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2022-08-18 8:32:27 PM  
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2022-08-18 9:08:00 PM  
get fuct, trump
 
2022-08-18 9:13:32 PM  
Um... Do the "Matter doesn't originate from pending matter" questions indicate there are open investigations dating back at least 8 years?
 
2022-08-18 9:17:57 PM  
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2022-08-18 9:22:54 PM  
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2022-08-18 9:38:00 PM  
Direct link: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/64872441/57/united-states-v-sealed-search-warrant/

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but we already celebrated over these things.

The DoJ proposed unsealing these documents in a filing from the 15th.
To recap, when they filed to obtain the search warrants, they had to ask the judge to keep the fact that they were filing for search warrants secret or "under seal". And the way these things work, they also had to request that the request to keep the warrant under seal be kept under seal, and the judge's order to accept their requests to keep the first 2 under seal was kept under seal. Otherwise, TFG's lawyers would have been alerted that the DoJ was about to exercise a warrant. As it is, they did know that some things were filed under seal.

Anyway, once the warrant itself was unsealed, the application to keep the warrant sealed, and the administrative documents about filings a warrant, and the ruling to keep things secret --- these become no big deal. There's no longer a point in keeping these secret. Thus the DoJ argued, unseal them. And the judge agreed. This is routine stuff.

The big contrast is to unsealing the affidavit behind the search warrant that supplies the probable cause for the warrant --- the evidence they have. As  part of establishing the legitimacy of that evidence, they supply some information about how the evidence was acquired. This source witnessed this. This other source witnessed that. We acquired these txt messages which included these details. And on. We don't want to release all of these details until the full case is built. If/when TFG and his allies are charged, they will get these details as part of discovery. But those details don't have to be shared before charges are made. That's how it works.
 
2022-08-18 10:28:08 PM  
Right now Trump wants nothing more in the world than to know who ratted him out.
And when he finds out it will be absolutely glorious.
 
2022-08-18 10:37:46 PM  
Signed on what's app?
 
2022-08-18 10:45:56 PM  

RolandTGunner: Right now Trump wants nothing more in the world than to know who ratted him out.
And when he finds out it will be absolutely glorious.


I really hope it's jared or one of his kids.
 
2022-08-18 11:27:22 PM  
For reference:

18 USC 793:
(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document... or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation... willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or


(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document... note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer-

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

18 USC 2071:
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record... willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

The "be disqualified" thing is probably unconstitutional when it comes to the Presidency, but that's where that bit comes in.

18 USC 1519:
Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

None of that has anything to do with classification status. And since he was already apprised by the Archives what they wanted back, and he didn't give all of it back, it's not like he can pretend he didn't know those documents were covered by these statutes. The only argument is that Trump was still the most appropriate officer of the US government entitled to receive it, and that it was being kept in its proper place of custody.

And in order to do THAT, he's probably going to argue that he is actually still President, because he won in 2020.

I was a self-admitted Eeyore, but it's pretty hard to imagine Garland not bringing charges, or accepting some sort of deal in lieu of charges, given how blatant a violation this is, and how momentous a step raiding the office of a former President was.
 
2022-08-18 11:56:13 PM  
Arrest him
Charge him
Try him
Convict him
Sentence him.
And give him a live roast
 
2022-08-19 12:25:16 AM  

vudukungfu: And give him a live roast


Obama headlines
 
2022-08-19 1:12:41 AM  
In the Mueller report, the FBI wouldn't go over Trump for his blatant obstruction because he was busy Presidenting. At least, theoretically, he was supposed to be, whenever he wasn't golfing.

There should be no quibbles now about charging Trump with obstruction.
 
2022-08-19 1:12:59 AM  
I'm confused, how many private email servers is this worth?
 
2022-08-19 1:13:10 AM  
As one of the biggest, most ANGH people on this site... this threatens to warm my cold, dead heart.

/F*ck you, Dolt45
 
2022-08-19 1:14:02 AM  
If they don't meet the legal requirements for proving that he's guilty of obstruction of justice in this case (or others, for that matter) then we might as well admit that the concept has lost all legal relevance. There are so many textbook examples of obstruction of justice related to TFG that you'd think he got a degree in it or something.
 
2022-08-19 1:14:55 AM  
Didn't we already know all of this?
 
2022-08-19 1:16:57 AM  
Trump AND HIS CRONIES better swing for this.
 
2022-08-19 1:18:04 AM  
But it's not quite Friday where I am.  This shouldn't have dropped yet.
 
2022-08-19 1:18:31 AM  
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2022-08-19 1:24:38 AM  
Trump: I ran out of gas! I got a flat tire! I didn't have change for cab fare! I lost my tux at the cleaners! I locked my keys in the car! An old friend came in from out of town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!
 
2022-08-19 1:24:59 AM  
The Moody Blues - Ride My See-Saw
Youtube Iss9xKyqAeA
 
2022-08-19 1:25:31 AM  
I've upgrade from an Eyeore to a Piglet.
 
2022-08-19 1:27:06 AM  
Reading this before I go to bed.

Looks like I'm going to have to sleep on my back tonight
 
2022-08-19 1:27:20 AM  
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Now that's what I call a well placed ad.
 
2022-08-19 1:28:38 AM  

educated: vudukungfu: And give him a live roast

Obama headlines


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2022-08-19 1:31:47 AM  

wademh: The DoJ proposed unsealing these documents in a filing from the 15th.
To recap, when they filed to obtain the search warrants, they had to ask the judge to keep the fact that they were filing for search warrants secret or "under seal". And the way these things work, they also had to request that the request to keep the warrant under seal be kept under seal, and the judge's order to accept their requests to keep the first 2 under seal was kept under seal. Otherwise, TFG's lawyers would have been alerted that the DoJ was about to exercise a warrant. As it is, they did know that some things were filed under seal.


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2022-08-19 1:33:26 AM  
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2022-08-19 1:34:40 AM  
Ibid
 
2022-08-19 1:37:42 AM  

Bootleg: Um... Do the "Matter doesn't originate from pending matter" questions indicate there are open investigations dating back at least 8 years?


Wouldn't surprise me. They're worded like the DOJ is confirming that any Statute of Limitations on already pending matters don't apply here.

Law Talkin' Farkers, do the names of the Magistrates next to those questions indicate if the Magistrates asked directly or if those are the Magistrates overseeing ongoing TFG cases?
 
2022-08-19 1:37:53 AM  

educated: vudukungfu: And give him a live roast

Obama headlines


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2022-08-19 1:40:48 AM  

wademh: Direct link: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/64872441/57/united-states-v-sealed-search-warrant/

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but we already celebrated over these things.

The DoJ proposed unsealing these documents in a filing from the 15th.
To recap, when they filed to obtain the search warrants, they had to ask the judge to keep the fact that they were filing for search warrants secret or "under seal". And the way these things work, they also had to request that the request to keep the warrant under seal be kept under seal, and the judge's order to accept their requests to keep the first 2 under seal was kept under seal. Otherwise, TFG's lawyers would have been alerted that the DoJ was about to exercise a warrant. As it is, they did know that some things were filed under seal.

Anyway, once the warrant itself was unsealed, the application to keep the warrant sealed, and the administrative documents about filings a warrant, and the ruling to keep things secret --- these become no big deal. There's no longer a point in keeping these secret. Thus the DoJ argued, unseal them. And the judge agreed. This is routine stuff.

The big contrast is to unsealing the affidavit behind the search warrant that supplies the probable cause for the warrant --- the evidence they have. As  part of establishing the legitimacy of that evidence, they supply some information about how the evidence was acquired. This source witnessed this. This other source witnessed that. We acquired these txt messages which included these details. And on. We don't want to release all of these details until the full case is built. If/when TFG and his allies are charged, they will get these details as part of discovery. But those details don't have to be shared before charges are made. That's how it works.


Thank you. I've been screaming "the affidavit is farking irrelevant coontil charges are filed) so stop letting Trump set the narrative with his 'unseal it' bullshiat" for days, but it's all some people want to talk about.

"Who told people I robbed that bank?! That's the REAL crime!"
MSM: "Both sides raise a good point!"
 
2022-08-19 1:41:29 AM  
Damn, filterboobied, after all this time
 
2022-08-19 2:00:26 AM  
Didn't we already know this?
 
2022-08-19 2:00:59 AM  
Wilful retention


The best summer of my life
 
2022-08-19 2:01:44 AM  
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//Quick and dirty
 
2022-08-19 2:02:46 AM  

Rhymes With Silver: I'm confused, how many private email servers is this worth?


Depends on whether or not the email servers are acid washed.
 
2022-08-19 2:05:18 AM  

mistahtom: Trump AND HIS CRONIES better swing for this.


Once the FBI finishes finding out who was responsible for stealing the TS-SCI information, there are going to be a lot of dumbasses facing... very long involuntary hotel stays in very unpleasant hotels... for their involvement in the theft.

They will reveal who orchestrated the theft (as others have said: the likely traitor here is Kushner).

That person will then be allowed to offer the Traitor as the person who ordered it in lieu of being forced to sit down in ole sparky for theft of state secrets.

Or, Dump's fingerprints are all over certain documents (probably the lists of agents/assets and the ts-sci nuclear info, as these would be the chips he hoped to sell to Putin, or MBS, to settle his debts), and that's game over with or without anyone else.

Or... It would be in a world where there is literally any sort of rule of law. Anyone else would get the chair, of course. If Dump is even sentenced to house arrest, monitoring and a gag order it will be a miracle.
 
2022-08-19 2:09:54 AM  
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2022-08-19 2:09:55 AM  

erik-k: mistahtom: Trump AND HIS CRONIES better swing for this.

Once the FBI finishes finding out who was responsible for stealing the TS-SCI information, there are going to be a lot of dumbasses facing... very long involuntary hotel stays in very unpleasant hotels... for their involvement in the theft.

They will reveal who orchestrated the theft (as others have said: the likely traitor here is Kushner).

That person will then be allowed to offer the Traitor as the person who ordered it in lieu of being forced to sit down in ole sparky for theft of state secrets.

Or, Dump's fingerprints are all over certain documents (probably the lists of agents/assets and the ts-sci nuclear info, as these would be the chips he hoped to sell to Putin, or MBS, to settle his debts), and that's game over with or without anyone else.

Or... It would be in a world where there is literally any sort of rule of law. Anyone else would get the chair, of course. If Dump is even sentenced to house arrest, monitoring and a gag order it will be a miracle.


I wonder if he took the documents before noon on Jan 20th 2021 and right after taking them he issued himself a pardon 😱

That's the GOP's ace in the hole to start civil war 2.0
 
2022-08-19 2:09:59 AM  
Perhaps one of trump's christian worshipers can tell us all how trump is the second coming of jeebus and soon jfk will rise from the grave and take his place next to their fat, orange god.

They never do because all of them are being paid by the kgb to post absolute bullshiat, I wonder if they will be getting new marching order from their soviet/christian madrasas this week.

Perhaps a christian trump filth can tell us all why their vile religion considers a raping, lying, idiot, treasonous, amoral sack of shiat like trump to be their new god.

I've never been answered by a christian, because they are too weak, inferior and stupid to actually support any position they profess to hold. Their entire religion is trump and everything that is trump.

I'm not trying to support a flame war, I am merely attempting to get the vile filth that lie about their "faith" to actually attempt to rise above the fact that they all rape babies. christians are less than scientologists because, at least, the later attempt to support their intense stupidity.
 
2022-08-19 2:12:42 AM  

A_Flying_Toaster: As one of the biggest, most ANGH people on this site... this threatens to warm my cold, dead heart.

/F*ck you, Dolt45


If it helps, I didn't farkie you as an ANGH because you seemed more genuine.
 
2022-08-19 2:13:49 AM  

pxlboy: RolandTGunner: Right now Trump wants nothing more in the world than to know who ratted him out.
And when he finds out it will be absolutely glorious.

I really hope it's jared or one of his kids.


Maybe they'll all pull an "I am Sparticus" moment, have an intervention and tell him about A Place for Mom.
 
2022-08-19 2:16:23 AM  

erik-k: mistahtom: Trump AND HIS CRONIES better swing for this.

Once the FBI finishes finding out who was responsible for stealing the TS-SCI information, there are going to be a lot of dumbasses facing... very long involuntary hotel stays in very unpleasant hotels... for their involvement in the theft.

They will reveal who orchestrated the theft (as others have said: the likely traitor here is Kushner).

That person will then be allowed to offer the Traitor as the person who ordered it in lieu of being forced to sit down in ole sparky for theft of state secrets.

Or, Dump's fingerprints are all over certain documents (probably the lists of agents/assets and the ts-sci nuclear info, as these would be the chips he hoped to sell to Putin, or MBS, to settle his debts), and that's game over with or without anyone else.

Or... It would be in a world where there is literally any sort of rule of law. Anyone else would get the chair, of course. If Dump is even sentenced to house arrest, monitoring and a gag order it will be a miracle.


I would love if they knew who the papers were leaked to, who leaked them, etc, because they everything given to Trump et al. were canary traps.

They knew documents were being mishandled, so why not tag them to trace where they end up?
 
2022-08-19 2:26:03 AM  

Discordulator: A_Flying_Toaster: As one of the biggest, most ANGH people on this site... this threatens to warm my cold, dead heart.

/F*ck you, Dolt45

If it helps, I didn't farkie you as an ANGH because you seemed more genuine.


Thanks I guess? 🤣

I figured the GQP had gotten to enough levers of power to succeed, or at least avoid any serious consequence. And for a long while that was true.

Now, things are looking better (but still not great). I'm cautiously optimistic. Still a "wake me when he's in cuffs" kind of guy, but I can at least admit I'm liking these kinds of headlines and stories.

I guess what I'm saying is, "MORE!".
 
2022-08-19 2:45:52 AM  

nmrsnr: For reference:

18 USC 793:
(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document... or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation... willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or


(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document... note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer-

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

18 USC 2071:
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record... willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

The "be disqualified" thing is probably unconstitutional when it comes to the Presidency, but that's where that bit comes in.

18 USC 1519:
Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

None of that has anything to do with classification status. And since he was already apprised by the Archives what they wanted back, and he didn't give all of it back, it's not like he can pretend he didn't know those documents were covered by these statutes. The only argument is that Trump was still the most appropriate officer of the US government entitled to receive it, and that it was being kept in its proper place of custody.

And in order to do THAT, he's probably going to argue that he is actually still President, because he won in 2020.

I was a self-admitted Eeyore, but it's pretty hard to imagine Garland not bringing charges, or accepting some sort of deal in lieu of charges, given how blatant a violation this is, and how momentous a step raiding the office of a former President was.


The way all these checks are marked and that glorious red stamp from the clerk placed, this document is pristine roadmap to indictments.

A girl can hope.

It's glorious.
 
2022-08-19 2:49:18 AM  

nmrsnr: For reference:

18 USC 793:
(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document... or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation... willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or


(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document... note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer-

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

18 USC 2071:
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record... willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

The "be disqualified" thing is probably unconstitutional when it comes to the Presidency, but that's where that bit comes in.

18 USC 1519:
Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

None of that has anything to do with classification status. And since he was already apprised by the Archives what they wanted back, and he didn't give all of it back, it's not like he can pretend he didn't know those documents were covered by these statutes. The only argument is that Trump was still the most appropriate officer of the US government entitled to receive it, and that it was being kept in its proper place of custody.

And in order to do THAT, he's probably going to argue that he is actually still President, because he won in 2020.

I was a self-admitted Eeyore, but it's pretty hard to imagine Garland not bringing charges, or accepting some sort of deal in lieu of charges, given how blatant a violation this is, and how momentous a step raiding the office of a former President was.


So in the end, he could just get fined with no jail time. And his supporters will pay that fine because they just shovel money at him anyway like idiots.
 
2022-08-19 2:50:58 AM  

RolandTGunner: Right now Trump wants nothing more in the world than to know who ratted him out.
And when he finds out it will be absolutely glorious.


I've been saving champagne for watching his funeral, but maybe it's worth opening a little early for that.
 
2022-08-19 2:52:10 AM  

erik-k: mistahtom: Trump AND HIS CRONIES better swing for this.

Once the FBI finishes finding out who was responsible for stealing the TS-SCI information, there are going to be a lot of dumbasses facing... very long involuntary hotel stays in very unpleasant hotels... for their involvement in the theft.

They will reveal who orchestrated the theft (as others have said: the likely traitor here is Kushner).

That person will then be allowed to offer the Traitor as the person who ordered it in lieu of being forced to sit down in ole sparky for theft of state secrets.

Or, Dump's fingerprints are all over certain documents (probably the lists of agents/assets and the ts-sci nuclear info, as these would be the chips he hoped to sell to Putin, or MBS, to settle his debts), and that's game over with or without anyone else.

Or... It would be in a world where there is literally any sort of rule of law. Anyone else would get the chair, of course. If Dump is even sentenced to house arrest, monitoring and a gag order it will be a miracle.


GOP will still spin it that selling national defense secrets is good as the extreme left is bad.
 
2022-08-19 3:27:55 AM  
Trump can go down and the Eyores can still be right. Every so often the elites cough up one of their own to satiate the masses.

That doesn't change the fact that having a phalanx of lawyers and deep pockets still buys you more justice than the next schlub.
 
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