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2022-08-18 3:58:59 PM  
Original Tweet:

 
2022-08-18 6:13:05 PM  
Thanks Obama!
 
2022-08-18 6:29:24 PM  
Has it ever been possible to afford a one-bedroom apartment on minimum wage?  More than twenty years ago, it wasn't even possible to afford a studio on minimum around here.  Had to shack up with roommates until I was pulling down at least double minimum.  In one case, there were five of us in a 2br 1ba.  That was back in the '90s.

Not saying you shouldn't be able to afford solo housing on minimum, just that I've never been aware of it being possible.
 
2022-08-18 6:38:49 PM  
I'm not saying this isn't a problem. It is. But comparing the average x to the minimum y is a sign of bad math skills.
 
2022-08-18 6:45:08 PM  
Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.

If your idea of career planning is unskilled work, you WILL fail.
 
2022-08-18 6:49:14 PM  

zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.

If your idea of career planning is unskilled work, you WILL fail.


These, and other lies, are handy ways to rationalize and avoid recognizing real problems created by exploitation of workers for the benefit of the wealthy in our economic system
 
2022-08-18 6:53:29 PM  

zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.

If your idea of career planning is unskilled work, you WILL fail.


Ok, we have the argument from the dumbass side (thank you for that BTW, we can always count on you). In the interest of fair time, let's check in with the guy who first signed the law:
"In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By business I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."
 
2022-08-18 7:00:22 PM  
In the 1950s average house size was 1200sqft, and had roughly 5 people living in it.

Part of the reason life is more expensive is people consume more.

Shocking.
 
2022-08-18 7:00:33 PM  
I don't think the super wealthy have thought through their clever plan to squeeze the middle class into oblivion.

Homeless people? Bad. Housing too expensive for most people? Good. Me pay taxes? Bad. People living paycheck to paycheck paying taxes? Best.

Unchecked American capitalism will not survive.
 
2022-08-18 7:06:03 PM  

Kuroshin: Has it ever been possible to afford a one-bedroom apartment on minimum wage?  More than twenty years ago, it wasn't even possible to afford a studio on minimum around here.  Had to shack up with roommates until I was pulling down at least double minimum.  In one case, there were five of us in a 2br 1ba.  That was back in the '90s.

Not saying you shouldn't be able to afford solo housing on minimum, just that I've never been aware of it being possible.


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Minimum wage was $0.75 in 1950. You'd have to work 56 hours a month to pay your rent.
 
2022-08-18 7:09:16 PM  

Kuroshin: Has it ever been possible to afford a one-bedroom apartment on minimum wage?  More than twenty years ago, it wasn't even possible to afford a studio on minimum around here.  Had to shack up with roommates until I was pulling down at least double minimum.  In one case, there were five of us in a 2br 1ba.  That was back in the '90s.

Not saying you shouldn't be able to afford solo housing on minimum, just that I've never been aware of it being possible.


Not for a couple years even in low-CoL hell, but it has been at least barely doable for decades in that spot. Considering the amount of people who land in retail and adjacent as they age out of their old job but can't make ends meet on SSI, I think we lost something pretty important there. Two somethings, actually.

/The part often unsaid about living in a low-CoL area is the cost of workers.
 
2022-08-18 7:16:15 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Kuroshin: Has it ever been possible to afford a one-bedroom apartment on minimum wage?  More than twenty years ago, it wasn't even possible to afford a studio on minimum around here.  Had to shack up with roommates until I was pulling down at least double minimum.  In one case, there were five of us in a 2br 1ba.  That was back in the '90s.

Not saying you shouldn't be able to afford solo housing on minimum, just that I've never been aware of it being possible.

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Minimum wage was $0.75 in 1950. You'd have to work 56 hours a month to pay your rent.


Sorry, I can't let the bad math slide even if your point is right. The number of hours in the image in the tweet corresponds to a much greater number, presumably 3x the cost of rent (which isn't given) because that is the income required to be approved, or the assumed income needed to afford it. It isn't the cost of rent. So in 1950, it would be right around 40ish hours a week if we're comparing apples to apples.

/Of course, we're now comparing median in 1950 California to average in 2022 Texas, which is still not apples to apples.
 
2022-08-18 7:23:31 PM  

pacified: In the 1950s average house size was 1200sqft, and had roughly 5 people living in it.

Part of the reason life is more expensive is people consume more.

Shocking.


Or? Or? Housing costs have skyrocketed and our wages have stagnated.

/how many of those 5 were contributing to the mortgage?
 
2022-08-18 7:24:34 PM  

Unscratchable_Itch: I don't think the super wealthy have thought through their clever plan to squeeze the middle class into oblivion.

Homeless people? Bad. Housing too expensive for most people? Good. Me pay taxes? Bad. People living paycheck to paycheck paying taxes? Best.

Unchecked American capitalism will not survive.


They want to squeeze everyone out of real state except themselves. They don't want regular people to own anything. Literally. They want to own everything, and make us pay them to use everything on a temporary basis. They want us to rent the entire world from them.
 
2022-08-18 7:26:28 PM  

Chemlight Battery: Sorry, I can't let the bad math slide


104hr * $7.25/hr = 754
40 * $18.79/hr = 751

You were saying?
 
2022-08-18 7:27:53 PM  
A lot of disingenuous arguments in this thread.
 
2022-08-18 7:27:59 PM  

Stibium: Chemlight Battery: Sorry, I can't let the bad math slide

104hr * $7.25/hr = 754
40 * $18.79/hr = 751

You were saying?


Well, I clearly wasn't saying whatever you think I was saying. What are you on about?
 
2022-08-18 7:36:35 PM  
Really? Nobody?

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/y'all slipping
 
2022-08-18 7:37:19 PM  

zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage.


Why do people like you persist with this crap time after time?

Do you really think back in the day FDR and the Lege said, "Hey, let's come up with a wage, call it a minimum wage, and in no way will this wage permit a person to actually live"?

In the muck of your brain, do you really believe this?
 
2022-08-18 7:37:26 PM  
'Murica.
 
2022-08-18 7:48:43 PM  

king of vegas: A lot of disingenuous arguments in this thread.


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2022-08-18 8:12:30 PM  

Chemlight Battery: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Kuroshin: Has it ever been possible to afford a one-bedroom apartment on minimum wage?  More than twenty years ago, it wasn't even possible to afford a studio on minimum around here.  Had to shack up with roommates until I was pulling down at least double minimum.  In one case, there were five of us in a 2br 1ba.  That was back in the '90s.

Not saying you shouldn't be able to afford solo housing on minimum, just that I've never been aware of it being possible.

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Minimum wage was $0.75 in 1950. You'd have to work 56 hours a month to pay your rent.

Sorry, I can't let the bad math slide even if your point is right. The number of hours in the image in the tweet corresponds to a much greater number, presumably 3x the cost of rent (which isn't given) because that is the income required to be approved, or the assumed income needed to afford it. It isn't the cost of rent. So in 1950, it would be right around 40ish hours a week if we're comparing apples to apples.

/Of course, we're now comparing median in 1950 California to average in 2022 Texas, which is still not apples to apples.


Back in 1950 they didn't income requirements. If you didn't pay the rent, out the door you went.
 
2022-08-18 8:15:42 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.

If your idea of career planning is unskilled work, you WILL fail.

Ok, we have the argument from the dumbass side (thank you for that BTW, we can always count on you). In the interest of fair time, let's check in with the guy who first signed the law:
"In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By business I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."


It's a great political quote. It says nothing of substance, but gets a lot of head nods and applause.

...and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

That *sounds* great. But it can mean whatever you want it to. Is a bare subsistence a straw hut with dirt floor and no indoor plumbing where you can afford enough rice not to die? Consider the living standards of the poorest billion people before answering.

And what is a 'decent living'? That can mean anything too. A house, two cars, four kids and a stay at home parent? Is that decent. Sure.

Anything can be decent.

Politicians are full of crap. You can't listen to their promises, but instead, look at their actions.

The federal minimum wage was introduced in 1938 at the rate of $0.25 per hour

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Adjusted for inflation, that's $5.25 today. So we can debate what the words mean all day long and both be convinced we are right...or we can look at the actual thing they did. They enacted a minimum wage that was considerably below the current minimum wage, when adjusted for inflation.

The minimum wage today is more generous/is higher than it was when originally enacted. And that's how we know what the wages of a decent living really meant to the people who passed the laws. And it's about $5.25 an hour in today's dollars.
 
2022-08-18 8:17:14 PM  

Kuroshin: Has it ever been possible to afford a one-bedroom apartment on minimum wage?  More than twenty years ago, it wasn't even possible to afford a studio on minimum around here.  Had to shack up with roommates until I was pulling down at least double minimum.  In one case, there were five of us in a 2br 1ba.  That was back in the '90s.

Not saying you shouldn't be able to afford solo housing on minimum, just that I've never been aware of it being possible.


1972 was about the last time it was possible.
 
2022-08-18 8:22:32 PM  

pacified: In the 1950s average house size was 1200sqft, and had roughly 5 people living in it.

Part of the reason life is more expensive is people consume more.

Shocking.


We had eight, but there was a basement.
 
2022-08-18 8:26:04 PM  
I just allow hookers to make up the difference.

Fark it!?!?🤷
 
2022-08-18 8:28:48 PM  

zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.

If your idea of career planning is unskilled work, you WILL fail.


You mean like being an EMT basic
"Yeah, it's min wage, but you work 60hours a week so lots of overtime"
 
2022-08-18 8:32:53 PM  

Chemlight Battery: Stibium: Chemlight Battery: Sorry, I can't let the bad math slide

104hr * $7.25/hr = 754
40 * $18.79/hr = 751

You were saying?

Well, I clearly wasn't saying whatever you think I was saying. What are you on about?


With time and a half, it's a little over 80hours

Not counting fica, withholding, SS, ect evt
 
2022-08-18 8:35:29 PM  

Chemlight Battery: Stibium: Chemlight Battery: Sorry, I can't let the bad math slide

104hr * $7.25/hr = 754
40 * $18.79/hr = 751

You were saying?

Well, I clearly wasn't saying whatever you think I was saying. What are you on about?


Allow me to grunt like an early hominid species: "104 is how many hours you would need to work a minimum wage job to afford an average-priced apartment. And $18.79 is how much you'd need to make in order to afford the same apartment while working a typical 40 hour work week."

It's all there in the pic. Like, you do realize that these factoids have to be dumbed down to the point the average nightly news viewer can understand, right? It really says a lot if you still can't figure out what it all means. In fact, at this point I'm not quite certain that you know what an average even is...

/on average, the average person will rent an average-priced apartment
//that's why it's called an average, and why it is used as a reference point
 
2022-08-18 8:40:20 PM  

pacified: In the 1950s average house size was 1200sqft, and had roughly 5 people living in it.

Part of the reason life is more expensive is people consume more.

Shocking.


Productivity has gone way up, wages should too. No need to blame the workers for wanting a dignified life with some damn privacy.
 
2022-08-18 8:46:19 PM  

zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.


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"In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By 'business' I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level -- I mean the wages of decent living." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933)
 
2022-08-18 8:47:55 PM  

Stibium: Chemlight Battery: Stibium: Chemlight Battery: Sorry, I can't let the bad math slide

104hr * $7.25/hr = 754
40 * $18.79/hr = 751

You were saying?

Well, I clearly wasn't saying whatever you think I was saying. What are you on about?

Allow me to grunt like an early hominid species: "104 is how many hours you would need to work a minimum wage job to afford an average-priced apartment. And $18.79 is how much you'd need to make in order to afford the same apartment while working a typical 40 hour work week."

It's all there in the pic. Like, you do realize that these factoids have to be dumbed down to the point the average nightly news viewer can understand, right? It really says a lot if you still can't figure out what it all means. In fact, at this point I'm not quite certain that you know what an average even is...

/on average, the average person will rent an average-priced apartment
//that's why it's called an average, and why it is used as a reference point


Did you even read my comment? I mean, you quoted from it. So surely you must have at least seen it. But somehow--and this is the part that truly, utterly baffles me--you're talking about something completely and wholly unrelated to anything I was talking about. You're not even close. You're having a completely different conversation.

I don't think what I said was that confusing. The farker I was responding to understood what I was talking about. He wrote me a nice reply which was entirely on-subject. So the problem has to be you.
 
2022-08-18 8:53:34 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Noticeably F.A.T.: zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.

If your idea of career planning is unskilled work, you WILL fail.

Ok, we have the argument from the dumbass side (thank you for that BTW, we can always count on you). In the interest of fair time, let's check in with the guy who first signed the law:
"In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By business I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."

It's a great political quote. It says nothing of substance, but gets a lot of head nods and applause.

...and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

That *sounds* great. But it can mean whatever you want it to. Is a bare subsistence a straw hut with dirt floor and no indoor plumbing where you can afford enough rice not to die? Consider the living standards of the poorest billion people before answering.

And what is a 'decent living'? That can mean anything too. A house, two cars, four kids and a stay at home parent? Is that decent. Sure.

Anything can be decent.

Politicians are full of crap. You can't listen to their promises, but instead, look at their actions.

The federal minimum wage was introduced in 1938 at the rate of $0.25 per hour

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Adjusted for inflation, that's $5.25 today. So we can debate what the words mean all day long and both be convinced we are right...or we can look at the actual thing they did. They enacted a minimum wage that was considerably below the curre ...


Nice try. CPI for what you needed to buy has nothing to do with today. But let's pretend that a quarter in 1938 somehow equates to $5.25 now. No.
 
2022-08-18 8:54:14 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Noticeably F.A.T.: zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.

If your idea of career planning is unskilled work, you WILL fail.

Ok, we have the argument from the dumbass side (thank you for that BTW, we can always count on you). In the interest of fair time, let's check in with the guy who first signed the law:
"In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By business I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."

It's a great political quote. It says nothing of substance, but gets a lot of head nods and applause.

...and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

That *sounds* great. But it can mean whatever you want it to. Is a bare subsistence a straw hut with dirt floor and no indoor plumbing where you can afford enough rice not to die? Consider the living standards of the poorest billion people before answering.

And what is a 'decent living'? That can mean anything too. A house, two cars, four kids and a stay at home parent? Is that decent. Sure.

Anything can be decent.

Politicians are full of crap. You can't listen to their promises, but instead, look at their actions.

The federal minimum wage was introduced in 1938 at the rate of $0.25 per hour

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Adjusted for inflation, that's $5.25 today. So we can debate what the words mean all day long and both be convinced we are right...or we can look at the actual thing they did. They enacted a minimum wage that was considerably below the curre ...


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"The point is, being distracted from your poverty is the new form of wealth. And, by that standard, America's middle class are the richest people in history. [...] So, quit complaining. Okay? You are rich with TV. Remember, Marie Antoinette may have lived in a palace, but she never got to watch The Learning Channel."

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/z9zxq1/the-word---channel-serfing
 
2022-08-18 9:12:34 PM  

majestic: Fark_Guy_Rob: Noticeably F.A.T.: zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.

If your idea of career planning is unskilled work, you WILL fail.

Ok, we have the argument from the dumbass side (thank you for that BTW, we can always count on you). In the interest of fair time, let's check in with the guy who first signed the law:
"In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By business I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."

It's a great political quote. It says nothing of substance, but gets a lot of head nods and applause.

...and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

That *sounds* great. But it can mean whatever you want it to. Is a bare subsistence a straw hut with dirt floor and no indoor plumbing where you can afford enough rice not to die? Consider the living standards of the poorest billion people before answering.

And what is a 'decent living'? That can mean anything too. A house, two cars, four kids and a stay at home parent? Is that decent. Sure.

Anything can be decent.

Politicians are full of crap. You can't listen to their promises, but instead, look at their actions.

The federal minimum wage was introduced in 1938 at the rate of $0.25 per hour

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Adjusted for inflation, that's $5.25 today. So we can debate what the words mean all day long and both be convinced we are right...or we can look at the actual thing they did. They enacted a minimum wage that was considerably below the curre ...

Nice try. CPI for what you needed to buy has nothing to do with today. But let's pretend that a quarter in 1938 somehow equates to $5.25 now. No.


Okay. Sure. Provide whatever alternative measure you want.
 
2022-08-18 9:28:02 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Fark_Guy_Rob: Noticeably F.A.T.: zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.

If your idea of career planning is unskilled work, you WILL fail.

Ok, we have the argument from the dumbass side (thank you for that BTW, we can always count on you). In the interest of fair time, let's check in with the guy who first signed the law:
"In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By business I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."

It's a great political quote. It says nothing of substance, but gets a lot of head nods and applause.

...and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

That *sounds* great. But it can mean whatever you want it to. Is a bare subsistence a straw hut with dirt floor and no indoor plumbing where you can afford enough rice not to die? Consider the living standards of the poorest billion people before answering.

And what is a 'decent living'? That can mean anything too. A house, two cars, four kids and a stay at home parent? Is that decent. Sure.

Anything can be decent.

Politicians are full of crap. You can't listen to their promises, but instead, look at their actions.

The federal minimum wage was introduced in 1938 at the rate of $0.25 per hour

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Adjusted for inflation, that's $5.25 today. So we can debate what the words mean all day long and both be convinced we are right...or we can look at the actual thing they did. They enacted a minimum wage that was considerably below the curre ...

[Fark user image image 850x478]

"The point is, being distracted from your poverty is the new form of wealth. And, by that standard, America's middle class are the richest people in history. [...] So, quit complaining. Okay? You are rich with TV. Remember, Marie Antoinette may have lived in a palace, but she never got to watch The Learning Channel."

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/z9zxq1/the-word---channel-serfing


Again.... Lots of words that are poorly defined don't improve the conversation. Yes, of course, we have more technology. That irrelevant to the original claim about the intent of minimum wage.

We know exactly how much the minimum wage was and we know exactly when it was enacted. The only thing preventing everyone from perfectly understanding what standard of living the original minimum wage gave people is historical ignorance and a lack of specific geographic location. Then, like now, the same minimum wage didn't provide the same standard of living everywhere.

I've provided an actual source with actual factual information that concludes a rough equivalent of $5.25 an hour.  If you want to provide a better, more meaningful source that directly speaks to the quality of life a minimum wage worker could expect, by all means.

But arguing over speeches is pointless. Clever quotes, tweets, video clips and some guys blog about how he believes some quote from almost a hundred years ago really means X and not Y are just a big circle jerk. Sure, it might be fun, but you aren't getting anywhere.
 
2022-08-18 9:36:20 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: majestic: Fark_Guy_Rob: Noticeably F.A.T.: zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.

If your idea of career planning is unskilled work, you WILL fail.

Ok, we have the argument from the dumbass side (thank you for that BTW, we can always count on you). In the interest of fair time, let's check in with the guy who first signed the law:
"In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By business I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."

It's a great political quote. It says nothing of substance, but gets a lot of head nods and applause.

...and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

That *sounds* great. But it can mean whatever you want it to. Is a bare subsistence a straw hut with dirt floor and no indoor plumbing where you can afford enough rice not to die? Consider the living standards of the poorest billion people before answering.

And what is a 'decent living'? That can mean anything too. A house, two cars, four kids and a stay at home parent? Is that decent. Sure.

Anything can be decent.

Politicians are full of crap. You can't listen to their promises, but instead, look at their actions.

The federal minimum wage was introduced in 1938 at the rate of $0.25 per hour

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Adjusted for inflation, that's $5.25 today. So we can debate what the words mean all day long and both be convinced we are right...or we can look at the actual thing they did. They enacted a minimum wage that was cons ...


Tell us what you could afford on minimum wage in, say, 1986, and what you can afford on minimum wage now.
 
2022-08-18 9:39:59 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Bith Set Me Up: Fark_Guy_Rob: Noticeably F.A.T.: zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.

If your idea of career planning is unskilled work, you WILL fail.

Ok, we have the argument from the dumbass side (thank you for that BTW, we can always count on you). In the interest of fair time, let's check in with the guy who first signed the law:
"In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By business I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."

It's a great political quote. It says nothing of substance, but gets a lot of head nods and applause.

...and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

That *sounds* great. But it can mean whatever you want it to. Is a bare subsistence a straw hut with dirt floor and no indoor plumbing where you can afford enough rice not to die? Consider the living standards of the poorest billion people before answering.

And what is a 'decent living'? That can mean anything too. A house, two cars, four kids and a stay at home parent? Is that decent. Sure.

Anything can be decent.

Politicians are full of crap. You can't listen to their promises, but instead, look at their actions.

The federal minimum wage was introduced in 1938 at the rate of $0.25 per hour

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Adjusted for inflation, that's $5.25 today. So we can debate what the words mean all day long and both be convinced we are right...or we can look at the actual thing they did. They enacted a minimum wage that wa ...


"The proposed solution wasn't 100% effective, so clearly the stated intent wasn't the actual intent" isn't the killer argument your weird little mind thinks it is.
 
2022-08-18 9:45:57 PM  

zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.

If your idea of career planning is unskilled work, you WILL fail.


There is literally no such thing as unskilled work.

Except perhaps your posting behavior on fark.
 
2022-08-18 11:10:14 PM  

natazha: pacified: In the 1950s average house size was 1200sqft, and had roughly 5 people living in it.

We had eight, but there was a basement.


Basement? You were lucky to have a basement!  We used to live in one room, all hundred and twenty-six of us, no furniture.  Half the floor was missing; we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of falling!
 
2022-08-18 11:44:53 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Kuroshin: Has it ever been possible to afford a one-bedroom apartment on minimum wage?  More than twenty years ago, it wasn't even possible to afford a studio on minimum around here.  Had to shack up with roommates until I was pulling down at least double minimum.  In one case, there were five of us in a 2br 1ba.  That was back in the '90s.

Not saying you shouldn't be able to afford solo housing on minimum, just that I've never been aware of it being possible.

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Minimum wage was $0.75 in 1950. You'd have to work 56 hours a month to pay your rent.


I'd ask WTF happened between 1980 and 1990, but I just reminded myself about St. Ronny Raygun.
 
2022-08-19 12:17:35 AM  

harleyquinnical: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Kuroshin: Has it ever been possible to afford a one-bedroom apartment on minimum wage?  More than twenty years ago, it wasn't even possible to afford a studio on minimum around here.  Had to shack up with roommates until I was pulling down at least double minimum.  In one case, there were five of us in a 2br 1ba.  That was back in the '90s.

Not saying you shouldn't be able to afford solo housing on minimum, just that I've never been aware of it being possible.

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Minimum wage was $0.75 in 1950. You'd have to work 56 hours a month to pay your rent.

I'd ask WTF happened between 1980 and 1990, but I just reminded myself about St. Ronny Raygun.


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2022-08-19 2:18:41 AM  

pacified: more expensive is people consume more.

Shocking.


B.s.
If that's the case why was drugs the same price for the 15+ years i used them?
🙄

Also. Gasoline isn't 10 an gallon.  Never mind you farks would pay it.
 
2022-08-19 2:21:08 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: I don't think the super wealthy have thought through their clever plan to squeeze the middle class into oblivion.

Homeless people? Bad. Housing too expensive for most people? Good. Me pay taxes? Bad. People living paycheck to paycheck paying taxes? Best.

Unchecked American capitalism will not survive.


It will, as long as dummies think they can become part of it.
 
2022-08-19 2:23:52 AM  

guinsu: Productivity has gone way up, wages should too. No need to blame the workers for wanting a dignified life with some damn privacy.


That's for rich people.  And if you live on Ramen you can one day become one. Duh.
 
2022-08-19 7:40:04 AM  

zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.


Indeed. Who can forget when Roosevelt said, "This country must have a minimum wage, that, far from being self-sufficient, is merely meant to trivially compensate entry level and part time work."

Oh, wait. That's not what he said at all. "no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By 'business' I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living." (Statement on the National Industrial Recovery Act,June 16, 1933)

Why do you always have to lie about everything? Is it not possible for you tell the truth? Have you ever made a demonstrably true statement on Fark, ever?
 
2022-08-19 8:03:29 AM  
the real story is that given the numbers in the graphic someone in Tx did the math correctly
 
2022-08-19 1:14:14 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Bith Set Me Up: Fark_Guy_Rob: Noticeably F.A.T.: zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.

If your idea of career planning is unskilled work, you WILL fail.

Ok, we have the argument from the dumbass side (thank you for that BTW, we can always count on you). In the interest of fair time, let's check in with the guy who first signed the law:
"In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By business I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."

It's a great political quote. It says nothing of substance, but gets a lot of head nods and applause.

...and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

That *sounds* great. But it can mean whatever you want it to. Is a bare subsistence a straw hut with dirt floor and no indoor plumbing where you can afford enough rice not to die? Consider the living standards of the poorest billion people before answering.

And what is a 'decent living'? That can mean anything too. A house, two cars, four kids and a stay at home parent? Is that decent. Sure.

Anything can be decent.

Politicians are full of crap. You can't listen to their promises, but instead, look at their actions.

The federal minimum wage was introduced in 1938 at the rate of $0.25 per hour

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Adjusted for inflation, that's $5.25 today. So we can debate what the words mean all day long and both be convinced we are right...or we can look at the actual thing they did. They enacted a minimum wage that was considerably below the curre ...

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"The point is, being distracted from your poverty is the new form of wealth. And, by that standard, America's middle class are the richest people in history. [...] So, quit complaining. Okay? You are rich with TV. Remember, Marie Antoinette may have lived in a palace, but she never got to watch The Learning Channel."

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/z9zxq1/the-word---channel-serfing

Again.... Lots of words that are poorly defined don't improve the conversation. Yes, of course, we have more technology. That irrelevant to the original claim about the intent of minimum wage.

We know exactly how much the minimum wage was and we know exactly when it was enacted. The only thing preventing everyone from perfectly understanding what standard of living the original minimum wage gave people is historical ignorance and a lack of specific geographic location. Then, like now, the same minimum wage didn't provide the same standard of living everywhere.

I've provided an actual source with actual factual information that concludes a rough equivalent of $5.25 an hour.  If you want to provide a better, more meaningful source that directly speaks to the quality of life a minimum wage worker could expect, by all means.

But arguing over speeches is pointless. Clever quotes, tweets, video clips and some guys blog about how he believes some quote from almost a hundred years ago really means X and not Y are just a big circle jerk. Sure, it might be fun, but you aren't getting anywhere.


Housing costs have gone up vastly faster than CPI. Even adjusted for inflation, since that 1938 number, new housing costs have gone up by five times and rent by more than three times.

The CPI is okay for considering average costs of all items purchased by an average family, but it's a poor indicator of the inflation of necessities like food, shelter, and health care.
 
2022-08-19 2:19:38 PM  

zgrizz: Minimum wages has NEVER been a self-sufficient wage. It's meant for entry level and part time work.

If your idea of career planning is unskilled work, you WILL fail.


And if you ever have to work for someone else......you will FAIL!!
 
2022-08-19 2:21:51 PM  

Unscratchable_Itch: I don't think the super wealthy have thought through their clever plan to squeeze the middle class into oblivion.

Homeless people? Bad. Housing too expensive for most people? Good. Me pay taxes? Bad. People living paycheck to paycheck paying taxes? Best.

Unchecked American capitalism will not survive.


Its already swirling the toilet drain.
 
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