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(The Autopian)   Flo from Progressive: your Hyundai or Kia is uninsurable thanks to being so easy to steal   (theautopian.com) divider line
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1268 clicks; posted to Business » on 17 Aug 2022 at 11:20 PM (5 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-08-17 11:02:06 PM  
I'd say it's a perfect time to resurrect the Bait Car series, but the police are a little busy forming pools of urine beneath themselves at the moment so it might be a while.
 
2022-08-17 11:35:03 PM  
Just get one of the bullies from the Simpsons to watch over it:

Superintendent Chalmers-Honda Accord
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2022-08-17 11:56:30 PM  
What? Hyundai cutting corners to save some pennies on decent locks or an immobilizer?

Say it ain't so!

Just keep this in mind when shopping for EVs. There may just be a reason almost every company uses <500v architecture and Hyundai uses 800v. Only time will tell, but this strikes me as another cost cutting measure that will be the butt of a bunch of jokes in 5 years.
 
2022-08-18 12:09:57 AM  
Killed In Action?
 
2022-08-18 12:14:04 AM  
My wife works at a veteran's hospital. The police there recently began giving out Clubs to Hyundai owners because of theft.
 
2022-08-18 12:14:16 AM  
Best option for a lot of owners is probably to get a kill switch wired to the starter relay. Sure, it's annoying to hide it and have to flip the switch every time you want to start the vehicle, but it's a cheap anti-theft measure.

This is a more professional solution if there is a supplier in your area: https://www.ravelco.com
 
2022-08-18 12:16:26 AM  
Clubs are shiat. I has two on my car and they cut the steering wheel one and used a bolt cutter on the pedal one. farking bullshiat is all they are.
 
2022-08-18 12:20:35 AM  
Another option would be to fit your car with a quick-release steering wheel like race cars have. This would have to be done at a shade tree mechanic, though, because removing the factory steering wheel with the airbag is something a reputable shop cannot and will not do.
 
2022-08-18 12:29:06 AM  

dirkfunk: What? Hyundai cutting corners to save some pennies on decent locks or an immobilizer?

Say it ain't so!

Just keep this in mind when shopping for EVs. There may just be a reason almost every company uses <500v architecture and Hyundai uses 800v. Only time will tell, but this strikes me as another cost cutting measure that will be the butt of a bunch of jokes in 5 years.


I don't understand how the voltage effects security. Google just says it is charging speed.
 
2022-08-18 12:37:38 AM  

mrmopar5287: Another option would be to fit your car with a quick-release steering wheel like race cars have. This would have to be done at a shade tree mechanic, though, because removing the factory steering wheel with the airbag is something a reputable shop cannot and will not do.


And the vehicle will immediately fail any safety inspection if one lives in a county/state where those are mandatory for registration.
 
2022-08-18 12:39:21 AM  

koder: I'd say it's a perfect time to resurrect the Bait Car series, but the police are a little busy forming pools of urine beneath themselves at the moment so it might be a while.


Pffft. Cops don't need bait cars now. They just roll in to neighborhoods and shoot anyone who looks like they might be, or perhaps will be, a car thief while shouting "They're coming right at me".

Naturally, the body cam footage will be either "accidentally" deleted or somehow magically unrecoverable and the cops will go on in their piss soaked underoos under the banner of "qualified immunity".
 
2022-08-18 1:30:51 AM  
Flo and Peg have that same kind of weird attractiveness.

<sorta want.jpg>

(Although I don't think Flo wants to stick things on my ass, who knows)
 
2022-08-18 2:38:39 AM  
Auto manufacturers are just pummeling customers.

For certain companies that want to disrupt markets, this must be quite a welcome circumstance.
 
2022-08-18 4:53:59 AM  
FTFA - What's Making These Cars So Attractive To Thieves?

Answer is in your own headline , do you even read Bro?
 
2022-08-18 6:38:58 AM  
Look up the Kia Boys if you want to see why. It's a mess with the number of stolen cars in certain cities.
 
2022-08-18 7:32:04 AM  

mrmopar5287: Another option would be to fit your car with a quick-release steering wheel like race cars have. This would have to be done at a shade tree mechanic, though, because removing the factory steering wheel with the airbag is something a reputable shop cannot and will not do.


You can't do that due to the airbag.  Any decommissioning of the airbag system requires waiting several minutes before disconnecting as it holds a short backup power supply so it can operate even if power is cut in an accident.
 
2022-08-18 8:15:13 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: dirkfunk: What? Hyundai cutting corners to save some pennies on decent locks or an immobilizer?

Say it ain't so!

Just keep this in mind when shopping for EVs. There may just be a reason almost every company uses <500v architecture and Hyundai uses 800v. Only time will tell, but this strikes me as another cost cutting measure that will be the butt of a bunch of jokes in 5 years.

I don't understand how the voltage effects security. Google just says it is charging speed.


I'm not really talking security, just reliability. It is a cost cutting measure. It's saves on copper. And that is the only reason to use 800v because it's a farking terrifying safety risk. It almost certainly means more isolation failures of hv components and means the vehicle has a much higher risk of killing someone via electrocution than a comparable VW, Ford, Tesla, Rivian, Chevy, etc.
 
2022-08-18 9:10:38 AM  

TTFK: mrmopar5287: Another option would be to fit your car with a quick-release steering wheel like race cars have. This would have to be done at a shade tree mechanic, though, because removing the factory steering wheel with the airbag is something a reputable shop cannot and will not do.

You can't do that due to the airbag.  Any decommissioning of the airbag system requires waiting several minutes before disconnecting as it holds a short backup power supply so it can operate even if power is cut in an accident.


I meant permanently replace it with this:

Fark user imageView Full Size


No airbag because it's removed. Probably also lose easy stereo control (buttons gone) and also cruise control. My car has buttons to flip through dashboard info screens, so that would be lost as well.

For security you just take the wheel with you when you leave the car.
 
2022-08-18 9:26:25 AM  

dirkfunk: AppleOptionEsc: dirkfunk: What? Hyundai cutting corners to save some pennies on decent locks or an immobilizer?

Say it ain't so!

Just keep this in mind when shopping for EVs. There may just be a reason almost every company uses <500v architecture and Hyundai uses 800v. Only time will tell, but this strikes me as another cost cutting measure that will be the butt of a bunch of jokes in 5 years.

I don't understand how the voltage effects security. Google just says it is charging speed.

I'm not really talking security, just reliability. It is a cost cutting measure. It's saves on copper. And that is the only reason to use 800v because it's a farking terrifying safety risk. It almost certainly means more isolation failures of hv components and means the vehicle has a much higher risk of killing someone via electrocution than a comparable VW, Ford, Tesla, Rivian, Chevy, etc.


I'm sure Porsche is cutting costs too:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28903284/porsche-taycan-ev-800-volt-charging-performance/
 
2022-08-18 10:03:06 AM  

swiss8018: dirkfunk: AppleOptionEsc: dirkfunk: What? Hyundai cutting corners to save some pennies on decent locks or an immobilizer?

Say it ain't so!

Just keep this in mind when shopping for EVs. There may just be a reason almost every company uses <500v architecture and Hyundai uses 800v. Only time will tell, but this strikes me as another cost cutting measure that will be the butt of a bunch of jokes in 5 years.

I don't understand how the voltage effects security. Google just says it is charging speed.

I'm not really talking security, just reliability. It is a cost cutting measure. It's saves on copper. And that is the only reason to use 800v because it's a farking terrifying safety risk. It almost certainly means more isolation failures of hv components and means the vehicle has a much higher risk of killing someone via electrocution than a comparable VW, Ford, Tesla, Rivian, Chevy, etc.

I'm sure Porsche is cutting costs too:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28903284/porsche-taycan-ev-800-volt-charging-performance/


First of all, that platform was developed a long time ago and the newer VW/Audi EVs went back to lower voltage setups.

Second, don't you think Porsche might, just maybe put a little more effort was put into safety and electrical isolation?
 
2022-08-18 10:36:38 AM  

dirkfunk: swiss8018: dirkfunk: AppleOptionEsc: dirkfunk: What? Hyundai cutting corners to save some pennies on decent locks or an immobilizer?

Say it ain't so!

Just keep this in mind when shopping for EVs. There may just be a reason almost every company uses <500v architecture and Hyundai uses 800v. Only time will tell, but this strikes me as another cost cutting measure that will be the butt of a bunch of jokes in 5 years.

I don't understand how the voltage effects security. Google just says it is charging speed.

I'm not really talking security, just reliability. It is a cost cutting measure. It's saves on copper. And that is the only reason to use 800v because it's a farking terrifying safety risk. It almost certainly means more isolation failures of hv components and means the vehicle has a much higher risk of killing someone via electrocution than a comparable VW, Ford, Tesla, Rivian, Chevy, etc.

I'm sure Porsche is cutting costs too:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28903284/porsche-taycan-ev-800-volt-charging-performance/

First of all, that platform was developed a long time ago and the newer VW/Audi EVs went back to lower voltage setups.

Second, don't you think Porsche might, just maybe put a little more effort was put into safety and electrical isolation?


Time will tell. You know what happens when people "assume". At least Kia warranties their battery and drive train 10 years/100k miles.

Also, re safety, in my experience 400V will kill you just about as fast as 800V.
 
2022-08-18 11:53:01 AM  
I thought what made Hyundais and Kias so easy to steal is you just needed a usb dongle with some hack software installed on it and the car is completely free for the taking. Did Hyundai and Kia simply not patch this gaping security problem?
 
2022-08-18 2:46:20 PM  

mrmopar5287: TTFK: mrmopar5287: Another option would be to fit your car with a quick-release steering wheel like race cars have. This would have to be done at a shade tree mechanic, though, because removing the factory steering wheel with the airbag is something a reputable shop cannot and will not do.

You can't do that due to the airbag.  Any decommissioning of the airbag system requires waiting several minutes before disconnecting as it holds a short backup power supply so it can operate even if power is cut in an accident.

I meant permanently replace it with this:

[Fark user image 425x372]

No airbag because it's removed. Probably also lose easy stereo control (buttons gone) and also cruise control. My car has buttons to flip through dashboard info screens, so that would be lost as well.

For security you just take the wheel with you when you leave the car.


If you live in any State that has a safety inspection, it would not pass.

Even if it doesn't, you would be a farking idiot for removing such an important safety item.  You would also need the ability to reprogram the ECU to not detect that it is missing, something no shop with a shred a reputation will do for you.
 
2022-08-18 3:00:32 PM  
Time to bring these bad boys back:
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-08-18 3:04:58 PM  

TTFK: If you live in any State that has a safety inspection, it would not pass.


Maybe, but I don't and don't care one bit. If it's a matter of keeping my car from being stolen, I'd do it and you can blah blah all you want about "safety" but I'm going to do it anyway. I don't own one of these cars, but if I did and if I lived somewhere that it's an issue I'd spend the couple hundred to install the removable steering wheel as an "immobilizer" and deal with it.
 
2022-08-18 3:25:45 PM  

MBZ321: Time to bring these bad boys back:
[Fark user image image 525x262]


I bought one from the UK that is a giant yellow disc that fits over the steering wheel and locks it-I figure it is such a noticeable thing that hopefully it will serve as a good deterrent.

/farking Kia, y'all were supposed to be better than this!
 
2022-08-18 8:54:36 PM  

Snaptastic: MBZ321: Time to bring these bad boys back:
[Fark user image image 525x262]

I bought one from the UK that is a giant yellow disc that fits over the steering wheel and locks it-I figure it is such a noticeable thing that hopefully it will serve as a good deterrent.

/farking Kia, y'all were supposed to be better than this!


I bought one today for my wife's Hyundai. Eat my a$$ Hyundai
 
2022-08-19 2:32:24 AM  

mrmopar5287: TTFK: mrmopar5287: Another option would be to fit your car with a quick-release steering wheel like race cars have. This would have to be done at a shade tree mechanic, though, because removing the factory steering wheel with the airbag is something a reputable shop cannot and will not do.

You can't do that due to the airbag.  Any decommissioning of the airbag system requires waiting several minutes before disconnecting as it holds a short backup power supply so it can operate even if power is cut in an accident.

I meant permanently replace it with this:

[Fark user image 425x372]

No airbag because it's removed. Probably also lose easy stereo control (buttons gone) and also cruise control. My car has buttons to flip through dashboard info screens, so that would be lost as well.

For security you just take the wheel with you when you leave the car.


Fark user imageView Full Size


WITNESS ME!
 
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