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2022-08-17 8:24:12 AM  
Most of us are not inspired by our job, we do it for money.  Not the personal sense of accomplishment, stop paying me and I stop working.
 
2022-08-17 8:54:28 AM  
Our jobs are not our identity.
That farce is passing.
 
2022-08-17 8:54:38 AM  
They aren't oblivious, they just don't care.
 
2022-08-17 9:04:12 AM  
They are fully aware. Why do you think they worked so hard to destroy unions and pensions?

If you knew you were financially secure, you could rise up in the cafeteria and stab them with your plastic forks.
 
2022-08-17 9:05:05 AM  

educated: Our jobs are not our identity.
That farce is passing.


Most people don't have much in the way of identity and are incapable of generating one. Labor as basis for identity is older than civilization. Look at surnames.
 
2022-08-17 9:05:36 AM  
$17 an hour, in California, and they're touting this as a good thing?
 
2022-08-17 9:09:54 AM  
Peter Kills Interview with Bobs - Office Space (1999) Movie Clip HD
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2022-08-17 9:13:50 AM  
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/oblig.
 
2022-08-17 9:13:59 AM  

namegoeshere: $17 an hour, in California, and they're touting this as a good thing?


Doesn't Target pay 24 bucks an hour?
 
2022-08-17 9:21:05 AM  
If you aren't living your job, breathing your job, always on the clock, always thinking of ways to be better and help the company...well you're really just a silent quitting wage thief.
 
2022-08-17 9:22:27 AM  

Daer21: educated: Our jobs are not our identity.
That farce is passing.

Most people don't have much in the way of identity and are incapable of generating one. Labor as basis for identity is older than civilization. Look at surnames.


World's changed an awful lot since those days.
 
2022-08-17 9:25:15 AM  
"Dweeb, you are a parent's wet dream. What would you be doing if you weren't out making yourself a better citizen?" -John Bender
 
2022-08-17 9:26:39 AM  

Daer21: Most people don't have much in the way of identity and are incapable of generating one. Labor as basis for identity is older than civilization. Look at surnames.


Hrmpf.  HRMPF! I say.
Wait, I am a Lockhart, and we were named that because we carried Robert the Bruce's heart (and head) in a box on a Crusade...
damnit.
We were Loccards before that!
(which... either meant shepherd or light-bringer.  Not any better, damnit.)
 
2022-08-17 9:30:24 AM  

Jake Havechek: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/j_1lIFRdnhA]


Came here for this.
 
2022-08-17 9:35:58 AM  

Daer21: educated: Our jobs are not our identity.
That farce is passing.

Most people don't have much in the way of identity and are incapable of generating one. Labor as basis for identity is older than civilization. Look at surnames.


Like Og Huntergatherer and Thrag Subsistencefarmer.
 
2022-08-17 9:36:43 AM  
How could 52 million Americans not be pissed off making minimum wage, and expected to live on it?  Why would they identify themselves and their own value with such worthless work?  How do they justify to themselves being treated like a wage slave in comparison to someone who barely works a full week and yet makes ten, or even a hundred times as much as they do for a fraction of the effort?

We're getting closer and closer to a leveller-type revolution in this country, and the only people who have a sensible plan, or any plan at all, to get us back on track are the despised liberal left.
 
2022-08-17 9:40:07 AM  

Daer21: educated: Our jobs are not our identity.
That farce is passing.

Most people don't have much in the way of identity and are incapable of generating one. Labor as basis for identity is older than civilization. Look at surnames.


My mother's family name is Miller and my father's family name can be traced back to 'rope maker'
 
2022-08-17 9:47:04 AM  

educated: Daer21: educated: Our jobs are not our identity.
That farce is passing.

Most people don't have much in the way of identity and are incapable of generating one. Labor as basis for identity is older than civilization. Look at surnames.

World's changed an awful lot since those days.


People haven't. Modern man is around 50,000 years old. You are what you do, not necessarily terms of 'job' a relatively modern concept, but what we spend our time doing defines us, whether we like it or not.
 
2022-08-17 9:51:27 AM  
I'm on the side of the workers here, for the record. Work should be safe and adequately renumerated, with appropriate limits on working hours. Fulfilling isn't really something that comes from without. I've never had issues on if my work made a 'difference' I know it does, but the 'bullshiat work' phenomenon has influenced my life choices.
 
2022-08-17 10:12:16 AM  

educated: Our jobs are not our identity.
That farce is passing.


I would like to add to that: "Hey employers.  Take your mission statement and cram it where the sun don't shine.  Same with your pizza parties, swag, and team building events that infringe on people's personal boundaries."
 
2022-08-17 10:17:13 AM  
I've worked in the corporate world in the oft cited scenario where "things have to get done for the good of the company!" Having a mid-level manager come by and check that, "yes we'll be working late tonight," with a follow-up from a VP that stopped by the office after a night out to dinner with his wife to check that "things were progressing," moves beyond depressing and into the aggravation zone extremely quick. Yes, I want to be proud in my work that I know I put in the effort to get things done and reflect that I am getting compensated for that work justly. However, once that compensation becomes a pizza party after a release and the rare over night or occasional late evening becomes a "hey, we all got to put in the work" and here's a pat on the back for working the now expected 50+ work week every week, I'm sorry but I'm walking.

Even still, at some point it's not even a money situation any more. I've left good paying jobs because no matter how invested I am in the work or "proud" of what I've done it's just not worth defining my entire waking life by doing it. I'm sorry. I am not trade defining my life by work for defining it by my family, friends, and hobbies. Life is too short for that!

I mean, I know there are people out there that honestly are at a place where their work is their life fulfilling purpose, but I really do think that is the exception than the norm. Personally, I feel that anyone trying to sell you on a career or work that is life defining as mostly bullshiat.
 
2022-08-17 10:30:27 AM  
Amazon can get bent. They are one of the world's most profitable companies and they treat their workers like shiat. From forcing drivers to be independent contractors and requiring impossible metrics to retain the contract, to paying their warehouse staff way less than what they should for the toll they put on their bodies, to having such a cut throat corporate culture that you are either chained to you desk 24/7 or you're out the door, it's toxic from the top to the bottom.

They want this, it is bred by corporate management for many reasons. It forces turnover at the lower pay wages to keep wages down. Employees that stick around for a while expect a raise, so if you can deliberately design a system to chew someone up and spit them out in 18 months you never have to have any increases in your direct labor costs. Yes there's inefficiencies because of this, but just create insane metrics to weed out those in a week or two that won't be capable of lasting another year.
 
2022-08-17 10:34:35 AM  

Daer21: educated: Our jobs are not our identity.
That farce is passing.

Most people don't have much in the way of identity and are incapable of generating one. Labor as basis for identity is older than civilization. Look at surnames.


My name means fort on the river Ore.
Scottish name.
 
2022-08-17 10:36:02 AM  
Yeah, I don't get any enjoyment or fulfillment from my work. I get both of those things from my off-work activities. I work to earn the money to do enjoyable and fulfilling things.

That said, I choose to work in the not-for-profit sector despite lower pay, because they are a lot more flexible about when I work and actually do care about work/life balance. This means I actually have time outside of work for other things.
 
2022-08-17 10:36:33 AM  
I'm with Aesop Rock on this one.

We the American working population,
Hate the fact that eight hours a day
Is wasted on chasing the dream of someone that isn't us. 
And we may not hate our jobs,
But we hate jobs in general
That don't have to do with fighting our own causes. 
We the American working population,
Hate the nine to five day-in day-out
But we'd rather be supporting ourselves
By being paid to perfect the pasttimes
That we have harbored based solely on the fact that it makes us smile if it sounds dope.
 
2022-08-17 11:01:20 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: I'm with Aesop Rock on this one.

We the American working population,
Hate the fact that eight hours a day
Is wasted on chasing the dream of someone that isn't us. 
And we may not hate our jobs,
But we hate jobs in general
That don't have to do with fighting our own causes. 
We the American working population,
Hate the nine to five day-in day-out
But we'd rather be supporting ourselves
By being paid to perfect the pasttimes
That we have harbored based solely on the fact that it makes us smile if it sounds dope.


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2022-08-17 11:21:45 AM  

Daer21: educated: Daer21: educated: Our jobs are not our identity.
That farce is passing.

Most people don't have much in the way of identity and are incapable of generating one. Labor as basis for identity is older than civilization. Look at surnames.

World's changed an awful lot since those days.

People haven't. Modern man is around 50,000 years old. You are what you do, not necessarily terms of 'job' a relatively modern concept, but what we spend our time doing defines us, whether we like it or not.


I think you're right. It's just a bit bleak and shallow that so many people see themselves as the job they have. Building an identity around a particular sports team is similarly popular and generic, but at least it's built around leisure and fun.
 
2022-08-17 11:23:33 AM  

MadCat: Yeah, I don't get any enjoyment or fulfillment from my work. I get both of those things from my off-work activities. I work to earn the money to do enjoyable and fulfilling things.

That said, I choose to work in the not-for-profit sector despite lower pay, because they are a lot more flexible about when I work and actually do care about work/life balance. This means I actually have time outside of work for other things.


Like being a renamed TimberWolf in front of spheroids.
Dang Kells and their targetting computers.  If they hae Scottish/Northwind targeting computers instead o' Irish ones...
 
2022-08-17 11:30:05 AM  
(04) U2 - Maggie's Farm (17-May-1986) [Self Aid Dublin, Ireland]
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2022-08-17 11:31:07 AM  

deadsanta: How could 52 million Americans not be pissed off making minimum wage, and expected to live on it?  Why would they identify themselves and their own value with such worthless work?  How do they justify to themselves being treated like a wage slave in comparison to someone who barely works a full week and yet makes ten, or even a hundred times as much as they do for a fraction of the effort?

We're getting closer and closer to a leveller-type revolution in this country, and the only people who have a sensible plan, or any plan at all, to get us back on track are the despised liberal left.


It's gotten so bad that almost 1% of American workers make minimum wage.
https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2021/home.htm#

Even worse, corporations and CEO's are demanding that more low wage workers be imported for exploitation.

CEO's are begging for more low wage workers to be imported for starvation wages.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html

Corporations are claiming that importing more low wage workers will solve inflation.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/economy/chamber-of-commerce-inflation/index.html

Many of America's poorest and most exploited workers love the idea, for some strange reason. They simply can't be reasoned with. They have been brainwashed by the CEO's corporations, and corporate media. They actually believe more low wage workers will solve poverty and inequality.

Or maybe misery really does love company.
 
2022-08-17 11:34:14 AM  

Daer21: educated: Our jobs are not our identity.
That farce is passing.

Most people don't have much in the way of identity and are incapable of generating one. Labor as basis for identity is older than civilization. Look at surnames.


Identity and Identification are not the same thing. Bob the Blacksmith and Bob the Farmer are different people so you needed to be able to specify which Bob you were talking about. This is also why the surname stuck long after the Smiths were Blacksmiths. Also, not every surname is a job specification even in cultures where that was a significant source of surnames.

Job as your identity is an effect of literally never being able to do anything else and predates surnames. It is an artifact of the idea that you should know and be proud of your place in society. It should have died as more entertainment and hobbies became available to more people but the protestant work ethic called anything entertaining laziness and laziness was the highest sin you could commit. Getting beyond that in the western world has taken Christianity to finally stop being a driving force in more peoples lives.
 
2022-08-17 11:59:59 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: I'm with Aesop Rock on this one.

We the American working population,
Hate the fact that eight hours a day
Is wasted on chasing the dream of someone that isn't us. 
And we may not hate our jobs,
But we hate jobs in general
That don't have to do with fighting our own causes. 
We the American working population,
Hate the nine to five day-in day-out
But we'd rather be supporting ourselves
By being paid to perfect the pasttimes
That we have harbored based solely on the fact that it makes us smile if it sounds dope.


I don't disagree with that idea either. But if I'm going to do something necessary but not personally preferable (and I am), there better be a decent paycheck in it. One of the nice things about the roofers I used to work for was there was never any pretense about why anyone was there. No talk of family, or work life balance, or foosball tables in the work trailer. You work, you get money, you go home.
 
2022-08-17 12:27:30 PM  

soopey: Amazon can get bent. They are one of the world's most profitable companies and they treat their workers like shiat. From forcing drivers to be independent contractors and requiring impossible metrics to retain the contract, to paying their warehouse staff way less than what they should for the toll they put on their bodies, to having such a cut throat corporate culture that you are either chained to you desk 24/7 or you're out the door, it's toxic from the top to the bottom.

They want this, it is bred by corporate management for many reasons. It forces turnover at the lower pay wages to keep wages down. Employees that stick around for a while expect a raise, so if you can deliberately design a system to chew someone up and spit them out in 18 months you never have to have any increases in your direct labor costs. Yes there's inefficiencies because of this, but just create insane metrics to weed out those in a week or two that won't be capable of lasting another year.


Hey, it's not like they're hiring the Pinkertons to smash unions like it's the industrial revolution all over again.
Oh wait, they are doing that too.
 
2022-08-17 12:28:05 PM  
Economics isn't about facts.
 
2022-08-17 12:38:17 PM  

macadamnut: Economics isn't about facts.


Facts are a capitalist/communist/fascist/liberal/Republican plot.
 
2022-08-17 1:42:34 PM  
Economist here: Go fark yourself of course they are. We cover this in year 1. Ceteris Parabis If you want to attract more workers and keep the ones you have you have to offer better wages than the guy across the street.

That's how it works and business owners can suck on being short staffed until they do.
 
2022-08-17 2:28:34 PM  
Pizza parties only work as motivation if the proles aren't actually paid enough to afford pizza on the reg.
 
2022-08-17 2:36:13 PM  

Daer21: Noticeably F.A.T.: I'm with Aesop Rock on this one.

We the American working population,
Hate the fact that eight hours a day
Is wasted on chasing the dream of someone that isn't us. 
And we may not hate our jobs,
But we hate jobs in general
That don't have to do with fighting our own causes. 
We the American working population,
Hate the nine to five day-in day-out
But we'd rather be supporting ourselves
By being paid to perfect the pasttimes
That we have harbored based solely on the fact that it makes us smile if it sounds dope.

[Fark user image image 425x164]


There is an unlearned lesson here, in both the song and the comic - the same unlearned lesson from the corona virus period where the term "essential worker" came up.

If there is work that needs to be done, the people doing it should be able to have decent lives, enough time off to enjoy those decent lives, and be treated with respect.

Simple things like universal health insurance, mandatory vacation days that actually amount to something (like 4 weeks), 4 day work weeks, affordable housing not controlled by vampire capitalists, the basis for a better life for people who do needed work exists.

That said, sewer plant workers generally get paid pretty well. We know when it's really essential that we have to pay up.
 
2022-08-17 3:18:40 PM  

Stibium: Pizza parties only work as motivation if the proles aren't actually paid enough to afford pizza on the reg.


and yet it seems like the total cost and delivery fees keep going up on my Friday Family pizza order.

/never seen a delivery fee increase go to the drivers.
 
2022-08-17 3:21:27 PM  

adamatari: Simple things like universal health insurance, mandatory vacation days that actually amount to something (like 4 weeks), 4 day work weeks, affordable housing not controlled by vampire capitalists, the basis for a better life for people who do needed work exists.


yea, somehow I heard this as a bad thing for workers last night on Faux.
 
2022-08-17 3:32:15 PM  

Decorus: namegoeshere: $17 an hour, in California, and they're touting this as a good thing?

Doesn't Target pay 24 bucks an hour?


Working 10 hours per week..
 
2022-08-17 3:33:55 PM  

Daer21: educated: Our jobs are not our identity.
That farce is passing.

Most people don't have much in the way of identity and are incapable of generating one. Labor as basis for identity is older than civilization. Look at surnames.


Looking at surnames is a job for Bob Surnamelooker and his family, not me.
 
2022-08-17 4:09:51 PM  

OccamsWhiskers: Daer21: educated: Daer21: educated: Our jobs are not our identity.
That farce is passing.

Most people don't have much in the way of identity and are incapable of generating one. Labor as basis for identity is older than civilization. Look at surnames.

World's changed an awful lot since those days.

People haven't. Modern man is around 50,000 years old. You are what you do, not necessarily terms of 'job' a relatively modern concept, but what we spend our time doing defines us, whether we like it or not.

I think you're right. It's just a bit bleak and shallow that so many people see themselves as the job they have. Building an identity around a particular sports team is similarly popular and generic, but at least it's built around leisure and fun.


I thought sports teams were based on locations.
 
2022-08-17 4:38:42 PM  
"The financial crises of the past two decades, and our failure to predict them, have wreaked havoc on more than just the global economy. The bursting of the dot-com bubble in 2000, the Enron scandal and the global financial crisis of 2008 have led to a loss of faith in economics itself.

But these crises and scandals do not mean that the science of economics is inherently unreliable. Most of them occurred because we ignored what we knew.

Perhaps most obviously, we deputized - and continue to deputize - the wrong people as authorities. For instance, many assume that the real experts on the subject of money are those who have a lot of it. But the opinions of wealthy tycoons are often dissociated from scientific evidence, out of touch with reality and all too plainly wrong. Amassing wealth as an individual is not the same thing as building and sustaining broad economic growth across nations. Often, making a private fortune is a matter of luck. 'Fortuna' is the Latin word for luck, after all."

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-ioannidis-economics-is-a-science-20171114-story.html
 
2022-08-17 5:53:35 PM  

CCNP: Many of America's poorest and most exploited workers love the idea, for some strange reason. They simply can't be reasoned with. They have been brainwashed by the CEO's corporations, and corporate media. They actually believe more low wage workers will solve poverty and inequality.

Or maybe misery really does love company.


They just want to have someone else they can look down upon.  They didn't realize they were the bottom of the barrel until the immigrants went away.  Now everything is priced beyond their reach, and there's nobody below them to blame for their shiat life choices.
 
2022-08-18 1:25:25 AM  

Daer21: Noticeably F.A.T.: I'm with Aesop Rock on this one.

We the American working population,
Hate the fact that eight hours a day
Is wasted on chasing the dream of someone that isn't us. 
And we may not hate our jobs,
But we hate jobs in general
That don't have to do with fighting our own causes. 
We the American working population,
Hate the nine to five day-in day-out
But we'd rather be supporting ourselves
By being paid to perfect the pasttimes
That we have harbored based solely on the fact that it makes us smile if it sounds dope.

[Fark user image image 425x164]


Part of how this was handed was people used to do several things instead of specializing. You're a clockmaker and a spy and a playwright and an arms dealer. You're a clergyman and a scientist and a politician.

Difficulty was the other part of the equation was having really really low paid servants or slaves to attend the housework for these guys.
 
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