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(KTVU Bay Area News)   Freeway design helps homeowner update property 23 times since 1972. Engineers finally considering changing off-ramp or careers   (ktvu.com) divider line
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2022-08-17 1:56:48 AM  
Hmm, now what gave them that idea?

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2022-08-17 3:15:51 AM  
There was a house like this in my small hometown. Two lane road, sharp curve coming into town after a long, long straightaway.

It got bashed regularly until the Highway Department put up a steel railing, which also got bashed regularly. The owner eventually gave up and torn the house down.

They've rebuilt the road since and I think there's a strip mall there now.
 
2022-08-17 5:48:48 AM  
Large boulders made of granite or gneiss.
 
2022-08-17 6:58:28 AM  
Westfield has one of these houses. Owner was literally repairing his home for the 10th or 12th time, and someone sailed over the equipment in the yard and into his living room, again. It's a combination of a steep hill, and a mild turn, on a stretch of road that isn't exactly patrolled heavily, and has a lot of tree cover, so folks rolling at a decent clip don't see the house coming, and hit the house rolling dead on. After the hit that took out the repairs and the builder's equipment, he put up a wall, and someone hit that, and the debris crashed into the house. Which, I suppose is a minor victory. He then put up a bigger wall, and installed guide rails himself, and the house now has a great view of concrete barriers set inside the wall. The last iteration has apparently kept damage to the house away, but he's had to repair the new and improved barrier a few times. And the State and city refused to do anything about the guardrails that got mangled.
 
2022-08-17 8:40:47 AM  
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2022-08-17 8:40:53 AM  
And they say the pike is obsolete.
 
2022-08-17 8:41:07 AM  
So-called journalists need a kick in the junk. Why not show a map, showing how the off-ramp and the house are oriented with respect to each other? Or at least give the address, so we can go look it up.

347 Beale St, in my neighborhood in Quincy MA, has huge boulders in the front yard. People drive very fast on Beale and there's a curve there, so, I assume this has happened there and the boulders are the solution.
 
2022-08-17 8:41:28 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Large boulders made of granite or gneiss.


Yup. I'd buy a bunch of  7 foot boulders with overhang pointing out so that they don't turn into jumps.Actually, I'd pay for the city to do it so whiners don't sue me.
 
2022-08-17 8:43:29 AM  
Humans were not meant to travel at high velocities.

/ The 55 miles an hour limit was the safest and most efficient thing that we ever did, carwise.
 
2022-08-17 8:53:35 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Large boulders made of granite or gneiss.


This article has more details, and apparently he installed a brick wall as a barrier, which obviously did nothing. And the metal polls were probably overturned because they were not sank deep enough.

I'll leave it to someone with better math skills to compute, but if the owner were to put several 10,000 pound boulders on his lawn, I'd assume that even a pickup trucking going 100 mph will be stopped cold.
 
2022-08-17 8:54:38 AM  
The owner needs to put in a video camera to recoup losses...

Another left turn crash at the 11foot8+8 bridge
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2022-08-17 8:55:37 AM  
I just wish God would give me a sign if I should move.
 
2022-08-17 8:57:21 AM  
San Jose was a lot safer when it was all orchards.
 
2022-08-17 8:58:39 AM  
Look no one likes abuses of eminent domain, but in this case the city should just offer him 2 or 3 times the price of his house and put a park or a pond or something in its place
 
2022-08-17 8:59:54 AM  
Two words. Translucent ramp.

With the right curvature it should flip anything on it's roof allaying any serious damage.
 
2022-08-17 9:02:38 AM  
🎵Do you know the way, to San OH SH*T!
 
2022-08-17 9:03:07 AM  
Personally, I would purchase an old dump truck and fill the back with the rocks. I would then park it in front of the house and paint it caution yellow.
 
2022-08-17 9:07:17 AM  
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2022-08-17 9:08:39 AM  

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Nice joint - any bets on the Zillow price? 1.1 mil?
 
2022-08-17 9:08:49 AM  

iheartscotch: Humans were not meant to travel at high velocities.

/ The 55 miles an hour limit was the safest and most efficient thing that we ever did, carwise.


That certainly would make travel nightmarish to drive that slow.
 
2022-08-17 9:09:21 AM  

endosymbiont: So-called journalists need a kick in the junk. Why not show a map, showing how the off-ramp and the house are oriented with respect to each other? Or at least give the address, so we can go look it up.

347 Beale St, in my neighborhood in Quincy MA, has huge boulders in the front yard. People drive very fast on Beale and there's a curve there, so, I assume this has happened there and the boulders are the solution.


They suck pretty bad. 

The article says Jackson Street Offramp from I 680 South.  Turns out it's the Jackson Ave offramp from I-680 northbound.

So... if that's the only house on that corner getting hit, seems like the easiest solution is for the appropriate jurisdiction (state I would assume, since the IH highways are federally funded but administered by the states) to imminent domain the house and tear it down.  Landscape the corner with a terraced earthen berm that would be able to absorb any errant cars.

I don't get these people who are so attached to a house that they stay suffering with repeated disasters making it clear that the place is unlivable.
 
2022-08-17 9:11:22 AM  

Izunbacol: endosymbiont: So-called journalists need a kick in the junk. Why not show a map, showing how the off-ramp and the house are oriented with respect to each other? Or at least give the address, so we can go look it up.

347 Beale St, in my neighborhood in Quincy MA, has huge boulders in the front yard. People drive very fast on Beale and there's a curve there, so, I assume this has happened there and the boulders are the solution.

They suck pretty bad. 

The article says Jackson Street Offramp from I 680 South.  Turns out it's the Jackson Ave offramp from I-680 northbound.

So... if that's the only house on that corner getting hit, seems like the easiest solution is for the appropriate jurisdiction (state I would assume, since the IH highways are federally funded but administered by the states) to imminent domain the house and tear it down.  Landscape the corner with a terraced earthen berm that would be able to absorb any errant cars.

I don't get these people who are so attached to a house that they stay suffering with repeated disasters making it clear that the place is unlivable.


Oh yeah, the address is 706 S Jackson Ave, San Jose, CA 95116.  I'm assuming that wouldn't be Doxing since they clearly listed his name, showed the house number in the video, and (poorly) explained exactly where the house is located.
 
2022-08-17 9:11:32 AM  

NM Volunteer: iheartscotch: Humans were not meant to travel at high velocities.

/ The 55 miles an hour limit was the safest and most efficient thing that we ever did, carwise.

That certainly would make travel nightmarish to drive that slow.


We'd all die of dysentery.
 
2022-08-17 9:11:35 AM  
A concrete island roundabout with some extra bollards should just go in the middle of the intersection.
 
2022-08-17 9:12:58 AM  

LarryDan43: I just wish God would give me a sign if I should move.


How is the house changing owners going to stop drunk idiots from crashing into it?
 
2022-08-17 9:14:07 AM  
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2022-08-17 9:21:55 AM  
Man, all those decades and not one thought of just using the insurance money for repairs, then selling the nicely intact house and moving like a few miles thataway. That's the wrong way to be lazy.

/At least a few miles. Wouldn't want the new owners to know where I lived.
 
2022-08-17 9:22:18 AM  
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He needs to investigate other solutions like this.
 
2022-08-17 9:25:06 AM  

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Yup, that is one very poorly designed intersection.
 
2022-08-17 9:29:16 AM  
After the 2nd or 3rd time I'd probably sell it and move. But in order to do that you'd have to repair the house. And just as you repair it BAM, another car slams into it. It's a vicious cycle.
 
2022-08-17 9:31:52 AM  

nytmare: LarryDan43: I just wish God would give me a sign if I should move.

How is the house changing owners going to stop drunk idiots from crashing into it?


Doesn't, but it makes it someone else's problem. A solution for one party.
 
2022-08-17 9:47:19 AM  

TheAlgebraist: Look no one likes abuses of eminent domain, but in this case the city should just offer him 2 or 3 times the price of his house and put a park or a pond or something in its place


Or even better, a RAMP and some camera's
 
2022-08-17 9:53:43 AM  

NM Volunteer: iheartscotch: Humans were not meant to travel at high velocities.

/ The 55 miles an hour limit was the safest and most efficient thing that we ever did, carwise.

That certainly would make travel nightmarish to drive that slow.


I was a kid when 55 was implemented. I remember the first trip from south Texas to San Antonio. My parents complained about it taking much longer but I also remember them say it was less stressful.

I did drive for a few years with it at 55 (probably close to 15). It was not bad if you just set your cruise control.
 
2022-08-17 9:54:59 AM  

iheartscotch: Humans were not meant to travel at high velocities.

/ The 55 miles an hour limit was the safest and most efficient thing that we ever did, carwise.


55 mph is a high velocity.
 
2022-08-17 9:55:28 AM  

Nullav: Man, all those decades and not one thought of just using the insurance money for repairs, then selling the nicely intact house and moving like a few miles thataway. That's the wrong way to be lazy.

/At least a few miles. Wouldn't want the new owners to know where I lived.


So...better to be deceitful than lazy. No heaven for you.
 
2022-08-17 9:57:16 AM  

NM Volunteer: iheartscotch: Humans were not meant to travel at high velocities.

/ The 55 miles an hour limit was the safest and most efficient thing that we ever did, carwise.

That certainly would make travel nightmarish to drive that slow.


Make the cars go slow, and let busses and trains go fast. Maybe this country will get serious about mass transportation.
 
2022-08-17 9:57:18 AM  
I've mentioned it a few times here on Fark, but I've had 28 drivers miss a curve 32 times and go thru my fence or side swipe it or hit the ditch and recover but not soon enough to avoid taking out my mailbox.

Been 4 years since the bar closed (I'm between two small towns, one that had a bar and one that doesn't), no accidents since.
 
2022-08-17 10:00:13 AM  
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2022-08-17 10:04:16 AM  

endosymbiont: So-called journalists need a kick in the junk. Why not show a map, showing how the off-ramp and the house are oriented with respect to each other? Or at least give the address, so we can go look it up.

347 Beale St, in my neighborhood in Quincy MA, has huge boulders in the front yard. People drive very fast on Beale and there's a curve there, so, I assume this has happened there and the boulders are the solution.


Spellcheck is their editor and you want a map?
 
2022-08-17 10:07:11 AM  

thornhill: I'll leave it to someone with better math skills to compute, but if the owner were to put several 10,000 pound boulders on his lawn, I'd assume that even a pickup trucking going 100 mph will be stopped cold.


Lawn seems a bit narrow to really fit significant boulders. There's also the issue of some people being so utterly off-course that they hit the garage according to that article, and a large boulder in front of there would rather defeat the purpose. So some proper bollards are probably the best bet, they'll stop just about everything but the loose bits that come flying off the vehicle, and there are those you can raise&lower for use in front of his driveway.
 
2022-08-17 10:10:10 AM  

ChrisDe: NM Volunteer: iheartscotch: Humans were not meant to travel at high velocities.

/ The 55 miles an hour limit was the safest and most efficient thing that we ever did, carwise.

That certainly would make travel nightmarish to drive that slow.

Make the cars go slow, and let busses and trains go fast. Maybe this country will get serious about mass transportation.


Or maybe we should stop living in cities?  All I hear on Fark is city folk biatching about cars and demanding solutions to their issues that will just create issues for everybody else.  I don't have issues with cars.
 
2022-08-17 10:10:14 AM  

ChrisDe: NM Volunteer: iheartscotch: Humans were not meant to travel at high velocities.

/ The 55 miles an hour limit was the safest and most efficient thing that we ever did, carwise.

That certainly would make travel nightmarish to drive that slow.

Make the cars go slow, and let busses and trains go fast. Maybe this country will get serious about mass transportation.


All you'd have to do is lay high-speed tracks so the bullet train isn't sharing a line with freight haulers.
 
2022-08-17 10:18:49 AM  

NM Volunteer: Or maybe we should stop living in cities?


Ah yes, the "poor people should just buy more money" school of problem solving.
 
2022-08-17 10:20:22 AM  
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To make this safe, they could reroute the ramp to introduce a curve, and/or condemn the house at the south West corner and make the right hand turn much less abrupt.
Look at how hard this truck is trying to make the turn
 
2022-08-17 10:20:29 AM  

Izunbacol: Izunbacol: endosymbiont: So-called journalists need a kick in the junk. Why not show a map, showing how the off-ramp and the house are oriented with respect to each other? Or at least give the address, so we can go look it up.

347 Beale St, in my neighborhood in Quincy MA, has huge boulders in the front yard. People drive very fast on Beale and there's a curve there, so, I assume this has happened there and the boulders are the solution.

They suck pretty bad. 

The article says Jackson Street Offramp from I 680 South.  Turns out it's the Jackson Ave offramp from I-680 northbound.

So... if that's the only house on that corner getting hit, seems like the easiest solution is for the appropriate jurisdiction (state I would assume, since the IH highways are federally funded but administered by the states) to imminent domain the house and tear it down.  Landscape the corner with a terraced earthen berm that would be able to absorb any errant cars.

I don't get these people who are so attached to a house that they stay suffering with repeated disasters making it clear that the place is unlivable.

Oh yeah, the address is 706 S Jackson Ave, San Jose, CA 95116.  I'm assuming that wouldn't be Doxing since they clearly listed his name, showed the house number in the video, and (poorly) explained exactly where the house is located.


Hey, traffic engineers! I think I've spotted your problem:

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I drew a red circle around it, because it may be too subtle for some people to see.
 
2022-08-17 10:22:49 AM  
There used to be a house here. To the left was an offramp from what was then NJ 208.  (It was upgraded and then incorporated into I-287 in the 1990s.)  The offramp was a really tight turn, as I recall it was posted with a huge "10 MPH" warning sign.  Finally after about the 4th or 5th car failed to make the turn and hit the house I think either the county or the state bought the house.  With the ramp closed and a sound barrier there now, there's no reason you couldn't reconstruct a house there, but good luck getting insurance for it, and I think there's probably something on the deed now that says you can't ever build there again.
 
2022-08-17 10:44:10 AM  
Don't give them something to rebound off of - give them something to fear.  If you make metal protrusions coming out of the wall that will impale anyone who strikes it, you can be damned sure that everyone will slow the fark down.

"WARNING: FATAL SPIKE WALL AHEAD"
"Oh shiat, I'd better slow down to 5 MPH the posted limit so I don't impale myself."

Alternatively, just have the city setup a lease with a local junker, every week they tow a fresh vehicle totaled in an accident over to the off ramp.  We *know* everyone will slow to a crawl to see the totaled car from an accident.
 
2022-08-17 10:44:24 AM  

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To make this safe, they could reroute the ramp to introduce a curve, and/or condemn the house at the south West corner and make the right hand turn much less abrupt.
Look at how hard this truck is trying to make the turn


A slightly cheaper solution would be a couple of sets of rumble strips on the ramp to get the drivers to slow down. But I agree about 10 feet off the right hand corner would help.
 
2022-08-17 10:45:30 AM  

NM Volunteer: iheartscotch: Humans were not meant to travel at high velocities.

/ The 55 miles an hour limit was the safest and most efficient thing that we ever did, carwise.

That certainly would make travel nightmarish to drive that slow.


When you drive that slow....is it hard to steer?

/ Can't even get your car out of second gear
 
2022-08-17 10:53:02 AM  

thornhill: ecmoRandomNumbers: Large boulders made of granite or gneiss.

This article has more details, and apparently he installed a brick wall as a barrier, which obviously did nothing. And the metal polls were probably overturned because they were not sank deep enough.

I'll leave it to someone with better math skills to compute, but if the owner were to put several 10,000 pound boulders on his lawn, I'd assume that even a pickup trucking going 100 mph will be stopped cold.


Thank you.

And how in the everloving fark could anyone hit that house at all, let alone 23 times? You'd have had to go all the way across how many lanes of what looks like a very busy street to do it. I mean, literally, how?
 
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