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(Car and Driver)   Now that Dodge is saying goodbye to the Hemi, meet the 4 cylinder Dodge Hornet, a rebadged Alfa Romeo. Available plug-in hybrid or a GLH trim for all you Omni fans   (caranddriver.com) divider line
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2022-08-17 4:19:30 AM  
What will be the final assy plant?
 
2022-08-17 4:27:30 AM  
According to Wikipedia, Pomigliano d'Arco in Italy
 
2022-08-17 4:46:03 AM  
30 mile range? Do you tow a diesel generator behind it?
 
2022-08-17 5:16:20 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: 30 mile range? Do you tow a diesel generator behind it?


No, a gasoline generator is included as standard equipment

/ Conveniently mounted in the bay between the front bumper and passenger compartment
// It can even power the front wheels if it needs to
 
2022-08-17 5:47:45 AM  

CivilizedTiger: Pointy Tail of Satan: 30 mile range? Do you tow a diesel generator behind it?

No, a gasoline generator is included as standard equipment

/ Conveniently mounted in the bay between the front bumper and passenger compartment
// It can even power the front wheels if it needs to


My rav4 prime started at about 42 miles range. Now I'm getting about 53.
 
2022-08-17 6:17:33 AM  
Oh look, another crossover.
 
2022-08-17 6:20:12 AM  
Got to ride in a GLH once, that was way too much horsepower for that car. The owner said he was afraid to floor it because "I'm not sure what direction the car will end up facing".
 
2022-08-17 7:29:17 AM  

CivilizedTiger: Pointy Tail of Satan: 30 mile range? Do you tow a diesel generator behind it?

No, a gasoline generator is included as standard equipment

/ Conveniently mounted in the bay between the front bumper and passenger compartment
// It can even power the front wheels if it needs to


Obviously I am replying more to anyone who reads this than specifically to CT, but the thing I like about plug in hybrids is that you can drive them pretty much however you like.

If you are the guy who wants that E range all the time, then you drive the vehicle on your battery and wait until the battery is fully discharged and then you go from ICE the rest of your trip.

After a while, you will figure out that you don't have to do things that way at all. You can choose to use your battery or not, and save your charge. Manufacturers set it up so that you HAVE to use up your gasoline once every 3 months or every 6 months, whether you like it or not, so actually literally what I do now is that I only fill my tank up about halfway. PLUS I use gasoline for long hills, highway driving, or very early parts of long trips, or when I am using AC or heating, i.e., really hot or cold days.

You use battery for flat driving, stop and go, city driving, long downhill charging sessions, etc.

The way it works out, you get great battery range right in the middle of your trip, you can use regenerative braking any time, and your battery lasts longer anyway. If you choose horses for courses, that battery can take you a lot farther than 30 miles. You could stretch it to 60 if you were creative.

Or, you know, for any trip that is less than 30 miles, just do the whole thing full battery and forget about it. It is a cliche, but 30 miles covers all but 3 or 4 trips per year for me.

Gas stations are everywhere, so nothing you do is going to screw you up. You literally actually do not have to worry about anything.

The crazy upshot for me is that a 10 kWh battery (rated 60 km, now more like 45 km), which is hilariously small by Tesla standards, is perfectly fine for me. And lately I am only using half of my gas tank. That is what I am doing. And I charged from solar today, so it is working out. I have used a charger other than my home charger only once in ... 7? 8 years?

The second plug in is supposed to be coming this month. My wife will just drive it using the no-brainer "drive on battery until the ICE comes on" strategy and that will be fine.

As the first plug in peters out, it will just become more and more like a regular hybrid. And maybe in another 8 years, batteries will be smaller, cheaper, and with more capacity. Until them, I am driving a "mostly EV, sometimes hybrid, and an ICE in very rare instances."
 
2022-08-17 7:30:48 AM  

IwasKloot: CivilizedTiger: Pointy Tail of Satan: 30 mile range? Do you tow a diesel generator behind it?

No, a gasoline generator is included as standard equipment

/ Conveniently mounted in the bay between the front bumper and passenger compartment
// It can even power the front wheels if it needs to

My rav4 prime started at about 42 miles range. Now I'm getting about 53.


Nice! I was considering the RAV4 Prime to replace my 1st-gen Volt, but there were none to be had near me (well, not any within $10k of the sticker price). The RAV4 seemed to have everything the Volt was lacking - similar EV range but AWD, seriously decent power when desired, and interior passenger/storage space (the Volt was ok for such a small car, but the battery location took a noticeably big chunk out).

As to the plug-in Hornet, I'm wondering if they're being really conservative on the range. 12.0 kWh useable battery capacity and only 30 miles of range? My Volt has ~10.5 kWh useable and was rated at 38 miles range (I've gotten as high as 56 miles under absolutely perfect conditions, typically got ~45 miles if I could avoid high speed roads or use of the heater).  The Hornet seems bigger (less aerodynamic and heavier) than the Volt, but not so big that it shouldn't go 3+ miles per kWh.
 
2022-08-17 8:06:09 AM  

Gleeman: Got to ride in a GLH once, that was way too much horsepower for that car. The owner said he was afraid to floor it because "I'm not sure what direction the car will end up facing".


I've got a motorcycle that'll literally flip over backwards if I punch it in 1st. No pull on the bars, no clutch wankery, straight up power wheelie. You know what I do? Modulate the throttle until I'm doing about 100 kph at the top of 2nd, then shift to 3rd and go all-in. Why yes, it DOES have short gearing, but there's 6 of them...

A decent driver can just let off the throttle a touch if things start getting a bit too hairy, you know :P

If you're going to buy a hot vehicle, there's classes. Take one. Maybe two. Then do some track days. The money you spend will be SO worth it, and most insurance companies will actually cover wadding your vehicle on a track if you were taking a class at the time. Accidents during driver training are covered in most decent insurance packages. It's HELLA fun, and you'll be a much better driver. Bonus points if you convince your SO to come along ;)
 
2022-08-17 9:38:59 AM  

Gleeman: Got to ride in a GLH once, that was way too much horsepower for that car. The owner said he was afraid to floor it because "I'm not sure what direction the car will end up facing".


145 horsepower was just too much for them? What a wimp.
 
2022-08-17 9:57:31 AM  

mrmopar5287: Gleeman: Got to ride in a GLH once, that was way too much horsepower for that car. The owner said he was afraid to floor it because "I'm not sure what direction the car will end up facing".

145 horsepower was just too much for them? What a wimp.


175 on some models, (not sure which it was) and in a 2,100 pound FWD car with 195/50 15" rims. Even the Car and Driver review said to be careful when you hit it hard.
 
2022-08-17 10:07:29 AM  

Gleeman: mrmopar5287: Gleeman: Got to ride in a GLH once, that was way too much horsepower for that car. The owner said he was afraid to floor it because "I'm not sure what direction the car will end up facing".

145 horsepower was just too much for them? What a wimp.

175 on some models, (not sure which it was) and in a 2,100 pound FWD car with 195/50 15" rims. Even the Car and Driver review said to be careful when you hit it hard.


The last 500 were sold by Shelby as the GLHS with the 175 horsepower Turbo II engine. Few people had that one.
 
2022-08-17 10:08:56 AM  

mrmopar5287: Gleeman: Got to ride in a GLH once, that was way too much horsepower for that car. The owner said he was afraid to floor it because "I'm not sure what direction the car will end up facing".

145 horsepower was just too much for them? What a wimp.


It was relatively easy to get a lot more than that without a whole lot of effort.  But it had no torque until the turbo kicked in, at which point it had a _lot_ of torque steer.  It was hard to keep in your lane when launching, and on turns having the turbo kick in could be exciting.
 
2022-08-17 10:20:34 AM  

Jclark666: It was hard to keep in your lane when launching


If by hard you mean "hold onto the steering wheel," sure.

I know the Consumer Reports thing you are referring to. That's the one where they suddenly yanked the steering wheel and then let it go while keeping the gas pedal down, which is something that LITERALLY no one would or should do. Oh, gosh, the wheel turned left and right with no one holding onto it! Yeah, so... hold onto it like a normal person.

Chrysler put a steering damper on the cars soon after the issue first came up (in 1978!) so any of the GLH models from 84-86 are largely unaffected because it was half-a-decade later and they cars had a steering damper fitted to them from the assembly line.

I've driven several Chrysler Turbo II and Turbo III cars. They're fine. Hold onto the steering wheel like a normal person and it's fine.
 
2022-08-17 10:47:37 AM  
I'm speaking from experience not an article.  Chargers and Daytonas didn't have the same problem, they were longer and heavier with a lower and more centered center of gravity.  Their rear wheels followed dutifully behind, while the Omni was able to torque enough and light enough that the rear end lifted enough to just sort of slide around.  Between us my friends and I had all three at the same time around 92-94.  The Shelby Charger was the best of the three.  The Omni was fun to surprise people with but not an enjoyable daily.
 
2022-08-17 10:53:23 AM  
Italian electronics? GREAT IDEA.
 
2022-08-17 11:05:26 AM  

2fardownthread: CivilizedTiger: Pointy Tail of Satan: 30 mile range? Do you tow a diesel generator behind it?

No, a gasoline generator is included as standard equipment

/ Conveniently mounted in the bay between the front bumper and passenger compartment
// It can even power the front wheels if it needs to

Obviously I am replying more to anyone who reads this than specifically to CT, but the thing I like about plug in hybrids is that you can drive them pretty much however you like.

If you are the guy who wants that E range all the time, then you drive the vehicle on your battery and wait until the battery is fully discharged and then you go from ICE the rest of your trip.

After a while, you will figure out that you don't have to do things that way at all. You can choose to use your battery or not, and save your charge. Manufacturers set it up so that you HAVE to use up your gasoline once every 3 months or every 6 months, whether you like it or not, so actually literally what I do now is that I only fill my tank up about halfway. PLUS I use gasoline for long hills, highway driving, or very early parts of long trips, or when I am using AC or heating, i.e., really hot or cold days.

You use battery for flat driving, stop and go, city driving, long downhill charging sessions, etc.

The way it works out, you get great battery range right in the middle of your trip, you can use regenerative braking any time, and your battery lasts longer anyway. If you choose horses for courses, that battery can take you a lot farther than 30 miles. You could stretch it to 60 if you were creative.

Or, you know, for any trip that is less than 30 miles, just do the whole thing full battery and forget about it. It is a cliche, but 30 miles covers all but 3 or 4 trips per year for me.

Gas stations are everywhere, so nothing you do is going to screw you up. You literally actually do not have to worry about anything.

The crazy upshot for me is that a 10 kWh battery (rated 60 km, now more like 45 km), wh ...


The PHEV is like the unsung hero of the EV market.  I'm really looking at one to place my 2016 forester in a few years.
 
2022-08-17 11:36:36 AM  
Gee, a product sold by Dodge, made by Alfa Romeo and shares a name with an AMC product... what's not to love?!!!!

It will be the paragon of dependability and dealer service! Shut up and take my money!
 
2022-08-17 12:36:51 PM  

zamboni: Gee, a product sold by Dodge, made by Alfa Romeo and shares a name with an AMC product... what's not to love?!!!!

It will be the paragon of dependability and dealer service! Shut up and take my money!


Fix it again, Tony!
 
2022-08-17 12:58:22 PM  

Gleeman: Got to ride in a GLH once, that was way too much horsepower for that car. The owner said he was afraid to floor it because "I'm not sure what direction the car will end up facing".


I had one as a teenager, and can assure you that it was plenty controllable when it was abused, I mean floored.
 
2022-08-18 12:01:42 AM  
It's not like this was known when the product planning was going on, but Dodge has really boned themselves here by assembling in Italy. For the PHEV versions they have entirely shut themselves out of the new tax credits.
 
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