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2022-08-16 9:59:57 AM  
Once Russia removes all troops from the Ukraine, including the Crimea talks will be considered until then the sanctions will get harsher and the equipment the Ukraine gets will be better.
 
2022-08-16 10:02:04 AM  

eurotrader: Once Russia removes all troops from the Ukraine, including the Crimea talks will be considered until then the sanctions will get harsher and the equipment the Ukraine gets will be better.


I just hope there's a Ukraine left when they get done.  The devastation in some of these cities is horrendous
 
2022-08-16 10:03:30 AM  

OldRod: eurotrader: Once Russia removes all troops from the Ukraine, including the Crimea talks will be considered until then the sanctions will get harsher and the equipment the Ukraine gets will be better.

I just hope there's a Ukraine left when they get done.  The devastation in some of these cities is horrendous


There is $100 billion in former Russian funds sitting in the US to give to the Ukraine after the war is over.
 
2022-08-16 10:07:39 AM  
This has "counter intelligence attempt" written all over it.
 
2022-08-16 11:26:49 AM  
FTFA: "A representative of Putin's inner-circle sent a signal to the West about the desire to negotiate,"

Uh, Ivan... you're not at war with "the West", you're at war with Ukraine.  Why don't you try negotiating with them?
Of course, they might not be in a mood to negotiate right now.
 
2022-08-16 1:07:30 PM  
Negotiate what? GTFO and then the West can talk about how you will remove Putin from power.

What despicable people.
 
2022-08-16 1:08:07 PM  

eurotrader: the Ukraine

 
2022-08-16 1:09:47 PM  
Kill Putin, problem solved.
 
2022-08-16 1:10:53 PM  

xxmedium: This has "counter intelligence attempt" written all over it.


FTA:  "A document believed to have been circulated around Western intelligence agencies was supposedly seen by UK-based tabloid newspaper The Mirror."

Now being reported on by Yahoo! News Australia.  Only a matter of time until it creeps into CNN and MSNBC (or FOX under the guise of "why aren't Dems letting peace happen! Russians want to find an end to the war").


It's like that (really catchy) Cash4Gold montage in South Park, except watching the cycle of speculative 'news' make the rounds.
 
2022-08-16 1:11:03 PM  
FTFA:"It's believed the elite are worried about losing their freedom in the West, with sanctions put in place earlier this year continuing to take hold."

Maybe even after the dust settles, Russian "elites" should stay the fark in Russia.
 
2022-08-16 1:11:54 PM  
Well, that guy's life is over.
 
2022-08-16 1:12:22 PM  
Путин не путь? Невозможно.
 
2022-08-16 1:12:51 PM  
Yahoo is worse than the farking NY Post. Stopped reading their shiat years ago.
 
2022-08-16 1:12:57 PM  
 
2022-08-16 1:13:04 PM  

OptionC: FTFA: "A representative of Putin's inner-circle sent a signal to the West about the desire to negotiate,"

Uh, Ivan... you're not at war with "the West", you're at war with Ukraine.  Why don't you try negotiating with them?
Of course, they might not be in a mood to negotiate right now.


Putin does not want to negotiate as that would be perceived as weakness. Ukraine doesn't want to negotiate as they are currently kicking Russia's ass. The only terms Ukraine would accept are complete and unconditional surrender by Russia and returning all the lands Russia stole from Ukraine.
 
2022-08-16 1:13:49 PM  
Current odds:
10/1: its accurate
3/2: its a psyop so more Kremlin heads roll thanks to autocratic paranoia.

Either way, keep up the good work
 
2022-08-16 1:14:48 PM  

fsbilly: Negotiate what? GTFO and then the West can talk about how you will remove Putin from power.

What despicable people.


NGL, from everything that I've heard and read and seen on the news, most of russia has always been pretty shiat.

A lot of that info came directly from russians themselves.

I used to have a much higher opinion of russians, until I sat down and talked with some of them (to be fair though, they were refugees who fled russia. Though to be fair to them, they only needed to leave because they were jewish).

Life in the USSR, especially for jews, was pretty shiat. Life likely continues being pretty shiat for a lot of people who live there currently, and those who support it are mostly to blame for it's continued shiattiness.
 
2022-08-16 1:16:46 PM  

eurotrader: OldRod: eurotrader: Once Russia removes all troops from the Ukraine, including the Crimea talks will be considered until then the sanctions will get harsher and the equipment the Ukraine gets will be better.

I just hope there's a Ukraine left when they get done.  The devastation in some of these cities is horrendous

There is $100 billion in former Russian funds sitting in the US to give to the Ukraine after the war is over.


Can we send all the Trumpers to help rebuild, too?
 
2022-08-16 1:19:09 PM  
Rich folks worried that they won't stay rich - or alive - if this goes on much longer. Can't have Western sanctions turn them into paupers.

A blunt reminder that the rich only want to stay rich & get richer; everything else, from patriotism to human rights, is negotiable. Doesn't matter if it's rich Russians or rich Americans, rich folks happily betray their alleged countries if it means keeping the money.
 
2022-08-16 1:19:20 PM  
Look guys, you got your wealth and power by sucking up to Putin. You knew the game, you knew the risks. Sink with the ship, bastards. There will be no negotiation until you GTFO of the places you don't belong.
 
2022-08-16 1:19:41 PM  

shamen123: Current odds:
10/1: its accurate
3/2: its a psyop so more Kremlin heads roll thanks to autocratic paranoia.

Either way, keep up the good work


And, this.
 
2022-08-16 1:21:52 PM  
Oh now you're worried about the war?

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So not when thousands of Ukrainians civilians were being and tortured slaughtered?
Not when loads of evidence came to light about the kids being raped to death, huh.
Not even when Russia deliberately pushes third world countries to the edge of famine over this f**king war?

So really this is all about your precious pilfered rubble you're after protecting isn't it.
You're afraid if shiat continues to go even more sideways for pumpkin face, you'll lose your corrupt AF money daddy.

JFC

F**k you Russia, we're re-taking Crimea.
 
2022-08-16 1:22:52 PM  
For the wankers cheering on a couple against Putin, I'd challenge you to take even a passing look at Russian history for the past, say, 1000 years

Now, tell me the chances the next guy after Putin won't be any less blood-thirsty
 
2022-08-16 1:23:36 PM  

funzyr: eurotrader: OldRod: eurotrader: Once Russia removes all troops from the Ukraine, including the Crimea talks will be considered until then the sanctions will get harsher and the equipment the Ukraine gets will be better.

I just hope there's a Ukraine left when they get done.  The devastation in some of these cities is horrendous

There is $100 billion in former Russian funds sitting in the US to give to the Ukraine after the war is over.

Can we send all the Trumpers to help rebuild, too?


You must really hate Ukrainians.
 
2022-08-16 1:23:48 PM  

philodough: Oh now you're worried about the war?

[Fark user image image 425x135]

So not when thousands of Ukrainians civilians were being and tortured slaughtered?
Not when loads of evidence came to light about the kids being raped to death, huh.
Not even when Russia deliberately pushes third world countries to the edge of famine over this f**king war?

So really this is all about your precious pilfered rubble you're after protecting isn't it.
You're afraid if shiat continues to go even more sideways for pumpkin face, you'll lose your corrupt AF money daddy.

JFC

F**k you Russia, we're re-taking Crimea.


Sorry, but there's zero chance anyone in Russia will ever return Crimea. Putin or otherwise

Might as well ask the US to give up Maine or California
 
2022-08-16 1:27:31 PM  
GTFO. Pay for Repairs with free gas forever for Ukraine. End of negotiations.
 
2022-08-16 1:27:56 PM  

ElecricalPast: philodough: Oh now you're worried about the war?

[Fark user image image 425x135]

So not when thousands of Ukrainians civilians were being and tortured slaughtered?
Not when loads of evidence came to light about the kids being raped to death, huh.
Not even when Russia deliberately pushes third world countries to the edge of famine over this f**king war?

So really this is all about your precious pilfered rubble you're after protecting isn't it.
You're afraid if shiat continues to go even more sideways for pumpkin face, you'll lose your corrupt AF money daddy.

JFC

F**k you Russia, we're re-taking Crimea.

Sorry, but there's zero chance anyone in Russia will ever return Crimea. Putin or otherwise

Might as well ask the US to give up Maine or California


That's why they're re-taking it.
 
2022-08-16 1:28:09 PM  

ElecricalPast: philodough: Oh now you're worried about the war?

[Fark user image image 425x135]

So not when thousands of Ukrainians civilians were being and tortured slaughtered?
Not when loads of evidence came to light about the kids being raped to death, huh.
Not even when Russia deliberately pushes third world countries to the edge of famine over this f**king war?

So really this is all about your precious pilfered rubble you're after protecting isn't it.
You're afraid if shiat continues to go even more sideways for pumpkin face, you'll lose your corrupt AF money daddy.

JFC

F**k you Russia, we're re-taking Crimea.

Sorry, but there's zero chance anyone in Russia will ever return Crimea. Putin or otherwise

Might as well ask the US to give up Maine or California


Not with that attitude they aren't.

Luckily the attitude they seem to be adopting is, "Poke your head out so we can bomb you, and then when you're all dead we can reclaim what is ours", which seems to be working for them.
 
2022-08-16 1:28:14 PM  

Maker_of_Roads: fsbilly: Negotiate what? GTFO and then the West can talk about how you will remove Putin from power.

What despicable people.

NGL, from everything that I've heard and read and seen on the news, most of russia has always been pretty shiat.

A lot of that info came directly from russians themselves.

I used to have a much higher opinion of russians, until I sat down and talked with some of them (to be fair though, they were refugees who fled russia. Though to be fair to them, they only needed to leave because they were jewish).

Life in the USSR, especially for jews, was pretty shiat. Life likely continues being pretty shiat for a lot of people who live there currently, and those who support it are mostly to blame for it's continued shiattiness.


20% of Russian households don't have functional plumbing.
 
2022-08-16 1:28:54 PM  
He'll pull out before 2024, not before.
 
2022-08-16 1:30:11 PM  

ElecricalPast: philodough: Oh now you're worried about the war?

[Fark user image image 425x135]

So not when thousands of Ukrainians civilians were being and tortured slaughtered?
Not when loads of evidence came to light about the kids being raped to death, huh.
Not even when Russia deliberately pushes third world countries to the edge of famine over this f**king war?

So really this is all about your precious pilfered rubble you're after protecting isn't it.
You're afraid if shiat continues to go even more sideways for pumpkin face, you'll lose your corrupt AF money daddy.

JFC

F**k you Russia, we're re-taking Crimea.

Sorry, but there's zero chance anyone in Russia will ever return Crimea. Putin or otherwise

Might as well ask the US to give up Maine or California


Russia may not have much choice in the matter.  Ukraine has been striking heavily throughout the south, including Crimea and the Russians are starting to evacuate.  The Kerch bridge is currently a traffic jam going into Russia and will probably remain so for the rest of its short existence.
 
2022-08-16 1:30:25 PM  

Gawdzila: ElecricalPast: philodough: Oh now you're worried about the war?

[Fark user image image 425x135]

So not when thousands of Ukrainians civilians were being and tortured slaughtered?
Not when loads of evidence came to light about the kids being raped to death, huh.
Not even when Russia deliberately pushes third world countries to the edge of famine over this f**king war?

So really this is all about your precious pilfered rubble you're after protecting isn't it.
You're afraid if shiat continues to go even more sideways for pumpkin face, you'll lose your corrupt AF money daddy.

JFC

F**k you Russia, we're re-taking Crimea.

Sorry, but there's zero chance anyone in Russia will ever return Crimea. Putin or otherwise

Might as well ask the US to give up Maine or California

That's why they're re-taking it.


No, they're not
And it's not likely they will even seriously try
 
2022-08-16 1:33:37 PM  
If it was planted in The Mirror, it's almost certainly counterintelligence.
 
2022-08-16 1:33:52 PM  

Chthonic Echoes: FTFA:"It's believed the elite are worried about losing their freedom in the West, with sanctions put in place earlier this year continuing to take hold."

Maybe even after the dust settles, Russian "elites" should stay the fark in Russia.


maybe taking, arresting etc. of all their boats is making them unnerved to all hell.  any boat that they can link to a Russian is being hassled and sometimes confiscated.  can't an Oglicarch get some peace???
 
2022-08-16 1:34:03 PM  

fsbilly: eurotrader: the Ukraine


THE Ohio State University
 
2022-08-16 1:35:32 PM  

ElecricalPast: For the wankers cheering on a couple against Putin, I'd challenge you to take even a passing look at Russian history for the past, say, 1000 years

Now, tell me the chances the next guy after Putin won't be any less blood-thirsty


Putin was opposed to burying Lenin's corpse saying it would be an admission that observing Soviet values for 70 years was wrong. Well no shiat, Sherlock!

That moonfaced cocksucker is still Soviet at heart. Russia can't be taken with even a molecule of salt until both those sons of biatches are in the dirt where they belong.
 
2022-08-16 1:35:55 PM  

eurotrader: OldRod: eurotrader: Once Russia removes all troops from the Ukraine, including the Crimea talks will be considered until then the sanctions will get harsher and the equipment the Ukraine gets will be better.

I just hope there's a Ukraine left when they get done.  The devastation in some of these cities is horrendous

There is $100 billion in former Russian funds sitting in the US to give to the Ukraine after the war is over.


Does the US have authority to re-distribute the frozen monies?
I thought they couldn't move it.
 
2022-08-16 1:35:57 PM  

philodough: Maker_of_Roads: fsbilly: Negotiate what? GTFO and then the West can talk about how you will remove Putin from power.

What despicable people.

NGL, from everything that I've heard and read and seen on the news, most of russia has always been pretty shiat.

A lot of that info came directly from russians themselves.

I used to have a much higher opinion of russians, until I sat down and talked with some of them (to be fair though, they were refugees who fled russia. Though to be fair to them, they only needed to leave because they were jewish).

Life in the USSR, especially for jews, was pretty shiat. Life likely continues being pretty shiat for a lot of people who live there currently, and those who support it are mostly to blame for it's continued shiattiness.

20% of Russian households don't have functional plumbing.


Using that logic, I'd like to know what percentage of Taliban fighters in Afghanistan have plumbing and how that affects their fighting ability...
 
2022-08-16 1:36:32 PM  

fsbilly: eurotrader: the Ukraine Ohio State

 
2022-08-16 1:37:00 PM  

Foolkiller: fsbilly: eurotrader: the Ukraine

THE Ohio State University


Goddammit.
 
2022-08-16 1:37:25 PM  

ElecricalPast: For the wankers cheering on a couple against Putin, I'd challenge you to take even a passing look at Russian history for the past, say, 1000 years

Now, tell me the chances the next guy after Putin won't be any less blood-thirsty


Totally agreed. Putin isn't an anomaly. He's a product of that system. There are an infinite number of similar Russians waiting to do exactly as he's done.
 
2022-08-16 1:37:35 PM  

ProcrastinationStation: eurotrader: OldRod: eurotrader: Once Russia removes all troops from the Ukraine, including the Crimea talks will be considered until then the sanctions will get harsher and the equipment the Ukraine gets will be better.

I just hope there's a Ukraine left when they get done.  The devastation in some of these cities is horrendous

There is $100 billion in former Russian funds sitting in the US to give to the Ukraine after the war is over.

Does the US have authority to re-distribute the frozen monies?
I thought they couldn't move it.


That's just an act of congress away.  And if Russia gets designated as a state sponsor of terrorism I'm not even sure that would be required.
 
2022-08-16 1:38:12 PM  
I hope it is Putins medical records
 
2022-08-16 1:38:22 PM  

OptionC: ProcrastinationStation: eurotrader: OldRod: eurotrader: Once Russia removes all troops from the Ukraine, including the Crimea talks will be considered until then the sanctions will get harsher and the equipment the Ukraine gets will be better.

I just hope there's a Ukraine left when they get done.  The devastation in some of these cities is horrendous

There is $100 billion in former Russian funds sitting in the US to give to the Ukraine after the war is over.

Does the US have authority to re-distribute the frozen monies?
I thought they couldn't move it.

That's just an act of congress away.  And if Russia gets designated as a state sponsor of terrorism I'm not even sure that would be required.


ah, gotcha.
 
2022-08-16 1:38:55 PM  

ElecricalPast: philodough: Maker_of_Roads: fsbilly: Negotiate what? GTFO and then the West can talk about how you will remove Putin from power.

What despicable people.

NGL, from everything that I've heard and read and seen on the news, most of russia has always been pretty shiat.

A lot of that info came directly from russians themselves.

I used to have a much higher opinion of russians, until I sat down and talked with some of them (to be fair though, they were refugees who fled russia. Though to be fair to them, they only needed to leave because they were jewish).

Life in the USSR, especially for jews, was pretty shiat. Life likely continues being pretty shiat for a lot of people who live there currently, and those who support it are mostly to blame for it's continued shiattiness.

20% of Russian households don't have functional plumbing.

Using that logic, I'd like to know what percentage of Taliban fighters in Afghanistan have plumbing and how that affects their fighting ability...


That is a strawman.

We aren't comparing their fighting ability. You brought that up aprapos of nothing.

We were remarking on how shiat the country is.

Now if you were wanting to compare Afghanistan's level of shiattiness, that would be on topic.
 
2022-08-16 1:44:54 PM  

munko: Chthonic Echoes: FTFA:"It's believed the elite are worried about losing their freedom in the West, with sanctions put in place earlier this year continuing to take hold."

Maybe even after the dust settles, Russian "elites" should stay the fark in Russia.

maybe taking, arresting etc. of all their boats is making them unnerved to all hell.  any boat that they can link to a Russian is being hassled and sometimes confiscated.  can't an Oglicarch get some peace???


They're unnerved by the one-two punch of losing tons of stuff, followed by seeing anyone who complains lose their life. Whatever safety bubble they thought they had within the Russian oligarchy, they've all had the rude awakening that they can be brutally disappeared just as easily as any of the little people.

As things get more desperate for them, it becomes a footrace to see who kills who first. Do they manage to somehow organize a coup and rid themselves of Putin, or will Putin preemptively scoop them all up first just in case anyone's getting ideas? The longer they wait, the more impossible their situation gets, because Putin's paranoia is already through the roof. Russia's leadership is getting gutted almost as thoroughly as its military.
 
2022-08-16 1:48:24 PM  

camaroash: ElecricalPast: For the wankers cheering on a couple against Putin, I'd challenge you to take even a passing look at Russian history for the past, say, 1000 years

Now, tell me the chances the next guy after Putin won't be any less blood-thirsty

Putin was opposed to burying Lenin's corpse saying it would be an admission that observing Soviet values for 70 years was wrong. Well no shiat, Sherlock!

That moonfaced cocksucker is still Soviet at heart. Russia can't be taken with even a molecule of salt until both those sons of biatches are in the dirt where they belong.


You tell em, Steve-Dave!
 
2022-08-16 1:48:26 PM  
As others have noted, the attempt itself is disingenuous on its face. The war is between russian and Ukraine. If russia wanted to, they could end the war today by getting the fark out of Ukraine. Ukraine is unlikely to have any interest in negotiating an end to the war because they're still getting the bulk of their forces into the field, along with loads of weapons and ammunition from the West. Until they have sufficient vehicles and weapon systems, UAF will have to proceed carefully in their national orc-removal project, but they've been making mostly the right moves throughout the war so far.

Russia, by contrast, is running short of manpower ... and ammunition ... and functional weapon systems ... and spare parts ... and money. Small wonder some folks close to the demented dwarf in the Kremlin may be looking for a less painful way out of the mess they got themselves into.

Please tell the West exactly what you're willing to do to end the war today and avoid what looks like a humiliating defeat. We will be happy to pass this information along to Ukraine. If they like your ideas, perhaps they'll think about it. In the meantime, you can continue to lose 500 soldiers per day, a lot of your rear-echelon supply depots will continue to suffer spontaneous exothermic disassembly, more of your fifty-year-old weapons platforms will continue to underperform in combat, more of your quislings in orcupied territory will continue to experience major alterations to their life cycles, and more of your economy will vanish into the ether.
 
2022-08-16 1:51:45 PM  

ElecricalPast: philodough: Oh now you're worried about the war?

[Fark user image image 425x135]

So not when thousands of Ukrainians civilians were being and tortured slaughtered?
Not when loads of evidence came to light about the kids being raped to death, huh.
Not even when Russia deliberately pushes third world countries to the edge of famine over this f**king war?

So really this is all about your precious pilfered rubble you're after protecting isn't it.
You're afraid if shiat continues to go even more sideways for pumpkin face, you'll lose your corrupt AF money daddy.

JFC

F**k you Russia, we're re-taking Crimea.

Sorry, but there's zero chance anyone in Russia will ever return Crimea. Putin or otherwise

Might as well ask the US to give up Maine or California


Hey, thanks for bringing your valuable expertise to the table here. Your predictions have been absolutely spot-on in the past.

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-08-16 1:54:17 PM  

munko: He'll pull out before 2024, not before.


My initial comment was going to be about an unexpected baby about 9 months after the supposed pullout, but then I reread the comment and now I don't know when and/or if the pullout will happen.
 
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