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(Guardian)   Most people stop listening to the next generation's sh*t music in their mid 30s   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2022-08-16 9:48:59 AM  
I refuse to believe music will ever get better than limp bizkit...


//until you switch it off...
 
2022-08-16 9:57:47 AM  
I guess that depends on the music.  I still picked up new groups that I would hear after my mid 30s but the article is kind of correct - I didn't go seeking out anything.

I like all kinds of music but the only thing I actively listen to that is new is techno music (and all its subgenres).  If I hear music by a new artist, it is typically a remix.  That's the only reason I know people like Dua Lipa even exist or what Billie Eilish sounds like.
 
2022-08-16 10:08:10 AM  
That was around 2015 for me.

Yes, I have little interest in music made after that date.
 
2022-08-16 10:08:19 AM  
people in general cease to try and enjoy new things around age 35.  this includes music, food, genre's of fiction...

its hard to not fall into that kind of trap, and it takes effort to keep oneself open to new stuff later in life.
 
2022-08-16 10:08:54 AM  
Well, the Beatles are garbage.  It was just  a matter of time for people to come to their senses.
 
2022-08-16 10:10:33 AM  
Well I like NIN's newer work, but yeah, I guess that's true.
 
2022-08-16 10:11:21 AM  
In my defense, 2005 was a great time to decide to stop listening to the next generation's shiat music.
 
2022-08-16 10:13:46 AM  
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Slow Riot for New Zerø Kanada
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2022-08-16 10:15:03 AM  
I actively force myself to listen to popular music on a regular basis. Some of it is okay, fun even. A lot of it is crap. That is normal.

The main complaint I have that makes me sound like an old man with a gray flat-top haircut from a rock-n-roll high school movie is that apparently six or seven years ago half of artists heard Drake muttering over a single bass note and decided that's what music is now.

But apparently we're starting to move past that, which is nice. There are even echos of an early 2000s punky style which I can appreciate.
 
2022-08-16 10:15:37 AM  
Entertainers who can't compose, don't play instruments, can't "sing" without Autotune, and mostly are just shouting? Sure, I'd listen to that...
 
2022-08-16 10:17:13 AM  
I gave up on radio music when I went to college, then found good non radio music in my late 20s and still keep up with it in my late 30s.
 
2022-08-16 10:18:51 AM  
I don't seek new stuff out anymore, but I listen to the Indie station at work so I know most of the up and comers. But I ain't buying their album, hell, I'm not even going to steal it. My days of mocking people for their 'entry level hipster garbage taste' are firmly in the rearview mirror. I still go to shows... If it's in town... and not to expensive... and it's not too loud.... and I leave early...

sigh
 
2022-08-16 10:21:15 AM  
Lots of great new music out there.  Just don't expect it on the radio.  The handful of corporations that bought them all would consider the music 'risky' or something.
 
2022-08-16 10:21:52 AM  
The combination of widespread autotune and the way pop music has been infested by rap turns me off from all that.

Country has been on a downhill slide since 9/11.

I'm open to new rock. I wish the modern rock station I used to listen to hadn't been closed by the conglomerate that owned it. No replacement has come on the air.
 
2022-08-16 10:23:29 AM  
Look, I'm sorry, but it's not a subjective opinion that modern mumble rap music sucks. It's a purely objective opinion. It just does. It does. It does.

How To Make Mumble Rap
Youtube ZCPwpcurYns
 
2022-08-16 10:24:16 AM  
I turned 18 in 1995.  Pretty much when I stopped
 
2022-08-16 10:26:06 AM  
For many people music has been reduced to an application and hitting play.  You can cycle through comfortable favorites or let an algorithm decide everything you should hear, and that algorithm is probably going to push more well known bands rather than a new one.

Crate digging, actually looking for new music or obscure music, is now cryptic artform that absolutely nobody who has grown up with Spotify will ever experience.

There's also an absolute flood of music now out there.  The article features a picture of Andrew Weatherall.  Well, he once said we've reached the absolute democratization of music and how that turned out to be a double edged sword because a lot of all this new music is, quite frankly, absolute rubbish.  For example:

UberDave: I like all kinds of music but the only thing I actively listen to that is new is techno music (and all its subgenres).


I am a lifelong fan of techno, but it is nearly at the point of absolute irrelevance as it has become so overly saturated with copies.  Copies of "The Bells," copies of "Phylyps Trak," and so on.  For every original producer like Voiski or Kangding Ray, there's a hundred people playing cookie cutter techno and getting famous for no reason.
 
2022-08-16 10:26:38 AM  
I was decent about it up until my mid-40s. In the waning years I'd just hit up Metacritic or NPR's Best Of lists and seevif any blurbs struck me. That was surprisingly effective.

I still listen to new music, but the vast majority of it was produced years ago.
 
2022-08-16 10:30:33 AM  
Getting married and having children in your 30s ruins lots of fun stuff, including sex, drugs and Rock & Roll.
 
2022-08-16 10:33:23 AM  

Subtonic: I don't seek new stuff out anymore, but I listen to the Indie station at work so I know most of the up and comers. But I ain't buying their album, hell, I'm not even going to steal it. My days of mocking people for their 'entry level hipster garbage taste' are firmly in the rearview mirror. I still go to shows... If it's in town... and not to expensive... and it's not too loud.... and I leave early...

sigh


What's the parking like?
 
2022-08-16 10:35:55 AM  

Alphax: Lots of great new music out there.  Just don't expect it on the radio.  The handful of corporations that bought them all would consider the music 'risky' or something.


Pretty much this. Radio isn't adventurous outside of some off hours. To find new stuff I had to dig through forums and the sound I enjoy seems to become less common every year.
 
2022-08-16 10:36:09 AM  
Family matters gets in the way, mostly, plus that whole pesky "career" thing you gotta do if you want that family to thrive.  Those two things take up most of the time you would have used to focus on music appreciation.  Then there's the whole "Oh shiat where all my friends go?!?" moment in your late 30's where everyone has mpved for work or family, and you are left with a couple friends who still, lamely, enjoy going to jam bands with their wives.  I like Tedeschi Trucks as much as the next hombre, but you never get a spirited argument about how much of it's sound is owed to Philip Glass over Brian Eno until 4am with a couple guys you could talk with about anything, forever.

The death of music in our 30s is about our death of friend-groupings in our 30's.

It may not have happened to you yet, it may wait until your late 40's, but it's coming...
 
2022-08-16 10:40:00 AM  
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2022-08-16 10:40:49 AM  

jim32rr: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/2c9TyeKnGGk]


They're still great. Saw them earlier this year when they came through Chicago.
 
2022-08-16 10:41:08 AM  

deadsanta: Then there's the whole "Oh shiat where all my friends go?!?" moment in your late 30's where everyone has mpved for work or family


Damn. The accuracy of that statement. Wow.

It's reflected in the endings of most sitcoms about groups of friends -- like Friends and HIMYM* -- but you don't think too much about it until it finally happens to you.

/ * OMG SPOILERS
 
2022-08-16 10:43:07 AM  
In my mid-thirties all I ever listened to was Washington Journal and NPR during my two hour commute. Once I got on the other side of that I had no concept of nor interest in new music. I learn about new bands from late night shows and NPR.

/Coast Contra is pretty good
//saw them on Fallon I think
///Can't afford a lawn otherwise I'd suggest you remove yourself
 
2022-08-16 10:45:59 AM  
I dunno there still some good stuff out there.. Even for an old guy like me.

I DONT KNOW HOW BUT THEY FOUND ME - Leave Me Alone (Official Music Video)
Youtube iwpnuaBoKPU
 
2022-08-16 10:46:42 AM  
And something the writer doesn't seem to get is there's a difference between listening to music and going to gigs. You can't pay me to go to a gig, but I listen to music (that's new to me at least) all the time
 
2022-08-16 10:49:58 AM  

capt.snicklefritz: jim32rr: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/2c9TyeKnGGk]

They're still great. Saw them earlier this year when they came through Chicago.


Yeah I was hoping to see that show, life got in the way unfortunately.
 
2022-08-16 10:51:27 AM  

WilderKWight: Look, I'm sorry, but it's not a subjective opinion that modern mumble rap music sucks. It's a purely objective opinion. It just does. It does. It does.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZCPwpcurYns?start=261]


Yeah but that only represents a fraction of rap today, and they experienced so much blow back, that you don't hear about it much anymore.

I listen to new music all the time, I'm always trying new stuff out, because life is too short to only listen to what you are familiar with. Like most everything else, life is better with exploration.
 
2022-08-16 10:51:37 AM  
I had a conversation about this with my BIL a while back. He's a Millennial and I'm Gen X. He was saying the old "there's no good music coming out anymore" thing, and I reminded him that that's what his parents said at some point too when his "good" music was coming out. And THEIR parents had the same experience too - our grandparents thought that all the good music had come out before they got old and no good new music was coming out.

There IS good new music coming out, we just don't generally hear it. It's not being played at the times and places which are popular with us, nor being shared with us by our friends discovering it since we're all old now.

It was BS when we were young, it was BS when our parents were young - it's BS now. There are newer artists I'm listening to - good music doesn't just stop being created because we personally got older. It's just harder to find now - for us olds.
 
2022-08-16 10:53:44 AM  
I didn't give up on music, it's just harder to enjoy when kids are making noise or need attention. It just got prioritized lower.
 
2022-08-16 10:53:54 AM  
Babies kill ambition and wonder.
 
2022-08-16 10:55:26 AM  
Truck load of studies show that most peoples listening tastes in music fall  back to their teenage/early 20s tastes.  I am an old guy, 30 years north of 30, and try to listen to newer stuff.  Some is good some is crap but I try to keep an open ear.  I do have my comfort music and it all is from my earlier years with some newer stuff tossed in.
 
2022-08-16 10:57:37 AM  

Billy Liar: Subtonic: I don't seek new stuff out anymore, but I listen to the Indie station at work so I know most of the up and comers. But I ain't buying their album, hell, I'm not even going to steal it. My days of mocking people for their 'entry level hipster garbage taste' are firmly in the rearview mirror. I still go to shows... If it's in town... and not to expensive... and it's not too loud.... and I leave early...

sigh

What's the parking like?


FARK IT, WE'RE GOING TO RED ROBIN INSTEAD!
 
2022-08-16 10:59:44 AM  
Most people in the 30's are parents dealing with teenagers, work, extra curricular activities. It's almost as if people, as they get older, are busy with life and don't have time for things that seemed important to them when they were teens and in their early 20', but now have bills to pay and other important stuff to attend to. News at 11.

/I listen to new stuff all the time.
//I know the Spotify hate is real on Fark but it's been a fantastic avenue for me to discover music that I've never heard.
 
2022-08-16 11:02:33 AM  
I've been finding a lot of great music through my Apple Music subscription. Basically I'll listen a song I downloaded and then Apple will play a list of bands/songs that are similar that I don't have downloaded. I've found a lot of cool bands that way, it's worth the monthly fee.
 
2022-08-16 11:04:24 AM  

Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: The combination of widespread autotune and the way pop music has been infested by rap turns me off from all that.

Country has been on a downhill slide since 9/11.

I'm open to new rock. I wish the modern rock station I used to listen to hadn't been closed by the conglomerate that owned it. No replacement has come on the air.


Old people-like typing detected.
 
2022-08-16 11:05:28 AM  

UberDave: I guess that depends on the music.  I still picked up new groups that I would hear after my mid 30s but the article is kind of correct - I didn't go seeking out anything.

I like all kinds of music but the only thing I actively listen to that is new is techno music (and all its subgenres).  If I hear music by a new artist, it is typically a remix.  That's the only reason I know people like Dua Lipa even exist or what Billie Eilish sounds like.


This tracks with my 30's as well.  20's, rabidly consuming and plugged in to a bunch of genres, but probably 75% metal.  The rest was oddly enough, electronic music and hip hop.

mid-30's and beyond, Started to feel like i've heard 95% of every genre of metal that I like. I'm not near as plugged in, though there are a couple youtube channels that regularly post new material and every once in a while, i'll be grabbed by one of the artists they post.

a few years ago, synthwave really caught my ears and so thats where my genre digging ended up.  I do feel like I've discovered a good 10-20 artists that continue to keep my ears hearing something new to me that I dig.

Theres still so much that was created the last 60 years to discover, too.  I Have a small group of friends and a couple in particular who we're always trading "hey, you ever heard this band?".  For example, I never listened to the talking heads until recently;  loved them from the first song.  Who knew!

/music is life
 
2022-08-16 11:09:03 AM  
there's actually TONS of great new music out there*

*older stuff you just haven't discovered yet
 
2022-08-16 11:09:22 AM  
I'm Gen X.

There are plenty of 80s influenced bands that are amazing to listen to, and it's new music. You don't have to step out of your comfort zone to appreciate stuff like:

- Fitz and the Tantrums
- Jukebox the Ghost
- The Aces
- Neon Trees
- Andrew McMahon and the Wilderness
- Bleachers
- FM Attack
- Colony House
- Billy Raffoul
- The Strike
- The 1975
- The Midnight
- Banners
- COIN

And those are just off the top of my head.
 
2022-08-16 11:10:33 AM  
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2022-08-16 11:10:36 AM  
A better question is what's a definitive style of this decade's music?

The 50s had rock and roll's beginnings, doo wop, rockabilly, the crooners, and surf music.

60s had the British Invasion, Motown, Bob Dylan, and Psychedelia.

70s: Arena rock, heavy metal, disco, southern rock, outlaw country, punk, and soul.

80s: hip hop, glam metal, post-punk, beginnings of electronic dance, and pop icons.

90s: grunge and alternative, gangster rap, industrial, techno, R&B.

2000s: Nu metal, dirty south rap, indie rock, emo, Americana, dubstep.

I've yet to hear much from 2010 to now that feels like it's trying to branch out into a new direction.
 
2022-08-16 11:12:24 AM  

stoli n coke: A better question is what's a definitive style of this decade's music?

The 50s had rock and roll's beginnings, doo wop, rockabilly, the crooners, and surf music.

60s had the British Invasion, Motown, Bob Dylan, and Psychedelia.

70s: Arena rock, heavy metal, disco, southern rock, outlaw country, punk, and soul.

80s: hip hop, glam metal, post-punk, beginnings of electronic dance, and pop icons.

90s: grunge and alternative, gangster rap, industrial, techno, R&B.

2000s: Nu metal, dirty south rap, indie rock, emo, Americana, dubstep.

I've yet to hear much from 2010 to now that feels like it's trying to branch out into a new direction.


Because you can only really see the pattern in hindsight.

I remember living through the 80s and thinking the 80s had no discernible style when, of course, that'\s clear in hindsight.
 
2022-08-16 11:13:47 AM  
Used to be you could hear some pretty cool new bands on the radio. Even the big corporate stations like KROQ in So Cal would have segments dedicated to indie/unsigned bands. Then came the mergers, the DJs were given a lot less leeway, and eventually every genre station started sounding like every other genre station.

Now KROQ just plays whatever the current roster of Imagine Dragons wannabes is putting out and 90s music. I wouldn't mind so much but it's never anything interesting from the 90s like Spacehog or Autolux or Superdrag, it's always Pearl Jam and Nirvana and the god damned farking Red Hot motherfarking Chili Peppers.
 
2022-08-16 11:14:22 AM  
When old people aren't musically curious it can seem like modern music isn't adventurous ...

But that's more about us than about the kids making the music.
 
2022-08-16 11:15:31 AM  

xalres: Used to be you could hear some pretty cool new bands on the radio. Even the big corporate stations like KROQ in So Cal would have segments dedicated to indie/unsigned bands. Then came the mergers, the DJs were given a lot less leeway, and eventually every genre station started sounding like every other genre station.

Now KROQ just plays whatever the current roster of Imagine Dragons wannabes is putting out and 90s music. I wouldn't mind so much but it's never anything interesting from the 90s like Spacehog or Autolux or Superdrag, it's always Pearl Jam and Nirvana and the god damned farking Red Hot motherfarking Chili Peppers.


Radio is almost never where you find good, new music. With a couple of notable exceptions (CBC Radio 2, for example).
 
2022-08-16 11:16:48 AM  

towatchoverme: When old people aren't musically curious it can seem like modern music isn't adventurous ...

But that's more about us than about the kids making the music.


I've accepted this as fact and made it a point not to be too cantankerous about These Damned Kids With Their Music, though mumble rap is really pushing it. Get off the downers and listen to some DOOM or Busta for inspiration, lazy f&$ks.
 
2022-08-16 11:17:05 AM  

towatchoverme: xalres: Used to be you could hear some pretty cool new bands on the radio. Even the big corporate stations like KROQ in So Cal would have segments dedicated to indie/unsigned bands. Then came the mergers, the DJs were given a lot less leeway, and eventually every genre station started sounding like every other genre station.

Now KROQ just plays whatever the current roster of Imagine Dragons wannabes is putting out and 90s music. I wouldn't mind so much but it's never anything interesting from the 90s like Spacehog or Autolux or Superdrag, it's always Pearl Jam and Nirvana and the god damned farking Red Hot motherfarking Chili Peppers.

Radio is almost never where you find good, new music. With a couple of notable exceptions (CBC Radio 2, for example).


Yup. Gotta hop on streaming services to find the good stuff.
 
2022-08-16 11:17:15 AM  
The vast majority of anything is crap. The way it used to work, was the record companies sifted through the crap, and picked some of the less crappy stuff to record and promote. Nowadays anyone can go on the internet, upload a 7 minute "song" of them taking a dump, and see what happens.

It has become far to time consuming and exhausting to try and find new music without the aid of somebodies algorithms to at least sort out some of the dross. As an individual in my late 30's, I still sometimes try to find new music, but I don't really give a crap if that "new" music is only new to me, or new to the world. I do have far less patience for music I don't like right away though, when I was in my late teens/early 20's I would at least give an album or song a full listen before I decided I didn't care for it. Now, if it doesn't pull me in quickly, it gets discarded.
 
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