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(Huffington Post)   The GQP's newest talking point: Trump can still run for President if he's a felon. Read the Constitution libs   (huffpost.com) divider line
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2022-08-16 9:11:03 AM  
TFG can run for president from prison and republicans still endorsing and kissing his feet says a great deal about republicans.
 
2022-08-16 9:12:11 AM  

eurotrader: TFG can run for president from prison and republicans still endorsing and kissing his feet says a great deal about republicans.


He will have the largest campaign rallies Leavenworth has ever seen.
 
2022-08-16 9:18:27 AM  
Run? Yes.
Vote? No.
 
2022-08-16 9:25:47 AM  
Meanwhile, he should be barred from office twice over - constitutionally due to insurrection and statutorily due to his willful mishandling of natsec information.
 
2022-08-16 9:32:32 AM  
Well, not if that felony is sedition, you dolt.
 
2022-08-16 9:38:05 AM  
I wonder, do any individual states have laws forbidding felons to run for office?  Would that apply to a presidential race?

Also, didn't a couple of states pass laws that in order to be on the presidential ballot, you had to turn over your tax returns?  I'm thinking California and (maybe) Pennsylvania were talking about that at one time... did they ever get passed?
 
2022-08-16 9:39:05 AM  
My son SmallMistake (the constitutional scholar-in-training) also pointed this out. Although the crimes he is accused of prevent him from holding federal office if convicted, it is very unlikely that this will apply to the so-called "constitutional offices", i.e. the ones whose requirements are set out in the constitution.

In particular the constitution sets out specific requirements for somebody to become President, and it would therefore be unconstitutional if legislation - any legislation, not just this - could modify those requirements. Legislation simply cannot override the constitution.
 
2022-08-16 9:42:03 AM  
We're missing the big picture here. Three things:

1- Hannity and co. are already accepting the possibility of TFG being convicted of a felony

2- The GOP would happily get behind a felon for President

3 - Most importantly, they don't realize it yet but they are actually handing the Dems a free talking point here. The Dems can simply say "Yes, that's what the Constitution says. So clearly, this is not politically motivated as a way to bar Trump from running again. Thank you for clarifying that."
 
2022-08-16 9:44:05 AM  
Of course he can, Trump is Jesus Christ.
 
2022-08-16 9:45:23 AM  
If we can have a candidate running from prison, I'd prefer if we could bring back Eugene V Debs to do it.
 
2022-08-16 9:46:53 AM  
Hey, if Zaphod Beeblebrox could pull it off...
 
2022-08-16 9:51:10 AM  
There's the law and order party for you.
 
2022-08-16 9:52:05 AM  

OldRod: I wonder, do any individual states have laws forbidding felons to run for office?  Would that apply to a presidential race?

Also, didn't a couple of states pass laws that in order to be on the presidential ballot, you had to turn over your tax returns?  I'm thinking California and (maybe) Pennsylvania were talking about that at one time... did they ever get passed?


Yes, probably; no, it would only apply to state offices.
 
2022-08-16 9:52:27 AM  
Hannity is literally state media, we've seen the texts.
 
2022-08-16 9:52:40 AM  
But can he run without a pulse?
 
2022-08-16 9:52:51 AM  
He can join the same club of success as Lyndon LaRouche.
 
2022-08-16 9:53:26 AM  
I swear I remember one of the recent MN senate elections had a candidate that was running from prison.
 
2022-08-16 9:53:32 AM  
I wonder if we could sue in our states to keep him off of the ballot.
 
2022-08-16 9:53:38 AM  
Trump cant run again anyway- the 22nd Amendment prohibits it.  You'd need to amend the Constitution to allow him a third term.
 
2022-08-16 9:54:28 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Trump cant run again anyway- the 22nd Amendment prohibits it.  You'd need to amend the Constitution to allow him a third term.


TEE HEE.
 
2022-08-16 9:54:33 AM  
This piggybacks off of the talking point that Democrats are doing this to prevent him from running for President in the first place.

I was iffy if he might run again, but I think that he realizes that being President (and he thinks simply running for President) is the only thing that will prevent him from doing the perp walk that we've been VERY patient over.
 
2022-08-16 9:54:34 AM  
Oof. Republicans are getting desperate faster than expected
 
2022-08-16 9:54:41 AM  
But, sorry Republicans, Charles Manson is ineligible because dead.  I think.
 
2022-08-16 9:54:50 AM  
He's still white!!
 
2022-08-16 9:55:16 AM  

QuesoDelicioso: Hey, if Zaphod Beeblebrox could pull it off...


I wish TFG would spend a few years dead for tax reasons...
 
2022-08-16 9:55:36 AM  
So can Riley Reid and I'd bet she would get more votes than some fat, old NY f*ck rotting in a federal clink.
 
2022-08-16 9:56:11 AM  

OldRod: I wonder, do any individual states have laws forbidding felons to run for office?  Would that apply to a presidential race?

Also, didn't a couple of states pass laws that in order to be on the presidential ballot, you had to turn over your tax returns?  I'm thinking California and (maybe) Pennsylvania were talking about that at one time... did they ever get passed?


Not sure on felons, but you can expect the tax return thing to go to the SCOTUS. And that could go any way whatsoever once it gets there.
 
2022-08-16 9:56:44 AM  
Well this is a dark day in the history of journalism. Sean Hannity, bucking decades of tradition, is actually correct.

// and since that clause in the 14th which bars insurrectionists and traitors from running doesn't specify HOW we determine that a person "engaged in insurrection or rebellion", it'll be a whole long shiatshow of a court case for SCOTUS to use to bulldoze another part of the Constitution to make way for Republican rule
 
2022-08-16 9:57:14 AM  
14th Amendment, Section 3:
"No person shall be... elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, ...who, having previously taken an oath, ...as an officer of the United States, ...to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

Espionage is giving aid and comfort to our enemies, period.
 
2022-08-16 9:57:46 AM  

NewportBarGuy: So can Riley Reid and I'd bet she would get more votes than some fat, old NY f*ck rotting in a federal clink.


I don't think she's 35 yet..
 
2022-08-16 9:57:48 AM  

incendi: Meanwhile, he should be barred from office twice over - constitutionally due to insurrection and statutorily due to his willful mishandling of natsec information.


Hold my nutsac!
 
2022-08-16 9:58:51 AM  
It would be amazing if he had to run his campaign from prison, it would just be amazing. In fact, I don't want anything else for Christmas or whatever other gift giving holiday, I'm good with no other presents at all this year, if it means TFG runs his campaign from inside a prison cell, and ideally as a 3rd party candidate. Please, end up in prison, and split the R ticket at the same time. I ask for so little most of the time.
 
2022-08-16 9:58:55 AM  
Buddy Cianci ran Providence from a prison cell. Difference is, people actually liked Buddy.
 
2022-08-16 9:58:56 AM  

NewportBarGuy: So can Riley Reid and I'd bet she would get more votes than some fat, old NY f*ck rotting in a federal clink.


Hopefully she selects her bladder as her VP running mate.
 
2022-08-16 9:59:20 AM  

qorkfiend: OldRod: I wonder, do any individual states have laws forbidding felons to run for office?  Would that apply to a presidential race?

Also, didn't a couple of states pass laws that in order to be on the presidential ballot, you had to turn over your tax returns?  I'm thinking California and (maybe) Pennsylvania were talking about that at one time... did they ever get passed?

Yes, probably; no, it would only apply to state offices.


For the same reason it wouldn't apply to the Presidency, it also probably wouldn't apply to any state offices whose requirements are specified in the state constitution. Legislation cannot overrule the constitution.
 
2022-08-16 9:59:22 AM  

UseUrHeadFred: 14th Amendment, Section 3:
"No person shall be... elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, ...who, having previously taken an oath, ...as an officer of the United States, ...to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

Espionage is giving aid and comfort to our enemies, period.


Well, to be fair, this is the Constitutional Scholar Hannity consulted with:

Master Levin
Youtube iYz0RaZSMsA
 
2022-08-16 10:00:07 AM  

HugeMistake: qorkfiend: OldRod: I wonder, do any individual states have laws forbidding felons to run for office?  Would that apply to a presidential race?

Also, didn't a couple of states pass laws that in order to be on the presidential ballot, you had to turn over your tax returns?  I'm thinking California and (maybe) Pennsylvania were talking about that at one time... did they ever get passed?

Yes, probably; no, it would only apply to state offices.

For the same reason it wouldn't apply to the Presidency, it also probably wouldn't apply to any state offices whose requirements are specified in the state constitution. Legislation cannot overrule the constitution.


Yep, good point.
 
2022-08-16 10:00:49 AM  
What is it that draws people to him? I don't understand it.
 
2022-08-16 10:01:24 AM  
Violating the oath of office doesn't prevent you from running again?

/I know.  I know.
//They think it's the Oaf of Office.
///Sir
 
2022-08-16 10:01:44 AM  
kinda hard to hold those rallies from prison but at least his jumpsuit would match

I say go for it.  Best plan yet.  How can I be of assistance?
 
2022-08-16 10:01:59 AM  

OldRod: do any individual states have laws forbidding felons to run for office?


Yes. State-level offices.

OldRod: Would that apply to a presidential race?


No. At best a state could refuse to seat electors. Presidential elections are right there in the Constitution.

I don't like it either but the Framers set up our system of government to prevent a tyrant from seizing power, not from the citizenry voting in a tyrant. Didn't occur to them for whatever reason.
 
2022-08-16 10:02:28 AM  
Again the Founding Fathers (PBUT) assumed that all participants would play by the rules, even the unwritten rules concerning gentlemen's agreements and fair play.  Surely no one would propose that a thief, cheater, and liar would attempt to hold public office, and, if attempted, no citizen would vote in their favor!!!!
 
2022-08-16 10:02:51 AM  

mr_fulano: What is it that draws people to him? I don't understand it.


Imagine if you were a terrible person, and then someone comes along and not only tells you it's ok to be a terrible person but then goes on to be elected President by being a terrible person.
 
2022-08-16 10:03:20 AM  
But her emails.
 
2022-08-16 10:03:21 AM  
A Huffpo opinion about a GQP opinion?

It's an ouroboros of stupid wrapped in an enigma of error stuffed into a deep fried turkey of dumbness. Just a "Turd" without the "ucken".
 
2022-08-16 10:04:10 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Hannity is literally state media, we've seen the texts.


RT is a bit more than state media, they're a whole wing of the GRU. Sean just likes their talking points and advice from time to time, you know professional to professional.
 
2022-08-16 10:04:30 AM  

HugeMistake: My son SmallMistake (the constitutional scholar-in-training) also pointed this out. Although the crimes he is accused of prevent him from holding federal office if convicted, it is very unlikely that this will apply to the so-called "constitutional offices", i.e. the ones whose requirements are set out in the constitution.

In particular the constitution sets out specific requirements for somebody to become President, and it would therefore be unconstitutional if legislation - any legislation, not just this - could modify those requirements. Legislation simply cannot override the constitution.


Depends on who is in charge of enforcing the legislation and the constitution.
 
2022-08-16 10:04:33 AM  
Remember when he ridiculed Biden for campaigning from his basement? What would it be like for Trump to campaign from solitary?
 
2022-08-16 10:05:02 AM  

blackminded: OldRod: do any individual states have laws forbidding felons to run for office?

Yes. State-level offices.

OldRod: Would that apply to a presidential race?

No. At best a state could refuse to seat electors. Presidential elections are right there in the Constitution.

I don't like it either but the Framers set up our system of government to prevent a tyrant from seizing power, not from the citizenry voting in a tyrant. Didn't occur to them for whatever reason.


Interesting, I hadn't considered that angle before.
 
2022-08-16 10:05:48 AM  

mr_fulano: What is it that draws people to him? I don't understand it.


So many racists were deeply offended that Obama was elected twice and had a scandal-free presidency that they intentionally elected the worst possible white candidate to make a point.
 
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