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2022-08-16 8:36:56 AM  
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2022-08-16 8:54:13 AM  
Too late, we already know the ending sucks.
 
2022-08-16 8:57:35 AM  
HBO finished it better than he could.
 
2022-08-16 9:11:49 AM  
Georgie...your prediction is quite simple:

Never
 
2022-08-16 9:33:21 AM  
That's good. Most people have given up on ever reading it.
 
2022-08-16 9:42:51 AM  
"I do find it a little grisly, people speculating online about what's going to happen to the rest of the books when I die."

Is it really speculation?  It'll be finished by a prolific writer/writers with writing discipline unless you stipulate otherwise.  Brandon Sanderson or someone similar.

I don't envy the position GRRM has put himself in.  If I were in his shoes, I'd already be tapping other writers for ghostwriting or collaboration simply to get it done.  It clearly has affected him, and it's not worth stressing about anymore.  Close that chapter in your life and move on.
 
2022-08-16 9:51:00 AM  
We're gonna need Brandon Sanderson to step in again, aren't we?
 
2022-08-16 9:54:05 AM  
 
2022-08-16 9:55:37 AM  

sorceror: We're gonna need Brandon Sanderson to step in again, aren't we?


Kelek's Breath, no we do not!
 
2022-08-16 9:58:57 AM  

sorceror: We're gonna need Brandon Sanderson to step in again, aren't we?


That is too obvious a choice, and I think this series needs a breath of fresh air.  What about Joyce Carol Oates or Garrison Keillor?
 
2022-08-16 9:59:21 AM  

Squid_for_Brains: That's good. Most people have given up on ever reading it.


I've said this before, but by the end of A Dance With Dragons there were too many damn people with too many damn sub plots with too many damn sub plots that just went nowhere and too many damn descriptions of soup that I hated everyone and I wanted them all to die post haste.

Except the onion knight Davos, he seemed like the only honest character, as honest as a smuggler can be.
 
2022-08-16 10:00:50 AM  
SHUT THE FARK UP FAT MAN
 
2022-08-16 10:03:51 AM  
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And he still never finished it.
 
2022-08-16 10:04:08 AM  
I guess 89 attempts was his limit.
 
2022-08-16 10:04:17 AM  

Munden: "I do find it a little grisly, people speculating online about what's going to happen to the rest of the books when I die."

Is it really speculation?  It'll be finished by a prolific writer/writers with writing discipline unless you stipulate otherwise.  Brandon Sanderson or someone similar.

I don't envy the position GRRM has put himself in.  If I were in his shoes, I'd already be tapping other writers for ghostwriting or collaboration simply to get it done.  It clearly has affected him, and it's not worth stressing about anymore.  Close that chapter in your life and move on.


He's never been able to finish any series he's started in the last 30 years.  I think he's just farking lazy, personally, but he may be mentally ill in some fashion.  No one takes 12 years to finish a book, unless it's a major research effort on the Roman Empire or somesuch, and based on his age and BMI it's not "grim" to predict his emminent demise, I'm sure his insurer has already figured it to the hour.
 
2022-08-16 10:06:20 AM  
George R.R. Martin has "given up" predicting when he'll finish 'A Song of Ice and Fire'

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2022-08-16 10:06:31 AM  
Well since he's also given up on writing it, it's really no surprise.  He can't use the excuse that he has writer's block since he's written a bunch of other books in the interim.  He can't even say he's sick of writing about that world since pretty much everything he's been writing takes place in that world.  No, what I think happened is that once he saw on screen the ending he told to HBO, he realized it ain't all that good.  Sure, there's a lot of blame to place on HBO for executing his vision poorly, but the hard truth is that GRRM had written himself into more than a few knots after the last books and neither he nor the writers for GOT could find an elegant way to unravel the mess.  The books are actually worse in this regard.  There's about double the number of characters and story lines all tangled together.

I blame the book editors for allowing ASOFAI to get out of control.  A huge swath of the last two books ought to have been relegated to appendices and the focus should have been more squarely on Westeros, The Iron Throne, the dragons and the White Walkers.
 
2022-08-16 10:08:21 AM  
When did my first Amazon pre-order for this expire?  2015?  2016?  That was like 13% of my life ago.

Honestly, George RR, don't bother.  As others already said, that ship has sailed.  Yes I will watch the new thing on HBO, as long as it has adequate levels of nudity and incest.
 
2022-08-16 10:09:56 AM  

sorceror: We're gonna need Brandon Sanderson to step in again, aren't we?


Come on people, say it with me: Let's Go Brandon!

/so sorry
 
2022-08-16 10:10:39 AM  

deadsanta: Munden: "I do find it a little grisly, people speculating online about what's going to happen to the rest of the books when I die."

Is it really speculation?  It'll be finished by a prolific writer/writers with writing discipline unless you stipulate otherwise.  Brandon Sanderson or someone similar.

I don't envy the position GRRM has put himself in.  If I were in his shoes, I'd already be tapping other writers for ghostwriting or collaboration simply to get it done.  It clearly has affected him, and it's not worth stressing about anymore.  Close that chapter in your life and move on.

He's never been able to finish any series he's started in the last 30 years.  I think he's just farking lazy, personally, but he may be mentally ill in some fashion.  No one takes 12 years to finish a book, unless it's a major research effort on the Roman Empire or somesuch, and based on his age and BMI it's not "grim" to predict his emminent demise, I'm sure his insurer has already figured it to the hour.


"Lazy" doesn't seem fair. Lazy people don't produce as much as he has. He's been far more busy working on various projects than lazy people are. But he does seem to have some sort of motivation problem that keeps him from buckling down and finishing this particular project.
 
2022-08-16 10:13:00 AM  

Persnickety: sorceror: We're gonna need Brandon Sanderson to step in again, aren't we?

Come on people, say it with me: Let's Go Brandon!

/so sorry


Dang, Glenn Cook is 78. Meh, he could still knock them out.
 
2022-08-16 10:15:51 AM  
If I were him, I'd publish the rest of the story as a 15 page short story and then move on with my life.
 
2022-08-16 10:25:19 AM  
He's never going to finish it.

Time for his fans to consider the possibility that the ending of the show was his vision for the ending of the story and Bennioff and Weiss followed his wishes to the letter.

By the time the series got to Dance of Dragons, GRRM had overloaded it with way too many side characters and subplots. Far more than can be satisfactorily wrapped up in 2 books.

He wrote himself into a corner and is embarrassed that the show ending was the best he could come up with.
 
2022-08-16 10:28:32 AM  
phlegmjay:

"Lazy" doesn't seem fair. Lazy people don't produce as much as he has. He's been far more busy working on various projects than lazy people are. But he does seem to have some sort of motivation problem that keeps him from buckling down and finishing this particular project.

No, he's lazy: He's written no more than 50 "original" pages of work in the last decade, a novella based on his westeros world.  Everything else has been "quote collections" and world-background with several authors collating his insane notes and helping him publish it, plus some reissues with touchups, or anthologies, of work he did 25 years ago.

Basically, GRRM is in his "greatest hits" period of work, and has been for over a decade.  I don't think he's contributed anything but guest-editing to the Wild Cards series he started in the last 10 years or more either.
 
2022-08-16 10:28:52 AM  

stoli n coke: He's never going to finish it.

Time for his fans to consider the possibility that the ending of the show was his vision for the ending of the story and Bennioff and Weiss followed his wishes to the letter.

By the time the series got to Dance of Dragons, GRRM had overloaded it with way too many side characters and subplots. Far more than can be satisfactorily wrapped up in 2 books.

He wrote himself into a corner and is embarrassed that the show ending was the best he could come up with.


I've been reading them since shortly after book 2 came out and I gave up on them being finished during the show. He wrote 3 amazing fantasy books, maybe some of the best.
 
2022-08-16 10:31:34 AM  

sorceror: We're gonna need Brandon Sanderson to step in again, aren't we?


Patrick Rothfuss.
 
2022-08-16 10:37:52 AM  
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2022-08-16 10:40:13 AM  

deadsanta: Munden: "I do find it a little grisly, people speculating online about what's going to happen to the rest of the books when I die."

Is it really speculation?  It'll be finished by a prolific writer/writers with writing discipline unless you stipulate otherwise.  Brandon Sanderson or someone similar.

I don't envy the position GRRM has put himself in.  If I were in his shoes, I'd already be tapping other writers for ghostwriting or collaboration simply to get it done.  It clearly has affected him, and it's not worth stressing about anymore.  Close that chapter in your life and move on.

He's never been able to finish any series he's started in the last 30 years.  I think he's just farking lazy, personally, but he may be mentally ill in some fashion.  No one takes 12 years to finish a book, unless it's a major research effort on the Roman Empire or somesuch, and based on his age and BMI it's not "grim" to predict his emminent demise, I'm sure his insurer has already figured it to the hour.


He's not lazy, he just wrote himself into a corner where the rest of the story would have to be shoe-horned into the ending he envisioned. He spent too much time on characters who ultimately don't matter in order to cultivate that aura of "anyone can die" we got from the earlier books, so he's somewhat bogged down with those as well. Then he figured out he doesn't have to finish the books to continue making money or writing, so "eh, oh well".

Also, he spent too long between books, people had lots of time to think about things, and pretty much had figured out R+L=J, and he got pissy and petulant that his big twist was ruined. Hey, GRR, strong hints plus time = people solve things before you finish.

sorceror: We're gonna need Brandon Sanderson to step in again, aren't we?


Still won't buy them, at this point.
 
2022-08-16 10:47:52 AM  
Oh shiat Wax & Wayne 4 is actually releasing in Nov?

Anyway yeah, it's a real shame about Martin but we've been saying the same things since the delay between the third and fourth novel. Sometimes success is the worst thing to happen to an author. I don't see how anyone with even a shred of insecurity ever finishes a book once they gain an audience. Martin is a little old to try the Stephen King Cocaine & Booze method.
 
2022-08-16 10:49:02 AM  

stoli n coke: He's never going to finish it.

Time for his fans to consider the possibility that the ending of the show was his vision for the ending of the story and Bennioff and Weiss followed his wishes to the letter.

By the time the series got to Dance of Dragons, GRRM had overloaded it with way too many side characters and subplots. Far more than can be satisfactorily wrapped up in 2 books.

He wrote himself into a corner and is embarrassed that the show ending was the best he could come up with.


The show ending was fine.  The major issue was the pacing.  That final short season should have been two full seasons.  Do that, and the twists and character arcs actually work very well.
 
2022-08-16 10:50:25 AM  

sorceror: We're gonna need Brandon Sanderson to step in again, aren't we?


At least he'd have it done in about 6 weeks, and A Dream of Spring would be out next year
 
2022-08-16 10:50:25 AM  

NeoCortex42: stoli n coke: He's never going to finish it.

Time for his fans to consider the possibility that the ending of the show was his vision for the ending of the story and Bennioff and Weiss followed his wishes to the letter.

By the time the series got to Dance of Dragons, GRRM had overloaded it with way too many side characters and subplots. Far more than can be satisfactorily wrapped up in 2 books.

He wrote himself into a corner and is embarrassed that the show ending was the best he could come up with.

The show ending was fine.  The major issue was the pacing.  That final short season should have been two full seasons.  Do that, and the twists and character arcs actually work very well.


Agree, even Danny's arc was in character-it just wasn't developed properly.
 
2022-08-16 10:53:31 AM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: sorceror: We're gonna need Brandon Sanderson to step in again, aren't we?

That is too obvious a choice, and I think this series needs a breath of fresh air.  What about Joyce Carol Oates or Garrison Keillor?


It's been a quiet week in Winterfell, my home town...
 
2022-08-16 10:54:48 AM  

NeoCortex42: stoli n coke: He's never going to finish it.

Time for his fans to consider the possibility that the ending of the show was his vision for the ending of the story and Bennioff and Weiss followed his wishes to the letter.

By the time the series got to Dance of Dragons, GRRM had overloaded it with way too many side characters and subplots. Far more than can be satisfactorily wrapped up in 2 books.

He wrote himself into a corner and is embarrassed that the show ending was the best he could come up with.

The show ending was fine.  The major issue was the pacing.  That final short season should have been two full seasons. Do that, and the twists and character arcs actually work very well.



Exactly.  Season 8 should have been the the white walkers coming south and the battle/war with them and the immediate aftermath.  Season 9 should have been the remaining army and dragons moving south and the battles leading up to and including the final showdown at King's Landing.

The fact that the entire white walker threat was wrapped up in one episode was just disappointing.
 
2022-08-16 10:55:37 AM  
Can't wait for Blood and Cheese in the upcoming series.
 
2022-08-16 10:58:25 AM  

Crocoduck: Can't wait for Blood and Cheese in the upcoming series.


Right on. He should switch to cooking books for he retirement years.

"20 ways to prepare Ox Hoof"
 
2022-08-16 11:02:28 AM  

palelizard: deadsanta: Munden: "I do find it a little grisly, people speculating online about what's going to happen to the rest of the books when I die."

Is it really speculation?  It'll be finished by a prolific writer/writers with writing discipline unless you stipulate otherwise.  Brandon Sanderson or someone similar.

I don't envy the position GRRM has put himself in.  If I were in his shoes, I'd already be tapping other writers for ghostwriting or collaboration simply to get it done.  It clearly has affected him, and it's not worth stressing about anymore.  Close that chapter in your life and move on.

He's never been able to finish any series he's started in the last 30 years.  I think he's just farking lazy, personally, but he may be mentally ill in some fashion.  No one takes 12 years to finish a book, unless it's a major research effort on the Roman Empire or somesuch, and based on his age and BMI it's not "grim" to predict his emminent demise, I'm sure his insurer has already figured it to the hour.

He's not lazy, he just wrote himself into a corner where the rest of the story would have to be shoe-horned into the ending he envisioned. He spent too much time on characters who ultimately don't matter in order to cultivate that aura of "anyone can die" we got from the earlier books, so he's somewhat bogged down with those as well. Then he figured out he doesn't have to finish the books to continue making money or writing, so "eh, oh well".

Also, he spent too long between books, people had lots of time to think about things, and pretty much had figured out R+L=J, and he got pissy and petulant that his big twist was ruined. Hey, GRR, strong hints plus time = people solve things before you finish.

sorceror: We're gonna need Brandon Sanderson to step in again, aren't we?

Still won't buy them, at this point.


The funny thing about R+L=J is that it ultimately didn't matter. About the only fallout from it was Jon being able to ride a dragon.
 
2022-08-16 11:08:05 AM  
Brandon Sanderson is now a better, and more prolific author than Martin. There's no way he'd step in on this one. He has better things to do
 
2022-08-16 11:08:32 AM  
Imagine spending all that time making a series of books, grabbing critical acclaim, and getting a hugely successful HBO series out of it before finishing your own finale. Only to then have the HBO series be so bad at the end that it ruins the story for everyone and makes whatever finale you are coming up with likely be tainted and ruined forever.

LOL
 
2022-08-16 11:15:10 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: HBO finished it better than he could.


Because they did finish. As terrible as it was, at least there was an ending.
 
2022-08-16 11:18:42 AM  

DonkeyDixon: Brandon Sanderson is now a better, and more prolific author than Martin. There's no way he'd step in on this one. He has better things to do


I mean I get it Sanderson is good and has a strong following, but he lacks the awards and length of career. Not to mention the public knows George RR Martin's name. Only fans of fantasy/Sci-Fi no Sanderson. He may very well get there but I'm not going to say he's better than Martin. You can't just toss out completed works. Martin has approached Tolkien levels.
 
2022-08-16 11:22:46 AM  
I think LeVar Burton should finish them
 
2022-08-16 11:23:04 AM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: sorceror: We're gonna need Brandon Sanderson to step in again, aren't we?

That is too obvious a choice, and I think this series needs a breath of fresh air.  What about Joyce Carol Oates or Garrison Keillor?


Pfft.  Amateurs.  If anyone can turn the crank to get these done, it's James Patterson.

As a bonus I suspect that we'd still be getting ASOFAI books from him even after he's reported to be dead.
 
2022-08-16 11:27:30 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: The funny thing about R+L=J is that it ultimately didn't matter. About the only fallout from it was Jon being able to ride a dragon.


Well, Jon stopped boffing his aunt, and she took the loss of that D pretty ha-... poorly.

debug: The fact that the entire white walker threat was wrapped up in one episode was just disappointing.


Yup.

98% of episodes:
The North: Oooh, hey, evil supernatural threat, the Nightking will destroy us all!
Everyone south of Winterfell: What are you on about? It's just a little cold.
Esteros: The who?

Remainder:
The North: Got that sorted out, whew, that was close. You're welcome.
Everyone south of Winterfell: What are you on about? It's just a little cold.
Esteros: The who?

The War of Five Kings or whatever brought far more destruction and devastation to Westeros.
 
2022-08-16 11:28:45 AM  
He's in his 70's and he has yet to spend the money he made over 20 years ago. Money doesn't motivate him and he is fine if you don't buy his books.
 
2022-08-16 11:29:35 AM  

NeoCortex42: stoli n coke: He's never going to finish it.

Time for his fans to consider the possibility that the ending of the show was his vision for the ending of the story and Bennioff and Weiss followed his wishes to the letter.

By the time the series got to Dance of Dragons, GRRM had overloaded it with way too many side characters and subplots. Far more than can be satisfactorily wrapped up in 2 books.

He wrote himself into a corner and is embarrassed that the show ending was the best he could come up with.

The show ending was fine.  The major issue was the pacing.  That final short season should have been two full seasons.  Do that, and the twists and character arcs actually work very well.


The other problem was the dialogue. It certainly wasn't up to Martins standards.
 
2022-08-16 11:29:45 AM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: sorceror: We're gonna need Brandon Sanderson to step in again, aren't we?

That is too obvious a choice, and I think this series needs a breath of fresh air.  What about Joyce Carol Oates or Garrison Keillor?


Well, that and Brandon Sanderson sucks. That's also an issue.
 
2022-08-16 11:31:00 AM  

Chemlight Battery: If I were him, I'd publish the rest of the story as a 15 page short story and then move on with my life.


Saw that happen with a SF series on Kindle Unlimited. Last book was highly anticipated, was delayed a while, then released as a regular Kindle book for pay. Turns out the author had decided he hated that world he had made, produced a crappy novella handwaving away the big conflict, blew up the well developed romantic tension subplot with a personality change and a brand new character, and basically burned away all reader goodwill. I unfollowed the author and won't read anything else from them. I'm not expecting any better from GRRM at this point and won't bother with Winds of Winter.
 
2022-08-16 11:31:10 AM  
Publish what you have and just put the last page as a Hyperlink to a YouTube video ripped from HBO, monetize the YouTube channel with Ads, and be done with it.
 
mhd
2022-08-16 11:32:22 AM  

sorceror: We're gonna need Brandon Sanderson to step in again, aren't we?


Oh jeepers, I'd vote for Kevin J before that.
 
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