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2022-08-16 11:31:47 AM  
Or they already tried and found out that none of them work.
 
2022-08-16 11:52:21 AM  
and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.
 
2022-08-16 11:53:52 AM  

toraque: Or they already tried and found out that none of them work.


I do have to wonder how many rockets/ICBM's are still in good working order, and how well maintained each warhead has been.

Could the corruption have gone down so far that the folks in charge of keeping the weapons ready are now scrambling to see if they can get them working?
 
2022-08-16 11:55:54 AM  

asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.


We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.
 
2022-08-16 11:55:54 AM  

asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.


Well that was something you typed.

The Ukrainians are who will decide their own future. You have as much right as Russia to decide it, none at all.
 
2022-08-16 11:56:29 AM  
Nukes means it's all over. Holding a former US President hostage is much safer for his country and assures him a prominent place in history books.
 
2022-08-16 11:57:04 AM  
They've farking thought about it.

We can only hope whatever mental calculations they do keep telling them "NAH, BAD IDEA" and anyone who goes "Hey what if-" are told to sit down and shut up.
 
2022-08-16 11:57:13 AM  

iron_city_ap: Nukes means it's all over. Holding a former US President hostage is much safer for his country and assures him a prominent place in history books.


Shoot the hostage
 
2022-08-16 11:57:47 AM  
Well, that's not frightening at all. The only rational statement about nuclear weapons from a superpower is "we would only use them as a last resort to protect ourselves."
 
2022-08-16 11:57:57 AM  
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2022-08-16 11:59:28 AM  

ImpendingCynic: Well, that's not frightening at all. The only rational statement about nuclear weapons from a superpower is "we would only use them as a last resort to protect ourselves."


To clarify, I meant "nuclear superpower" in the sense of a large arsenal.

In all other respects, Russia is a laughably failed state.
 
2022-08-16 11:59:43 AM  
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2022-08-16 12:00:10 PM  
No need for nuclear weapons, because we now have the nuclear plant we can turn critical any time we want.
 
2022-08-16 12:01:59 PM  

Fano: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.


my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%.  South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.

and those missiles and shiat, they are free in Crackerjack boxes, right?
 
2022-08-16 12:02:23 PM  

lilbjorn: No need for nuclear weapons, because we now have the nuclear plant we can turn critical any time we want.


you don't know anything about nuclear power do you.
 
2022-08-16 12:02:42 PM  

toraque: Or they already tried and found out that none of them work.


Sold to best Korea.
 
2022-08-16 12:04:30 PM  

asciibaron: Fano: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.

my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%.  South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.

and those missiles and shiat, they are free in Crackerjack boxes, right?


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2022-08-16 12:05:07 PM  

asciibaron: Fano: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.

my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%.  South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.

and those missiles and shiat, they are free in Crackerjack boxes, right?


Surely this has nothing to do with the supply chain and a volatile energy market.

/Surely.
 
2022-08-16 12:08:24 PM  

Endive Wombat: toraque: Or they already tried and found out that none of them work.

I do have to wonder how many rockets/ICBM's are still in good working order, and how well maintained each warhead has been.

Could the corruption have gone down so far that the folks in charge of keeping the weapons ready are now scrambling to see if they can get them working?


That bottle of Tritium they needed 2 years ago but took the cash instead of, isn't something they
can run down to the Kwik-E-Mart and just pick up..Who knows if the plutonium pits they use have
ever been refreshed and re-formed to account for age and decay..Are they still using the same
ones from 1965? That kind of stiff takes a LOT of trained and smart people with very specific skill
and knowledge that would have to be passed on from generation to generation like the secret formula
and methods for making perfect sword steel...You can't just go down to the local school and get someone
who could do that work tomorrow..
 
2022-08-16 12:08:27 PM  

misanthropic1: asciibaron: Fano: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.

my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%.  South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.

and those missiles and shiat, they are free in Crackerjack boxes, right?

Surely this has nothing to do with the supply chain and a volatile energy market.

/Surely.


it has to do with Europe punching themselves in the dick, twice and the US laughing all the way to the bank.

who is footing the bill for the BILLIONS of weapons, the BILLIONS in other aid?  the US taxpayer.  as a taxpayer, i'm tired of being fleeced by Europe's inability to not need the US to be their parent.

all that social spending they do, that is the luxury when they don't need to spend that money on a military.  you're welcome?
 
2022-08-16 12:08:52 PM  

iron_city_ap: Nukes means it's all over. Holding a former US President hostage is much safer for his country and assures him a prominent place in history books.


That assumes a former president is valuable to his country. If I may paraphrase Pirates of the Caribbean  3, "Drop your weapons or I kill your man!"

"... Kill him. He's not our man!"
 
2022-08-16 12:10:40 PM  

asciibaron: misanthropic1: asciibaron: Fano: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.

my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%.  South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.

and those missiles and shiat, they are free in Crackerjack boxes, right?

Surely this has nothing to do with the supply chain and a volatile energy market.

/Surely.

it has to do with Europe punching themselves in the dick, twice and the US laughing all the way to the bank.

who is footing the bill for the BILLIONS of weapons, the BILLIONS in other aid?  the US taxpayer.  as a taxpayer, i'm tired of being fleeced by Europe's inability to not need the US to be their parent.

all that social spending they do, that is the luxury when they don't need to spend that money on a military.  you're welcome?


How much do you get paid to post this shiat?
 
2022-08-16 12:13:18 PM  

asciibaron: Fano: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.

my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%.  South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.

and those missiles and shiat, they are free in Crackerjack boxes, right?


Coal exports are pathetically tiny money compared to energy imports, which are costing all levels of the economy billions.
The stored weapons given to Ukraine were mostly built, purchased, and stored as a means to destroy Russian equipment if needed. Using them to destroy Russian equipment is not a waste, and decreases the need to have them. If Poland gives the Ukrainians a missile to destroy a Russian tank, that's one less tank that they need to store a missile to protect themselves against. If the Russian military wrecks itself on the shores of Ukraine, that's just less weapons and worries that the whole of Europe needs to have.
In fact, if you can have another country fight your potential war for you, and thank you for helping them do it, while you give them a lot of stored junk and a few shiney toys you have plenty of, you should be grateful that you don't have to worry as much that you'll have to do it yourself.
Put another way, the money the US has spent on Ukraine has been so much more effective than the money we have been spending on countering Russia for years, that we should invest as much as we possibly can.  With Russia crippling itself over time in Ukraine, we can pivot to taking China seriously as the new second power of the world (and eventually the first).
 
2022-08-16 12:13:28 PM  

asciibaron: Fano: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.

my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%.  South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.

and those missiles and shiat, they are free in Crackerjack boxes, right?


Thwarting the conquest ambitions of a war criminal, for starters.
 
2022-08-16 12:14:53 PM  

asciibaron: misanthropic1: asciibaron: Fano: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.

my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%.  South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.

and those missiles and shiat, they are free in Crackerjack boxes, right?

Surely this has nothing to do with the supply chain and a volatile energy market.

/Surely.

it has to do with Europe punching themselves in the dick, twice and the US laughing all the way to the bank.

who is footing the bill for the BILLIONS of weapons, the BILLIONS in other aid?  the US taxpayer.  as a taxpayer, i'm tired of being fleeced by Europe's inability to not need the US to be their parent.

all that social spending they do, that is the luxury when they don't need to spend that money on a military.  you're welcome?


None of which has anything to do with making "more money from the slaughter".

/goalposts on parade, there they go
 
2022-08-16 12:15:54 PM  

Endive Wombat: toraque: Or they already tried and found out that none of them work.

I do have to wonder how many rockets/ICBM's are still in good working order, and how well maintained each warhead has been.

Could the corruption have gone down so far that the folks in charge of keeping the weapons ready are now scrambling to see if they can get them working?


Oh absolutely and frankly I feel like it got there sooner rather than later.
Weapons like this take a lot to maintain.  I've never worked on nuclear weapons and if I did I'd not be able to comment but I've worked on military hardware like aircraft and their support  infrastructure.

A lot of the actual "fixing" you do is merely periodic maintenance that arrive on a fixed (by days) or phase (by hours of use) schedule.
For example one of the jets I worked in had to be washed every two weeks on land or one week if at sea.  This took about 10 people around five hours to do and was a big enough deal that once you started having more than 10 jets in a squadron you were always washing one.
Could a jet fly without being washed? Absolutely! However corrosion will start to set in and you're missing an important inspection period where you may catch little bits of damage before they get big.

Every 14 days no matter what even if the jet has been up on jacks in the hangar for 3 months you lube it and perform some other little things.  Will it be fine without that? Probably. You may get away with only doing a "14day" on my old platform once every few months however you're no longer in control of the maintenance of that asset just merely playing catch-up.

Nuclear delivery systems and their warheads may not need a bath every 2 weeks but there are periodic inspections that are probably expensive and boring as fark to do. It would be easy for someone who's lazy/greedy to pencil whip these and instead of having a 100% staffed maintenance team have one at 30% to deal with problems once they visibly arise instead of catching them before.

Over the lifetime of a military asset you often pay as much or more keeping the farker ready than you did to build it. Especially with aircraft and nukes that are supposed to last decades.
 
2022-08-16 12:16:25 PM  

Alebak: They've farking thought about it.

We can only hope whatever mental calculations they do keep telling them "NAH, BAD IDEA" and anyone who goes "Hey what if-" are told to sit down and shut up.


The best we can hope for, and it's still optimistic, is that they have enough sense to realize it's a bad idea to reveal what proportion of their nukes don't work.
 
2022-08-16 12:21:14 PM  

asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.


Da, very truth, much nice.
 
2022-08-16 12:21:56 PM  
I could see an increasingly desperate Putin giving the order, but as has been pointed out, most of their nukes are probably falling apart, been sold for parts, or otherwise not operational. Even for the ones that are, it generally takes multiple people to actually carry out the order, and knowing it means the total annihilation of Russia, and probably hundreds of the damn things getting launched in total, there's a good chance the people tasked with actually launching simply... won't.

If in spite of all of that, they DO launch, their nation ceases to exist in a matter of hours, and while the death toll would be utterly horrific, and definitely not confined to Russia, it's not going to be an apocalypse... Russia doesn't have enough functional weapons and won't remain in existence long enough for that.
 
2022-08-16 12:25:02 PM  
I feel like launching a Nuclear assault on Ukraine isn't worth the risk; not so much of retaliation from other entities, but from their own damned corrupt/dismantled infrastructure would lead to the thing detonating before it reaches altitude.
 
2022-08-16 12:31:53 PM  

zeroman987: asciibaron: misanthropic1: asciibaron: Fano: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.

my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%.  South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.

and those missiles and shiat, they are free in Crackerjack boxes, right?

Surely this has nothing to do with the supply chain and a volatile energy market.

/Surely.

it has to do with Europe punching themselves in the dick, twice and the US laughing all the way to the bank.

who is footing the bill for the BILLIONS of weapons, the BILLIONS in other aid?  the US taxpayer.  as a taxpayer, i'm tired of being fleeced by Europe's inability to not need the US to be their parent.

all that social spending they do, that is the luxury when they don't need to spend that money on a military.  you're welcome?

How much do you get paid to post this shiat?


i see, since this is a subject you'd rather not think about in any meaningful way you hand wave it away as me being some sort of shill.

i bet you think Snowden is still a hero, even after becoming a Russian citizen.
 
2022-08-16 12:32:22 PM  

Endive Wombat: toraque: Or they already tried and found out that none of them work.

I do have to wonder how many rockets/ICBM's are still in good working order, and how well maintained each warhead has been.

Could the corruption have gone down so far that the folks in charge of keeping the weapons ready are now scrambling to see if they can get them working?


https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57240

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See that $42.1 number? That's the annual cost in billions of dollars for the US to maintain its nuclear arsenal in working order. Russia's nuke force is similar to ours in scope and size. But Russia's entire annual military budget is $63 billion. You do the math.

Also, there is the little matter of the infrastructure cost for doing the every-five-years tritium refurbishment of hydrogen warheads. Without that VERY expensive (more tens of billions of dollars) refurbishment, every H-bomb is merely a much less powerful A-bomb.

The chances for corruption here are simply astounding. And the perps must have thought that the chance of being detected was slim to none, because these are weapons that would never be used, right? And if they were, who the fark would care about a little graft and corruption.

And all this has been over a period of 30 years of the system being ripped off at all levels.

Right now, I would bet my life that Russia's functional nuke force is in the tens or dozens, if that.
 
2022-08-16 12:34:27 PM  

asciibaron: lilbjorn: No need for nuclear weapons, because we now have the nuclear plant we can turn critical any time we want.

you don't know anything about nuclear power do you.


Do you?
 
2022-08-16 12:42:08 PM  

asciibaron: misanthropic1: asciibaron: Fano: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.

my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%.  South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.

and those missiles and shiat, they are free in Crackerjack boxes, right?

Surely this has nothing to do with the supply chain and a volatile energy market.

/Surely.

it has to do with Europe punching themselves in the dick, twice and the US laughing all the way to the bank.

who is footing the bill for the BILLIONS of weapons, the BILLIONS in other aid?  the US taxpayer.  as a taxpayer, i'm tired of being fleeced by Europe's inability to not need the US to be their parent.

all that social spending they do, that is the luxury when they don't need to spend that money on a military.  you're welcome?


The US made a "choice" a long time ago to get as much convenient disposable stuff for as cheap as possible by virtue of carrying the big military stick and waving around taxpayer dollars and consumer debt.  The Euros got less cheap stuff, but they demanded actual services for their tax dollars and things like education, medicine, etc. are cheaper as a result--at least for now.

Anyway, we're the bastards with the engorged military industrial complex, so what do you expect?
 
2022-08-16 12:42:40 PM  

asciibaron: Fano: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.

my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%.  South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.

and those missiles and shiat, they are free in Crackerjack boxes, right?


The previous statement just flew right over your head, didn't it?
 
2022-08-16 12:43:27 PM  
misanthropic1:
None of which has anything to do with making "more money from the slaughter".

/goalposts on parade, there they go


it absolutely does.  the US created this situation, the EU allowed it to fester all the while sucking from the energy nipple of Russia.  now Germany is farked because they thought they could solar and wind their way into the 22nd century and turned off their nuclear reactors without anything to cover the gap.  What has France and Germany done to help Ukraine in a real and meaningful way?  farking POLAND has stepped up (just enough but not too much because they need Uncle Pooties NG too)

can't have it both ways unless you are too stupid to drop your moronic understanding of what the war in Ukraine is all about.  notice where Russia has taken control?  you might want to overlay a resources map of Ukraine to get a god damn clue.

i guess i'm too old to understand, never mind my actual career during the Cold War and you know, being in Ukraine in 1993.

but continue to tell the world you don't understand complex, interconnected policies and the need for resources.

Fark is seemingly filled with little minds who have zero ability to zoom out and see the larger picture, about anything.
 
2022-08-16 12:45:02 PM  

asciibaron: my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%. South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.


From a guy who usually sticks up for the energy industry, this is amusing.
 
2022-08-16 12:45:17 PM  
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Unrelated but also related.
 
2022-08-16 12:47:11 PM  
indylaw:

Thwarting the conquest ambitions of a war criminal, for starters.

Would that be Obama, the guy who was in control when the US backed a coup against a democratically elected government in Ukraine?
 
2022-08-16 12:48:16 PM  
The Political Fallout of first use would be devastating for Russia.
 
2022-08-16 12:49:06 PM  
The shill is here, I see.
 
2022-08-16 12:49:11 PM  

asciibaron: misanthropic1: asciibaron: Fano: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.

my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%.  South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.

and those missiles and shiat, they are free in Crackerjack boxes, right?

Surely this has nothing to do with the supply chain and a volatile energy market.

/Surely.

it has to do with Europe punching themselves in the dick, twice and the US laughing all the way to the bank.

who is footing the bill for the BILLIONS of weapons, the BILLIONS in other aid?  the US taxpayer.  as a taxpayer, i'm tired of being fleeced by Europe's inability to not need the US to be their parent.

all that social spending they do, that is the luxury when they don't need to spend that money on a military.  you're welcome?


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/Oh look, it's this copy-paste talking point from at least a dozen other threads.
//Out of all the taxes you claim to pay, a fraction of a penny worth of it goes towards Europe. Cry more or vote for change if it means that much to you.
//Three as is tradition
 
2022-08-16 12:49:19 PM  

asciibaron: misanthropic1:
None of which has anything to do with making "more money from the slaughter".

/goalposts on parade, there they go

it absolutely does.  the US created this situation, the EU allowed it to fester all the while sucking from the energy nipple of Russia.  now Germany is farked because they thought they could solar and wind their way into the 22nd century and turned off their nuclear reactors without anything to cover the gap.  What has France and Germany done to help Ukraine in a real and meaningful way?  farking POLAND has stepped up (just enough but not too much because they need Uncle Pooties NG too)

can't have it both ways unless you are too stupid to drop your moronic understanding of what the war in Ukraine is all about.  notice where Russia has taken control?  you might want to overlay a resources map of Ukraine to get a god damn clue.

i guess i'm too old to understand, never mind my actual career during the Cold War and you know, being in Ukraine in 1993.

but continue to tell the world you don't understand complex, interconnected policies and the need for resources.

Fark is seemingly filled with little minds who have zero ability to zoom out and see the larger picture, about anything.


None of which has anything to do with making "more money from the slaughter", as you initially asserted, but you managed to cram a lot of ad hominem in with your litany of non-sequiturs, so you're at least making progress on your fallacy bingo card.
 
2022-08-16 12:50:57 PM  

vevolis: I feel like launching a Nuclear assault on Ukraine isn't worth the risk; not so much of retaliation from other entities, but from their own damned corrupt/dismantled infrastructure would lead to the thing detonating before it reaches altitude.


Reasonable outcomes to Russia deploying nuclear weapons:

They do work because that was those were the only weapons they've kept a sharp eye on.  (Goodbye, Earth).

They can launch but detonate as soon as they take off (and if the nuclear payload detonates, say goodbye to anything 10 miles of the launch site).

They can launch but hit the ocean.

They can launch and hit their target but nothing consequential happens (IOW, anything within 10 miles of ground zero doesn't turn into vapor).

They launch, hit their target...but it hits a nation that's part of NATO (IOW, NATO's goes and tells Russia you have 24 hours to surrender or we nuclear carpetbomb your entire country, border to border)
 
2022-08-16 12:51:58 PM  

asciibaron: Fark is seemingly filled with little minds who have zero ability to zoom out and see the larger picture, about anything.


This coming from someone's who Exhibit A of that statement.
 
2022-08-16 12:53:03 PM  

mederu: asciibaron: misanthropic1: asciibaron: Fano: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.

my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%.  South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.

and those missiles and shiat, they are free in Crackerjack boxes, right?

Surely this has nothing to do with the supply chain and a volatile energy market.

/Surely.

it has to do with Europe punching themselves in the dick, twice and the US laughing all the way to the bank.

who is footing the bill for the BILLIONS of weapons, the BILLIONS in other aid?  the US taxpayer.  as a taxpayer, i'm tired of being fleeced by Europe's inability to not need the US to be their parent.

all that social spending they do, that is the luxury when they don't need to spend that money on a military.  you're welcome?

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//Out of all the taxes you claim to pay, a fraction of a penny worth of it goes towards Europe. Cry more or vote for change if it means that much to you.
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Next up we all get accused of sleeping with Ukrainian women, who are stealing our money and giving up super monkey pox with our monkey sex.
 
2022-08-16 12:54:39 PM  

asciibaron: misanthropic1: asciibaron: Fano: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

We are supplying them in the way that needs to happen. If we do more the Russians will feel compelled to escalate. Meanwhile, Vlad is funneling his zerglings down a siege tank kill channel. We can administer the knockout block if they want.

my son works at the coal pier in Baltimore, coal exports are up 200%.  South African coal exports are up 500%.

remind me what we are doing exactly other than making money for companies while people are dying.

and those missiles and shiat, they are free in Crackerjack boxes, right?

Surely this has nothing to do with the supply chain and a volatile energy market.

/Surely.

it has to do with Europe punching themselves in the dick, twice and the US laughing all the way to the bank.

who is footing the bill for the BILLIONS of weapons, the BILLIONS in other aid?  the US taxpayer.  as a taxpayer, i'm tired of being fleeced by Europe's inability to not need the US to be their parent.

all that social spending they do, that is the luxury when they don't need to spend that money on a military.  you're welcome?


Ah yes, the US taxpayer is the victim here...expanding and soldifiying our hegemonic reach and entrenchment with our allies is just so...awful. Likewise, all those European nations spending all their money on our stuff and reducing all the internal tension that started those devastating wars is just so...awful. All those European militaries conforming to US standards and practices, and sharing intelligence and operational capability is just....awful. The US taxpayer can't possibly have any vested interests in this at all, and are clearly not reaping powerful benefits from said investments in any way. Nope.

This is "I'm mad they gave money to 'others' and the people I don't think deserve it", not a legitimate critique of defense policy or US foreign relations and NATO operation.
 
2022-08-16 12:56:04 PM  

GonnaCallYouOut: asciibaron: and based on the US and European countries statements and actions, they will let more Ukrainians die while they make more money from the slaughter.

and so it goes.

Well that was something you typed.

The Ukrainians are who will decide their own future. You have as much right as Russia to decide it, none at all.


You know the Ukrainians have been repeatedly calling for as much aid as the West can provide right?

You know they would join the EU and Nato in a heartbeat if they could right?

You know no one over here thinks "Oh, shiat, we should have invaded first to make them all speak English instead of Russian" right?
 
2022-08-16 1:10:27 PM  

Endive Wombat: toraque: Or they already tried and found out that none of them work.

I do have to wonder how many rockets/ICBM's are still in good working order, and how well maintained each warhead has been.

Could the corruption have gone down so far that the folks in charge of keeping the weapons ready are now scrambling to see if they can get them working?


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2022-08-16 1:20:48 PM  

asciibaron: you don't knowanything about nuclear power do you.


I'll point out the obvious for you: a nuclear plant may not produce a mushroom cloud but it can produce sufficient fallout to injure and/or kill lots of people across a very wide area.
 
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