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(BBC-US)   "It was definitely some type of retaliation. I've never seen anyone be fired for being under five minutes late"   (bbc.com) divider line
    More: Asinine, Trade union, labour union, Starbucks, Union organisers, Labour movement, core values, 28-year-old, interim head  
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2022-08-16 7:57:03 AM  
Five minutes late every day is no way to keep a job.

Conversely, if you are 15 minutes early to work every day, that one day a year you overslept is overlooked. My experience is how that works.
 
2022-08-16 8:18:20 AM  
She was fired for losing her key, according to TFA.  But yeah, she's saying it's for being 3 minutes late, which is probably bullshiat.  How many days was she late because she was talking care of her niece?  Was she consistently late?  Was she trying to help organize the union, or was she bothering people on the job and being annoying not only to her boss but also to her co-workers?

There's more here than the headline says.  It starts with the change in story from "They fired me for being 3 minutes late" to "losing my key was what did it".

That said, Starbucks can EABOD for how they treat their employees.
 
2022-08-16 8:20:54 AM  
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2022-08-16 9:54:40 AM  

PreMortem: Five minutes late every day is no way to keep a job.

Conversely, if you are 15 minutes early to work every day, that one day a year you overslept is overlooked. My experience is how that works.


I was berated for clocking in three minutes early, the one and only time I did.
 
2022-08-16 10:02:38 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: She was fired for losing her key, according to TFA.  But yeah, she's saying it's for being 3 minutes late, which is probably bullshiat.  How many days was she late because she was talking care of her niece?  Was she consistently late?  Was she trying to help organize the union, or was she bothering people on the job and being annoying not only to her boss but also to her co-workers?

There's more here than the headline says.  It starts with the change in story from "They fired me for being 3 minutes late" to "losing my key was what did it".

That said, Starbucks can EABOD for how they treat their employees.


The person in the article is just one example. The main thrust of the article is about Starbucks looking for excuses to fire anyone attempting to organise fellow employees while claiming to be a benevolent employer.

So, why are you disparaging her case with no evidence while saying you know they treat staff poorly?
 
2022-08-16 10:03:53 AM  
When she misplaced her key to the store in July, it appeared to be the last straw, though she told her manager immediately. The key was ultimately found inside the shop

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I knew there was a second key
 
2022-08-16 10:25:36 AM  
Three minutes late that day.
 
2022-08-16 10:27:08 AM  
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2022-08-16 10:28:09 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: She was fired for losing her key, according to TFA.  But yeah, she's saying it's for being 3 minutes late, which is probably bullshiat.  How many days was she late because she was talking care of her niece?  Was she consistently late?  Was she trying to help organize the union, or was she bothering people on the job and being annoying not only to her boss but also to her co-workers?

There's more here than the headline says.  It starts with the change in story from "They fired me for being 3 minutes late" to "losing my key was what did it".

That said, Starbucks can EABOD for how they treat their employees.


If there's set-up to do before opening, as there might be in a coffee shop, chronic lateness is a big ol' f.u. to your co-workers.
 
2022-08-16 10:36:16 AM  
Really underlining the need for a union.
 
2022-08-16 10:42:58 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: That said, Starbucks can EABOD for how they treat their employees.


Paying $22/hr for slinging coffee, even as a shift manager is being treated pretty well.  Many moons ago, I managed a McDonald's for $250/which and that was a minimum of 45hr wk. So roughly $15/hr in today's inflated currency.also, I believe Starbucks has some sort of college benefits and maybe health insurance.
I guess my point is, in this job market, if you don't like your job, go find another one. Nobody us holding a gun to your head.
 
2022-08-16 10:57:43 AM  

ThighsofGlory: Three minutes late that day.


Knowing Starbuck's attendance policy might give some insight into that.  If it requires formal warnings or a probationary period for some number of offenses before termination, then yeah, not the first time.

On the flip side, a union contract will ensure that corporate can't just update that policy on a whim.  And it would help push back on zero-tolerance policies, like termination for one incident of tardiness, that aren't appropriate for the job.
 
2022-08-16 11:02:23 AM  

jamspoon: Benevolent Misanthrope: She was fired for losing her key, according to TFA.  But yeah, she's saying it's for being 3 minutes late, which is probably bullshiat.  How many days was she late because she was talking care of her niece?  Was she consistently late?  Was she trying to help organize the union, or was she bothering people on the job and being annoying not only to her boss but also to her co-workers?

There's more here than the headline says.  It starts with the change in story from "They fired me for being 3 minutes late" to "losing my key was what did it".

That said, Starbucks can EABOD for how they treat their employees.

The person in the article is just one example. The main thrust of the article is about Starbucks looking for excuses to fire anyone attempting to organise fellow employees while claiming to be a benevolent employer.

So, why are you disparaging her case with no evidence while saying you know they treat staff poorly?


Because both can be true at the same time?
 
2022-08-16 11:12:52 AM  

maxis_mydog: Benevolent Misanthrope: That said, Starbucks can EABOD for how they treat their employees.

Paying $22/hr for slinging coffee, even as a shift manager is being treated pretty well.  Many moons ago, I managed a McDonald's for $250/which and that was a minimum of 45hr wk. So roughly $15/hr in today's inflated currency.also, I believe Starbucks has some sort of college benefits and maybe health insurance.
I guess my point is, in this job market, if you don't like your job, go find another one. Nobody us holding a gun to your head.


That's amazingly short sighted. Especially in the US, about the only time workers have much of a chance of unionizing at all is during a labor shortage. If you instead just go find another job, you end up with no protection when there is no longer a labor shortage... and if you think the business owners will reward you for your "loyalty" for not trying to join a union, I've got a bridge to sell you
 
2022-08-16 11:35:48 AM  

maxis_mydog: Benevolent Misanthrope: That said, Starbucks can EABOD for how they treat their employees.

Paying $22/hr for slinging coffee, even as a shift manager is being treated pretty well.  Many moons ago, I managed a McDonald's for $250/which and that was a minimum of 45hr wk. So roughly $15/hr in today's inflated currency.also, I believe Starbucks has some sort of college benefits and maybe health insurance.
I guess my point is, in this job market, if you don't like your job, go find another one. Nobody us holding a gun to your head.


What's rent in NYC these days anyhow? Is it still affordable like in the 1930's?
 
2022-08-16 1:06:42 PM  

maxis_mydog: Benevolent Misanthrope: That said, Starbucks can EABOD for how they treat their employees.

Paying $22/hr for slinging coffee, even as a shift manager is being treated pretty well.  Many moons ago, I managed a McDonald's for $250/which and that was a minimum of 45hr wk. So roughly $15/hr in today's inflated currency.also, I believe Starbucks has some sort of college benefits and maybe health insurance.
I guess my point is, in this job market, if you don't like your job, go find another one. Nobody us holding a gun to your head.


Bro you aren't better than this person, your job isn't any more important, stop looking down on them for just "slinging coffee" and support your fellow worker.
 
2022-08-16 3:01:17 PM  
The cynic in me wonders if a corporate-type found out somebody was making $22/hr, and wanted to start finding excuses to axe her from the payroll.
 
2022-08-16 3:13:58 PM  
This smacks of Starbucks dredging up reasons to fire here to try to stop an unionization effort in it's tracks.    It is possible the key incident was a set up, but i doubt it would be impossible to prove it was such , if it was without someone involved coming forward.

More likely is they wanted her gone to try to nip unionization efforts in the bud but the tardiness wasn't enough to past muster under the circumstances so when this key situation occur they jumped on it and fired her.

At any rate alot more information is needed to properly judge and some of which we are not likely ever to see,
 
2022-08-16 3:41:52 PM  
There are a lot of apologists for Starbucks and Starbucks attempt to bust unions here I see. Corporate apologists never go out of style
 
2022-08-16 5:31:39 PM  
If you read the whole article, it was for a history of problems with her work.

But hey, union activists aren't exactly known for telling the truth when a lie will work. Seems to have a lot in common with our party in power.
 
2022-08-16 8:46:11 PM  
Starbucks is the Walmart of coffee
 
2022-08-16 11:12:46 PM  
CSB: I got fired for being ONE minute late once. My first real job in my late teens, and I was chronically late. Never more than 5 minutes, and I always worked the extra 5 or whatever late to make my day actually 8 hours, but it annoyed the living FARK out of this one woman who worked there. I didn't even work in her department or report to her but for some reason it just drove her crazy. It was a tiny company, not more than ten employees so there really weren't any policies about it but she campaigned to get a late policy instituted, and to shut her up, the big boss went with it. So, the policy was instituted and made retroactive, so that I was instantly served with two verbal and two written warnings. Only one late left and I'd be fired.

The next morning I get up, get ready with just enough time to get to work, get in the car and turn the key. *click* Dirty battery connection kept it from starting. Wiggled the post and it started. When I got to work, I didn't even bother to clock in, just went around shaking hands  and "nice working with you." She had SUCH a smug look on her face. She totally felt like she won some kind of lottery or something. The boss proceeded to add my work to hers from what I heard and she left a short while later. She hadn't really needed the job and was semi retired.

So, aside from being at least wrong if not illegal, the policy lost the company at least two people. I'd been there for 4 years, and she'd been there for 20 or so.

But it made her sooooo happy for at least one day. 35 years later, if she's still alive I hope she still has that sense of smug satisfaction. What a moron.

end CSB
 
2022-08-17 3:44:50 AM  
I'm not in the US, and I'm one unimportant person, but I dropped off letters to my local Starbucks and my supermarket to tell them both I won't buy any more Starbucks products until the union busting stops.
 
2022-08-17 10:46:16 AM  

Chevello: CSB: I got fired for being ONE minute late once. My first real job in my late teens, and I was chronically late. Never more than 5 minutes, and I always worked the extra 5 or whatever late to make my day actually 8 hours, but it annoyed the living FARK out of this one woman who worked there. I didn't even work in her department or report to her but for some reason it just drove her crazy. It was a tiny company, not more than ten employees so there really weren't any policies about it but she campaigned to get a late policy instituted, and to shut her up, the big boss went with it. So, the policy was instituted and made retroactive, so that I was instantly served with two verbal and two written warnings. Only one late left and I'd be fired.

The next morning I get up, get ready with just enough time to get to work, get in the car and turn the key. *click* Dirty battery connection kept it from starting. Wiggled the post and it started. When I got to work, I didn't even bother to clock in, just went around shaking hands  and "nice working with you." She had SUCH a smug look on her face. She totally felt like she won some kind of lottery or something. The boss proceeded to add my work to hers from what I heard and she left a short while later. She hadn't really needed the job and was semi retired.

So, aside from being at least wrong if not illegal, the policy lost the company at least two people. I'd been there for 4 years, and she'd been there for 20 or so.

But it made her sooooo happy for at least one day. 35 years later, if she's still alive I hope she still has that sense of smug satisfaction. What a moron.

end CSB


Aw. It was your car's fault. Stupid car.
 
2022-08-17 10:56:17 AM  

ThighsofGlory: Chevello: CSB: I got fired for being ONE minute late once. My first real job in my late teens, and I was chronically late. Never more than 5 minutes, and I always worked the extra 5 or whatever late to make my day actually 8 hours, but it annoyed the living FARK out of this one woman who worked there. I didn't even work in her department or report to her but for some reason it just drove her crazy. It was a tiny company, not more than ten employees so there really weren't any policies about it but she campaigned to get a late policy instituted, and to shut her up, the big boss went with it. So, the policy was instituted and made retroactive, so that I was instantly served with two verbal and two written warnings. Only one late left and I'd be fired.

The next morning I get up, get ready with just enough time to get to work, get in the car and turn the key. *click* Dirty battery connection kept it from starting. Wiggled the post and it started. When I got to work, I didn't even bother to clock in, just went around shaking hands  and "nice working with you." She had SUCH a smug look on her face. She totally felt like she won some kind of lottery or something. The boss proceeded to add my work to hers from what I heard and she left a short while later. She hadn't really needed the job and was semi retired.

So, aside from being at least wrong if not illegal, the policy lost the company at least two people. I'd been there for 4 years, and she'd been there for 20 or so.

But it made her sooooo happy for at least one day. 35 years later, if she's still alive I hope she still has that sense of smug satisfaction. What a moron.

end CSB

Aw. It was your car's fault. Stupid car.


Lol, nope. Mine and mine alone. I accepted it and went on to other things
 
2022-08-17 12:52:26 PM  
got let go for showing up 'one to three minutes late' a couple times

I was on salary.

Thanks for the unemployment, losers =)
 
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