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(Guardian)   Like many embassies, no phones were allowed inside the Ecuadorian embassy where Julian Assange was hiding out; they had to be left at the reception desk. But then the security contractor would sweep the info from visitors and send it to the CIA   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2022-08-16 8:11:54 AM  
Consort with spies, you might get treated like a spy.

Quelle surprise.
 
2022-08-16 8:33:30 AM  
"Allegedly"
 
2022-08-16 8:39:05 AM  
Julian Assange lawyers sue CIA over alleged spying

Also plans to sue FBI for alleged investigating.
 
2022-08-16 8:40:12 AM  
Going in to other embassies and spying via equipment is an old CIA trick.
 
2022-08-16 8:44:28 AM  
Well, duh
 
2022-08-16 8:44:42 AM  

Diocletian's Last Cabbage: Going in to other embassies and spying via equipment is an old CIA trick.


Also not just the CIA.  Why else do you think in every nominally secure facility the first rule when you walk in the door is to lock up your phone...?

Or if you bring a laptop over seas its not your personal laptop, its always a loner, and then they wipe that sucker as soon as you get back?

So many rules one might find odd are entirely based on known threats or past events.  The paranoid tinfoil hat wearing pot head who hides his phone in his desk, and puts tape over his laptop camera isn't wrong: people can easily hack into those things and turn them on at will, what makes him paranoid is the believe that anyone gives a rats ass what he is doing, as opposed to attempting to access particular individuals or information.
 
2022-08-16 8:47:12 AM  

Diocletian's Last Cabbage: Going in to other embassies and spying via equipment is an old CIA trick.


KGB may have bug a few embassies in the their time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)
 
2022-08-16 8:48:12 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Consort with spies, you might get treated like a spy.

Quelle surprise.


Done in one. The CIA spies overseas. They were overseas consorting with a foreign person of interest to the intelligence community. The CIA should argue, "Duh! That's our mission. Please dismiss."
 
2022-08-16 8:49:36 AM  
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2022-08-16 8:50:09 AM  
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2022-08-16 8:51:51 AM  
What's his face is just mad that he has to take showers now
 
2022-08-16 8:52:20 AM  

physt: Diocletian's Last Cabbage: Going in to other embassies and spying via equipment is an old CIA trick.

KGB may have bug a few embassies in the their time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)


I remember that one too.  Lots of little tricks you can use to find out what's going on without being too obvious about it.

Won't cite another article.  Instead, I refer you to any of the episodes of modern forensic investigation fictional episodes and factual articles.
 
2022-08-16 8:52:48 AM  

sleze: Farking Clown Shoes: Consort with spies, you might get treated like a spy.

Quelle surprise.

Done in one. The CIA spies overseas. They were overseas consorting with a foreign person of interest to the intelligence community. The CIA should argue, "Duh! That's our mission. Please dismiss."


Yah this.  Considering how much publicity he was getting I am sure that embassy was the intelligence equivalent of Grand Central Station with all of the competing interests.

And that's Assange.  I bet if you look at Mar-a-Lago every nation who had any sort of intelligence budget had someone or something on payroll looking into, around, under, above, and through that place.
 
2022-08-16 8:58:00 AM  
Nice allegations. Be a real shame if they were ever proven to be true.
 
2022-08-16 8:58:03 AM  
He really should not have plugged his phone charger into that Hunter Biden laptop.
 
2022-08-16 9:02:32 AM  
Part of civil disobedience is taking the L when they put you in cuffs. Did he think he'd just get to walk away from this?
 
2022-08-16 9:05:45 AM  
Guy who wants others to spy and steal for him gets upset when he is spied upon.
 
2022-08-16 9:05:55 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: I bet if you look at Mar-a-Lago every nation who had any sort of intelligence budget had someone or something on payroll looking into, around, under, above, and through that place.


It's like his insecure cell phone.  You know that every intelligence agency in the world we know about, and a few we don't had malware on it.
 
2022-08-16 9:07:14 AM  

Diocletian's Last Cabbage: Going in to other embassies and spying via equipment is an old CIA trick.


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2022-08-16 9:08:11 AM  
Something hilariously ironic about Julian whining about being spied on when he made his name basically stealing and disseminating secrets.
 
2022-08-16 9:09:57 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Or if you bring a laptop over seas its not your personal laptop, its always a loner, and then they wipe that sucker as soon as you get back?


Wipe? That would involve connecting something to it, that's a risk.

They toss them straight into a grinder. Laptops are cheap.
 
2022-08-16 9:12:19 AM  

BizarreMan: Wicked Chinchilla: I bet if you look at Mar-a-Lago every nation who had any sort of intelligence budget had someone or something on payroll looking into, around, under, above, and through that place.

It's like his insecure cell phone.  You know that every intelligence agency in the world we know about, and a few we don't had malware on it.


Absolutely.  That phone was packed to the gills with spyware the second he started running. If aliens exist and have visited us they had spyware on that phone.
 
2022-08-16 9:12:33 AM  
These actions occurred in another country. If the CIA collected data on US citizens then they might not be able to use that information against those citizens in a US court.
The CIA is doing its job; their charter only allows for action outside of the US.
 
2022-08-16 9:13:47 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Wicked Chinchilla: Or if you bring a laptop over seas its not your personal laptop, its always a loner, and then they wipe that sucker as soon as you get back?

Wipe? That would involve connecting something to it, that's a risk.

They toss them straight into a grinder. Laptops are cheap.


Yeah, or that.  I am a lab rat, and the amount of money we absolutely have to burn on single-use reagents is... a lot.  Not a waste, just the way things have to happen.  A basic government laptop is a rounding error.
 
2022-08-16 9:19:59 AM  

drxym: Something hilariously ironic about Julian whining about being spied on when he made his name basically stealing and disseminating secrets.


Other people did all the work and he gets all the credit. He's not a spy, he ran a website.
 
2022-08-16 9:34:41 AM  
The spy is suing over spring?  Frargung rich buddy.
 
2022-08-16 9:37:11 AM  
When Julian spies he does it righteously and honorably.  When the CIA does it it's bad.
 
2022-08-16 9:44:04 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Wicked Chinchilla: Or if you bring a laptop over seas its not your personal laptop, its always a loner, and then they wipe that sucker as soon as you get back?

Wipe? That would involve connecting something to it, that's a risk.

They toss them straight into a grinder. Laptops are cheap.


No need to connect to a network in order to wipe. There are discs with a DoD approved "Wipe" software which "should" remove absolutely everything on the computer. If no optical drive, a USB hard drive w/the software can be used instead. 

I am not sure if that takes care of drivers and other individual components that may retain malware as it seems that each component of a computer is vulnerable, well, anything with a driver or any sort of memory.

but I'm old and not up to date on all this stuff.
 
2022-08-16 9:47:50 AM  
I'm sure the CIA would be delighted to "settle out of court" with you, Julie.
 
2022-08-16 9:49:51 AM  

drxym: Something hilariously ironic about Julian whining about being spied on when he made his name basically stealing and disseminating secrets.


Yeah, how dare he expose US war crimes
 
2022-08-16 9:50:32 AM  

sleze: Farking Clown Shoes: Consort with spies, you might get treated like a spy.

Quelle surprise.

Done in one. The CIA spies overseas. They were overseas consorting with a foreign person of interest to the intelligence community. The CIA should argue, "Duh! That's our mission. Please dismiss."


The rule of law, the one thing Americans can't abide when it's someone besides themselves.
 
2022-08-16 9:51:06 AM  

muphasta: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Wicked Chinchilla: Or if you bring a laptop over seas its not your personal laptop, its always a loner, and then they wipe that sucker as soon as you get back?

Wipe? That would involve connecting something to it, that's a risk.

They toss them straight into a grinder. Laptops are cheap.

No need to connect to a network in order to wipe. There are discs with a DoD approved "Wipe" software which "should" remove absolutely everything on the computer. If no optical drive, a USB hard drive w/the software can be used instead. 

I am not sure if that takes care of drivers and other individual components that may retain malware as it seems that each component of a computer is vulnerable, well, anything with a driver or any sort of memory.

but I'm old and not up to date on all this stuff.


Firmware viruses do exist. Better to shred the whole thing.
 
2022-08-16 10:34:22 AM  
When did the U.S. constitution become the law of the land within the Ecuadorian embassy in London?
 
2022-08-16 10:48:41 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Part of civil disobedience is taking the L when they put you in cuffs. Did he think he'd just get to walk away from this?


He thought he'd be borne on a bed of roses away from this, straight to the door of everyone who ever hated or doubted him, where he'd receive a formal apology blowjob from each and every single one of you braindead corporate whore sheep, because FARK YOU, HE WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG AHARHRHRGGHGHHGH.

That's not to say even he thinks what he did was some kind of noble act of defiance for the good of mankind, etc. -- that line is strictly for the rubes, and he hates them too much to believe anything they might believe -- but yes, that was his expectation.
 
2022-08-16 10:58:53 AM  
OTOH, Pompeo is a thoroughly despicable arsehole who I always enjoy getting dragged so I am a little conflicted here.
 
2022-08-16 11:57:21 AM  

sleze: Farking Clown Shoes: Consort with spies, you might get treated like a spy.

Quelle surprise.

Done in one. The CIA spies overseas. They were overseas consorting with a foreign person of interest to the intelligence community. The CIA should argue, "Duh! That's our mission. Please dismiss."


It's their job. Coming up next, suing Border Patrol for searching your vehicle at a border crossing.
 
2022-08-16 12:17:26 PM  

sleze: Farking Clown Shoes: Consort with spies, you might get treated like a spy.

Quelle surprise.

Done in one. The CIA spies overseas. They were overseas consorting with a foreign person of interest to the intelligence community. The CIA should argue, "Duh! That's our mission. Please dismiss."


They may also argue that either constitutional protections do not exist overseas
 
2022-08-16 12:27:45 PM  

guinsu: sleze: Farking Clown Shoes: Consort with spies, you might get treated like a spy.

Quelle surprise.

Done in one. The CIA spies overseas. They were overseas consorting with a foreign person of interest to the intelligence community. The CIA should argue, "Duh! That's our mission. Please dismiss."

The rule of law, the one thing Americans can't abide when it's someone besides themselves.


Okay: Rule of law.

1) London is not the United States of America.

2) The embassy belongs to Ecuador, makes it Ecuadorian soil

3) The constitution only covers United States territories.

4) CIA job is to check out threats to the United States OUTSIDE of the country.

5) Julian Assange received classified information and published it. Normally this isn't a problem, except for one thing.

Assange didn't verify the information nor  edit the the leaks that could get people killed, innocent or guilty.

Amazingly enough, American government and press plays by the "fair catch game". If the government is caught doing something: they will let it be published.  However, if the government ask something to be killed, or edited, the press agrees.

Funny part is any publishers will do that.  Superman had a story where Lex Luthor invented an atomic bomb.  Right when the Atomic Bomb was being invented/tested.   The US government were taking no chances, as they didn't want Germany or Japan to think the US was even close.
 
2022-08-16 12:40:30 PM  
All embassies are centers for intelligence gathering aka spying, people are still surprised at this?
 
2022-08-16 1:25:37 PM  

guinsu: sleze: Farking Clown Shoes: Consort with spies, you might get treated like a spy.

Quelle surprise.

Done in one. The CIA spies overseas. They were overseas consorting with a foreign person of interest to the intelligence community. The CIA should argue, "Duh! That's our mission. Please dismiss."

The rule of law, the one thing Americans can't abide when it's someone besides themselves.


Location:  Wilmington, DE

I'll just assume this is performance art
 
2022-08-16 1:39:09 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: guinsu: sleze: Farking Clown Shoes: Consort with spies, you might get treated like a spy.

Quelle surprise.

Done in one. The CIA spies overseas. They were overseas consorting with a foreign person of interest to the intelligence community. The CIA should argue, "Duh! That's our mission. Please dismiss."

The rule of law, the one thing Americans can't abide when it's someone besides themselves.

Okay: Rule of law.

1) London is not the United States of America.

2) The embassy belongs to Ecuador, makes it Ecuadorian soil

3) The constitution only covers United States territories.

4) CIA job is to check out threats to the United States OUTSIDE of the country.

5) Julian Assange received classified information and published it. Normally this isn't a problem, except for one thing.

Assange didn't verify the information nor  edit the the leaks that could get people killed, innocent or guilty.

Amazingly enough, American government and press plays by the "fair catch game". If the government is caught doing something: they will let it be published.  However, if the government ask something to be killed, or edited, the press agrees.

Funny part is any publishers will do that.  Superman had a story where Lex Luthor invented an atomic bomb.  Right when the Atomic Bomb was being invented/tested.   The US government were taking no chances, as they didn't want Germany or Japan to think the US was even close.


Far be it from me to defend Assange, but the argument that is seemingly being made is that the Americans who went to the Embassy to interact with him were having their devices surveilled in some manner.  Assuming that is true, there is a case IMO, since an American's 4th amendment rights don't stop existing when they step outside of the US.

However, if the CIA went through the process to get (almost certainly FISA) warrants before doing so, it should be a non-issue.
 
2022-08-16 2:05:44 PM  

houginator: Darth_Lukecash: guinsu: sleze: Farking Clown Shoes: Consort with spies, you might get treated like a spy.

Quelle surprise.

Done in one. The CIA spies overseas. They were overseas consorting with a foreign person of interest to the intelligence community. The CIA should argue, "Duh! That's our mission. Please dismiss."

The rule of law, the one thing Americans can't abide when it's someone besides themselves.

Okay: Rule of law.

1) London is not the United States of America.

2) The embassy belongs to Ecuador, makes it Ecuadorian soil

3) The constitution only covers United States territories.

4) CIA job is to check out threats to the United States OUTSIDE of the country.

5) Julian Assange received classified information and published it. Normally this isn't a problem, except for one thing.

Assange didn't verify the information nor  edit the the leaks that could get people killed, innocent or guilty.

Amazingly enough, American government and press plays by the "fair catch game". If the government is caught doing something: they will let it be published.  However, if the government ask something to be killed, or edited, the press agrees.

Funny part is any publishers will do that.  Superman had a story where Lex Luthor invented an atomic bomb.  Right when the Atomic Bomb was being invented/tested.   The US government were taking no chances, as they didn't want Germany or Japan to think the US was even close.

Far be it from me to defend Assange, but the argument that is seemingly being made is that the Americans who went to the Embassy to interact with him were having their devices surveilled in some manner.  Assuming that is true, there is a case IMO, since an American's 4th amendment rights don't stop existing when they step outside of the US.

However, if the CIA went through the process to get (almost certainly FISA) warrants before doing so, it should be a non-issue.


There is a big ass loophole:  if you are dealing with a person of interest being under surveillance to the United State; you can and will be caught in their nets.

The question is the United States doing anything with that information? Have their been any charges against the reporters?

This has been long established. if a U.S.     Citizen is in contact with a foreign agent. If they get spied on, they get spied on.  What will not be done is than anything not related to espionage will be used.

So if Joe Blow is a reporter, and just interviews him.  But on the phone is a list of his mafia crimes, then the CIA and the government can't use the mafia stuff as evidence and CIA can't tell anyone else.

But if Lisa Lick is a reporter goes in, and on her phone is contacts for spies and classified documents, then she done be caught.
 
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