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(Deadline)   Ezra Miller agrees to get mental health treatment in a desperate bid by Warner Bros to save The Flash movie   (deadline.com) divider line
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2022-08-16 10:41:06 AM  
Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.
 
2022-08-16 10:50:19 AM  

browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.


Well obviously Ezra Miller is a greater box office pull than Michael Keaton. Miller was The Flash in the greatest superhero team-up movie of all time. What's Michael Keaton ever done? Mr. Mom?
 
2022-08-16 10:53:28 AM  

browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.


Because Flashpoint is (and the Flash character has been) a major part of the DCCU's plans, and Batgirl isn't/wasn't?

// which raises questions about WHY that is, but that's a much easier one to answer
 
2022-08-16 10:56:05 AM  

Dr Dreidel: browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.

Because Flashpoint is (and the Flash character has been) a major part of the DCCU's plans, and Batgirl isn't/wasn't?

// which raises questions about WHY that is, but that's a much easier one to answer


Because Flashpoint is how they plan on rebooting out of the mess they got themselves into
 
2022-08-16 10:58:09 AM  
I was thinking they could make a whole redemption arc to the PR campaign. He was good, then he went to a bad place, and now because he's found his own heroism, he's getting better. They could headline it "No Man Is Fast Enough to Outrun His Demons."

Unfortunately, it's already been clearly established in DCEU canon that Flash is easily able to outrun demons, so that won't work.

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2022-08-16 10:58:39 AM  

Dr Dreidel: browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.

Because Flashpoint is (and the Flash character has been) a major part of the DCCU's plans, and Batgirl isn't/wasn't?

// which raises questions about WHY that is, but that's a much easier one to answer


Well, he is the one with time-travel-break-the-universe powers while she's got fists; so...
 
2022-08-16 11:00:21 AM  
No wonder he's crazy.  The most important thing he's done in his life is a comic book.
 
2022-08-16 11:02:02 AM  

browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.


Yeah it's strange to see angry white men get so many second chances
 
2022-08-16 11:04:34 AM  

Klivian: Dr Dreidel: browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.

Because Flashpoint is (and the Flash character has been) a major part of the DCCU's plans, and Batgirl isn't/wasn't?

// which raises questions about WHY that is, but that's a much easier one to answer

Because Flashpoint is how they plan on rebooting out of the mess they got themselves into


For that matter it's cost (so far) close to $300 million, and despite all the issues with Miller, is testing incredibly well according to leakers.
 
2022-08-16 11:04:53 AM  
They should kill the Flash movie and release the Batgirl movie. But evidently the new CEO of WB/Discovery is a huge misogynist.
 
2022-08-16 11:08:14 AM  
This is a work, a play for time. Nothing has changed, he'll be back to being a tweaker criminal in short order.
 
2022-08-16 11:11:25 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: They should kill the Flash movie and release the Batgirl movie. But evidently the new CEO of WB/Discovery is a huge misogynist.


Just recut some pivotal scenes from Flashpoint into Batwoman - make her the star, relegate Miller to a supporting role (or damsel in distress), wipe hands on pants.

// boom, done
 
2022-08-16 11:15:23 AM  
Aww, the world FAFO tour is over?  Darn.
 
2022-08-16 11:15:42 AM  
I don't know what Ezra Miller has done to make anyone give a damn about him.
 
2022-08-16 11:22:07 AM  

Karma Chameleon: browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.

Yeah it's strange to see angry white men get so many second chances


No, it's because literally nobody cares about Bat Girl.  Are they making a Bat Mite movie too? I'm shocked it ever got green lit honestly,with Batwoman tanking on the CW. Yeah, yeah, different tone yada yada.
 
2022-08-16 11:28:13 AM  
I guess DC is worried that their movies profits will be gone in a flash.
 
2022-08-16 11:35:18 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: This is a work, a play for time. Nothing has changed, he'll be back to being a tweaker criminal in short order.


Miller or the head of Warner Bros?
 
2022-08-16 11:36:20 AM  
By all means let's give him several dozen more chances to be a world-class creep.
 
2022-08-16 11:37:15 AM  

Dr Dreidel: browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.

Because Flashpoint is (and the Flash character has been) a major part of the DCCU's plans, and Batgirl isn't/wasn't?

// which raises questions about WHY that is, but that's a much easier one to answer


I think you're correct, but couldn't you replace Ezra Miller? In theory ANY Flash could cause flashpoint, why do you need that one?

Use Grant Gustin or John Wesley Shipp... Or any other version of Flash. Hell, use the animated one whose shenanigans turn the universe from animated to "real".

I have to assume the cost benefit analysis is still in Ezra's favor over replacing the movie or reshoots.
 
2022-08-16 11:38:38 AM  

born_yesterday: HotWingConspiracy: This is a work, a play for time. Nothing has changed, he'll be back to being a tweaker criminal in short order.

Miller or the head of Warner Bros?


Yes
 
2022-08-16 11:44:30 AM  

Quantumbunny: Dr Dreidel: browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.

Because Flashpoint is (and the Flash character has been) a major part of the DCCU's plans, and Batgirl isn't/wasn't?

// which raises questions about WHY that is, but that's a much easier one to answer

I think you're correct, but couldn't you replace Ezra Miller? In theory ANY Flash could cause flashpoint, why do you need that one?

Use Grant Gustin or John Wesley Shipp... Or any other version of Flash. Hell, use the animated one whose shenanigans turn the universe from animated to "real".

I have to assume the cost benefit analysis is still in Ezra's favor over replacing the movie or reshoots.


Too expensive to reshoot all those scenes - animating the first act is an interesting idea, though. Maybe too Spider-Verse-y, but WB is nothing if not willing to steal what works from other IPs and cram it into their cram-holes.

I like the idea of splicing the remains of Batwoman with Flashpoint and shunting Miller off to the side in the finished product. They are a gigantic farking liability, and I hope WB is actively considering ending with a different Flash than they started with. Grant Gustin (I only watched the first season of FlashTV) could probably use the paycheck.

// of course, it's WB - so they're probably getting ready to sign Millz to a 5-picture deal worth $Texas
 
2022-08-16 11:46:06 AM  
Not seeing it. Not supporting a criminal with my dollars and time. It's good that he's been managed into a "hospital" but he is still the same guy who beat up women.

DC/WB should have dumped this and taken the L
 
2022-08-16 12:01:06 PM  

drewogatory: Karma Chameleon: browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.

Yeah it's strange to see angry white men get so many second chances

No, it's because literally nobody cares about Bat Girl.  Are they making a Bat Mite movie too? I'm shocked it ever got green lit honestly,with Batwoman tanking on the CW. Yeah, yeah, different tone yada yada.


How many people cared about Guardians of the Galaxy before the movie came out?
 
2022-08-16 12:01:54 PM  
A week after the non-binary identifying Miller was slapped with a burglary charge by Vermont law enforcement, the Justice League alum said today in a statement that "having recently gone through a time of intense crisis, I now understand that I am suffering complex mental health issues and have begun ongoing treatment."

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I'm skeptical, but they do need help. I suspect at least 10 more years of shenanigans before hitting the bottom.
 
2022-08-16 12:05:42 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: drewogatory: Karma Chameleon: browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.

Yeah it's strange to see angry white men get so many second chances

No, it's because literally nobody cares about Bat Girl.  Are they making a Bat Mite movie too? I'm shocked it ever got green lit honestly,with Batwoman tanking on the CW. Yeah, yeah, different tone yada yada.

How many people cared about Guardians of the Galaxy before the movie came out?


If Marvel was producing Bat Girl you might have a point.
 
2022-08-16 12:21:32 PM  

Screaming Candle: Not seeing it. Not supporting a criminal with my dollars and time. It's good that he's been managed into a "hospital" but he is still the same guy who beat up women.

DC/WB should have dumped this and taken the L


Hopefully enough people skip Flashpoint for WB to realize what a terrible mistake they made.
 
2022-08-16 12:27:23 PM  
For his sake, I hope he gets the help he needs.
 
2022-08-16 12:28:02 PM  

AdrienVeidt: Well, he is the one with time-travel-break-the-universe powers while she's got fists


relevant username
 
2022-08-16 12:38:36 PM  
Paging all of the Anne Heche apologists, please pick up the Sympathy Phone.
 
2022-08-16 12:41:03 PM  

Dagrin: For his sake, I hope he gets the help he needs.


For their sake, you hope they get the help they need. Don't mis-gender them. Think of all the violence caused by transphobia in the superhero community.

/so that's what my cheek tastes like
 
2022-08-16 12:50:58 PM  

Dr Dreidel: browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.

Because Flashpoint is (and the Flash character has been) a major part of the DCCU's plans, and Batgirl isn't/wasn't?

// which raises questions about WHY that is, but that's a much easier one to answer


Which will almost certainly and immediately get thrown in the trash along with Batgirl and the Snyder's JL storyline.

What's the point of them jerking off the Flashpoint story when they KNOW they're not going to do dickall with an expanded universe. Oh, probably just to have Jeffey Dean Morgan as Thomas Wayne/Batman as fan service.

The issue isn't Marvel or anyone else interfering wirh DC's plans. It's that WB/DC never actually KEEP to a goddamn thing.
 
2022-08-16 12:56:54 PM  

blackminded: Dagrin: For his sake, I hope he gets the help he needs.

For their sake, you hope they get the help they need. Don't mis-gender them. Think of all the violence caused by transphobia in the superhero community.

/so that's what my cheek tastes like


Doesn't taste like originality, I'm sure
 
2022-08-16 12:58:19 PM  

houstondragon: Dr Dreidel: browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.

Because Flashpoint is (and the Flash character has been) a major part of the DCCU's plans, and Batgirl isn't/wasn't?

// which raises questions about WHY that is, but that's a much easier one to answer

Which will almost certainly and immediately get thrown in the trash along with Batgirl and the Snyder's JL storyline.

What's the point of them jerking off the Flashpoint story when they KNOW they're not going to do dickall with an expanded universe. Oh, probably just to have Jeffey Dean Morgan as Thomas Wayne/Batman as fan service.

The issue isn't Marvel or anyone else interfering wirh DC's plans. It's that WB/DC never actually KEEP to a goddamn thing.


The continuity piece is huge.  Marvel basically said, "Enough of the drip, let's map it out."  They've stuck to the Universe created, for better or worse.

DC lacks continuity.
 
2022-08-16 1:19:47 PM  
Isn't there still the issue of the missing family?  The mom and kids?
 
2022-08-16 1:26:01 PM  
I feel bad for the treating clinicians.
 
2022-08-16 1:27:36 PM  
I remember Craig Ferguson talking about rehab after the Brittney Spears meltdown. He talked about "Hollywood" rehab as opposed to "real" rehab. Hollywood rehab involves a couple of weeks in a comfortable place followed by a pat on the back and a "all better now" pronouncement for the trades and the tabloids. Real rehab tells you that it's not over when you leave the building: it's every day for the rest of your life.
 
2022-08-16 1:31:38 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Isn't there still the issue of the missing family?  The mom and kids?


That's exactly what I expected to be brought up in the article, or at least mentioned here.
 
2022-08-16 1:42:20 PM  

AdrienVeidt: Dr Dreidel: browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.

Because Flashpoint is (and the Flash character has been) a major part of the DCCU's plans, and Batgirl isn't/wasn't?

// which raises questions about WHY that is, but that's a much easier one to answer

Well, he is the one with time-travel-break-the-universe powers while she's got fists; so...


Good then he can travel back in time before he got punched in the face.
 
2022-08-16 2:03:20 PM  

Dibikad: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Isn't there still the issue of the missing family?  The mom and kids?

That's exactly what I expected to be brought up in the article, or at least mentioned here.


WB has $300,000,000 tied up in the crazy person. Deadline Hollywood isn't going to lose access to WB info just because that crazy person may have done something horrible to a woman and kids. Besides, they're getting therapy now, all fixed!
 
2022-08-16 2:17:04 PM  
They should pull some multiverse shiat and bring in Grant Gustin's Flash to kill off Ezra Miller's Flash.
 
2022-08-16 2:22:03 PM  
I'm dropping off a suggestion for the opening credits music...
Lawyers, Guns and Money (2007 Remaster)
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2022-08-16 2:22:47 PM  

Karma Chameleon: browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.

Yeah it's strange to see angry white men get so many second chances


Exactly. You don't see Anne Heche getting a second chance do you?
 
2022-08-16 2:28:07 PM  
Money.  Money caught up to Miller.  The money Miller stands to make, the money Miller stands to lose, and most importantly money that Miller is potentially costing a megacorporation.

I'm betting that a lawyer from Discovery showed up with a check in one hand and a lawsuit in the other, and asked what Miller's preference was.  Oh look at that, public apology and therapy?  Well done.
 
2022-08-16 2:29:54 PM  
WB is just gonna try and lock Miller up until the movie is released. After that, I doubt if they give a shiat about Miller.

We'll see if it works.
 
2022-08-16 2:37:56 PM  

blackminded: Dagrin: For his sake, I hope he gets the help he needs.

For their sake, you hope they get the help they need. Don't mis-gender them. Think of all the violence caused by transphobia in the superhero community.

/so that's what my cheek tastes like


Although offered tongue-in-cheek, if Ezra honestly identifies as they/them, that's the pronoun form I should have used. I don't really pay close enough attention to that person to know, I just agree that serious help is needed and will hopefully be received.

/getting help =/= absolution for all of their wrongdoing
//It costs me nothing to use preferred gender pronouns, and correct myself when I make a mistake
///old habits die hard when referring to a persons gender, but I'm trying
 
2022-08-16 3:03:58 PM  

Dagrin: blackminded: Dagrin: For his sake, I hope he gets the help he needs.

For their sake, you hope they get the help they need. Don't mis-gender them. Think of all the violence caused by transphobia in the superhero community.

/so that's what my cheek tastes like

Although offered tongue-in-cheek, if Ezra honestly identifies as they/them, that's the pronoun form I should have used. I don't really pay close enough attention to that person to know, I just agree that serious help is needed and will hopefully be received.

/getting help =/= absolution for all of their wrongdoing
//It costs me nothing to use preferred gender pronouns, and correct myself when I make a mistake
///old habits die hard when referring to a persons gender, but I'm trying


It is rather nice to see someone else accept correction graciously. I still default to saying postman or other gendered job titles and I know better. I recognize the error and correct myself, but it feels like I'm trying to unlearn muscle memory.

We have a nonbinary team member, and I've been impressed at how graciously they have responded to honest error. Feeling like I'm abusing that grace has been my biggest motivation in becoming more consistent.
 
2022-08-16 3:12:21 PM  
From what I've read, Ezra plays multiple versions of the Flash in this movie and appears in almost every scene, so a digital replacement with another actor would just be too much extra expense thrown on top of what's already a very costly film. WB's more likely to scrap it than throw more money at reshoots and edits.

On top of that, besides costing a fortune, the movie is supposedly testing well. They REALLY want to release it and at least get their investment back, and I think their desperation has seriously clouded their judgment. If this was a smaller movie, they would have shelved it much earlier, but they're still hoping against hope that they can somehow still salvage a big opening weekend out of it.

Good luck with that. They sure won't be getting any ticket money from me.
 
2022-08-16 3:21:47 PM  

browneye: Considering how they quickly they tossed the Batwoman movie, I'm confused as to why they're making the effort.


New CEO is not a patron of the arts but a short term quarterly profit kinda dude, looks like.  He doesn't realize or care how horrible that looks to keep Flash but toss Batwoman for tax breaks.
 
2022-08-16 3:35:06 PM  
Them's crazy.
 
2022-08-16 4:41:59 PM  
The first strike against seeing this movie is that it's about the Flash we saw in Zack Snyder's crapfest DCEU.

The second strike against seeing this movie is that it's a movie made by the committee of executives at Warner Bros. who STILL don't seem to "get" superheroes and don't even know where this movie fits in their universe IF they even continue with that universe and don't reboot entirely.

The third strike against seeing this movie is that Ezra Miller is crap. He's a bad actor. A bad person. A bad Flash. A bad investment. A bad date. A bad cult leader. A bad time at the movies. He's just bad, OK?

I wouldn't pay to see The Flash movie even if they offered a raffle ticket to every audience member that gave us each a chance to win $3,000,000 and sloppy head from Amber Heard or Jason Momoa (winner's choice).
 
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