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2022-08-16 8:50:23 AM  
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2022-08-16 9:03:41 AM  
Parallels is stupid.
 
2022-08-16 9:15:37 AM  
Slideshows are stupid.
 
2022-08-16 9:16:42 AM  
But this one isn't which is why the list fails:

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2022-08-16 9:22:27 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Parallels is stupid.


I liked "Parallels" but "Second Chance" needs to be removed from that list - it wasn't horrible but it sure as shiat shouldn't be in the top 9.

I would also say switch out "The Measure of a Man" for "The Most Toys" if you are looking for a "Data growth" episode.  And you get to enjoy Saul Rubinek's good acting.
 
2022-08-16 10:02:24 AM  
Where's "Masks"?

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2022-08-16 10:11:24 AM  
I remember the internet blowing up when Picard was Borg-ified and Riker said "Fire". Everyone thought Picard was farked. Then it sort of fizzled out in the first minute of the next episode.
 
2022-08-16 10:26:53 AM  
It's refreshing to see that Inner Light didn't make the list. That episode is dumb. There are no consequences. No stakes. Just a flute and moping.
 
2022-08-16 10:27:30 AM  
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2022-08-16 10:27:41 AM  
Clues & Second Chances were both 'meh' to me.
 
2022-08-16 10:30:02 AM  
Well, points on originality by not including "Inner Light", I guess. Or "Tapestry".
 
2022-08-16 10:33:26 AM  
Replace Clues & Second Chances with Inner Light and The Most Toys.
 
2022-08-16 10:33:42 AM  
The craziest shiat was the episode where the parasites went into people's mouths and they blew that dude up at the end
 
2022-08-16 10:41:55 AM  
Less than half the episodes on that list could be counted as TNG's best.
 
2022-08-16 10:53:16 AM  

Mugato: I remember the internet blowing up when Picard was Borg-ified and Riker said "Fire". Everyone thought Picard was farked. Then it sort of fizzled out in the first minute of the next episode.


There was no Internet as we know it today when that happened and if I recall correctly there was an entire season break between the two episodes. It was a major deal at the time with plenty of time for fanwanking. The kind of thing you lose in today's binge television culture.

/no way would the last season of Breaking Bad have held up to binging
 
2022-08-16 10:58:18 AM  
Yesterday's Enterprise can suck it. F Tasha Yar.
 
2022-08-16 11:03:41 AM  

UberDave: Tr0mBoNe: Parallels is stupid.

I liked "Parallels" but "Second Chance" needs to be removed from that list - it wasn't horrible but it sure as shiat shouldn't be in the top 9.

I would also say switch out "The Measure of a Man" for "The Most Toys" if you are looking for a "Data growth" episode.  And you get to enjoy Saul Rubinek's good acting.


Second Chances pisses me off - Riker is way too hostile to Nuevo-Riker for no farking reason. Also, it's kind of bullshiat - Nuevo-Riker should share in all the accolades Riker received for evacuating the people off of that station, even if they have to be rewarded so many years later. Riker got awards and a promotion out of it. But he doesn't and gets shipped off to some bullshiat assignment in the far reaches of the Federation.
 
2022-08-16 11:07:23 AM  
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2022-08-16 11:10:12 AM  

blackminded: Mugato: I remember the internet blowing up when Picard was Borg-ified and Riker said "Fire". Everyone thought Picard was farked. Then it sort of fizzled out in the first minute of the next episode.

There was no Internet as we know it today when that happened and if I recall correctly there was an entire season break between the two episodes. It was a major deal at the time with plenty of time for fanwanking. The kind of thing you lose in today's binge television culture.

/no way would the last season of Breaking Bad have held up to binging


The BBS's were a-twitter
 
2022-08-16 11:15:09 AM  
Nemesis wounded my love for TNG and then Picard finished it off. I just can't stand the sight of it. Maybe I'll sit and watch Best of Both Worlds or some of the Q episodes but that's about it.
Hope you're proud of yourselves Spiner and Stewart.
 
2022-08-16 11:18:36 AM  

Bslim: Nemesis wounded my love for TNG and then Picard finished it off. I just can't stand the sight of it. Maybe I'll sit and watch Best of Both Worlds or some of the Q episodes but that's about it.
Hope you're proud of yourselves Spiner and Stewart.


I'm sure they're amused at this kind of hysterics.
 
2022-08-16 11:21:02 AM  

neongoats: Bslim: Nemesis wounded my love for TNG and then Picard finished it off. I just can't stand the sight of it. Maybe I'll sit and watch Best of Both Worlds or some of the Q episodes but that's about it.
Hope you're proud of yourselves Spiner and Stewart.

I'm sure they're amused at this kind of hysterics.


I'm not sure hysteria is the concept you're fishing for there, Champ.
 
2022-08-16 11:34:43 AM  

Bslim: neongoats: Bslim: Nemesis wounded my love for TNG and then Picard finished it off. I just can't stand the sight of it. Maybe I'll sit and watch Best of Both Worlds or some of the Q episodes but that's about it.
Hope you're proud of yourselves Spiner and Stewart.

I'm sure they're amused at this kind of hysterics.

I'm not sure hysteria is the concept you're fishing for there, Champ.


No it's exactly the concept I was fishing for there, Hoss.
 
2022-08-16 11:46:53 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Parallels is stupid.


I know it's not really deserving to be on a list of best of episodes, but I always loved "Parallels", aka "A Crisis of Infinite Worfs". It's got at least three classic/awesome moments:

Worf's freakout when he realizes he's a thing with Alt-Deanna.
Alt-Riker2 attacking because his universe was conquered by the Borg
"Captain, we're receiving 285,000 hails"
 
2022-08-16 11:48:25 AM  

disaster bastard: It's refreshing to see that Inner Light didn't make the list. That episode is dumb. There are no consequences. No stakes. Just a flute and moping.


An entire civilization died, it didn't need a shootout with the Klingons to add excitement and stakes. It was tale about facing an inevitable end of everything with dignity and hope, the power of technology to overcome barriers and communicate experience, and empathy. It was the Enterprise doing its thing, exploring and learning new civilizations and cultures in unique ways, and one that was powerful enough for everyone to remember and permanently impact Picard's character.

That nondescript flute gets pulled out 30 years later and everyone immediately recognizes it.
 
2022-08-16 11:48:58 AM  

JammerJim: Tr0mBoNe: Parallels is stupid.

I know it's not really deserving to be on a list of best of episodes, but I always loved "Parallels", aka "A Crisis of Infinite Worfs". It's got at least three classic/awesome moments:

Worf's freakout when he realizes he's a thing with Alt-Deanna.
Alt-Riker2 attacking because his universe was conquered by the Borg
"Captain, we're receiving 285,000 hails"


I like the part where Deanna comes into the quarters and sits down and Worf cautiously peers around the corner of the bulkhead into the bedroom area in quite the un-klingon way.
 
2022-08-16 11:54:56 AM  

zbtop: permanently impact Picard's character.


Did the events of Inner Light ever come into the plot of another episode of TNG or Picard or the TNG movies? I'm trying to see how it permanently impacted his character when the entire episode was essentially "it was all a dream".
 
2022-08-16 11:56:25 AM  
Parallels is great just for hearing how Worf's personal log gets worse and worse with each shift
 
2022-08-16 12:00:20 PM  
Q Who should be on there. Besides introducing the Borg it also forced a little humility on Picard and the Federation. They go traipsing across the galaxy thinking they're the biggest, baddest and ballsiest space fairing beings and suddenly they're confronted with a species that looks at them as nothing more than a consumable resource like a gallon of gas. Picard finally had to essentially beg to be saved:

Capt. Picard: [to Q] You wanted to frighten us. We're frightened. You wanted to show us that we were inadequate. For the moment... I grant that. You wanted me to say, 'I need you'? I *need* you!

Then Q slams him down for his whining:

Capt. Picard: I understand what you've done here, Q. But I think the lesson could have been learned without the loss of 18 members of my crew.
Q: If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.
 
2022-08-16 12:01:50 PM  

Bslim: Nemesis wounded my love for TNG and then Picard finished it off. I just can't stand the sight of it. Maybe I'll sit and watch Best of Both Worlds or some of the Q episodes but that's about it.
Hope you're proud of yourselves Spiner and Stewart.


Ahhh fandom....always filled with such sad sad takes
 
2022-08-16 12:12:27 PM  
Holy shiat, MSN is a farking mess of a site.
 
2022-08-16 12:12:44 PM  

blackminded: Mugato: I remember the internet blowing up when Picard was Borg-ified and Riker said "Fire". Everyone thought Picard was farked. Then it sort of fizzled out in the first minute of the next episode.

There was no Internet as we know it today when that happened and if I recall correctly there was an entire season break between the two episodes. It was a major deal at the time with plenty of time for fanwanking. The kind of thing you lose in today's binge television culture.

/no way would the last season of Breaking Bad have held up to binging


There was absolutely an internet in 1990, Grandpaw.
 
2022-08-16 12:14:00 PM  

disaster bastard: zbtop: permanently impact Picard's character.

Did the events of Inner Light ever come into the plot of another episode of TNG or Picard or the TNG movies? I'm trying to see how it permanently impacted his character when the entire episode was essentially "it was all a dream".


It's been so long..but all I really remember was the flute showing back up a few times. Even his borgification was basically one episode and one dream/Ahab moment in a movie, IIRC.

TNG, like most episodic TV was not great with character development. After everything Picard went though he should have been on a Fed sanatorium dealing with all kinds of PTSD. Even DS9, which was a lot better about that, mostly brushed off the stuff it put people through (mostly O'Brien).
 
2022-08-16 12:21:17 PM  

zbtop: disaster bastard: It's refreshing to see that Inner Light didn't make the list. That episode is dumb. There are no consequences. No stakes. Just a flute and moping.

An entire civilization died, it didn't need a shootout with the Klingons to add excitement and stakes. It was tale about facing an inevitable end of everything with dignity and hope, the power of technology to overcome barriers and communicate experience, and empathy. It was the Enterprise doing its thing, exploring and learning new civilizations and cultures in unique ways, and one that was powerful enough for everyone to remember and permanently impact Picard's character.

That nondescript flute gets pulled out 30 years later and everyone immediately recognizes it.


And spend $190,000 on it. https://heavy.com/entertainment/star-trek/picard-flute-sells-190000/

I... I would do the same if money were no object.
 
2022-08-16 12:34:53 PM  

Slypork: Q Who should be on there. Besides introducing the Borg it also forced a little humility on Picard and the Federation. They go traipsing across the galaxy thinking they're the biggest, baddest and ballsiest space fairing beings and suddenly they're confronted with a species that looks at them as nothing more than a consumable resource like a gallon of gas. Picard finally had to essentially beg to be saved:

Capt. Picard: [to Q] You wanted to frighten us. We're frightened. You wanted to show us that we were inadequate. For the moment... I grant that. You wanted me to say, 'I need you'? I *need* you!

Then Q slams him down for his whining:

Capt. Picard: I understand what you've done here, Q. But I think the lesson could have been learned without the loss of 18 members of my crew.
Q: If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.


It's also a nice signal of Q's "Trickster mentor" status.  The show is filled with instances of him indicating that he actually kind of likes humans and is helping them along in subtle ways where he won't get caught.  An early warning about the Borg like he gave there might have saved everyone.
 
2022-08-16 12:36:49 PM  

disaster bastard: zbtop: permanently impact Picard's character.

Did the events of Inner Light ever come into the plot of another episode of TNG or Picard or the TNG movies? I'm trying to see how it permanently impacted his character when the entire episode was essentially "it was all a dream".


The Ressikan's and the flute are a thing in a couple subsequent episodes, showing Picard routinely playing the instrument in his normal life after having learned it in 25 minutes, as well as being displayed in his 1701-E ready room.
 
2022-08-16 12:39:48 PM  

disaster bastard: zbtop: permanently impact Picard's character.

Did the events of Inner Light ever come into the plot of another episode of TNG or Picard or the TNG movies? I'm trying to see how it permanently impacted his character when the entire episode was essentially "it was all a dream".


There was an episode (can't remember the name) where Picard kept trying to play in his quarters, but he was interrupted repeatedly by crew members who needed things from him.

And then there was the episode Lessons, where it figured a bit more prominently in a couple scenes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4y_oWBiwAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3FgJztHqFE
 
2022-08-16 12:41:10 PM  
Oh Paramount+, how stupidly you remind me of other ways to watch for free what I just gave you $4.99 for.

Go to watch The Inner Light and I have to disable my ad blocker. Okay, fine. Then it wants me to sit through ninety seconds of unskippable commercials? Nobody under the age of 174 watches anything live anymore outside of sports. Pushing your luck right out of the gate, dipshiats.
 
2022-08-16 12:52:53 PM  

UberDave: But this one isn't which is why the list fails:

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This.

Also missing All Good Things from the list.
 
2022-08-16 12:54:23 PM  

UberDave: Tr0mBoNe: Parallels is stupid.

I liked "Parallels" but "Second Chance" needs to be removed from that list - it wasn't horrible but it sure as shiat shouldn't be in the top 9.

I would also say switch out "The Measure of a Man" for "The Most Toys" if you are looking for a "Data growth" episode.  And you get to enjoy Saul Rubinek's good acting.


He was also absolutely goddamn fantastic as the documentary director on SG1's episodes with the death of Janet Frasier.

Watching him chew out the military and General Hammond's sincere apology was excellent.
 
2022-08-16 1:08:57 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: zbtop: disaster bastard: It's refreshing to see that Inner Light didn't make the list. That episode is dumb. There are no consequences. No stakes. Just a flute and moping.

An entire civilization died, it didn't need a shootout with the Klingons to add excitement and stakes. It was tale about facing an inevitable end of everything with dignity and hope, the power of technology to overcome barriers and communicate experience, and empathy. It was the Enterprise doing its thing, exploring and learning new civilizations and cultures in unique ways, and one that was powerful enough for everyone to remember and permanently impact Picard's character.

That nondescript flute gets pulled out 30 years later and everyone immediately recognizes it.

And spend $190,000 on it. https://heavy.com/entertainment/star-trek/picard-flute-sells-190000/

I... I would do the same if money were no object.


Factory Entertainment Star Trek Ressikan Flute Limited Edition Prop Replica https://g.co/kgs/1VDyPR
 
2022-08-16 1:31:21 PM  
Although I liked Remember Me, I wouldn't consider an hour of Crusher talking to herself one of the best.

And I haven't seen season two of Picard but I did think it was odd that he has never brought up again the entire life he lived with his wife and children from Inner Light, you think that would be almost more scarring than the Borg stuff!!
 
2022-08-16 1:33:09 PM  

buntz: Although I liked Remember Me, I wouldn't consider an hour of Crusher talking to herself one of the best.

And I haven't seen season two of Picard but I did think it was odd that he has never brought up again the entire life he lived with his wife and children from Inner Light, you think that would be almost more scarring than the Borg stuff!!


Remember Me is on par with Frame of Mind which are both excellent suspense plots.
 
2022-08-16 1:47:27 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: disaster bastard: zbtop: permanently impact Picard's character.

Did the events of Inner Light ever come into the plot of another episode of TNG or Picard or the TNG movies? I'm trying to see how it permanently impacted his character when the entire episode was essentially "it was all a dream".

There was an episode (can't remember the name) where Picard kept trying to play in his quarters, but he was interrupted repeatedly by crew members who needed things from him.

And then there was the episode Lessons, where it figured a bit more prominently in a couple scenes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4y_oWBiwAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3FgJztHqFE


TNG edit 24 - Flauting danger
Youtube 3rYMykaNW6s
 
2022-08-16 2:16:21 PM  
Okay, verdict is in on The Inner Light.

Picard had a hot wife and made a hot daughter.

The Googles tell me that his son was his real life son.

Richard Riehle has been in more things than things exist that he hasn't been in. In all likelihood he doesn't have a home or an apartment, he just has one carry on bag to sustain him from set to set until his other possessions in a few duffel bags arrive a day or so later by UPS.
 
2022-08-16 2:18:05 PM  
Holy crap.  Have I accidentally fell in a time warp and landed on the Geocities STTNG webring?

Code of Honor?
Sub Rosa?
 
2022-08-16 2:49:57 PM  

neongoats: Bslim: neongoats: Bslim: Nemesis wounded my love for TNG and then Picard finished it off. I just can't stand the sight of it. Maybe I'll sit and watch Best of Both Worlds or some of the Q episodes but that's about it.
Hope you're proud of yourselves Spiner and Stewart.

I'm sure they're amused at this kind of hysterics.

I'm not sure hysteria is the concept you're fishing for there, Champ.

No it's exactly the concept I was fishing for there, Hoss.


So anyway, your little tirade isn't going to get me to like the show again, Skippy.
 
2022-08-16 3:01:40 PM  

buntz: Although I liked Remember Me, I wouldn't consider an hour of Crusher talking to herself one of the best.



True, but it did have one of the best total batshiat insane lines in all of Trek: "If there's nothing wrong with me, then there's something wrong with the Universe!". Even in context it's nutty at best.
 
2022-08-16 3:04:14 PM  

neongoats: Bslim: neongoats: Bslim: Nemesis wounded my love for TNG and then Picard finished it off. I just can't stand the sight of it. Maybe I'll sit and watch Best of Both Worlds or some of the Q episodes but that's about it.
Hope you're proud of yourselves Spiner and Stewart.

I'm sure they're amused at this kind of hysterics.

I'm not sure hysteria is the concept you're fishing for there, Champ.

No it's exactly the concept I was fishing for there, Hoss.


Chief, I'm gonna need you and Sport here to both calm down.
 
2022-08-16 4:15:50 PM  
Genesis. Because contrary to popular belief, Janeway and Chakotay were NOT the first starfleet officers who got turned into a newt.

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