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(MSN)   Middle Zealand might be the safest to be in if a nuclear war broke out. On a related note, apparently MSM decided today's the day to dump its backlog of fearmongering articles   (msn.com) divider line
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2022-08-16 8:52:42 AM  
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2022-08-16 9:24:15 AM  
Escape to the Southern Hemisphere in the aftermath of a nuclear war? It's been done.
On the Beach 1959 | Gregory Peck, Ava Gardner | Directed by Stanley Kramer | Drama, Romance, Sci-Fi
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2022-08-16 9:30:23 AM  
Well, at least it isn't a stealthy Fox link this time.
 
2022-08-16 9:30:39 AM  
Sure you can hang out in Middle Zealand, but you'll miss out on the fun fighting deathclaws, eating salisbury steak found in random containers, and searching high and low for bottlecaps.
 
2022-08-16 9:30:57 AM  
Psshhtt. They taught us in elementary school all you have to do is squat and cover your neck. What's the big deal?
 
2022-08-16 9:31:33 AM  
The second I see the acronym "MSM"?...
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2022-08-16 9:32:14 AM  
JFC. I'm not reading that Wall-O-Text.
 
2022-08-16 9:32:30 AM  
The Middle Zealands are often overlooked and became somewhat isolated.
 
2022-08-16 9:34:20 AM  
Yeah I can see that. We could just bust in there like Saruman when he took over the Shire. How hard could it be?

Hobbit holes are already pretty much bunkers. An indirect nuclear strike would just strip the grass off the roof.

I don't know anything about how self-sustainable NZ is, though. How do the natives taste?
 
2022-08-16 9:37:11 AM  
Not for children, Peter Thiel will be there sucking the life force out of them.
 
2022-08-16 9:48:25 AM  
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2022-08-16 9:49:33 AM  
This is silly. Everyone knows that if WW3 really does happen, the Russians will lob a few nukes to NZ just so they won't miss out on all the fun. I assure you that Hobbiton will be warmly irradiated and toasty too.
 
2022-08-16 9:49:43 AM  

dascott: Yeah I can see that. We could just bust in there like Saruman when he took over the Shire. How hard could it be?

Hobbit holes are already pretty much bunkers. An indirect nuclear strike would just strip the grass off the roof.

I don't know anything about how self-sustainable NZ is, though. How do the natives taste?


You might watch the Haka done by the All Blacks.  You may end up on the menu.

The Greatest haka EVER?
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2022-08-16 9:55:20 AM  

dascott: Yeah I can see that. We could just bust in there like Saruman when he took over the Shire. How hard could it be?

Hobbit holes are already pretty much bunkers. An indirect nuclear strike would just strip the grass off the roof.

I don't know anything about how self-sustainable NZ is, though. How do the natives taste?


The taste like Kiwis
 
2022-08-16 9:55:29 AM  
Could somebody explain the concept of paragraphs to that "writer"?
 
2022-08-16 9:56:13 AM  
Before and after Polar deployment, I got to spend time on the South Island.  That was before the quakes (the big ones), and Christchurch was in full glory.  I stayed in a European style hotel in the cathedrals courtyard, and every day an entire dance of chaos would ebb and flow through the area.  It was beautiful.  Little Japanese kids on their class trips, tourists, local workers stopping by the carts for food, and the occasional giant chess match.

The botanical gardens were amazing.  I walked them along side some of the greatest physicists of our time.  We ate our meals on a street filled with coffee shops and pubs with various bands playing on a nearby stage, while gondolas floated by on the nearby small river.  White boats pushed with white poles, blinking in and out beneath the white walkway's arches.

Sadly, this was disrupted by the tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands of people.  And many of the people I'd worked with at the pole were traveling in the countries that were hit badly.  None were killed by the event, but it was a near thing.

And since then, even the cathedral and statue were badly damaged, and the places I knew and enjoyed so much are no longer.  I like to think a battle of Mayar and Valar against Morgoth caused this.
 
2022-08-16 9:56:41 AM  
DNRTFA, obviously.
 
2022-08-16 10:04:15 AM  
I mean we'd still be pretty farked in New Zealand, but it would take longer. Food would be fine, but we have no pharmaceutical industry. So life would start getting precarious for many quickly.

With luck we could trade with other countries for essentials that escaped bombings - South America and Australia would be my guess, but cargo ships would have to be fuelled and escorted because there will be pirates. I mean who wouldn't go after a ship filled with food or medical supplies in a post apocalyptic world?
 
2022-08-16 10:15:48 AM  

puckrock2000: Escape to the Southern Hemisphere in the aftermath of a nuclear war? It's been done.
[YouTube video: On the Beach 1959 | Gregory Peck, Ava Gardner | Directed by Stanley Kramer | Drama, Romance, Sci-Fi]


Came for the On The Beach reference, leaving satisfied.

/still, a good place to let rip on the liver/lungs/other internal organs
//party like there's no tomorrow, cos there wouldn't be
///best part of the movie was the old guys complaining they wouldn't get through all the good wine
 
2022-08-16 10:41:54 AM  

jtown: Could somebody explain the concept of paragraphs to that "writer"?


Just be glad the period was invented to demark the end of a sentence.  Some alphabets include a word-end form of the letter (all the letters, not just five or so)  to demark the end of the word.  Imagine that.
 
2022-08-16 10:57:33 AM  
I consider the West Coast of America a pretty safe place for unclear issues. The prevailing winds are eastward, most times, and on the northern end, in Washington, thiere ain't no big towns or military targets that need nuking from an enemy. The fall-out goes east and the population heads for the middle of the country, making the coast the least affected area in the USA. We'll also know about ground troops well before they arrive. For me, I've got the whole Olympic range to hide in, with wildlife, lumber, firewood in abundance.

/ just not TOO close to the coast. Ya gotta set-up a tsunami distance from the beach. and thiere will still be crowds on the beach taking advantage of the low-tide seafood market.

// It's another good reason to live in 'Shores
 
2022-08-16 11:14:26 AM  

Mikeyworld: I consider the West Coast of America a pretty safe place for unclear issues. The prevailing winds are eastward, most times, and on the northern end, in Washington, thiere ain't no big towns or military targets that need nuking from an enemy. The fall-out goes east and the population heads for the middle of the country, making the coast the least affected area in the USA. We'll also know about ground troops well before they arrive. For me, I've got the whole Olympic range to hide in, with wildlife, lumber, firewood in abundance.

/ just not TOO close to the coast. Ya gotta set-up a tsunami distance from the beach. and thiere will still be crowds on the beach taking advantage of the low-tide seafood market.

// It's another good reason to live in 'Shores


"I consider the West Coast of America a pretty safe place for unclear issues..."

Care to expand on that a bit? Your point is a tad... muddy.
 
2022-08-16 11:47:39 AM  

Mikeyworld: I consider the West Coast of America a pretty safe place for unclear issues. The prevailing winds are eastward, most times, and on the northern end, in Washington, thiere ain't no big towns or military targets that need nuking from an enemy...


wat.

Seattle
Tacoma
Portland
Bangor Trident base
Everett Navy base
Whidbey NAS
McChord AFB
3 Boeing factories
Bremerton naval shipyard
ULF antennas in Cascades
Fort Lewis
 
2022-08-16 12:15:30 PM  
News flash: Like most countries, New Zealand has ZERO interest in harboring spoiled Americans as "refugees".
Their immigration policies are quite strict.
And they don't much like Americans...or SE Asians for that matter.
 
2022-08-16 12:23:14 PM  

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Mikeyworld: I consider the West Coast of America a pretty safe place for unclear issues. The prevailing winds are eastward, most times, and on the northern end, in Washington, thiere ain't no big towns or military targets that need nuking from an enemy...

wat.

Seattle
Tacoma
Portland
Bangor Trident base
Everett Navy base
Whidbey NAS
McChord AFB
3 Boeing factories
Bremerton naval shipyard
ULF antennas in Cascades
Fort Lewis


Was gonna say, Bremerton and Kitsap would ensure nukage just by themselves. What with the nuclear weapons and all.
 
2022-08-16 12:48:33 PM  
It's just like every decade since the 1950s.
 
2022-08-16 1:11:19 PM  

BonoboJeezus: News flash: Like most countries, New Zealand has ZERO interest in harboring spoiled Americans as "refugees".
Their immigration policies are quite strict.
And they don't much like Americans...or SE Asians for that matter.


The NZ girls at the pubs and diners and even out on the streets would hear me talk and come up, and ask me to say something in American again.  They were not unfriendly, at all.

Even the news was so pro-US I was stunned. We never talk about ourselves in such a positive manner.  Admittedly I was only there a few times for a month at a time, but it was consistent.

But if your some average American trying to MOVE there ... you'd better have some amazing skill set with importing, or your not getting anywhere.  Few places will give you a Hard NO faster than New Zealand.

And customs ... we used to joke about using Nz customs to trap neutrinos instead of our detector.  Nothing gets through there!
 
2022-08-16 1:25:30 PM  
 
2022-08-16 2:36:46 PM  

Mikeyworld: I consider the West Coast of America a pretty safe place for unclear issues. The prevailing winds are eastward, most times, and on the northern end, in Washington, thiere ain't no big towns or military targets that need nuking from an enemy. The fall-out goes east and the population heads for the middle of the country, making the coast the least affected area in the USA. We'll also know about ground troops well before they arrive. For me, I've got the whole Olympic range to hide in, with wildlife, lumber, firewood in abundance.

/ just not TOO close to the coast. Ya gotta set-up a tsunami distance from the beach. and thiere will still be crowds on the beach taking advantage of the low-tide seafood market.

// It's another good reason to live in 'Shores


While it is true the West Coast north of San Francisco and south Portland are relatively devoid of any Primary, Secondary or Tertiary targets  (Maybe Redding/Shasta Dam and Medford and Eugene as potential minor targets and a large exchange are slightly inland), they still are not exactly safe in a global nuclear war.  That is because, as you identified, the East to West jetstream is going to push fallout from targets hit in Japan, China, and other northern hemisphere targets.  While safe from the inital impacts, unfortunately, you are still likely dead in the long term from the fallout from targets to the east and if you survive that, the climate change from nuclear winter will be difficult.

This assumes a large scale nuclear exchange with hundreds of warhead from the US/Russia/China/India//Pakistan/France/UK/Israel/North Korea/Iran are exchanged in a global war. Then, for the most part, its not going to matter much where you are, the fallout and nuclear winters will probably kill you.  In a more limited exchange, the West Coast of Northern California and Oregon is well suited for survival.
 
2022-08-16 3:08:43 PM  
As someone who grew up during the cold war, I seem to recall articles like this saying the safest place to be was in some remote village in the Andes mountains. There aren't any targets in the area, and because you're so high and remote the ecological damage would be relatively less than it would be in other areas. I think pretty much anywhere in the northern hemisphere would be screwed. Between the US, Europe, India and Russia/China, most of the bombs will be concentrated there.
 
2022-08-16 8:22:48 PM  

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Mikeyworld: I consider the West Coast of America a pretty safe place for unclear issues. The prevailing winds are eastward, most times, and on the northern end, in Washington, thiere ain't no big towns or military targets that need nuking from an enemy...

wat.

Seattle
Tacoma
Portland
Bangor Trident base
Everett Navy base
Whidbey NAS
McChord AFB
3 Boeing factories
Bremerton naval shipyard
ULF antennas in Cascades
Fort Lewis


I said the "West COAST" I don't consider the above as coastal areas. Most of them are on or near Puget Sound, 150 miles from the coast, and the Cascades are even further away.

/ Born/raised in Port Orchard
// I held my head under a desk every Monday @ 9 am, for several elementary years.
///
 
2022-08-16 10:02:53 PM  
Mikeyworld:

I said the "West COAST"I don't consider the above as coastal areas.

Did your own research, eh?
 
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