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(Some Guy)   A scholar of the rhetoric that led to the Civil War says GOP rhetoric is deliberately leading to another. Well, that's fun   (patriciarobertsmiller.com) divider line
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2022-08-16 3:11:59 AM  
I mean, duh.
 
2022-08-16 3:13:37 AM  
Did this scholar invent the time machine also?

THEY STARTED HOT WAR IN JANUARY, 2021
 
2022-08-16 3:16:34 AM  
You know, I'm really not entirely disgusted at the thought of fields full of dead treason weasels and meal team six maga trash. The smell, sure. But what a nice visual.

/I'll be over here on the side with all the tanks and planes.
 
2022-08-16 3:16:53 AM  
I'll take the over/under on the feds.
/they let the 1/6 guys off easy. If those guys go full on dipshiat derp then there will be a run on Walmart caskets.
 
2022-08-16 3:27:45 AM  

sidailurch: You know, I'm really not entirely disgusted at the thought of fields full of dead treason weasels and meal team six maga trash. The smell, sure. But what a nice visual.

/I'll be over here on the side with all the tanks and planes.


A modern civil war isn't going to be a battlefield experience. Think Taliban, ISIS, IRA.
 
2022-08-16 3:29:21 AM  
Author lost me after, like, the third assertion that their colleague was actually good and smart, after a short story about the bad and dumb things their colleague embraced and repeated.
 
2022-08-16 3:31:31 AM  

sidailurch: You know, I'm really not entirely disgusted at the thought of fields full of dead treason weasels and meal team six maga trash. The smell, sure. But what a nice visual.

/I'll be over here on the side with all the tanks and planes.


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the problem is that this is what civil war II is going to look like.
 
2022-08-16 3:35:07 AM  
There's not going to be a civil war.
 
2022-08-16 3:42:49 AM  

sidailurch: You know, I'm really not entirely disgusted at the thought of fields full of dead treason weasels and meal team six maga trash. The smell, sure. But what a nice visual.

/I'll be over here on the side with all the tanks and planes.


Doesn't that depend on who's running the military at that time ?
 
2022-08-16 3:47:37 AM  
And we've just had a Dred Scott-tier ruling in Dobbs.

History might not repeat, but it sure does rhyme.
 
2022-08-16 3:48:06 AM  
Americans in the 1860s would like all of their belongings into a cart, yoke a pair of oxen to it, and set out on a several month-long journey involving wildlife, angry natives, disease, and injury (with no doctor in sight).

In the 2020s, Americans had abundant food, shelter, air conditioning, and multiple firms of entertainment 24/7, and couldn't be arsed to stay indoors for two weeks because the wanted haircuts.

I'm not really sure they're up for civil war.
 
2022-08-16 3:51:18 AM  

King Something: And we've just had a Dred Scott-tier ruling in Dobbs.

History might not repeat, but it sure does rhyme.


It's actually worse. Slavery is an ancient aspect of human existence. The anti-abortion movement is entirely manufactured, and all in the last half-century.
 
2022-08-16 3:52:23 AM  

MaliFinn: There's not going to be a civil war.


Well, not with Negative Nancys like you poo-pooing the idea every time someone brings it up, we won't.
 
2022-08-16 3:52:46 AM  
TFA is I'm afraid likely right about one thing: The GQP media has 100% committed itself to destroying American democracy and installing fascism, and they will turn to violence to get what they want (see 1/6 terrorist attack / coup attempt) and like other historical authoritarian/fascist movements, they will not stop except when forced to by application of superior violence. GQP delenda est.

The thing is... we've seen these dumb farks in action. At the Malheur standoff, at the 1/6 attack, and one-off attacks elsewhere since. Almost every time has involved an extraordinary act of restraint by reality-based authorities to not wipe them the fark out.
 
2022-08-16 4:02:58 AM  
if anyone wants new zealand citizenship i'll marry you for a price. or free if you're an attractive woman.
 
2022-08-16 4:05:27 AM  

detonator: I'll take the over/under on the feds.


My money's on whoever wins
 
2022-08-16 4:21:43 AM  

MaliFinn: There's not going to be a civil war.


Yep.

People in the 1860s contended with weather, wildlife, lack of resources, lack of medicine, and an overall hard life, regardless of money or social standing.

Today, people lose their shiat when the Wi-Fi goes down for an hour.
 
2022-08-16 4:22:24 AM  

King Something: And we've just had a Dred Scott-tier ruling in Dobbs.

History might not repeat, but it sure does rhyme.


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2022-08-16 4:26:16 AM  

detonator: I'll take the over/under on the feds.
/they let the 1/6 guys off easy. If those guys go full on dipshiat derp then there will be a run on Walmart caskets.


Interesting.

With the technology we now have, presumably a database containing everything ever known about everyone on earth exists.

Round-up kills only weeds...

I suppose the federal government could potentially call up enough information by facial recognition, Twitter handles, and drivers licenses to hire the local Drone Dash franchise to smartbomb the houses of the violent insurrectionists on an as-needed, individual basis.

That would be a good way to lower diesel prices and air pollution. We could potentially see the end of coronavirus and monkey pox simultaneously. Eliminate judicial backlogs around the country.

Maybe they are letting this happen for a reason.
 
2022-08-16 4:26:21 AM  

MaliFinn: There's not going to be a civil war.


Yes. There will be. Won't be muskets and shiat but it's coming like it or not. There are two camps. And no cooperation between camps. And the camp with the lesser defensive position is creating offensive movements. Treasonous movements. Currently the camp with the majority is more or less tolerating the bullshiat. That will at some point boil over. And unless something major happens in DC, like maybe prosecuting political operatives for treason and restoring voter rights and ensuring that all citizens have a voice, not just white ones with money, well, this is heading to a hot civil war. Again. The question is how long will it take to get there.
 
2022-08-16 4:28:49 AM  
I haven't really shared other people's dismissive attitude toward the possibility of civil war. The far right is very clear that it's eager to commit violence without remorse, and they see compromise and peace as signs of weakness.

Furthermore, people need to remember that the police and the military are chock-full of far-right assholes.

I'm not sure why people are so casually dismissive of civil war stuff, because if there were one, law enforcement AND military would be attacking the left. I don't trust the military to stay out of this.

Don't just dismiss this realm of possibility just because you like to laugh at the Cletus types.
 
2022-08-16 4:29:25 AM  

erik-k: TFA is I'm afraid likely right about one thing: The GQP media has 100% committed itself to destroying American democracy and installing fascism, and they will turn to violence to get what they want (see 1/6 terrorist attack / coup attempt) and like other historical authoritarian/fascist movements, they will not stop except when forced to by application of superior violence. GQP delenda est.

The thing is... we've seen these dumb farks in action. At the Malheur standoff, at the 1/6 attack, and one-off attacks elsewhere since. Almost every time has involved an extraordinary act of restraint by reality-based authorities to not wipe them the fark out.


Asymmetric warfare beyond lone-wolf style attacks requires coordination, discipline, and communication, at least at the top tiers of the organization. The cannon fodder doesn't have to know shiat beyond what they've been sent out to die doing; but the top level absolutely has to know exactly what's being done, and why, and who ordered it.

Based on what we've seen so far, there is no top tier, and the rest of them couldn't coordinate a three-meat barbecue if four meats were provided.
 
2022-08-16 4:43:46 AM  

starsrift: sidailurch: You know, I'm really not entirely disgusted at the thought of fields full of dead treason weasels and meal team six maga trash. The smell, sure. But what a nice visual.

/I'll be over here on the side with all the tanks and planes.

A modern civil war isn't going to be a battlefield experience. Think Taliban, ISIS, IRA.


How is that going to satisfy the meal team six LARPers? They wont get to pose as tough guys if all their attacks are sneaky isis-style suicide bombs or IRA style trash-can bombs?

They wont even get to show their tacticool outfits!
 
2022-08-16 4:46:19 AM  
I can't shake the feeling the right wing is eager for civil war on the rather odd notion that they are the only ones with guns. I understand how they got to that mistake, it is in the rhetoric that the right wing has guns and soft lefties won't touch them, but that has nothing to do with reality. That is without figuring in the US military that has some very firm opinions on the subject of sovereignty (and their guns make even the hardware in the hardcore ammosexual's locker seem inadequate). 

Another feeling I'll just dump here because why not. The US media as a whole has a tendency to go for oversimplification and hyperbole. Here's three things that headlines told us were happening, that never happened (just from the top of my mind):
- The EU privacy laws have not killed off the internet as we know it. 
- Brexit did not cause the complete collapse of (what was left of) the British Empire within a year;
- The Republican Party has not split into three rival parties, despite electing Dolt 45.
It is a rather sad state of affairs that the Poltab discussions on Fark contain more nuance then the average front page of an outlet (no matter what political color (or lack thereof)).
 
2022-08-16 4:50:44 AM  
I like how people arguing there won't be a civil war are ignoring that various factions of the GQP have been actively murdering, or attempting to murder, those they deem to be their political enemies for decades, culminating in an attempted coup less than 2 years ago.
 
2022-08-16 4:53:33 AM  
Don't dignify a hissy fit.
 
2022-08-16 4:55:11 AM  
Just like we heard at the start of the Civil War, all the rhetoric is about States' rights.
 
2022-08-16 5:15:27 AM  

ansius: Just like we heard at the start of the Civil War, all the rhetoric is about States' rights.


now mixed in with Nazism as well.
 
2022-08-16 5:20:11 AM  
Trump has canceled a rally in Wisconsin, a rally in front of the FBI headquarters in DC  was abruptly canceled.

Trump lost Laura Ingraham.

Trump won't even let his handful of supporters use the bathroom at Mar-A-Lardo

Calm down.

There won't be a civil war, retired ivory tower professor.
 
2022-08-16 5:20:46 AM  

MaliFinn: There's not going to be a civil war.


And putin would never be dumb enough to invade Ukraine.
 
2022-08-16 5:26:02 AM  
I've now read the article and while you might quibble about some of her points, her description of the Trumpers' playbook for seizing control of Government is spot farking on.

For those in the TL;DR set, here it is:

"Here's Trump's plan. The 2022 elections will be all about getting a GOP majority in Congress and control of enough state legislatures shift the US to "competitive authoritarianism" (when there are elections, but it's systematically impossible for any by one party to win most or all of them). First, there will be a constitutional convention (so much for originalism). Second, SCOTUS will rule that state legislatures can override the popular vote. Third, state legislatures will override the popular vote. If, for some reason, there is resistance to his election, or resistance to any part of his plan, he will sic his storm troopers (and I mean that) on anyone who disagrees."
 
2022-08-16 5:33:10 AM  

ansius: I've now read the article and while you might quibble about some of her points, her description of the Trumpers' playbook for seizing control of Government is spot farking on.

For those in the TL;DR set, here it is:

"Here's Trump's plan. The 2022 elections will be all about getting a GOP majority in Congress and control of enough state legislatures shift the US to "competitive authoritarianism" (when there are elections, but it's systematically impossible for any by one party to win most or all of them). First, there will be a constitutional convention (so much for originalism). Second, SCOTUS will rule that state legislatures can override the popular vote. Third, state legislatures will override the popular vote. If, for some reason, there is resistance to his election, or resistance to any part of his plan, he will sic his storm troopers (and I mean that) on anyone who disagrees."


It's a real concern. It should be all of our concern.

All of us, that is,  except for Clan Trump, which should be shopping for defense attorneys experienced in criminal law - federal, in particular.
 
2022-08-16 5:33:23 AM  
People are going to quietly slink away. I think Rick Wilson is right. 10 years from now nobody will admit to ever supporting Trump.

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2022-08-16 5:42:57 AM  
It's been predicted in here:

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Grab a copy to read/listen to.
 
2022-08-16 5:44:42 AM  
Rick Romero is KILLING IT!
 
2022-08-16 5:51:07 AM  
Money can buy the illusion of popularity, but the masses are fickle and long to be entertained.

And what could be more entertaining than to see the King of Trash Talk brought down?
 
2022-08-16 5:57:36 AM  

Astorix: People are going to quietly slink away. I think Rick Wilson is right. 10 years from now nobody will admit to ever supporting Trump.

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Willingness to admit being a Trumpist will be like willingness to admit supporting Bush: It will drop slowly, asymptotically seemingly, for a long time, then *bam*, in the span of a few months, you'll wonder how he ever got elected because all the people in the country who will admit to supporting or voting for him wouldn't be enough to win an off-year election for county dog catcher.
 
2022-08-16 6:05:29 AM  
There is no such thing as non-violent protest in the US.

The cops make sure of it, and the media enforces the cops' narrative without critical thinking or questioning their stories.
 
2022-08-16 6:05:47 AM  

bluejeansonfire: I haven't really shared other people's dismissive attitude toward the possibility of civil war. The far right is very clear that it's eager to commit violence without remorse, and they see compromise and peace as signs of weakness.

Furthermore, people need to remember that the police and the military are chock-full of far-right assholes.

I'm not sure why people are so casually dismissive of civil war stuff, because if there were one, law enforcement AND military would be attacking the left. I don't trust the military to stay out of this.

Don't just dismiss this realm of possibility just because you like to laugh at the Cletus types.


It'll just be The Troubles.

Except we'll call it Another Mass Shooting.
 
2022-08-16 6:11:07 AM  
CWII has been going on since at least Charlottesville. It's still a low smolder compared to what it could be.
 
2022-08-16 6:14:51 AM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: bluejeansonfire: I haven't really shared other people's dismissive attitude toward the possibility of civil war. The far right is very clear that it's eager to commit violence without remorse, and they see compromise and peace as signs of weakness.

Furthermore, people need to remember that the police and the military are chock-full of far-right assholes.

I'm not sure why people are so casually dismissive of civil war stuff, because if there were one, law enforcement AND military would be attacking the left. I don't trust the military to stay out of this.

Don't just dismiss this realm of possibility just because you like to laugh at the Cletus types.

It'll just be The Troubles.

Except we'll call it Another Mass Shooting.


https://gen.medium.com/i-lived-through-collapse-america-is-already-there-ba1e4b54c5fc

Also read "I lived through a stupid coup" by the same author. Best descriptions of what it will look like imo.

Also similar to the 2020 uprising: massive violence in a two-block radius but with the rest of the cities untouched.
 
2022-08-16 6:20:03 AM  
It's been the plan for close to half a century. They stopped bothering to hide it during the Gingrich years. This is the endgame.
 
2022-08-16 6:23:36 AM  
If it came to it, no war needed; give them a South Derpistan, split the free states, turn North America into a Northern Union of Mexico, Canada, US East, and US West.

Those farkers would go bankrupt like Texas did and come slinking back with their tail tucked between their legs.
 
2022-08-16 6:26:00 AM  

stoli n coke: MaliFinn: There's not going to be a civil war.

Yep.

People in the 1860s contended with weather, wildlife, lack of resources, lack of medicine, and an overall hard life, regardless of money or social standing.

Today, people lose their shiat when the Wi-Fi goes down for an hour.


If that bothered them so much, a real shiat-hits-the-fan scenario would spit them out like another chaw of Grizzly Long Cut.
 
2022-08-16 6:30:32 AM  

ISO15693: starsrift: sidailurch: You know, I'm really not entirely disgusted at the thought of fields full of dead treason weasels and meal team six maga trash. The smell, sure. But what a nice visual.

/I'll be over here on the side with all the tanks and planes.

A modern civil war isn't going to be a battlefield experience. Think Taliban, ISIS, IRA.

How is that going to satisfy the meal team six LARPers? They wont get to pose as tough guys if all their attacks are sneaky isis-style suicide bombs or IRA style trash-can bombs?

They wont even get to show their tacticool outfits!


Every time you say LARPer or meal.Tim six or gravy seals you reveal how deeply in denial you are.

I know it's comforting to think "They aren't dangerous. This can't happen." Fifteen years ago this was all unthinkable. Now we have the Republicans actively supporting Russian control over the United States. We have had a coup attempt. We have thousands of highly radicalized, heavily armed terrorists.

During the Bush years the Tea Party was a bunch of doddering elders, A joke. Then it became a neofascist movement. Now the GOP is an active fascist insurgency openly destroying democracy in every State where it has control. Much of the military and most of law enforcement supports them.

This is as serious as a heart attack, and the odds against the US surviving in any form we recognize are damned slim.
 
2022-08-16 6:30:43 AM  
This isn't 1969, OK?
 
2022-08-16 6:31:57 AM  

koder: If it came to it, no war needed; give them a South Derpistan, split the free states, turn North America into a Northern Union of Mexico, Canada, US East, and US West.

Those farkers would go bankrupt like Texas did and come slinking back with their tail tucked between their legs.


Do you honestly think they will let the rest of us get away? They want our money and won't give them up.
 
2022-08-16 6:32:03 AM  
And if anyone doubts how quickly red states would fall into chaos...

Look at what happens when they have 1/2" of snow in the forecast. Absolute chaos, empty shelves, and the entire region shuts down. Now imagine communications, banking, and utilities going dark for more than a few days. Compounded with the rest of the country not being there to bail them out.

It'd be an absolute hellscape.
 
2022-08-16 6:53:59 AM  

koder: If it came to it, no war needed; give them a South Derpistan, split the free states, turn North America into a Northern Union of Mexico, Canada, US East, and US West.

Those farkers would go bankrupt like Texas did and come slinking back with their tail tucked between their legs.


I'm not sure what's left now that red states are willing to give up quality public education, social security, and Medicare, severely restrict Medicaid (block grants).

Of course, none of them understand that this is what the GQP stands for, but here we are.
 
2022-08-16 6:57:25 AM  

sidailurch: You know, I'm really not entirely disgusted at the thought of fields full of dead treason weasels and meal team six maga trash. The smell, sure. But what a nice visual.

/I'll be over here on the side with all the tanks and planes.


Watch out!
 
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