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(History Channel)   On this day in history, in 1945, Emperor Hirohito announced Japan's surrender and ended the war in the Pacific, but would henceforth be forced to ignore Winston Zeddemore's advice on what to do when someone asks if you're a god   (history.com) divider line
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2022-08-15 2:14:16 PM  
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2022-08-15 2:53:22 PM  
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2022-08-15 2:54:03 PM  
Japan lost more than a war-it lost a god.

Shiva is a biatch.
 
2022-08-15 3:03:05 PM  
I hope to visit Japan one day. Seems like a neat place
 
2022-08-15 3:03:12 PM  
Wait, I thought August 6 and August 9 were victory over Japan day.
 
2022-08-15 3:06:02 PM  
Waiting for a resident farker to come in and post the Gar Alperovitz book written about how the US dropped the bomb as a show of force against the Soviets and blah blah blah. Even though the book was written before the magic intercepts were unclassified showing every conclusion he wrote was incorrect. And Gar was caught misquoting and truncating quotes of the people involved.
 
2022-08-15 3:06:59 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: Seems like a neat place


I have lived there for a year. It is so different, beautiful, strange, crowded, efficient and bizzare. You should go if you can do it. Unforgettable.
 
2022-08-15 3:11:03 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: I hope to visit Japan one day. Seems like a neat place


Hentai jokes aside, it's a pretty nice trip. I went there in the 90s though but AIUI it's still a good thing.


/got to tour Nagasaki and the bomb museum
//damn creepy stuff in there
 
2022-08-15 3:13:04 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: I hope to visit Japan one day. Seems like a neat place


I was lucky enough to visit Tokyo and Yokohama for a couple of weeks. I found the entire place amazing. I'm sure it would wear off quickly but everything is just different enough to be fascinating. I'd go again in a heart beat.
 
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2022-08-15 3:16:18 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: I hope to visit Japan one day. Seems like a neat place


No, it's a horrible place full of horrible people who deserved to die.
Did you not see the FUNEE MEMES????
 
2022-08-15 3:16:34 PM  

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Anything about Unit 731 should come with a stern warning that you can't unread certain things
 
2022-08-15 3:26:16 PM  
Japan should have simply declared victory in 1939 and been done with the war before it became a World War.

They would have held half of China and been the biggest power in the Pacific. A non-aggression pact with the USA would have allowed the latter to focus entirely on Europe and bring down Hitler sooner while ensuring Japanese dominance in the East for the next several decades.
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Confrontation with USA was not inevitable, but hubris won the day.
 
2022-08-15 3:31:54 PM  

Shaggy_C: Japan should have simply declared victory in 1939 and been done with the war before it became a World War.

They would have held half of China and been the biggest power in the Pacific. A non-aggression pact with the USA would have allowed the latter to focus entirely on Europe and bring down Hitler sooner while ensuring Japanese dominance in the East for the next several decades.
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Confrontation with USA was not inevitable, but hubris won the day.


But they didn't have no oil.

Plus we didn't want any other powers swimming around in our lake.
 
2022-08-15 3:33:56 PM  

Shaggy_C: Japan should have simply declared victory in 1939 and been done with the war before it became a World War.

They would have held half of China and been the biggest power in the Pacific. A non-aggression pact with the USA would have allowed the latter to focus entirely on Europe and bring down Hitler sooner while ensuring Japanese dominance in the East for the next several decades.
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Confrontation with USA was not inevitable, but hubris won the day.


Yeah I never understood why they didn't sit back with the Pacific as a buffer. The come at me bro defense.
 
2022-08-15 3:34:46 PM  
And now Japan is a peace-loving paragon of democracy in its region. A clear net positive to the world. 80 years can change a lot... Ain't that right, Deutschland?

I'd also like to thank Japan for all the anime/manga nerds out there, grown-ass dudes who sincerely refer to themselves as 'Super Saiyans' etc., and some of whom are even willing to date me. Oh, and for giving me the idea to start my own panty vending machine empire.
 
2022-08-15 3:36:05 PM  

Clash City Farker: Shaggy_C: Japan should have simply declared victory in 1939 and been done with the war before it became a World War.

They would have held half of China and been the biggest power in the Pacific. A non-aggression pact with the USA would have allowed the latter to focus entirely on Europe and bring down Hitler sooner while ensuring Japanese dominance in the East for the next several decades.
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Confrontation with USA was not inevitable, but hubris won the day.

But they didn't have no oil.

Plus we didn't want any other powers swimming around in our lake.


Was going to say even if they don't attack Pearl Harbor the US may have had issues with Japan invading the Dutch East Indies for the oil.
 
2022-08-15 3:44:29 PM  
WWII and prior, the Japanese were fanatical believers that their Emperor was God...and you see how that turned out for everyone.

Just imagine the shiat-storm that is waiting in North Korea when you have decades of indoctrination that your leader is God, a starving populace and zero access to the 'real' world; probably under the impression the North Korea is the most technologically advanced Country on the world.

China is getting the same way.
 
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2022-08-15 3:50:32 PM  

Shaggy_C: Japan should have simply declared victory in 1939 and been done with the war before it became a World War.

They would have held half of China and been the biggest power in the Pacific. A non-aggression pact with the USA would have allowed the latter to focus entirely on Europe and bring down Hitler sooner while ensuring Japanese dominance in the East for the next several decades.
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Confrontation with USA was not inevitable, but hubris won the day.


Yeah and Hitler could have had Russia if he had rolled the Ukrainians they "liberated" instead of slaughtering them like the untermenschen he considered them. The scorpion doesn't know how not to scorp.
 
2022-08-15 3:51:08 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: the US dropped the bomb as a show of force against the Soviets and blah blah blah


We dropped the bombs because we already spend big money on them (spent more money on the B-29 - the delivery vehicles cost more than the bombshell...) and we wanted real test data from drops on cities. You don't spend like $5 billion (1945 dollars) on a huge weapon project and then NOT use it!
 
2022-08-15 3:53:56 PM  

mrmopar5287: Red Shirt Blues: the US dropped the bomb as a show of force against the Soviets and blah blah blah

We dropped the bombs because we already spend big money on them (spent more money on the B-29 - the delivery vehicles cost more than the bombshell...) and we wanted real test data from drops on cities. You don't spend like $5 billion (1945 dollars) on a huge weapon project and then NOT use it!


And them farking Nazis went and surrendered before we could send a thank you note from their Jewish scientists we borrowed.
 
2022-08-15 3:54:20 PM  
How does one type in an English-voiceover-with delay-Japanese-movie-style ?
 
2022-08-15 3:57:04 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: I hope to visit Japan one day. Seems like a neat place


I've been several times. Lots of fun. Really expensive.
Alternatively you could visit South Korea. It's like a dirtier, cheaper Japan.
 
2022-08-15 3:58:36 PM  
I had a great time in Japan, an ancient culture that still thrives today. I used my JR Pass with a vengeance, tooling off to a different city every day. Himeji castle is a must see along with the temples at Kyoto and Nara.
 
2022-08-15 4:08:34 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: I hope to visit Japan one day. Seems like a neat place


I do also plus it is safe. I would take google earth and virtually drive around looking at JDM used cars.
9k red line so we got a us made s2000 a great car. But the food the safety just is top notch.

Alas my father was there at the time in the Marines he came back but never left finally got sober.
My uncles all were in Europe. I am not much of a believer in war as they were very farked up men.

But that was one war that well we were preparing from with war plans since the Spanish American war when we got ceded some hmm colonies....

Besides those Japanese websites are funny/cool/wtf in 1.
 
2022-08-15 4:15:13 PM  

Shaggy_C: Confrontation with USA was not inevitable, but hubris won the day.


Japan still needed key resources beyond what you show there. The US certainly wasn't going to supply them, even with a non agression pact, and with the rest of the world caught up in war, nobody else would really be looking to hand them out.

Their military technology was quickly outpaced by the allies and germany, so they didn't really have anything worthwhile to trade as well. There is also no guarantee the Soviets would have stayed out of it after the end of the war in Europe, which in your example would have come sooner and thus less Soviet casualties.

It also assumes that the US and allies trust Japan to honor their side, and throw the might of their pacific resources into europe, which they in no way would have done, because, well, Japan was slimey as shiat then.
 
2022-08-15 4:19:07 PM  

MythDragon: pastramithemosterotic: I hope to visit Japan one day. Seems like a neat place

I've been several times. Lots of fun. Really expensive.
Alternatively you could visit South Korea. It's like a dirtier, cheaper Japan.


Don't forget more capitalist-dystopian. It is also that. The food is bonkers good though.
 
2022-08-15 4:21:52 PM  

mrmopar5287: Red Shirt Blues: the US dropped the bomb as a show of force against the Soviets and blah blah blah

We dropped the bombs because we already spend big money on them (spent more money on the B-29 - the delivery vehicles cost more than the bombshell...) and we wanted real test data from drops on cities. You don't spend like $5 billion (1945 dollars) on a huge weapon project and then NOT use it!


We dropped them because the projections of an actual land invasion of the home islands were horrific, on both sides. The purple hearts we hand out 80 years later and after numerous conflicts are still leftovers from ones we made in preparation for that.

We dropped them because we were worried a protracted end to the war would risk public opinion shifting, and us not bringing it to a final conclusion

We dropped them because we needed to rebuild europe, and clearing the plate was going to help with that

We dropped them to show the soviets what we could do, so don't get any ideas any time soon

We dropped them and kind of crossed our fingers that ending the war sooner might give China a shot at avoiding communism in Japanese held territory when the soviets rolled through or local resistance started pointing their guns at stuff other than the Japanese, and avoiding an expansion of communism. We half pulled that off with Taiwan, and South Korea.
 
2022-08-15 4:22:34 PM  

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Mass extermination of civilian populations has never been a good thing, no matter who does it. That's just, like, my opinion though.
 
2022-08-15 4:26:44 PM  

mrmopar5287: Red Shirt Blues: the US dropped the bomb as a show of force against the Soviets and blah blah blah

We dropped the bombs because we already spend big money on them (spent more money on the B-29 - the delivery vehicles cost more than the bombshell...) and we wanted real test data from drops on cities. You don't spend like $5 billion (1945 dollars) on a huge weapon project and then NOT use it!


We dropped the bombs because we had them. They were just another weapon. We really didn't expect them to surrender so fast. There was a showdown coming between Nimitz and MacArthur. Nimitz and King were going to withdraw the Navy's support for operation Olympic slated for November. After the damage the Navy took off Okinawa and the build up of defenses in Kyushu they wanted to just go with Coronet slated for the spring and in the meantime blockade. Marshal was committed to Olympic but I have the feeling he would have sided with King and Nimitz if push came to shove. True we wanted virgin targets but this practice was used before for new bombing techniques in both theater of operations. And the money, yeah bit I think more it was how would you reconcile to the American people you had this tremendous weapon and not use it?
 
2022-08-15 4:31:24 PM  

LineNoise: Shaggy_C: Confrontation with USA was not inevitable, but hubris won the day.

Japan still needed key resources beyond what you show there. The US certainly wasn't going to supply them, even with a non agression pact, and with the rest of the world caught up in war, nobody else would really be looking to hand them out.

Their military technology was quickly outpaced by the allies and germany, so they didn't really have anything worthwhile to trade as well. There is also no guarantee the Soviets would have stayed out of it after the end of the war in Europe, which in your example would have come sooner and thus less Soviet casualties.

It also assumes that the US and allies trust Japan to honor their side, and throw the might of their pacific resources into europe, which they in no way would have done, because, well, Japan was slimey as shiat then.


Know how they got that way?
Being treated like shiate at Versailles in 1919.
 
2022-08-15 4:31:36 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: mrmopar5287: Red Shirt Blues: the US dropped the bomb as a show of force against the Soviets and blah blah blah

We dropped the bombs because we already spend big money on them (spent more money on the B-29 - the delivery vehicles cost more than the bombshell...) and we wanted real test data from drops on cities. You don't spend like $5 billion (1945 dollars) on a huge weapon project and then NOT use it!

We dropped the bombs because we had them. They were just another weapon. We really didn't expect them to surrender so fast. There was a showdown coming between Nimitz and MacArthur. Nimitz and King were going to withdraw the Navy's support for operation Olympic slated for November. After the damage the Navy took off Okinawa and the build up of defenses in Kyushu they wanted to just go with Coronet slated for the spring and in the meantime blockade. Marshal was committed to Olympic but I have the feeling he would have sided with King and Nimitz if push came to shove. True we wanted virgin targets but this practice was used before for new bombing techniques in both theater of operations. And the money, yeah bit I think more it was how would you reconcile to the American people you had this tremendous weapon and not use it?


Interestingly enough the B-29 program was more expensive than the Manhattan project. It too LeMay to figure out how to use it so it was effective.
 
2022-08-15 4:32:01 PM  

LineNoise: mrmopar5287: Red Shirt Blues: the US dropped the bomb as a show of force against the Soviets and blah blah blah

We dropped the bombs because we already spend big money on them (spent more money on the B-29 - the delivery vehicles cost more than the bombshell...) and we wanted real test data from drops on cities. You don't spend like $5 billion (1945 dollars) on a huge weapon project and then NOT use it!

We dropped them because the projections of an actual land invasion of the home islands were horrific, on both sides. The purple hearts we hand out 80 years later and after numerous conflicts are still leftovers from ones we made in preparation for that.

We dropped them because we were worried a protracted end to the war would risk public opinion shifting, and us not bringing it to a final conclusion

We dropped them because we needed to rebuild europe, and clearing the plate was going to help with that

We dropped them to show the soviets what we could do, so don't get any ideas any time soon

We dropped them and kind of crossed our fingers that ending the war sooner might give China a shot at avoiding communism in Japanese held territory when the soviets rolled through or local resistance started pointing their guns at stuff other than the Japanese, and avoiding an expansion of communism. We half pulled that off with Taiwan, and South Korea.


We dropped them because it was convenient and Truman wanted to make good on his bragging to Stalin. Once it became clear Russia had come out of the war intact and they would invade Japan, Japan would fold. They barely beat Russia at full strength, and they were more than familiar with the brutality their military would employ indiscriminately. That was as compelling as a nuke through any lens of Japanese history.

We nuked population centers to save the lives of soldiers, simple as that. Be okay with it if you want, but don't ignore the atrocity.
 
2022-08-15 4:35:15 PM  

Monocultured: We nuked population centers to save the lives of soldiers, simple as that. Be okay with it if you want, but don't ignore the atrocity.


To save OUR soldiers, and other members of the japanese populace.

Or like, we want to ignore how the Japanese military conducted itself on a broad scale? How even when the emperor wanted to call it quits, there was a very strong push to still fight it out from his inner circle?
 
2022-08-15 4:40:11 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: And the money, yeah bit I think more it was how would you reconcile to the American people you had this tremendous weapon and not use it?


It was secret. The American public only found out we had atom bombs when we used them. If we hadn't used them they would stay secret for a while longer.
 
2022-08-15 4:40:26 PM  

Monocultured: LineNoise: mrmopar5287: Red Shirt Blues: the US dropped the bomb as a show of force against the Soviets and blah blah blah

We dropped the bombs because we already spend big money on them (spent more money on the B-29 - the delivery vehicles cost more than the bombshell...) and we wanted real test data from drops on cities. You don't spend like $5 billion (1945 dollars) on a huge weapon project and then NOT use it!

We dropped them because the projections of an actual land invasion of the home islands were horrific, on both sides. The purple hearts we hand out 80 years later and after numerous conflicts are still leftovers from ones we made in preparation for that.

We dropped them because we were worried a protracted end to the war would risk public opinion shifting, and us not bringing it to a final conclusion

We dropped them because we needed to rebuild europe, and clearing the plate was going to help with that

We dropped them to show the soviets what we could do, so don't get any ideas any time soon

We dropped them and kind of crossed our fingers that ending the war sooner might give China a shot at avoiding communism in Japanese held territory when the soviets rolled through or local resistance started pointing their guns at stuff other than the Japanese, and avoiding an expansion of communism. We half pulled that off with Taiwan, and South Korea.

We dropped them because it was convenient and Truman wanted to make good on his bragging to Stalin. Once it became clear Russia had come out of the war intact and they would invade Japan, Japan would fold. They barely beat Russia at full strength, and they were more than familiar with the brutality their military would employ indiscriminately. That was as compelling as a nuke through any lens of Japanese history.

We nuked population centers to save the lives of soldiers, simple as that. Be okay with it if you want, but don't ignore the atrocity.


In that war? Define atrocity. We killed more in the firebombing of Tokyo in one night than either of the atomic attacks. The Japanese slaughtered more Chinese civilians in retaliation for the Doolittle raid than was killed in both Atomic attacks. That Rubicon had been crossed many times already in that war by then.
 
2022-08-15 4:41:58 PM  

mrmopar5287: Red Shirt Blues: And the money, yeah bit I think more it was how would you reconcile to the American people you had this tremendous weapon and not use it?

It was secret. The American public only found out we had atom bombs when we used them. If we hadn't used them they would stay secret for a while longer.


But I'm saying after the war. It wouldn't have been a secret. And imagine the public outcry if it hadn't been used.
 
2022-08-15 4:44:55 PM  

ObscureNameHere: LineNoise: Shaggy_C: Confrontation with USA was not inevitable, but hubris won the day.

Japan still needed key resources beyond what you show there. The US certainly wasn't going to supply them, even with a non agression pact, and with the rest of the world caught up in war, nobody else would really be looking to hand them out.

Their military technology was quickly outpaced by the allies and germany, so they didn't really have anything worthwhile to trade as well. There is also no guarantee the Soviets would have stayed out of it after the end of the war in Europe, which in your example would have come sooner and thus less Soviet casualties.

It also assumes that the US and allies trust Japan to honor their side, and throw the might of their pacific resources into europe, which they in no way would have done, because, well, Japan was slimey as shiat then.

Know how they got that way?
Being treated like shiate at Versailles in 1919.


They were not exactly the main player in 1919 and they got to keep some of those seized german colonies.

And anyone who complains about the bomb, as horrific as it is, several multiples more would of died in an invasion and /or simply starved to death as Japan was simply cut off by that point.
 
2022-08-15 4:56:32 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: Monocultured: LineNoise: mrmopar5287: Red Shirt Blues: the US dropped the bomb as a show of force against the Soviets and blah blah blah

We dropped the bombs because we already spend big money on them (spent more money on the B-29 - the delivery vehicles cost more than the bombshell...) and we wanted real test data from drops on cities. You don't spend like $5 billion (1945 dollars) on a huge weapon project and then NOT use it!

We dropped them because the projections of an actual land invasion of the home islands were horrific, on both sides. The purple hearts we hand out 80 years later and after numerous conflicts are still leftovers from ones we made in preparation for that.

We dropped them because we were worried a protracted end to the war would risk public opinion shifting, and us not bringing it to a final conclusion

We dropped them because we needed to rebuild europe, and clearing the plate was going to help with that

We dropped them to show the soviets what we could do, so don't get any ideas any time soon

We dropped them and kind of crossed our fingers that ending the war sooner might give China a shot at avoiding communism in Japanese held territory when the soviets rolled through or local resistance started pointing their guns at stuff other than the Japanese, and avoiding an expansion of communism. We half pulled that off with Taiwan, and South Korea.

We dropped them because it was convenient and Truman wanted to make good on his bragging to Stalin. Once it became clear Russia had come out of the war intact and they would invade Japan, Japan would fold. They barely beat Russia at full strength, and they were more than familiar with the brutality their military would employ indiscriminately. That was as compelling as a nuke through any lens of Japanese history.

We nuked population centers to save the lives of soldiers, simple as that. Be okay with it if you want, but don't ignore the atrocity.

In that war? Define atrocity. We killed more in the firebombing of Tokyo in one night than either of the atomic attacks. The Japanese slaughtered more Chinese civilians in retaliation for the Doolittle raid than was killed in both Atomic attacks. That Rubicon had been crossed many times already in that war by then.


It is tough for me to wrap my head around the scale of WWII. My best guess is to look at what is happening in Ukraine, increase the scope by two orders of magnitude or more, and spread it across most of the world.

The amount of death and suffering beggars belief, and yet the war had to be won. It was existential.
 
2022-08-15 4:57:56 PM  
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2022-08-15 4:59:55 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: mrmopar5287: Red Shirt Blues: And the money, yeah bit I think more it was how would you reconcile to the American people you had this tremendous weapon and not use it?

It was secret. The American public only found out we had atom bombs when we used them. If we hadn't used them they would stay secret for a while longer.

But I'm saying after the war. It wouldn't have been a secret. And imagine the public outcry if it hadn't been used.


What about the war ending would have declassified the Manhattan Project?

It would remain secret for as long as possible.
 
2022-08-15 5:03:18 PM  

BrundleFlyForAWhiteGuy: Red Shirt Blues: Monocultured: LineNoise: mrmopar5287: Red Shirt Blues: the US dropped the bomb as a show of force against the Soviets and blah blah blah

We dropped the bombs because we already spend big money on them (spent more money on the B-29 - the delivery vehicles cost more than the bombshell...) and we wanted real test data from drops on cities. You don't spend like $5 billion (1945 dollars) on a huge weapon project and then NOT use it!

We dropped them because the projections of an actual land invasion of the home islands were horrific, on both sides. The purple hearts we hand out 80 years later and after numerous conflicts are still leftovers from ones we made in preparation for that.

We dropped them because we were worried a protracted end to the war would risk public opinion shifting, and us not bringing it to a final conclusion

We dropped them because we needed to rebuild europe, and clearing the plate was going to help with that

We dropped them to show the soviets what we could do, so don't get any ideas any time soon

We dropped them and kind of crossed our fingers that ending the war sooner might give China a shot at avoiding communism in Japanese held territory when the soviets rolled through or local resistance started pointing their guns at stuff other than the Japanese, and avoiding an expansion of communism. We half pulled that off with Taiwan, and South Korea.

We dropped them because it was convenient and Truman wanted to make good on his bragging to Stalin. Once it became clear Russia had come out of the war intact and they would invade Japan, Japan would fold. They barely beat Russia at full strength, and they were more than familiar with the brutality their military would employ indiscriminately. That was as compelling as a nuke through any lens of Japanese history.

We nuked population centers to save the lives of soldiers, simple as that. Be okay with it if you want, but don't ignore the atrocity.

In that war? Define atrocity. We kil ...


I just finished Tower of Skulls by Richard Frank. Covers the war in China 1937-1942. It was horrific. The Japanese gave the Germans a run for their money on the eastern front.
 
2022-08-15 5:05:24 PM  

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2022-08-15 5:12:03 PM  

mrmopar5287: Red Shirt Blues: mrmopar5287: Red Shirt Blues: And the money, yeah bit I think more it was how would you reconcile to the American people you had this tremendous weapon and not use it?

It was secret. The American public only found out we had atom bombs when we used them. If we hadn't used them they would stay secret for a while longer.

But I'm saying after the war. It wouldn't have been a secret. And imagine the public outcry if it hadn't been used.

What about the war ending would have declassified the Manhattan Project?

It would remain secret for as long as possible.


If the war had ended without a US invasion I can't envision a small army of scientist returning to the campus and keeping their mouths shut. I have never met a professor that didn't love to hear himself talk. And with the war over, and Russia being our ally kind of, coupled with the left lean in academia, I think it would have come out.

If we invaded and the bombs hadn't been used that would have been waaaay to big of a political knife not to be unsheathed. Too many political rats that knew that would have wanted to use that. You see we had this weapon but the gutless...(insert person and/or political party) didn't use it!!
 
2022-08-15 5:21:36 PM  
Japan is still upset to this day we got Hawaii before they did.
 
2022-08-15 5:35:06 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Know how they got that way?
Being treated like shiate at Versailles in 1919.


and they became everything they hated and biatched about at that for the next 30 years, and still are probably some of the most xenophobic and racist cultures there is.
 
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