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(Game Rant)   The 6 biggest Legend of Zelda retcons, where seven wise men are better than having three here   (gamerant.com) divider line
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2022-08-15 6:30:23 AM  
He thinks it's been the same Master Sword between all the games and therefore creation stories mismatching is an issue. Not a retcon.

Wiseman vs sages. A translation difference, not a retcon.

He doesn't understand racism. Not a retcon.

Existence of Termina from Majora's Mask. Not a retcon.

Existence of the Rito. Apparently he doesn't understand evolution or time either. BOTW is not before Wind Waker, it's after.

The Skeikah. Again, dude doesn't understand time has occurred before BOTW. It's not weird that a tribe would change and grow over time.

Screenrant, stick to movies, this was stupid.
 
2022-08-15 7:03:22 AM  
Lot of games from my time. Interesting article.
 
2022-08-15 7:17:51 AM  
Not sure how you retcon a series with multiple timelines.

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2022-08-15 8:14:52 AM  
1. The split timeline actually works surprisingly well for the series as a whole.
2.  The timeline doesn't matter.  Nintendo doesn't care about continuity (aside from the direct sequel titles).  They make the game they want first, then figure out where it might work after-the-fact.
 
2022-08-15 8:35:00 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Not sure how you retcon a series with multiple timelines.

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That chart was created to explain the contradictions in the series. It's inherently a retcon itself.
 
2022-08-15 9:00:36 AM  

NeoCortex42: 1. The split timeline actually works surprisingly well for the series as a whole.
2.  The timeline doesn't matter.  Nintendo doesn't care about continuity (aside from the direct sequel titles).  They make the game they want first, then figure out where it might work after-the-fact.


They did the same thing with Metroid Prime 1-3. Make a fun and unique fps. Add metroids because metroids are cool. Sort of realize that you killed all the metroids off so put the Prime game between 1 & 2. But really that was basically just a little easter egg because who actually cares. The game is fun.

It's like in Star Wars. In the books Chewbacca got killed because it's hard to write stories about him because he doesn't speak.

In the movies they brought him back because who cares what the books say, Chewbacca is cool and looks awesome on the big screen.
 
2022-08-15 9:04:59 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: AppleOptionEsc: Not sure how you retcon a series with multiple timelines.

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That chart was created to explain the contradictions in the series. It's inherently a retcon itself.


There's no contradictions being explained. It was never intended to be one single unified story with the same characters. It's a series of reboots and retellings and related tales. The timelines came in later because of people who need continuity where none is necessary.

The people who think the contradictions matter must assume these are a few years apart, as opposed to thousands of years with cyclic characters and themes. That's confusing, because this clearly isn't the same world, the same Link, Zelda, Gannon etc.

Half the games aren't even in a Hyrule. Windwaker, Link's Awakening, Majora's Mask, Skyward Sword, Oracle of Seasons, Oracle of Ages, Phantom Hourglass... These are clearly not "two years later" stories.

Hell, the triforce isn't even in many of these.

The series as a whole fits fine with thinking there was a tale, real or myth, and the people within the world named their children after the characters in the story. You know, like people naming their kids biblical names or Muhammad. Not every Jesus is the son of God from the bible right?
 
2022-08-15 9:11:28 AM  

Quantumbunny: Tyrone Slothrop: AppleOptionEsc: Not sure how you retcon a series with multiple timelines.

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That chart was created to explain the contradictions in the series. It's inherently a retcon itself.

There's no contradictions being explained. It was never intended to be one single unified story with the same characters. It's a series of reboots and retellings and related tales. The timelines came in later because of people who need continuity where none is necessary.

The people who think the contradictions matter must assume these are a few years apart, as opposed to thousands of years with cyclic characters and themes. That's confusing, because this clearly isn't the same world, the same Link, Zelda, Gannon etc.

Half the games aren't even in a Hyrule. Windwaker, Link's Awakening, Majora's Mask, Skyward Sword, Oracle of Seasons, Oracle of Ages, Phantom Hourglass... These are clearly not "two years later" stories.

Hell, the triforce isn't even in many of these.

The series as a whole fits fine with thinking there was a tale, real or myth, and the people within the world named their children after the characters in the story. You know, like people naming their kids biblical names or Muhammad. Not every Jesus is the son of God from the bible right?


The timeline doesn't claim they're all the same people.  Aside from a couple specific games, they're considered generations apart.  Naming every princess Zelda is a tradition and Ganon/Link are basically reincarnated regularly.
 
2022-08-15 9:16:54 AM  

NeoCortex42: Quantumbunny: Tyrone Slothrop: AppleOptionEsc: Not sure how you retcon a series with multiple timelines.

[Fark user image image 193x750]

That chart was created to explain the contradictions in the series. It's inherently a retcon itself.

There's no contradictions being explained. It was never intended to be one single unified story with the same characters. It's a series of reboots and retellings and related tales. The timelines came in later because of people who need continuity where none is necessary.

The people who think the contradictions matter must assume these are a few years apart, as opposed to thousands of years with cyclic characters and themes. That's confusing, because this clearly isn't the same world, the same Link, Zelda, Gannon etc.

Half the games aren't even in a Hyrule. Windwaker, Link's Awakening, Majora's Mask, Skyward Sword, Oracle of Seasons, Oracle of Ages, Phantom Hourglass... These are clearly not "two years later" stories.

Hell, the triforce isn't even in many of these.

The series as a whole fits fine with thinking there was a tale, real or myth, and the people within the world named their children after the characters in the story. You know, like people naming their kids biblical names or Muhammad. Not every Jesus is the son of God from the bible right?

The timeline doesn't claim they're all the same people.  Aside from a couple specific games, they're considered generations apart.  Naming every princess Zelda is a tradition and Ganon/Link are basically reincarnated regularly.


Oh, I want to say it was windwaker. This is strictly from memeory. And I am sure it is explained on some website better. I did complete the game almost 2 decades ago.

The impression I got from Windwaker+ was they triforce cycle was like wheel of time. Link, Zelda and Ganon are recycled, and zelda got something like a memory download of her previous life.

Or maybe she translated the ancient writings. I honestly can't remember. Was Ganon sealed away and just plot dumping?
 
2022-08-15 9:32:01 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: NeoCortex42: Quantumbunny: Tyrone Slothrop: AppleOptionEsc: Not sure how you retcon a series with multiple timelines.

[Fark user image image 193x750]

That chart was created to explain the contradictions in the series. It's inherently a retcon itself.

There's no contradictions being explained. It was never intended to be one single unified story with the same characters. It's a series of reboots and retellings and related tales. The timelines came in later because of people who need continuity where none is necessary.

The people who think the contradictions matter must assume these are a few years apart, as opposed to thousands of years with cyclic characters and themes. That's confusing, because this clearly isn't the same world, the same Link, Zelda, Gannon etc.

Half the games aren't even in a Hyrule. Windwaker, Link's Awakening, Majora's Mask, Skyward Sword, Oracle of Seasons, Oracle of Ages, Phantom Hourglass... These are clearly not "two years later" stories.

Hell, the triforce isn't even in many of these.

The series as a whole fits fine with thinking there was a tale, real or myth, and the people within the world named their children after the characters in the story. You know, like people naming their kids biblical names or Muhammad. Not every Jesus is the son of God from the bible right?

The timeline doesn't claim they're all the same people.  Aside from a couple specific games, they're considered generations apart.  Naming every princess Zelda is a tradition and Ganon/Link are basically reincarnated regularly.

Oh, I want to say it was windwaker. This is strictly from memeory. And I am sure it is explained on some website better. I did complete the game almost 2 decades ago.

The impression I got from Windwaker+ was they triforce cycle was like wheel of time. Link, Zelda and Ganon are recycled, and zelda got something like a memory download of her previous life.

Or maybe she translated the ancient writings. I honestly can't remember. Was Ganon sealed away and just plot dumping?


I forget the specifics of Wind Waker, but the basic gist is the story starts with Skyward Sword and the first Zelda helps seal a great evil away with Link's help. Every princess is named after her to honor her. The evil eventually comes back thanks to Ganondorf/Ganon. Each time the evil force returns, the Hero is reincarnated to fight him.

The split timeline tries to make sense of some world stuff like flooding or the existence of different creatures, but the only consistent thing is that the good vs evil battle is a cycle across generations, with occasional side stories thrown in.
 
2022-08-15 10:17:28 AM  
Quantumbunny:

The series as a whole fits fine with thinking there was a tale, real or myth, and the people within the world named their children after the characters in the story. You know, like people naming their kids biblical names or Muhammad. Not every Jesus is the son of God from the bible right?

People are dumb and can't understand what legend means. Similar to the many versions of Hercules or King Arthur that are not in the same "continuity" as the last story that was created by different people.

It's easier for them to understand some convoluted "after the fact story line" than a company using name recognition to sell games.

The people that need a Zelda timeline are the same fans that think George Lucas really planned the saga out back in the day and not just using "in media res" as a plot device for the original movie.
 
2022-08-15 11:17:28 AM  

Quantumbunny: He thinks it's been the same Master Sword between all the games and therefore creation stories mismatching is an issue. Not a retcon.

Wiseman vs sages. A translation difference, not a retcon.

He doesn't understand racism. Not a retcon.

Existence of Termina from Majora's Mask. Not a retcon.

Existence of the Rito. Apparently he doesn't understand evolution or time either. BOTW is not before Wind Waker, it's after.

The Skeikah. Again, dude doesn't understand time has occurred before BOTW. It's not weird that a tribe would change and grow over time.



These games take place as deep dives into particular points in Hyrulean history with the assumption that tons of shiat happens in between. BOTW is at the end of all the timelines by thousands and thousands of years. There is plenty of time for all of these disputed events to take place, especially given the differential timelines. The moment that different games are said to take place at different points in Hyrulean history--it inherently creates retroactive continuity. There is a notion of general sequence  that has long been there, but the games deliberately take place at points relative to things such as the Imprisoning War. Once Wind Waker came out and references that Link wasn't available as the Hero of Time because he was busy in Termina, you know it's a sequence. Skyward Sword deliberately makes reference to how oral tradition corrupts and loses and transposes material handed down through history. None of this is particularly difficult for an aficionado to explain, but that's not the job I get paid to do. I'm sure someone from Zelda Informer or such could do it. The game is openly an unreliable narrator for good reasons.

/what remains of that kingdom?
//none remain who know lol
 
2022-08-15 11:32:54 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Oh, I want to say it was windwaker. This is strictly from memeory. And I am sure it is explained on some website better. I did complete the game almost 2 decades ago


Phantom Hourglass takes place directly after Wind Waker. Majora's Mask takes place directly after Ocarina of Time, and Oracle of Seasons/Ages is the same character I believe. But the general cycle is explained as a dying karmic curse from Demise -- wherever the incarnation of the Goddess and the blood of the Hero go, he'll torment them through reincarnation. So where you have Ganondorf, Maladeus, Onox, Bellum, its a reincarnation of Demise, it seems. Impa, as a servant of Zelda and therefore the servant of the Goddess appears to be reincarnated as well. The biggest "retconning" issues aren't really mentioned in the story--how the Goddess Hylia only becomes important as a character later on in the series when she become the origin of the story, how the Four Sword, the Picori Blade, and the Master Sword all relate or interrelate, how Force Gems / Rupees change back and forth and such.
 
2022-08-15 1:28:04 PM  
I just want to say one of the (many) things I appreciate about BOTW is that it just gives the finger to the entire split timeline nonsense and says "yeah all of it happened whatever don't ask questions shut up kid"
 
2022-08-15 6:21:42 PM  

Quantumbunny: There's no contradictions being explained. It was never intended to be one single unified story with the same characters. It's a series of reboots and retellings and related tales. The timelines came in later because of people who need continuity where none is necessary.


That's what I immediately thought too... It's like saying the Michael Bay Transformers movies are "retcons" of the G1 Marvel Comics.

Not only are separate continuities great for creative interpretation, they also tend to make fandoms a lot less toxic. Because you can like what you like and not worry about someone liking a different version.
 
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2022-08-15 7:15:51 PM  
The guy has written 180+ articles for gamerant, he's about to graduate from NYU with a degree in dramatic writing and yet he doesn't understand Zelda at all why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch.
 
2022-08-15 8:50:16 PM  
Ooh ooh now do the top 10 retcons in Final Fantasy!
 
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