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(WTSP)   Some of the neighbors are acting all weird just because a developer wants to tear down a house in the neighborhood and replace it with an industrial incinerator or two   (wtsp.com) divider line
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2022-08-14 7:14:32 AM  
DeSpicable DeVelopment.
 
2022-08-14 7:21:37 AM  
Stand your ground.
 
2022-08-14 8:28:24 AM  
Disclosure - I work at a company that builds Air Curtain Burners. 

These are not for burning trash, only "clean" wood waste. Logs, branches, cut ends from construction, pallets. Nothing pressure treated or painted.  Nowhere in the US will permit burning those things, except after a disaster because of the chemicals released, just as the residents fear. 

Instead of open pile burning, toss the wood in a open topped dumpster looking thing. As it burns, the air curtain traps particles briefly, where they get more fully combusted. Once up to temp, with a raging fire of tons of wood, there is virtually no visible smoke. Only heat waves coming out the top. The air curtain keeps the fire burning hot because of additional oxygen supply so burning is faster than a pile.  You get a 95-98% mass reduction and can utilize the ash in fertilizer and some other processes. Slightly different operation can produce biochar for conditioning soil.

I don't know details about this proposed operation, but I suspect the neighbors are not well informed about the process and are responding on supposition of what they've heard of garbage incineration.
 
2022-08-14 8:52:11 AM  
And I'll add, getting rid of vegetative waste is a massive problem.

Main ways of disposal are burning, grind & haul, and composting.

The grinding just makes the wood smaller, no reduction in mass. Then either mulched or then taken to the dump. Landfills are expensive propositions and they prefer to not fill it up with yards trimmings.  Grinders are expensive machines (around $1M), burn a lot of diesel, and the wood dust is carcinogenic.

Composting cannot be done on the level needed to solve the waste load and poses problems of spontaneous combustion.

Open burning makes a lot of smoke, burns over days or weeks, and can get out of control.  Many places (CA for instance) are banning open burning in the next couple years, so grind & haul or air curtain burning are the only remaining solutions. When you compare the costs between the two, burning uses way less resources and is safer and less polluting. 

This company could very easily get a permit to open burn for now in the same area. The residents should be happy that the company will buy or build the machines to control the pollution.
 
2022-08-14 9:21:33 AM  

dammit just give me a login: I don't know details about this proposed operation, but I suspect the neighbors are not well informed about the process and are responding on supposition of what they've heard of garbage incineration.


Wait. You're suggesting that a local population is leaping to conclusions about a proposed project in their vicinity despite not having even the slightest actual idea what it involves? That they're manipulated more by scary things they've read on social media and NIMBYism than facts? I don't believe you.

Also:

In Messer's community, there are a ton of kids.

Once again, some quality journalism. There are tons of kids, see? Tons of them. I mean maybe if there were only a few hundred pounds of kids, it wouldn't be a big deal. But when you're talking about tons of kids, I mean, you have to think about them or they'll crush you.
 
2022-08-14 10:48:37 AM  
He's only doing it for the LUTZ
 
TWX
2022-08-14 10:57:55 AM  

dammit just give me a login: And I'll add, getting rid of vegetative waste is a massive problem.

Main ways of disposal are burning, grind & haul, and composting.

The grinding just makes the wood smaller, no reduction in mass. Then either mulched or then taken to the dump. Landfills are expensive propositions and they prefer to not fill it up with yards trimmings.  Grinders are expensive machines (around $1M), burn a lot of diesel, and the wood dust is carcinogenic.

Composting cannot be done on the level needed to solve the waste load and poses problems of spontaneous combustion.

Open burning makes a lot of smoke, burns over days or weeks, and can get out of control.  Many places (CA for instance) are banning open burning in the next couple years, so grind & haul or air curtain burning are the only remaining solutions. When you compare the costs between the two, burning uses way less resources and is safer and less polluting. 

This company could very easily get a permit to open burn for now in the same area. The residents should be happy that the company will buy or build the machines to control the pollution.


Which method releases the least amount of carbon from the vegetative waste into the atmosphere?
 
2022-08-14 11:01:36 AM  
See, if you want to get Fark's NIMBY hackles up, you should have went with nuclear.
 
2022-08-14 11:04:40 AM  
I thought Lutz was one of those throw away characters on 30 Rock.
Oh well, I don't care about the town or the character. Carry on.
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2022-08-14 11:05:21 AM  
Sorry concerned neighbors, but if you wanted a state to care about the affect of burning things that would release particulate matter into the atmosphere, you shouldn't have picked Flori
 
2022-08-14 11:06:25 AM  

dammit just give me a login: Disclosure - I work at a company that builds Air Curtain Burners. 

These are not for burning trash, only "clean" wood waste. Logs, branches, cut ends from construction, pallets. Nothing pressure treated or painted.  Nowhere in the US will permit burning those things, except after a disaster because of the chemicals released, just as the residents fear. 

Instead of open pile burning, toss the wood in a open topped dumpster looking thing. As it burns, the air curtain traps particles briefly, where they get more fully combusted. Once up to temp, with a raging fire of tons of wood, there is virtually no visible smoke. Only heat waves coming out the top. The air curtain keeps the fire burning hot because of additional oxygen supply so burning is faster than a pile.  You get a 95-98% mass reduction and can utilize the ash in fertilizer and some other processes. Slightly different operation can produce biochar for conditioning soil.

I don't know details about this proposed operation, but I suspect the neighbors are not well informed about the process and are responding on supposition of what they've heard of garbage incineration.


It'll still be a 24/7 smell of burning wood in the neighbourhood. No thank you.
 
2022-08-14 11:19:36 AM  

TWX: dammit just give me a login: And I'll add, getting rid of vegetative waste is a massive problem.

Main ways of disposal are burning, grind & haul, and composting.

The grinding just makes the wood smaller, no reduction in mass. Then either mulched or then taken to the dump. Landfills are expensive propositions and they prefer to not fill it up with yards trimmings.  Grinders are expensive machines (around $1M), burn a lot of diesel, and the wood dust is carcinogenic.

Composting cannot be done on the level needed to solve the waste load and poses problems of spontaneous combustion.

Open burning makes a lot of smoke, burns over days or weeks, and can get out of control.  Many places (CA for instance) are banning open burning in the next couple years, so grind & haul or air curtain burning are the only remaining solutions. When you compare the costs between the two, burning uses way less resources and is safer and less polluting. 

This company could very easily get a permit to open burn for now in the same area. The residents should be happy that the company will buy or build the machines to control the pollution.

Which method releases the least amount of carbon from the vegetative waste into the atmosphere?


Composting, but that takes space and time. Burning is technically carbon neutral. Grinding, using diesel, is a net carbon gain.
 
2022-08-14 11:20:40 AM  

DerAppie: dammit just give me a login: Disclosure - I work at a company that builds Air Curtain Burners. 

These are not for burning trash, only "clean" wood waste. Logs, branches, cut ends from construction, pallets. Nothing pressure treated or painted.  Nowhere in the US will permit burning those things, except after a disaster because of the chemicals released, just as the residents fear. 

Instead of open pile burning, toss the wood in a open topped dumpster looking thing. As it burns, the air curtain traps particles briefly, where they get more fully combusted. Once up to temp, with a raging fire of tons of wood, there is virtually no visible smoke. Only heat waves coming out the top. The air curtain keeps the fire burning hot because of additional oxygen supply so burning is faster than a pile.  You get a 95-98% mass reduction and can utilize the ash in fertilizer and some other processes. Slightly different operation can produce biochar for conditioning soil.

I don't know details about this proposed operation, but I suspect the neighbors are not well informed about the process and are responding on supposition of what they've heard of garbage incineration.

It'll still be a 24/7 smell of burning wood in the neighbourhood. No thank you.


Probably burns cleaner than a wood stove, which are plentiful in my area.
 
2022-08-14 11:22:07 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Sorry concerned neighbors, but if you wanted a state to care about the affect of burning things that would release particulate matter into the atmosphere, you shouldn't have picked Flori


They only talked to one neighbor. Not exactly a consensus. But I'm sure that one neighbor will rile up the rest of the community and it'll be pitchforks and torches at midnight. I just hope they film it.
 
2022-08-14 11:24:42 AM  
Where do the developers think they are? Harrisburg, PA?
 
TWX
2022-08-14 11:25:14 AM  

Zeroth Law: TWX: dammit just give me a login: And I'll add, getting rid of vegetative waste is a massive problem.

Main ways of disposal are burning, grind & haul, and composting.

The grinding just makes the wood smaller, no reduction in mass. Then either mulched or then taken to the dump. Landfills are expensive propositions and they prefer to not fill it up with yards trimmings.  Grinders are expensive machines (around $1M), burn a lot of diesel, and the wood dust is carcinogenic.

Composting cannot be done on the level needed to solve the waste load and poses problems of spontaneous combustion.

Open burning makes a lot of smoke, burns over days or weeks, and can get out of control.  Many places (CA for instance) are banning open burning in the next couple years, so grind & haul or air curtain burning are the only remaining solutions. When you compare the costs between the two, burning uses way less resources and is safer and less polluting. 

This company could very easily get a permit to open burn for now in the same area. The residents should be happy that the company will buy or build the machines to control the pollution.

Which method releases the least amount of carbon from the vegetative waste into the atmosphere?

Composting, but that takes space and time. Burning is technically carbon neutral. Grinding, using diesel, is a net carbon gain.


I said the vegetation itself for a reason.

Right now, portable grinding solutions use petroleum fuels.

This application is for a fixed solution. No reason it couldn't be electrical-powered if a grinder. Which means as more and more electrical generation is performed without fossil fuels, the less the carbon impact over time, even if right now there is that impact based on generation.
 
2022-08-14 11:26:18 AM  
I am a hot lonely teenage girl, and an assassin. I also happen to sell nuclear weapons.  So if you're really interested in any of that, please dial 988 and they will put you directly in contact with me.

I look forward to hearing from this community, soon!
 
2022-08-14 11:29:42 AM  

dammit just give me a login: Disclosure - I work at a company that builds Air Curtain Burners. 

These are not for burning trash, only "clean" wood waste. Logs, branches, cut ends from construction, pallets. Nothing pressure treated or painted.  Nowhere in the US will permit burning those things, except after a disaster because of the chemicals released, just as the residents fear. 

Instead of open pile burning, toss the wood in a open topped dumpster looking thing. As it burns, the air curtain traps particles briefly, where they get more fully combusted. Once up to temp, with a raging fire of tons of wood, there is virtually no visible smoke. Only heat waves coming out the top. The air curtain keeps the fire burning hot because of additional oxygen supply so burning is faster than a pile.  You get a 95-98% mass reduction and can utilize the ash in fertilizer and some other processes. Slightly different operation can produce biochar for conditioning soil.

I don't know details about this proposed operation, but I suspect the neighbors are not well informed about the process and are responding on supposition of what they've heard of garbage incineration.


Its that "after a disaster" part that concerns them and general "fark you" attitudes of Florida Man.

Rules go out the window after a big storm.

But it's Lutz.  Who would notice?  Lead in the drinking water would probably up the average IQ.
 
2022-08-14 11:31:00 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Sorry concerned neighbors, but if you wanted a state to care about the affect of burning things that would release particulate matter into the atmosphere, you shouldn't have picked Flori


Location: New Jersey


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2022-08-14 11:32:12 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Sorry concerned neighbors, but if you wanted a state to care about the affect of burning things that would release particulate matter into the atmosphere, you shouldn't have picked Flori


Exactly.  Floriduh is all about the freedumbz.  No regulation.  Business is king.  Property owners are the undisputed masters of their property.  What are these people complaining about?  They got what they wanted.
 
2022-08-14 11:33:15 AM  
As long as it's not affordable housing for the victims of capitalism. N.I.M.B.Y. AmIright?


As Jesus said; "Grind the less fortunate into boatpaint for your masters that they may build industry with your flesh."
 
2022-08-14 11:34:08 AM  

Turbo Cojones: dammit just give me a login: Disclosure - I work at a company that builds Air Curtain Burners. 

These are not for burning trash, only "clean" wood waste. Logs, branches, cut ends from construction, pallets. Nothing pressure treated or painted.  Nowhere in the US will permit burning those things, except after a disaster because of the chemicals released, just as the residents fear. 

Instead of open pile burning, toss the wood in a open topped dumpster looking thing. As it burns, the air curtain traps particles briefly, where they get more fully combusted. Once up to temp, with a raging fire of tons of wood, there is virtually no visible smoke. Only heat waves coming out the top. The air curtain keeps the fire burning hot because of additional oxygen supply so burning is faster than a pile.  You get a 95-98% mass reduction and can utilize the ash in fertilizer and some other processes. Slightly different operation can produce biochar for conditioning soil.

I don't know details about this proposed operation, but I suspect the neighbors are not well informed about the process and are responding on supposition of what they've heard of garbage incineration.

Its that "after a disaster" part that concerns them and general "fark you" attitudes of Florida Man.

Rules go out the window after a big storm.

But it's Lutz.  Who would notice?  Lead in the drinking water would probably up the average IQ.


and specifically how the definition of "after a disaster" is determined by which ever politician who's pockets may or may not be lined with money from the company looking to burn stuff for profit in the middle of a residential neighborhood.
 
2022-08-14 11:34:38 AM  

dammit just give me a login: Disclosure - I work at a company that builds Air Curtain Burners. 

These are not for burning trash, only "clean" wood waste. Logs, branches, cut ends from construction, pallets. Nothing pressure treated or painted.  Nowhere in the US will permit burning those things, except after a disaster because of the chemicals released, just as the residents fear. 

Instead of open pile burning, toss the wood in a open topped dumpster looking thing. As it burns, the air curtain traps particles briefly, where they get more fully combusted. Once up to temp, with a raging fire of tons of wood, there is virtually no visible smoke. Only heat waves coming out the top. The air curtain keeps the fire burning hot because of additional oxygen supply so burning is faster than a pile.  You get a 95-98% mass reduction and can utilize the ash in fertilizer and some other processes. Slightly different operation can produce biochar for conditioning soil.

I don't know details about this proposed operation, but I suspect the neighbors are not well informed about the process and are responding on supposition of what they've heard of garbage incineration.


I think they neighbors are quite well informed about promises about how clean a business is vs the reality and how hard it is to get them shut down once they shut down the air curtain to save money and bribing local city councils to allow them to keep operating.
 
2022-08-14 11:37:30 AM  
I don't understand what the hubbub is all about - I'd love to have a commercial incense burner in my neighborhood. Maybe if they were allowed to do an initial public demonstration, they could instantly dispel negative energy and invoke relaxation over the project?
 
2022-08-14 11:38:21 AM  

aungen: I am a hot lonely teenage girl, and an assassin. I also happen to sell nuclear weapons.  So if you're really interested in any of that, please dial 988 and they will put you directly in contact with me.

I look forward to hearing from this community, soon!


I want to be assassinated by a hot teanage girl with a nuclear weapon, but only from space.  I'll give you my GPS coordinates after I find a suitable location where no one else will be irradiated.  If you can astronaut to your list of skills, we may have a deal.
 
2022-08-14 11:39:37 AM  

johnny_vegas: DarkSoulNoHope: Sorry concerned neighbors, but if you wanted a state to care about the affect of burning things that would release particulate matter into the atmosphere, you shouldn't have picked Flori

Location: New Jersey


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New Jersey:

familyvacationcritic.comView Full Size

funnewjersey.comView Full Size
 
2022-08-14 11:41:28 AM  

TWX: Zeroth Law: TWX: dammit just give me a login: And I'll add, getting rid of vegetative waste is a massive problem.

Main ways of disposal are burning, grind & haul, and composting.

The grinding just makes the wood smaller, no reduction in mass. Then either mulched or then taken to the dump. Landfills are expensive propositions and they prefer to not fill it up with yards trimmings.  Grinders are expensive machines (around $1M), burn a lot of diesel, and the wood dust is carcinogenic.

Composting cannot be done on the level needed to solve the waste load and poses problems of spontaneous combustion.

Open burning makes a lot of smoke, burns over days or weeks, and can get out of control.  Many places (CA for instance) are banning open burning in the next couple years, so grind & haul or air curtain burning are the only remaining solutions. When you compare the costs between the two, burning uses way less resources and is safer and less polluting. 

This company could very easily get a permit to open burn for now in the same area. The residents should be happy that the company will buy or build the machines to control the pollution.

Which method releases the least amount of carbon from the vegetative waste into the atmosphere?

Composting, but that takes space and time. Burning is technically carbon neutral. Grinding, using diesel, is a net carbon gain.

I said the vegetation itself for a reason.

Right now, portable grinding solutions use petroleum fuels.

This application is for a fixed solution. No reason it couldn't be electrical-powered if a grinder. Which means as more and more electrical generation is performed without fossil fuels, the less the carbon impact over time, even if right now there is that impact based on generation.


Also grinding doesn't remove mass and creates fine particulates, still need the composting step. Back to square one.
 
2022-08-14 11:52:56 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: johnny_vegas: DarkSoulNoHope: Sorry concerned neighbors, but if you wanted a state to care about the affect of burning things that would release particulate matter into the atmosphere, you shouldn't have picked Flori

Location: New Jersey


[c.tenor.com image 490x274]

New Jersey:

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[funnewjersey.com image 850x566]


I thought the borders of New Jersey were coextensive with everything visible from the NJT, and its capital is the Linden gas plant?
 
2022-08-14 11:55:54 AM  
Some things don't belong in a backyard. Why isn't this thing being located in an industrial area? I imagine the truck traffic alone would be off-putting in a neighborhood.
 
TWX
2022-08-14 12:05:05 PM  

Zeroth Law: TWX: Zeroth Law: TWX: dammit just give me a login: And I'll add, getting rid of vegetative waste is a massive problem.

Main ways of disposal are burning, grind & haul, and composting.

The grinding just makes the wood smaller, no reduction in mass. Then either mulched or then taken to the dump. Landfills are expensive propositions and they prefer to not fill it up with yards trimmings.  Grinders are expensive machines (around $1M), burn a lot of diesel, and the wood dust is carcinogenic.

Composting cannot be done on the level needed to solve the waste load and poses problems of spontaneous combustion.

Open burning makes a lot of smoke, burns over days or weeks, and can get out of control.  Many places (CA for instance) are banning open burning in the next couple years, so grind & haul or air curtain burning are the only remaining solutions. When you compare the costs between the two, burning uses way less resources and is safer and less polluting. 

This company could very easily get a permit to open burn for now in the same area. The residents should be happy that the company will buy or build the machines to control the pollution.

Which method releases the least amount of carbon from the vegetative waste into the atmosphere?

Composting, but that takes space and time. Burning is technically carbon neutral. Grinding, using diesel, is a net carbon gain.

I said the vegetation itself for a reason.

Right now, portable grinding solutions use petroleum fuels.

This application is for a fixed solution. No reason it couldn't be electrical-powered if a grinder. Which means as more and more electrical generation is performed without fossil fuels, the less the carbon impact over time, even if right now there is that impact based on generation.

Also grinding doesn't remove mass and creates fine particulates, still need the composting step. Back to square one.


landfill the chips and cap them over as individual sections fill.  set up gas vent capture systems to collect decay gases.  Perhaps use those for power plant fuels rather than drilling more natural gas wells.
 
2022-08-14 12:05:42 PM  
Dire Straits - Industrial Disease (1982)
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2022-08-14 12:08:55 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: johnny_vegas: DarkSoulNoHope: Sorry concerned neighbors, but if you wanted a state to care about the affect of burning things that would release particulate matter into the atmosphere, you shouldn't have picked Flori

Location: New Jersey


[c.tenor.com image 490x274]

New Jersey:

[familyvacationcritic.com image 850x425]
[funnewjersey.com image 850x566]


file.ejatlas.orgView Full Size
 
2022-08-14 12:23:44 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Turbo Cojones: dammit just give me a login: Disclosure - I work at a company that builds Air Curtain Burners. 

These are not for burning trash, only "clean" wood waste. Logs, branches, cut ends from construction, pallets. Nothing pressure treated or painted.  Nowhere in the US will permit burning those things, except after a disaster because of the chemicals released, just as the residents fear. 

Instead of open pile burning, toss the wood in a open topped dumpster looking thing. As it burns, the air curtain traps particles briefly, where they get more fully combusted. Once up to temp, with a raging fire of tons of wood, there is virtually no visible smoke. Only heat waves coming out the top. The air curtain keeps the fire burning hot because of additional oxygen supply so burning is faster than a pile.  You get a 95-98% mass reduction and can utilize the ash in fertilizer and some other processes. Slightly different operation can produce biochar for conditioning soil.

I don't know details about this proposed operation, but I suspect the neighbors are not well informed about the process and are responding on supposition of what they've heard of garbage incineration.

Its that "after a disaster" part that concerns them and general "fark you" attitudes of Florida Man.

Rules go out the window after a big storm.

But it's Lutz.  Who would notice?  Lead in the drinking water would probably up the average IQ.

and specifically how the definition of "after a disaster" is determined by which ever politician who's pockets may or may not be lined with money from the company looking to burn stuff for profit in the middle of a residential neighborhood.


My Florida town has vast swatches classified as Super fund sites and one in particular resulted in 70 acres of residential housing being demoed, and the aquifer contaminated with ultra nasties.

But job creators.
 
2022-08-14 12:26:39 PM  
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2022-08-14 12:32:31 PM  

johnny_vegas: DarkSoulNoHope: johnny_vegas: DarkSoulNoHope: Sorry concerned neighbors, but if you wanted a state to care about the affect of burning things that would release particulate matter into the atmosphere, you shouldn't have picked Flori

Location: New Jersey


[c.tenor.com image 490x274]

New Jersey:

[familyvacationcritic.com image 850x425]
[funnewjersey.com image 850x566]

[file.ejatlas.org image 850x669]


That was Niagara Falls, New York
 
2022-08-14 12:38:00 PM  
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2022-08-14 1:01:47 PM  

johnny_vegas: DarkSoulNoHope: johnny_vegas: DarkSoulNoHope: Sorry concerned neighbors, but if you wanted a state to care about the affect of burning things that would release particulate matter into the atmosphere, you shouldn't have picked Flori

Location: New Jersey


[c.tenor.com image 490x274]

New Jersey:

[familyvacationcritic.com image 850x425]
[funnewjersey.com image 850x566]

[file.ejatlas.org image 850x669]


Do.... do you think Love Canal is in NJ?

Have you ever even been to NJ?  Ffs.
 
2022-08-14 1:03:54 PM  
Okay, but I still want to know what an "air curtain interactor" is, per TFA's headline.
 
2022-08-14 1:13:15 PM  
Isn't there a poor neighborhood you could put those in?
 
2022-08-14 1:26:40 PM  
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2022-08-14 1:38:27 PM  

dammit just give me a login: Disclosure - I work at a company that builds Air Curtain Burners. 

These are not for burning trash, only "clean" wood waste. Logs, branches, cut ends from construction, pallets. Nothing pressure treated or painted.  Nowhere in the US will permit burning those things, except after a disaster because of the chemicals released, just as the residents fear. 

Instead of open pile burning, toss the wood in a open topped dumpster looking thing. As it burns, the air curtain traps particles briefly, where they get more fully combusted. Once up to temp, with a raging fire of tons of wood, there is virtually no visible smoke. Only heat waves coming out the top. The air curtain keeps the fire burning hot because of additional oxygen supply so burning is faster than a pile.  You get a 95-98% mass reduction and can utilize the ash in fertilizer and some other processes. Slightly different operation can produce biochar for conditioning soil.

I don't know details about this proposed operation, but I suspect the neighbors are not well informed about the process and are responding on supposition of what they've heard of garbage incineration.


What you describe is only if these things burn clean waste only and are operated responsibly. Since that's a fantasy it's best if they're kept out of residential areas.
 
2022-08-14 1:49:40 PM  
If you're not familiar, an air curtain incinerator (ACI) is a device that burns materials like wood waste, clean lumber and yard waste.

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I'm sure every single piece of pressure-treated lumber and the like will be sifted thru and disposed of properly.

/ not to mention painted wood, etc
 
2022-08-14 1:56:05 PM  

TWX: Zeroth Law: TWX: Zeroth Law: TWX: dammit just give me a login: And I'll add, getting rid of vegetative waste is a massive problem.

Main ways of disposal are burning, grind & haul, and composting.

The grinding just makes the wood smaller, no reduction in mass. Then either mulched or then taken to the dump. Landfills are expensive propositions and they prefer to not fill it up with yards trimmings.  Grinders are expensive machines (around $1M), burn a lot of diesel, and the wood dust is carcinogenic.

Composting cannot be done on the level needed to solve the waste load and poses problems of spontaneous combustion.

Open burning makes a lot of smoke, burns over days or weeks, and can get out of control.  Many places (CA for instance) are banning open burning in the next couple years, so grind & haul or air curtain burning are the only remaining solutions. When you compare the costs between the two, burning uses way less resources and is safer and less polluting. 

This company could very easily get a permit to open burn for now in the same area. The residents should be happy that the company will buy or build the machines to control the pollution.

Which method releases the least amount of carbon from the vegetative waste into the atmosphere?

Composting, but that takes space and time. Burning is technically carbon neutral. Grinding, using diesel, is a net carbon gain.

I said the vegetation itself for a reason.

Right now, portable grinding solutions use petroleum fuels.

This application is for a fixed solution. No reason it couldn't be electrical-powered if a grinder. Which means as more and more electrical generation is performed without fossil fuels, the less the carbon impact over time, even if right now there is that impact based on generation.

Also grinding doesn't remove mass and creates fine particulates, still need the composting step. Back to square one.

landfill the chips and cap them over as individual sections fill.  set up gas vent capture systems to collect decay gases.  Perhaps use those for power plant fuels rather than drilling more natural gas wells.


Land fill gas recovery sounds good until you compare costs.
 
2022-08-14 2:10:43 PM  

FriarReb98: DarkSoulNoHope: johnny_vegas: DarkSoulNoHope: Sorry concerned neighbors, but if you wanted a state to care about the affect of burning things that would release particulate matter into the atmosphere, you shouldn't have picked Flori

Location: New Jersey


[c.tenor.com image 490x274]

New Jersey:

[familyvacationcritic.com image 850x425]
[funnewjersey.com image 850x566]

I thought the borders of New Jersey were coextensive with everything visible from the NJT, and its capital is the Linden gas plant?


That's what people that laugh at New Jersey want you to think, then they complain about lack of parking when they come to New Jersey's beaches.
 
2022-08-14 2:15:02 PM  
I have no problem with this: Americans have no problem with pollution and waste as long as it's suffered by the yellow, black, and browns and not next door. 

At least this is bringing it home some. Maybe create less trash you stupid hippies.
 
2022-08-14 2:34:22 PM  
Kinda thing that will allow the permit for building the prison to fly through.
 
2022-08-14 2:34:39 PM  
Everyone do the NIMBY dance!
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2022-08-14 2:46:21 PM  

dammit just give me a login: Disclosure - I work at a company that builds Air Curtain Burners. 

These are not for burning trash, only "clean" wood waste. Logs, branches, cut ends from construction, pallets. Nothing pressure treated or painted.  Nowhere in the US will permit burning those things, except after a disaster because of the chemicals released, just as the residents fear. 

Instead of open pile burning, toss the wood in a open topped dumpster looking thing. As it burns, the air curtain traps particles briefly, where they get more fully combusted. Once up to temp, with a raging fire of tons of wood, there is virtually no visible smoke. Only heat waves coming out the top. The air curtain keeps the fire burning hot because of additional oxygen supply so burning is faster than a pile.  You get a 95-98% mass reduction and can utilize the ash in fertilizer and some other processes. Slightly different operation can produce biochar for conditioning soil.

I don't know details about this proposed operation, but I suspect the neighbors are not well informed about the process and are responding on supposition of what they've heard of garbage incineration.


That is fine then, but even so i do not think where they want to build this facility is a good place for it.
 
2022-08-14 4:18:04 PM  
It's stinky in Florida already.
 
2022-08-14 4:44:27 PM  

Picklehead: [YouTube video: Dire Straits - Industrial Disease (1982)]


Great pick
 
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