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2022-08-13 8:54:59 PM  
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2022-08-13 8:58:26 PM  
is it just me or does it seem like they are speed running the bullshiat excuses phase?

Why are so many republicans still on board with trump. What was in the 2015 RNC email hack. is it really worth going down for treason and espionage?
 
2022-08-13 9:04:22 PM  
Are the FFF guys trying to cause confusion with the Electronic Freedom Foundation?  I had to look twice.
 
2022-08-13 9:06:48 PM  
*blinks*
This is like the 4th excuse ive read in this past hour.
 
2022-08-13 9:12:34 PM  
When do we get the acceptance phase?
 
2022-08-13 9:13:17 PM  
1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong
 
2022-08-13 9:14:23 PM  

mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong


Omg.....we're up to 14 NOW?!?!     🧐
 
2022-08-13 9:19:32 PM  

khitsicker: is it just me or does it seem like they are speed running the bullshiat excuses phase?

Why are so many republicans still on board with trump. What was in the 2015 RNC email hack. is it really worth going down for treason and espionage?


I'm waiting for the event horizon they are light-speeding to...I think their trying to tear the space-lie continuum to see what's on the other side.
 
2022-08-13 9:19:59 PM  
And if Obama had done what trump** has done? Would you be talking about repealing the espionage act or trying to get torture included and a public execution?

I am sensing desperation. And it is increasing hourly. I have a feeling that a lot of people in Washington are becoming aware of what was removed for the Florida lair. More than what we are aware of. It might be a lot worse than we know.
 
2022-08-13 9:20:00 PM  
Even if it were repealed tomorrow, it still wouldn't help trump. Prosecution would proceed. I'm just thankful for whoever strengthened the penalties and forbade offenders from holding future Federal office.
 
2022-08-13 9:21:17 PM  
Throw away the entire premise of government for one fat f*ck from New York City?

I mean... Jesus Christ.
 
2022-08-13 9:21:41 PM  

raerae1980: mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong

Omg.....we're up to 14 NOW?!?!     🧐


They will come up an additional 88 excuses.
 
2022-08-13 9:22:06 PM  

Richard Freckle: khitsicker: is it just me or does it seem like they are speed running the bullshiat excuses phase?

Why are so many republicans still on board with trump. What was in the 2015 RNC email hack. is it really worth going down for treason and espionage?

I'm waiting for the event horizon they are light-speeding to...I think their trying to tear the space-lie continuum to see what's on the other side.


Ok ok ok. Now I am going to have to watch Event Horizon again. Great movie.
 
2022-08-13 9:24:39 PM  

I-K-Rumba: Richard Freckle: khitsicker: is it just me or does it seem like they are speed running the bullshiat excuses phase?

Why are so many republicans still on board with trump. What was in the 2015 RNC email hack. is it really worth going down for treason and espionage?

I'm waiting for the event horizon they are light-speeding to...I think their trying to tear the space-lie continuum to see what's on the other side.

Ok ok ok. Now I am going to have to watch Event Horizon again. Great movie.


watch it again under the premise that its a Warhammer 40k prequel movie and that this is the first time humans breach the warp and encounter chaos gods.
 
2022-08-13 9:30:07 PM  
Tell me you know you hitched your wagon to a guy who will go down as the greatest villain in history..... you know the rest.

They know they are all totally f*cked.
 
2022-08-13 9:34:07 PM  
These dimwits are trying to reinstate abortion laws from the 1800s.  They ought to be just fine with the insurrection act.

// Time for number 15
 
2022-08-13 9:42:51 PM  

HighOnCraic: raerae1980: mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong

Omg.....we're up to 14 NOW?!?!     🧐

They will come up an additional 88 excuses.


I mean....at this rate it wouldn't surprise me
 
2022-08-13 10:10:55 PM  

Original: Original Tweet:

RandPaul: The espionage act was abused from the beginning to jail dissenters of WWI. It is long past time to repeal this egregious affront to the 1st Amendment. Repeal the Espionage Act - The Future of Freedom Foundation https://t.co/3KCgujpS9z


I expect nothing less from a Russian mouthpiece
 
2022-08-13 10:13:57 PM  

mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong


And this is all in like the last 48 hrs
 
2022-08-13 10:24:35 PM  

mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong


I'm sort of morbidly curious how long it takes to hit primae noctis and/or miaphaisitism
 
2022-08-13 10:25:01 PM  

somedude210: mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong

And this is all in like the last 48 hrs


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2022-08-13 10:25:21 PM  

mrshowrules: somedude210: mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong

And this is all in like the last 48 hrs

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F*cking terrified
 
2022-08-13 10:28:35 PM  

OdradekRex: I'm just thankful for whoever strengthened the penalties and forbade offenders from holding future Federal office.


Even the NYT said that won't hold up in court.
 
2022-08-13 10:34:56 PM  
NYT:
With an argument that the disqualification provision of Section 2071 is unconstitutional as relates to the presidency.
Article II of the United States Constitution establishes three criteria for presidential eligibility: One must be a "natural born citizen," at least 35 years old and a resident of the United States for at least 14 years.
Since the Constitution prevails when it and a federal statute conflict, the argument would be that Congress lacks the authority to alter that list of criteria - such as by adding a requirement that one has not been convicted of unlawfully taking government documents.
Notably, the Constitution does authorize Congress to render people ineligible to hold federal office as a penalty for convictions in impeachment proceedings. But nothing in the text of the Constitution says lawmakers may use ordinary criminal law to do so.
 
2022-08-13 10:37:35 PM  

HighOnCraic: raerae1980: mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong

Omg.....we're up to 14 NOW?!?!     🧐

They will come up an additional 88 excuses.


By morning.
 
2022-08-13 10:38:17 PM  
Man, Rand Paul really hates America
 
2022-08-13 10:42:50 PM  

somedude210: Original: Original Tweet:
RandPaul: The espionage act was abused from the beginning to jail dissenters of WWI. It is long past time to repeal this egregious affront to the 1st Amendment. Repeal the Espionage Act - The Future of Freedom Foundation https://t.co/3KCgujpS9z

I expect nothing less from a Russian mouthpiece


The tankie Dem in KY is going to join in the chorus with him. Just wait.
 
2022-08-13 10:44:16 PM  

Tanqueray: NYT:
With an argument that the disqualification provision of Section 2071 is unconstitutional as relates to the presidency.
Article II of the United States Constitution establishes three criteria for presidential eligibility: One must be a "natural born citizen," at least 35 years old and a resident of the United States for at least 14 years.
Since the Constitution prevails when it and a federal statute conflict, the argument would be that Congress lacks the authority to alter that list of criteria - such as by adding a requirement that one has not been convicted of unlawfully taking government documents.
Notably, the Constitution does authorize Congress to render people ineligible to hold federal office as a penalty for convictions in impeachment proceedings. But nothing in the text of the Constitution says lawmakers may use ordinary criminal law to do so.


They seem to forget the 14th Amendment, Section 3... a lot
 
2022-08-13 10:53:34 PM  

GardenWeasel: They seem to forget the 14th Amendment, Section 3... a lot


Yes, but we're talking about espionage, not insurrection.
 
2022-08-13 10:53:41 PM  

Tanqueray: NYT:
With an argument that the disqualification provision of Section 2071 is unconstitutional as relates to the presidency.
Article II of the United States Constitution establishes three criteria for presidential eligibility: One must be a "natural born citizen," at least 35 years old and a resident of the United States for at least 14 years.
Since the Constitution prevails when it and a federal statute conflict, the argument would be that Congress lacks the authority to alter that list of criteria - such as by adding a requirement that one has not been convicted of unlawfully taking government documents.
Notably, the Constitution does authorize Congress to render people ineligible to hold federal office as a penalty for convictions in impeachment proceedings. But nothing in the text of the Constitution says lawmakers may use ordinary criminal law to do so.


Longshot argument: The article doesn't say Congress can't impose additional requirements.
 
2022-08-13 10:56:55 PM  

Bootleg: Tanqueray: NYT:
With an argument that the disqualification provision of Section 2071 is unconstitutional as relates to the presidency.
Article II of the United States Constitution establishes three criteria for presidential eligibility: One must be a "natural born citizen," at least 35 years old and a resident of the United States for at least 14 years.
Since the Constitution prevails when it and a federal statute conflict, the argument would be that Congress lacks the authority to alter that list of criteria - such as by adding a requirement that one has not been convicted of unlawfully taking government documents.
Notably, the Constitution does authorize Congress to render people ineligible to hold federal office as a penalty for convictions in impeachment proceedings. But nothing in the text of the Constitution says lawmakers may use ordinary criminal law to do so.

Longshot argument: The article doesn't say Congress can't impose additional requirements.


That's been shot down several times by SCOTUS.  They have consistently held that if the requirement isn't in the Constitution, no one can add it for federal offices (amending the Constitution excepted of course).
 
2022-08-13 10:59:16 PM  

phalamir: Bootleg: Tanqueray: NYT:
With an argument that the disqualification provision of Section 2071 is unconstitutional as relates to the presidency.
Article II of the United States Constitution establishes three criteria for presidential eligibility: One must be a "natural born citizen," at least 35 years old and a resident of the United States for at least 14 years.
Since the Constitution prevails when it and a federal statute conflict, the argument would be that Congress lacks the authority to alter that list of criteria - such as by adding a requirement that one has not been convicted of unlawfully taking government documents.
Notably, the Constitution does authorize Congress to render people ineligible to hold federal office as a penalty for convictions in impeachment proceedings. But nothing in the text of the Constitution says lawmakers may use ordinary criminal law to do so.

Longshot argument: The article doesn't say Congress can't impose additional requirements.

That's been shot down several times by SCOTUS.  They have consistently held that if the requirement isn't in the Constitution, no one can add it for federal offices (amending the Constitution excepted of course).


Well, I guess it's a good thing the current SCOTUS is so very respectful of prior decisions.

/But yeah, it'll probably be gutted as soon as someone tried to enforce it.
 
2022-08-13 11:00:40 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Throw away the entire premise of government for one fat f*ck from New York City?

I mean... Jesus Christ.


Yeah. They done chose their Jesus, man. It's a done deal. The gullible, the cognitively diseased, along with the morally bankrupt have too much invested in the fantasy to jump tracks now. They are not leaving this train no matter farking what!
 
2022-08-13 11:36:54 PM  

Tanqueray: GardenWeasel: They seem to forget the 14th Amendment, Section 3... a lot

Yes, but we're talking about espionage, not insurrection.


I mean they say there is no other mention in the Constitution, when there is, and it uses the same language as the statute.
 
2022-08-14 1:08:41 AM  

mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong


Can we start a pool to see who can guess exactly how long this list will get?
 
2022-08-14 1:32:04 AM  

fragMasterFlash: mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong

Can we start a pool to see who can guess exactly how long this list will get?


Sure - somebody set an over/under.  I'll take a piece of that action.

Or, I'll lay a month of TF for anyone who hits it on the nose.
 
2022-08-14 1:34:09 AM  
Strange times.  Prior to Trump, the Espionage Act was largely used against whistleblowers and reporters, who usually had the support of liberals (which is not to say Democrats).
 
2022-08-14 2:08:52 AM  
If this shiat doesn't end with criminal charges, then it doesn't end at all
 
2022-08-14 2:10:20 AM  

raerae1980: *blinks*
This is like the 4th excuse ive read in this past hour.


I wonder when they will stop using words and just submit a series of grunts, howls, and screeches while throwing things as a "valid" argument.
 
2022-08-14 2:11:55 AM  

khitsicker: is it just me or does it seem like they are speed running the bullshiat excuses phase?

Why are so many republicans still on board with trump. What was in the 2015 RNC email hack. is it really worth going down for treason and espionage?


Because a midterm election is less than 3 months out. They have to  coordinate the pivot to the "I never really liked him anyway" phase before early voting starts.
 
2022-08-14 2:12:00 AM  

khitsicker: is it just me or does it seem like they are speed running the bullshiat excuses phase?

Why are so many republicans still on board with trump. What was in the 2015 RNC email hack. is it really worth going down for treason and espionage?


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2022-08-14 2:12:43 AM  
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2022-08-14 2:13:51 AM  
And they've still got Alex Jones' phone as a wild card.

There's some MAGAt congresscritters who've been racking up a lot of billable hours since last Friday.
 
2022-08-14 2:14:04 AM  

phalamir: mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong

I'm sort of morbidly curious how long it takes to hit primae noctis and/or miaphaisitism


At this point the smart move would be to burn trump and circle around that DeSantis.

So I expect them to be voting for trump while he's in jail.
 
2022-08-14 2:14:22 AM  

enry: When do we get the acceptance phase?


For the GOP? They've been fine with it from the off.

For the rest of us? NEVER.
 
2022-08-14 2:15:02 AM  
Ron W. Paul is begging Soviet Daddy to fast track his Russian citizenship application.
 
2022-08-14 2:15:20 AM  

fragMasterFlash: mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong

Can we start a pool to see who can guess exactly how long this list will get?


Infinite.

What do I win?
 
2022-08-14 2:16:19 AM  

khitsicker: is it just me or does it seem like they are speed running the bullshiat excuses phase?


If I had to guess, they're constantly getting little bits of info about the investigation that shows them their current excuse isn't going to work, so they change to a new excuse. Lather, rinse, repeat.
 
2022-08-14 2:16:30 AM  

khitsicker: is it just me or does it seem like they are speed running the bullshiat excuses phase?

Why are so many republicans still on board with trump. What was in the 2015 RNC email hack. is it really worth going down for treason and espionage?


I think this is the... 7th? 8th? Lie/excuse we've gotten to in less than a week.
 
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2022-08-14 2:17:37 AM  

enry: When do we get the acceptance phase?


That requires a certain amount of introspection that these chucklefarks simply do not have the capacity for.
 
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