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(NBC News)   Next on the "I didn't do it" carousel: He was just careless and unprepared to move out. Aides packed up everything, so he had no clue what was in the boxes. It was the aides' fault   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2022-08-13 4:51:33 PM  
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2022-08-13 4:57:20 PM  
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See, told you it was the covfefe boy I hardly know!

I was only introduced to him last week!
 
2022-08-13 5:04:18 PM  
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2022-08-13 5:05:00 PM  
This Gish gallop is fast enough to break the sound barrier.
 
2022-08-13 5:06:45 PM  
Overzealous staffer? Really?

Archives TOLD Trump that he had those documents months ago. Armed with that knowledge, he still chose not to return them. This is on him.
 
2022-08-13 5:06:53 PM  
So, in addition to everything else we know about him, he's also a hoarder.
 
2022-08-13 5:08:51 PM  
Except that there was no reason to take any documents whatsoever.
 
2022-08-13 5:09:45 PM  
1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was standing order that any documents I brought to Mar-a-Lago were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled move - completely innocent mistake
 
2022-08-13 5:16:37 PM  
Of course, there were numerous whistleblowers in the White House who have already shone a light on Trump's practice of reversing 25 security denials, of his security practices with regard to telling foreign regimes our secrets, of the NSA hiding information from him because they damned well knew he'd sell it.

His actions regarding classified information have all been intentional, and backed up by evidence of his behavior.  This OOPSY DAISY defense, is a joke, it's a farking joke.  After all his intentional actions to circumvent security, now we're supposed to believe it was a mistake?  No.
 
2022-08-13 5:17:20 PM  

mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was standing order that any documents I brought to Mar-a-Lago were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled move - completely innocent mistake


Point of order:  #11, according to Solomon: There was standing order that any documents I took out of the Oval Office brought to Mar-a-Lago were automatically declassified
 
2022-08-13 5:19:49 PM  
Don't forget now we have folks on the right moving the goalposts to  "WHAR AFFIDAVIT?"
 
2022-08-13 5:24:04 PM  
"There! Will this one let me get away with it, or do I have to come up with something else? When will you let me get away with it, already?! I wanna go golf! ...Whaddayamean there's nothing I can say that will let me get away with it?! No fair! Rigged!"

Etc.

Cuff him already.
 
2022-08-13 5:28:53 PM  
That poor bus.
 
2022-08-13 5:44:45 PM  
Sh*t.  He didn't even wait FOUR MONTHS after being sworn in before revealing highly classified information to the Russians:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html

For the easily paywalled (if you don't want to squint, try a script blocker):

May 15, 2017(The Washington Post)
President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trump's disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

The information the president relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said Trump's decision to do so endangers cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump's meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and the National Security Agency.

"This is code-word information," said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump "revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies."


But yeah.  He's not guilty of anything.  (/s)
 
2022-08-13 5:48:20 PM  
We can tell that they know that they did something wrong, anyway. As infuriating as this is, at least they aren't just shrugging their shoulders and asking us what we're gonna do about it. I do enjoy the squirming.
 
2022-08-13 6:00:39 PM  
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2022-08-13 6:03:38 PM  

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"Tower! It was supposed to be Trump Tower Moscow!" "Yes, well, we did dig this hole toward the center of the Earth already, and because it was the--how you say, "biggliest ever," we thought we'd just throw you in it and you'd be happy."
 
2022-08-13 6:08:04 PM  
Trump's style of handling White House documents has been described by people who worked for him as slapdash and ad hoc, contributing to the debacle he now faces.

How about "criminal" and "childishly defiant".  Use the right freaking words.
 
2022-08-13 6:14:31 PM  
Agents came in and they caught me red-handed
Creeping with the girl next door
Picture this, we were both butt-naked
Banging on the bathroom floor
How could I forget that Merrick 
Garland had an extra key
All this time he was standing there
He never took his eyes off me
 
2022-08-13 6:17:53 PM  
I eagerly await the news that I, somehow, caused the documents to appear at Mar-A-Lago. This despite never having been to Florida, not being in Washington D.C. for 18 years, and not being further east than AZ in a decade.
 
2022-08-13 6:18:57 PM  
Bedminster must reek of flop sweat and hamberder farts nonstop.
 
2022-08-13 7:06:23 PM  
"I was incompetent and reckless" is not the defense you think it is, idiot.
 
2022-08-13 7:07:55 PM  
...which is why they had to retrieve some of them from his safe.

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
 
2022-08-13 7:08:58 PM  

mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was standing order that any documents I brought to Mar-a-Lago were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled move - completely innocent mistake


I hope all of these get gathered and recited to him at his trial.
 
2022-08-13 7:09:07 PM  

mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was standing order that any documents I brought to Mar-a-Lago were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled move - completely innocent mistake


Looks like Maddow will be starting a new board.
 
2022-08-13 7:09:13 PM  
A Scif room was set up at ML.

"When Donald Trump became president in 2017, a SCIF was set up at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, which he referred to as his Winter White House. Trump (at the head of the table with various cabinet members, advisers, and staffers) is seen here monitoring the Syrian cruise missile attack from the Mar-a-Lago SCIF."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_compartmented_information_facility

He didn't have to take it from the WH.
 
2022-08-13 7:09:32 PM  

mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was standing order that any documents I brought to Mar-a-Lago were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled move - completely innocent mistake


Envy is a biatch
 
2022-08-13 7:09:49 PM  
Hey! We were about to put out an APB on Overzealous Intern! Haven't seen them in some time.
 
2022-08-13 7:10:17 PM  
Do we know if he just wanted material for his presidential library?

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2022-08-13 7:10:19 PM  
They keep on glossing over the fact that he was given the opportunity to return the documents multiple times after they were in MAL and didn't do it.
 
2022-08-13 7:10:24 PM  
Even if true, it is literally no excuse. The moment he saw a classified document he would have been required to report it.

He didn't.

Then they subpoenaed the documents that they knew he had. He returned some and that's all they had he swore.

They raided and found more.

So: He did not alert the proper authorities that he was in possession of classified materials, he did not comply with the subpoena to return to them, and he lied when he told them that was all the documents he had.

After 18 months, how you got the secure documents doesn't matter. The crime is having them, not reporting them, not returning them when asked and then saying that you sent back all of them when you sent back less than that.

God damn trumpsuckers at least try to make a better excuse!
 
2022-08-13 7:11:27 PM  

mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was standing order that any documents I brought to Mar-a-Lago were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled move - completely innocent mistake


Maybe if he hadn't been living in denial about the election he would have had more time to prepare for the move.
 
2022-08-13 7:11:29 PM  

Digi in Osaka: A Scif room was set up at ML.

"When Donald Trump became president in 2017, a SCIF was set up at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, which he referred to as his Winter White House. Trump (at the head of the table with various cabinet members, advisers, and staffers) is seen here monitoring the Syrian cruise missile attack from the Mar-a-Lago SCIF."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_compartmented_information_facility

He didn't have to take it from the WH.


While he was president.  He no longer had the authority to keep a SCIF once he was no longer authorized access to the classified materials.
 
2022-08-13 7:11:43 PM  
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2022-08-13 7:12:17 PM  

Madison_Smiled: This Gish gallop is fast enough to break the sound barrier.


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Sound??? This shiat has gone plaid
 
2022-08-13 7:12:29 PM  
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2022-08-13 7:12:31 PM  

Bootleg: I eagerly await the news that I, somehow, caused the documents to appear at Mar-A-Lago. This despite never having been to Florida, not being in Washington D.C. for 18 years, and not being further east than AZ in a decade.


Well, I promise I'll visit you  in prison because damn that's impressive.
 
2022-08-13 7:12:38 PM  
How many different stories have we heard in 5 days? 12? 13?

The fact that they are freaking out this much must mean they KNOW they are in shiat. The fact that there is a Grand Jury, there was a subpoena they ignored, and the fact the FBI wasn't intimidated and walked right into Mar-A-Fraudo must have been a wake-up call for some people that they are about to Find Out for real.

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2022-08-13 7:12:54 PM  

mrshowrules: 1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was standing order that any documents I brought to Mar-a-Lago were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled move - completely innocent mistake


Objection to 12: that might be interpreted to exonerate his aides.  TFG would never have defended the help, no matter how tepidly.
 
2022-08-13 7:14:11 PM  
"lack of preparation for leaving the White House..."

That because he had no intention of leaving, no matter who won the election.
 
2022-08-13 7:14:28 PM  
Only a handful of people in the Trump WH could have even gotten into the room where a lot of those documents were kept, let alone get out of there with documents and not be shot or taken to a place that technically doesn't exist for interrogation.

Forgive me if I don't believe this is some intern accidentally throwing a top secret folder into the box for Barron's video games.
 
2022-08-13 7:14:47 PM  

OhioUGrad: How many different stories have we heard in 5 days? 12? 13?

The fact that they are freaking out this much must mean they KNOW they are in shiat. The fact that there is a Grand Jury, there was a subpoena they ignored, and the fact the FBI wasn't intimidated and walked right into Mar-A-Fraudo must have been a wake-up call for some people that they are about to Find Out for real.

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LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!
 
2022-08-13 7:14:50 PM  

Elliot8654: "I was incompetent and reckless" is not the defense you think it is, idiot.


It is to the Common Clay.
 
2022-08-13 7:15:08 PM  

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So that's why he was with Stormy...
 
2022-08-13 7:15:42 PM  

stoli n coke: Only a handful of people in the Trump WH could have even gotten into the room where a lot of those documents were kept, let alone get out of there with documents and not be shot or taken to a place that technically doesn't exist for interrogation.

Forgive me if I don't believe this is some intern accidentally throwing a top secret folder into the box for Barron's video games.


You hope this is true, but given the state of Trump's administration can you really be sure?
 
2022-08-13 7:15:45 PM  
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2022-08-13 7:15:59 PM  
I declared Mar-a-Largo an official document repository in 2017.  Someone said "Sir, all you have to do is sign something."
 
2022-08-13 7:16:00 PM  
I am really sick of this BS argument that rich ppl get to use the higher up & richer they are
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When you're that f*cking rich, with that much power, authority & responsibility, you don't get to delegate liability to your aides. You don't get to claim ignorance, & it's ridiculous that prosecutors, judges & juries buy this total horseshiat, esp when these same criminals were bragging about how brilliant they were in amassing their wealth & what genius they had to get to the top of the mountain. If you knew enough reap the rewards, you knew enough to be guilty of the crime.
 
2022-08-13 7:16:11 PM  
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2022-08-13 7:16:19 PM  
Then we're in a lot of trouble if aides can just grab packets of secret documents.
 
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