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2022-08-13 4:58:06 PM  
I expect they'll find Jared's fingerprints.
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2022-08-13 5:03:58 PM  
Time to bring Ole Sparky out of retirement.

Possessing that specific info has no value other than to sell it to the highest bidder so they can use it to destroy American intelligence capabilities and kill agents.
 
2022-08-13 5:28:25 PM  
And yet the "real patriots" will still stand up for him
 
2022-08-13 5:36:04 PM  
Treason is the reason for the season
 
2022-08-13 5:37:05 PM  
18 green lights, no idea how much of this is factual. Any of this feel familiar to anyone?

Congrats to Trump on getting the attention that he craves, congrats to businesses that have been struggling without these easy, calorie-free clicks and ratings.

/
 
2022-08-13 5:47:19 PM  

Naido: 18 green lights, no idea how much of this is factual. Any of this feel familiar to anyone?

Congrats to Trump on getting the attention that he craves, congrats to businesses that have been struggling without these easy, calorie-free clicks and ratings.

/


We know there were documents of classified status and higher, some of which even knowing their existence required clearance.

Beyond that we don't know. Some we will never know.
 
2022-08-13 6:00:17 PM  
"could have been"  not "were there"

friends don't let friends read "occupy democrats"
 
2022-08-13 6:06:05 PM  

Naido: 18 green lights, no idea how much of this is factual. Any of this feel familiar to anyone?

Congrats to Trump on getting the attention that he craves, congrats to businesses that have been struggling without these easy, calorie-free clicks and ratings.


We've got to do something to distract ourselves from the absurdity that a man who has beyond any doubt just been shown to have committed capital crimes against the country is the most likely next President, and that the very agents he's selling out will still vote for him, because the majority of the country thinks of a fat, ignorant, adulterous blob as the pinnacle of Christian patriotic manliness.
 
2022-08-13 6:12:47 PM  
I am no DOJ talking guy, but I feel like we've got enough rope to hang folks and are just needlessly endangering people the longer we wait to take action.

I'd love if someone with more knowledge helped me understand some reasons we might not be taking action at this time. Serious question because I feel like I missed something.
 
2022-08-13 6:19:04 PM  

blastoh: "could have been"  not "were there"

friends don't let friends read "occupy democrats"


Occupy Democrats? Not even once! Retweet if you agree!

/I blocked them ages ago
 
2022-08-13 6:19:13 PM  
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2022-08-13 6:36:36 PM  

educated: I am no DOJ talking guy, but I feel like we've got enough rope to hang folks and are just needlessly endangering people the longer we wait to take action.

I'd love if someone with more knowledge helped me understand some reasons we might not be taking action at this time. Serious question because I feel like I missed something.


Well, yes, we have enough if the standard for conviction was "Cause Fark's Poltab thinks it so".  But that isn't how the US judicial system works.  You have to convince 12 randos of "beyond a reasonable doubt".  So, that's not defined, but let's arbitrarily set it at 95%+.  So, 12 people, all of whom have to agree, that there is a 95% chance Trump did it.   And you have to assume you will get at least one generally antigovernmental looloo, and at least one MAGAt just as a matter of course.  So, that 95%+  just rose to 99.X%+ where X is some arbitrarily large number of 9s.

Every crime has a series of elements, things the government has to prove to show you did the naughty.  And the more "interesting" the charge, the more fiddly the definitions become because they are often either deeply technical, deeply subjective, or both.   Note that just because the government can prove an element exists doesn't mean they hit their mark of 90-odd% that you were responsible.  Proving it exists and you did it are totally different exercises.  You basically have to take these 12 randos and hand-hold them through the process of proving every little bit of evidence.  And that's not hyperbole.  90% of any trial is establishing rather mundane facts, because the jury can only use facts presented in the courtroom, not "cause I saw it on the news".  The more fiddly the elements of the crime, the more you have to plod through just mind-numbingly arcane fact-establishing before you ever get to assembling them into an argument.  Jurors are normal people - or worse - and achieve sexual release about as much as you do listening to the phone book be read to them.  And the defense is only tenuously constrained by reality in how they refute evidence.  They get to be the ray of entertaining sunshine in contrast to the dead drudgery of the prosecutor.

That Matlock/Perry Mason, the plaintiffs' lawyer pulled on Alex Jones last week?  That was a once-in-an-entire-law-school's-alumni's-careers' moment - and it still required several days of prep to get there.  If you are a federal prosecutor, you know that you are hoeing an uphill row to try and make anything against Trump stick because he's going to spout pure nonsense and dazzle the jurors with fol-de-rol like his life depends upon it.  So, you need to have all your ducks very precisely in a row so that you can both count off the ducks and do it in a way that counters Trump pulling peacocks out his ass.

TL;DR Real life is not an episode of L&O
 
2022-08-13 6:36:42 PM  
Can we just, you know, end this guy already?
 
2022-08-13 6:41:49 PM  
I'm taking it with a grain of skepticism - for now - but if this is actually true the motherfarker literally needs to be executed.
 
2022-08-13 6:45:46 PM  
Well suffice to say the USA has been compromised.
 
2022-08-13 6:46:56 PM  

phalamir: educated: I am no DOJ talking guy, but I feel like we've got enough rope to hang folks and are just needlessly endangering people the longer we wait to take action.

I'd love if someone with more knowledge helped me understand some reasons we might not be taking action at this time. Serious question because I feel like I missed something.

Well, yes, we have enough if the standard for conviction was "Cause Fark's Poltab thinks it so".  But that isn't how the US judicial system works.  You have to convince 12 randos of "beyond a reasonable doubt".  So, that's not defined, but let's arbitrarily set it at 95%+.  So, 12 people, all of whom have to agree, that there is a 95% chance Trump did it.   And you have to assume you will get at least one generally antigovernmental looloo, and at least one MAGAt just as a matter of course.  So, that 95%+  just rose to 99.X%+ where X is some arbitrarily large number of 9s.

Every crime has a series of elements, things the government has to prove to show you did the naughty.  And the more "interesting" the charge, the more fiddly the definitions become because they are often either deeply technical, deeply subjective, or both.   Note that just because the government can prove an element exists doesn't mean they hit their mark of 90-odd% that you were responsible.  Proving it exists and you did it are totally different exercises.  You basically have to take these 12 randos and hand-hold them through the process of proving every little bit of evidence.  And that's not hyperbole.  90% of any trial is establishing rather mundane facts, because the jury can only use facts presented in the courtroom, not "cause I saw it on the news".  The more fiddly the elements of the crime, the more you have to plod through just mind-numbingly arcane fact-establishing before you ever get to assembling them into an argument.  Jurors are normal people - or worse - and achieve sexual release about as much as you do listening to the phone book be read to them.  And the defense is only tenuously constrained by reality in how they refute evidence.  They get to be the ray of entertaining sunshine in contrast to the dead drudgery of the prosecutor.

That Matlock/Perry Mason, the plaintiffs' lawyer pulled on Alex Jones last week?  That was a once-in-an-entire-law-school's-alumni's-careers' moment - and it still required several days of prep to get there.  If you are a federal prosecutor, you know that you are hoeing an uphill row to try and make anything against Trump stick because he's going to spout pure nonsense and dazzle the jurors with fol-de-rol like his life depends upon it.  So, you need to have all your ducks very precisely in a row so that you can both count off the ducks and do it in a way that counters Trump pulling peacocks out his ass.

TL;DR Real life is not an episode of L&O


Depends on who is reading the phone book, yeah?

Seriously though, thanks for the words. I know all that. I think where I am ... I don't know if this is the right word... hopeful ... is that what is public must not be all they have. And what is public is damning already.

And I am impatient.
 
2022-08-13 6:47:33 PM  
Of all the classified things he had access to, this is the one kind of information I believe his tiny brain could understand, and realize the value of to his... friends... abroad.
 
2022-08-13 6:49:41 PM  
Damn, I really hope there's an open counter-intelligence operation going on and they have recorded proof of Trump or his reps offering/selling the material.

I also hope to god no one gets executed in a foreign country because of Trump's treachery.

/be somewhat ironic if that foreign country was Canada of course then I wouldn't know who to support
 
2022-08-13 6:49:43 PM  

Naido: Congrats to Trump on getting the attention that he craves, congrats to businesses that have been struggling without these easy, calorie-free clicks and ratings.


I'm just here for the mutual fellatio.

I'm sure it's gonna start any minute now...
 
2022-08-13 7:20:42 PM  
So, how many of our spies have died because of whatever putin has on Trump?
 
2022-08-13 7:33:05 PM  
Yep. Dry sponge
 
2022-08-13 7:38:55 PM  

Somaticasual: So, how many of our spies have died because of whatever putin has on Trump?


Trump was linked to assassination of an important middle-East intelligence resource early in his Presidency, right after he met with the Russians in the Oval Office.  I imagine the number of intelligence agents he caused the death of the be significant.  Also, I imagine there have been many missed opportunities to get intelligence from partner nations because they did not trust him.
 
2022-08-13 8:07:16 PM  
At this rate, even the Trumpers will run out of excuses.
 
2022-08-13 8:12:47 PM  
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2022-08-13 8:13:01 PM  
JFC
 
2022-08-13 8:32:47 PM  

edmo: At this rate, even the Trumpers will run out of excuses.


At this point, Trumpers are openly in favor of treason.

Martyr them if they get up in arms about it.

Every vet swore an oath to uphold our constitution, and these shiatweasels want to steal democracy while crying it is stolen.

They are like a rapist yelling rape. An arsonist screaming fire.

They must understand the consequences of supporting a violent overthrow of the government are dire and severe.

I don't care how old they are.
Lock them up.
Lock them all up.

And forget about them.
 
2022-08-13 8:48:53 PM  

phalamir: educated: I am no DOJ talking guy, but I feel like we've got enough rope to hang folks and are just needlessly endangering people the longer we wait to take action.

I'd love if someone with more knowledge helped me understand some reasons we might not be taking action at this time. Serious question because I feel like I missed something.

Well, yes, we have enough if the standard for conviction was "Cause Fark's Poltab thinks it so".  But that isn't how the US judicial system works.  You have to convince 12 randos of "beyond a reasonable doubt".  So, that's not defined, but let's arbitrarily set it at 95%+.  So, 12 people, all of whom have to agree, that there is a 95% chance Trump did it.   And you have to assume you will get at least one generally antigovernmental looloo, and at least one MAGAt just as a matter of course.  So, that 95%+  just rose to 99.X%+ where X is some arbitrarily large number of 9s.

Every crime has a series of elements, things the government has to prove to show you did the naughty.  And the more "interesting" the charge, the more fiddly the definitions become because they are often either deeply technical, deeply subjective, or both.   Note that just because the government can prove an element exists doesn't mean they hit their mark of 90-odd% that you were responsible.  Proving it exists and you did it are totally different exercises.  You basically have to take these 12 randos and hand-hold them through the process of proving every little bit of evidence.  And that's not hyperbole.  90% of any trial is establishing rather mundane facts, because the jury can only use facts presented in the courtroom, not "cause I saw it on the news".  The more fiddly the elements of the crime, the more you have to plod through just mind-numbingly arcane fact-establishing before you ever get to assembling them into an argument.  Jurors are normal people - or worse - and achieve sexual release about as much as you do listening to the phone book be read to them.  And the defense is only tenuously constrained by reality in how they refute evidence.  They get to be the ray of entertaining sunshine in contrast to the dead drudgery of the prosecutor.

That Matlock/Perry Mason, the plaintiffs' lawyer pulled on Alex Jones last week?  That was a once-in-an-entire-law-school's-alumni's-careers' moment - and it still required several days of prep to get there.  If you are a federal prosecutor, you know that you are hoeing an uphill row to try and make anything against Trump stick because he's going to spout pure nonsense and dazzle the jurors with fol-de-rol like his life depends upon it.  So, you need to have all your ducks very precisely in a row so that you can both count off the ducks and do it in a way that counters Trump pulling peacocks out his ass.

TL;DR Real life is not an episode of L&O


If you are charged with a federal crime you have a less than 5% of being found innocent in a trial. The other 95% of the time there is admission of guilt as part of a plea bargain or you are found guilty by a jury.

They don't charge unless they know they can win.
 
2022-08-13 9:04:03 PM  
Remember when Dick Cheney outed a spy?  Maybe this is the beginning of a big comeback for The Decemberists.
 
2022-08-13 9:19:36 PM  

DarnoKonrad: Remember when Dick Cheney outed a spy?  Maybe this is the beginning of a big comeback for The Decemberists.


That's bad news.

For OBAMA!
 
2022-08-13 9:22:14 PM  

Naido: 18 green lights, no idea how much of this is factual. Any of this feel familiar to anyone?

Congrats to Trump on getting the attention that he craves, congrats to businesses that have been struggling without these easy, calorie-free clicks and ratings.

/


The released information confirms Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information. That is stuff the President isn't even allowed to look at if he isn't in the right place.
 
2022-08-13 9:22:40 PM  
Now why would TFG have needed those documents?

It's plausible he was selling them. It's equally plausible he grabbed everything his dirty little meathooks could grab before he left and this just got caught up in the madness.
 
2022-08-13 9:23:37 PM  
If this is true, he may be executed worse than Vigo the Carpathian.
 
2022-08-13 9:25:08 PM  
I'm going to have to buy new pants after this week is over.

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2022-08-13 9:25:37 PM  
OccupyDems and Newsweek for sources.

Imma wait on this one.
 
2022-08-13 9:25:54 PM  

educated: I think where I am ... I don't know if this is the right word... hopeful


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2022-08-13 9:26:14 PM  

edmo: At this rate, even the Trumpers will run out of excuses.


They always have "Fake News!"
 
2022-08-13 9:27:31 PM  

weddingsinger: blastoh: "could have been"  not "were there"

friends don't let friends read "occupy democrats"

Occupy Democrats? Not even once! Retweet if you agree!

/I blocked them ages ago


Yeah, this is a strange green.

/ BRING BACK RAWSTORY

/ not really
 
2022-08-13 9:27:53 PM  
If true, the lives of all of those agents are the responsibility of every trump voter. What ever happens to a single one of them should happen to the entire families of every single trump voter. They are all guilty of treason.
 
2022-08-13 9:29:08 PM  
Whewf. Okay, more and more, I'm leaning towards "okay, something might happen," now.

Like, not even our two-tiered justice system can ignore this, and this time, nobody's around to fall on the sword for Trump.
 
2022-08-13 9:29:13 PM  
So what we need to now is convince him that he's pissed off the Omega Squad or Task Force Epsilon or some other elite crew of semi-retired intelligence agents who just wanted to live quiet lives until some orange a-hole went and blew their covers.

Now they're on a mission of revenge and will stop at nothing until Trump and his whole organization are smoking rubble.
 
2022-08-13 9:29:34 PM  

Naido: 18 green lights, no idea how much of this is factual. Any of this feel familiar to anyone?

Congrats to Trump on getting the attention that he craves, congrats to businesses that have been struggling without these easy, calorie-free clicks and ratings.

/


Does a shiatstain Republican selling out the intelligence community for his own gain sound familiar?

Why, yes. Yes, it does.
 
2022-08-13 9:29:39 PM  
"You see Vlad! Bet you didn't expect that guy was on our payroll, did you? Impressive, eh?"

"Da, very impressive comrade. Oh look, hamburger! *snaps picture*"
 
2022-08-13 9:29:46 PM  

MattytheMouse: Whewf. Okay, more and more, I'm leaning towards "okay, something might happen," now.

Like, not even our two-tiered justice system can ignore this, and this time, nobody's around to fall on the sword for Trump.


... Maybe. Probably.
 
2022-08-13 9:30:35 PM  

ArkAngel: Naido: 18 green lights, no idea how much of this is factual. Any of this feel familiar to anyone?

Congrats to Trump on getting the attention that he craves, congrats to businesses that have been struggling without these easy, calorie-free clicks and ratings.

/

The released information confirms Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information. That is stuff the President isn't even allowed to look at if he isn't in the right place.


And it's definitely something that he can't just declassify at will.
 
2022-08-13 9:31:09 PM  
The CIA or FBI would have taken this guy out already back when America was great.
 
2022-08-13 9:31:11 PM  
Just this morning after brunch I told my brother I would bet there are secret agents of various departments that he got the names of. My brother said rhetorically "what would he use them for?" "China, Russia, the Mob just to name a few would be interested" I said.
 
2022-08-13 9:31:19 PM  
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2022-08-13 9:31:21 PM  

MattytheMouse: MattytheMouse: Whewf. Okay, more and more, I'm leaning towards "okay, something might happen," now.

Like, not even our two-tiered justice system can ignore this, and this time, nobody's around to fall on the sword for Trump.

... Maybe. Probably.


I was about to say. That was uncharacteristically optimistic from you.

But ngl, a perp walk may be a real possibility now. Trump's been pissing off the IC for a long time, and this may be what finally snaps the idea that a President is untouchable.
 
2022-08-13 9:31:30 PM  
*Original reporting by Maggie Haberman

Not saying the information in TFA is falsified, but this attribution merits at least one grain of salt.
 
2022-08-13 9:31:40 PM  
Of course they were.
 
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