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(Yahoo)   Time for Trump to change his story again: In June, at least one of Trump's lawyers told the DOJ that all of the classified materials had been returned. Subby guesses the maid tucked them in a closet while cleaning. Honest mistake   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2022-08-13 12:08:22 PM  
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2022-08-13 12:09:21 PM  
Whoops.
 
2022-08-13 12:11:48 PM  
Man, it must suck to be a lawyer for Trump. He'll never tell you the truth of anything so you're always left twisting in the wind when it comes out you were wrong about something.

I mean, it seems like he's always been this way, so it's not like I pity them, but it still must suck.
 
2022-08-13 12:17:09 PM  
There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
All the documents in the boxes were declassified
I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
The boxes were planted by the FBI
Obama had more boxes
The documents should not have been classified in the first place
The documents were already returned.
What search?
 
2022-08-13 12:22:15 PM  

mrshowrules: There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
All the documents in the boxes were declassified
I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
The boxes were planted by the FBI
Obama had more boxes
The documents should not have been classified in the first place
The documents were already returned.
What search?


I ran out of gas!
I got a flat tire!
I didn't have change for cab fare!
I lost my tux at the cleaners!
I locked my keys in the car!
An old friend came in from out of town!
Someone stole my car!
There was an earthquake!
A terrible flood!
Locusts!
IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!
 
2022-08-13 12:34:25 PM  
I'm confused by this whole records thing.   Nothing about it makes sense.  Why *wouldn't* they have returned the records?    If all you want are the secrets, why not just have an over-zealous intern spend a few hours with a camera phone taking pictures of documents and then send them all back?    Unless, of course, you'd already sold the information and don't want anyone comparing documents.    In which case, why not have a big bonfire and stick with "we never had them"?

I guess I'm gonna go with incompetence and laziness -- too incompetent to assess the seriousness of the infraction, and too lazy (and arrogant) to bother to look for them.
 
2022-08-13 12:39:02 PM  

FrabjousDay: I'm confused by this whole records thing.   Nothing about it makes sense.  Why *wouldn't* they have returned the records?    If all you want are the secrets, why not just have an over-zealous intern spend a few hours with a camera phone taking pictures of documents and then send them all back?    Unless, of course, you'd already sold the information and don't want anyone comparing documents.    In which case, why not have a big bonfire and stick with "we never had them"?

I guess I'm gonna go with incompetence and laziness -- too incompetent to assess the seriousness of the infraction, and too lazy (and arrogant) to bother to look for them.


They were trophies
 
2022-08-13 12:40:40 PM  
I bet every omelette bar waitress and golf course drink girl has heard 'hey, come on up to my room, I'll show you some real Top Secret documents'
 
2022-08-13 12:45:13 PM  

FrabjousDay: I'm confused by this whole records thing.


TFG is a pathological narcissist.  Nothing he does it going to make sense to a healthy mind.

If I had to guess...

He didn't want to risk trusting some intern with the knowledge of what he has or doesn't have -- after all, he thinks everyone hates and envies him because he's so magnificent
It's a control thing.  He wants the hold over the federal government which those documents bring.  He's not going to give up anything he knows is valuable.  Besides, he probably thinks -- in his petty, warped way -- that those documents are HIS and he deserves to keep them
His would-be 'trading partners' won't accept digital copies
They're his 'insurance.'  They're either blackmail against those who might turn him in or his way to buy a safe landing in another country.
 
2022-08-13 1:19:35 PM  

Chariset: They're his 'insurance.'  They're either blackmail against those who might turn him in or his way to buy a safe landing in another country.


Bingo bango.
 
2022-08-13 1:22:44 PM  
just... wow..
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2022-08-13 1:34:27 PM  

blastoh: just... wow..
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Remember, when Trump says , "our country," he is explicitly referring to himself.
 
2022-08-13 1:47:13 PM  

question_dj: blastoh: just... wow..
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Remember, when Trump says , "our country," he is explicitly referring to himself.


and when he refers to violence it is always a veiled threat
 
2022-08-13 2:03:53 PM  
If the lawyer made a materially false statement to federal investigators based on the remarks of his client, would that fall within the fraud-crime exception? Does this leave the lawyer in the lurch? Possibly such that the lawyer is ethically required to stop representing the client due to an arising of a fundamental conflict of interest?

And how much would the average lawyer be willing to pay to avoid being ordered to represent ex-45** at this point?
 
2022-08-13 2:23:46 PM  
When is the custodian of the TS/SCI materials going to be charged with gross negligence for mishandling of national defense materials? They are required to keep a log of all items and are responsible for recording their location being stored in an approved secure location.
 
2022-08-13 2:25:23 PM  

abb3w: If the lawyer made a materially false statement to federal investigators based on the remarks of his client, would that fall within the fraud-crime exception? Does this leave the lawyer in the lurch? Possibly such that the lawyer is ethically required to stop representing the client due to an arising of a fundamental conflict of interest?

And how much would the average lawyer be willing to pay to avoid being ordered to represent ex-45** at this point?


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In the box or on the box, with a helpful picture of the lawyer in question.

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2022-08-13 2:31:35 PM  

Bootleg: Man, it must suck to be a lawyer for Trump. He'll never tell you the truth of anything so you're always left twisting in the wind when it comes out you were wrong about something.

I mean, it seems like he's always been this way, so it's not like I pity them, but it still must suck.


My brother is a lawyer and he had a golden client for a few years that he dumped at a great personal loss. I couldn't understand why he wouldn't just keep taking the money. It took him a few years to build his business back up. When this movie came out:

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he called me and said "Watch that movie! That's what the guy was like! THAT'S WHAT THE GUY WAS LIKE!" Like the client would just drip, drip, drip out bits of information but never the whole truth, then blame my brother when they got crushed in court.

Sometimes the money isn't worth the headache.
 
2022-08-13 2:33:52 PM  

abb3w: If the lawyer made a materially false statement to federal investigators based on the remarks of his client, would that fall within the fraud-crime exception? Does this leave the lawyer in the lurch? Possibly such that the lawyer is ethically required to stop representing the client due to an arising of a fundamental conflict of interest?

And how much would the average lawyer be willing to pay to avoid being ordered to represent ex-45** at this point?


The attorney is just the messenger there.

If Dump said they were all gone, then the attorney is under no obligation to verify that.  His client's word is what is being sworn or attested on the document, not the attorney's word.  Any legal repercussions that arise from making the false statement fall on the client.

Now if the attorney KNEW there were still boxes there, then yes, they are conspiring with their client to commit a crime, and at a minimum, on the hook for conspiracy.

And I'm sure any attorney working for Dump, no matter how stupid they were, would have some paper trail or recording or something proving that he actually said that or signed off on it, just to cover their own ass when he (and you know he will do this) claims the attorney lied.
 
2022-08-13 2:44:05 PM  
propasaurus: FrabjousDay: I'm confused by this whole records thing.   Nothing about it makes sense.  Why *wouldn't* they have returned the records?    If all you want are the secrets, why not just have an over-zealous intern spend a few hours with a camera phone taking pictures of documents and then send them all back?    Unless, of course, you'd already sold the information and don't want anyone comparing documents.    In which case, why not have a big bonfire and stick with "we never had them"?

I guess I'm gonna go with incompetence and laziness -- too incompetent to assess the seriousness of the infraction, and too lazy (and arrogant) to bother to look for them.

They were trophies


But who stores trophies in a basement pantry?
 
2022-08-13 3:01:13 PM  

Somacandra: propasaurus: FrabjousDay: I'm confused by this whole records thing.   Nothing about it makes sense.  Why *wouldn't* they have returned the records?    If all you want are the secrets, why not just have an over-zealous intern spend a few hours with a camera phone taking pictures of documents and then send them all back?    Unless, of course, you'd already sold the information and don't want anyone comparing documents.    In which case, why not have a big bonfire and stick with "we never had them"?

I guess I'm gonna go with incompetence and laziness -- too incompetent to assess the seriousness of the infraction, and too lazy (and arrogant) to bother to look for them.

They were trophies

But who stores trophies in a basement pantry?


Same kind of people that buy a stolen priceless artwork. They want it for the possession, not because they can actually share it.

Except that Trump is stupid enough to advertise he has the stuff.
 
2022-08-13 3:03:42 PM  
In this case I think the lawyer is probably farked more than Trump. Because Trump still is protected for some farking reason.
 
2022-08-13 3:07:10 PM  
Imagine using any of these excuses we've seen so far as basis for a defense in a trial.

This trial is gonna be dumber than Alex Jones.

It should not be televised.
 
2022-08-13 3:08:36 PM  
His staff was getting everything ready to return the boxes, and that's when Hillary called and said: STAND DOWN.
 
2022-08-13 3:08:44 PM  

FrabjousDay: I'm confused by this whole records thing.   Nothing about it makes sense.  Why *wouldn't* they have returned the records?    If all you want are the secrets, why not just have an over-zealous intern spend a few hours with a camera phone taking pictures of documents and then send them all back?    Unless, of course, you'd already sold the information and don't want anyone comparing documents.    In which case, why not have a big bonfire and stick with "we never had them"?

I guess I'm gonna go with incompetence and laziness -- too incompetent to assess the seriousness of the infraction, and too lazy (and arrogant) to bother to look for them.


They probably never heard of microfilm or microdots is my guess.
 
2022-08-13 3:09:20 PM  
Oh, right, like he lets "the help" get near anything valuable.
 
2022-08-13 3:09:29 PM  
Hey, waitaminute!  The FBI asked the lawyer to sign a paper?  That's entrapment! (excuse #38)

Expect this to drop in the next 24 hours.
 
2022-08-13 3:09:53 PM  

abb3w: If the lawyer made a materially false statement to federal investigators based on the remarks of his client, would that fall within the fraud-crime exception? Does this leave the lawyer in the lurch? Possibly such that the lawyer is ethically required to stop representing the client due to an arising of a fundamental conflict of interest?

And how much would the average lawyer be willing to pay to avoid being ordered to represent ex-45** at this point?


You'd have to show the lawyer did not know it was a lie.  If I tell a lawyer there is no body buried in my backyard, they can simply report "my client has no body buried in his backyard."  He's not culpable if there is in fact a body.
 
2022-08-13 3:10:11 PM  
They should have let the ATF handle this.  Mar-A-Lago probably would have oopsied into a crater.
 
2022-08-13 3:10:11 PM  
He's gonna wiggle out of this one, too. Garland really, really doesn't want to indict him. All the lies and misdirection will give him political cover to let it slide.
 
2022-08-13 3:10:12 PM  

make me some tea: Imagine using any of these excuses we've seen so far as basis for a defense in a trial.

This trial is gonna be dumber than Alex Jones.

It should not be televised.


That's just what the deep state antifa liberals want! They want to hide all their lies and blunders behind words and paragraphs that no one is able to read. You ever seen a court typographer work? Her fingers move fast as lightning! Who can read that fast? No one!
 
2022-08-13 3:10:14 PM  

FrabjousDay: I'm confused by this whole records thing.   Nothing about it makes sense.  Why *wouldn't* they have returned the records?    If all you want are the secrets, why not just have an over-zealous intern spend a few hours with a camera phone taking pictures of documents and then send them all back?    Unless, of course, you'd already sold the information and don't want anyone comparing documents.    In which case, why not have a big bonfire and stick with "we never had them"?

I guess I'm gonna go with incompetence and laziness -- too incompetent to assess the seriousness of the infraction, and too lazy (and arrogant) to bother to look for them.


Photos of the Constitution don't go for the same price as original copies on the black market.
 
2022-08-13 3:10:19 PM  
He was reinstated last Ap
 
2022-08-13 3:10:21 PM  
Overzealous Trump attorney.  Nothing to see here.
 
2022-08-13 3:10:36 PM  
April
 
2022-08-13 3:11:29 PM  
Oh please, let National Finding Out Week turn into National Finding Out Month...
 
2022-08-13 3:11:46 PM  
Doesn't this imply that the lawyers reviewed the classified documents to make sure they were accounted for? Which...they're not allowed to do...
 
2022-08-13 3:13:03 PM  

FrabjousDay: I'm confused by this whole records thing.   Nothing about it makes sense.  Why *wouldn't* they have returned the records?    If all you want are the secrets, why not just have an over-zealous intern spend a few hours with a camera phone taking pictures of documents and then send them all back?    Unless, of course, you'd already sold the information and don't want anyone comparing documents.    In which case, why not have a big bonfire and stick with "we never had them"?

I guess I'm gonna go with incompetence and laziness -- too incompetent to assess the seriousness of the infraction, and too lazy (and arrogant) to bother to look for them.


They might serial numbers or other markings.

I think Reality Winner was caught because of the security features in the document itself.
 
2022-08-13 3:13:11 PM  
We basically knew this already, it's why the obstruction of justice charges were there - failing to comply with a subpoena and making false statements when they signed the document stating they had sent back everything.
 
2022-08-13 3:13:23 PM  
One of Trump's super power is continuously getting people to fall on the sword while he waddles on to his next crime.

It's quite amazing. I can't figure it out at all. Do people think, "oh, it will definitely be different this time and not exactly like every other person before me."
 
2022-08-13 3:14:11 PM  

Puglio: He's gonna wiggle out of this one, too. Garland really, really doesn't want to indict him. All the lies and misdirection will give him political cover to let it slide.


He served a warrant on the former president's home because he doesn't want to indict him?
 
2022-08-13 3:14:13 PM  
He's had them for a year and a half. Do you think they're even investigating to see what he's sold?
 
2022-08-13 3:14:48 PM  

helloyesthisisdog: Puglio: He's gonna wiggle out of this one, too. Garland really, really doesn't want to indict him. All the lies and misdirection will give him political cover to let it slide.

He served a warrant on the former president's home because he doesn't want to indict him?


They had to get the documents back, and it was the only way.
 
2022-08-13 3:15:05 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: microdot


Huh.  Apparently that word has more than one meaning.
 
2022-08-13 3:15:09 PM  

FrabjousDay: I'm confused by this whole records thing.   Nothing about it makes sense.  Why *wouldn't* they have returned the records?    If all you want are the secrets, why not just have an over-zealous intern spend a few hours with a camera phone taking pictures of documents and then send them all back?    Unless, of course, you'd already sold the information and don't want anyone comparing documents.    In which case, why not have a big bonfire and stick with "we never had them"?

I guess I'm gonna go with incompetence and laziness -- too incompetent to assess the seriousness of the infraction, and too lazy (and arrogant) to bother to look for them.


Because they are HIS documents.

Trump gets really grabby about shiat he thinks is HIS.

Yeah, he totally had time to Xerox all that stuff, and a normal person would (and Millertongue probably did, that's why they're fingerprinting it), but Trump doesn't want what's ON the papers.

He wants HIS PAPERS.
 
2022-08-13 3:15:13 PM  
Zero chance of Trump facing any consequences for this unless he was caught transmitting them to agents of a foreign power.

You can think me crazy if you want, but every time something really sketchy was going down, Gorka was involved.  Gorka seems like a real goober, and no doubt that is his true character, but a goober's eyes work just as well as anyone else's when it comes to keeping conspirators honest.

So the real question is who does Gorka work for, and what did they want with those documents.
 
2022-08-13 3:16:54 PM  

Puglio: helloyesthisisdog: Puglio: He's gonna wiggle out of this one, too. Garland really, really doesn't want to indict him. All the lies and misdirection will give him political cover to let it slide.

He served a warrant on the former president's home because he doesn't want to indict him?

They had to get the documents back, and it was the only way.


They're referencing the Espionage Act in the warrant because they just wanted the documents back?
 
2022-08-13 3:17:58 PM  

Puglio: He's had them for a year and a half. Do you think they're even investigating to see what he's sold?


Stop thinking he sold this stuff.
same as thinking he was being "blackmailed" by russia.
etc. etc. etc.

he's a narcissistic moron.  he took this stuff because he thought it was his and because he thought he made him look strong and cool. He took them to show them to people while saying shiat like, "see how great I am."

that's it.
And, that is farking bad enough.

Because he would straight up shoe this stuff to people with zero regard for national security just because he is a narcissistic moron.

and that is pretty farked up.
 
2022-08-13 3:18:07 PM  

blastoh: just... wow..
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2022-08-13 3:18:09 PM  

meat0918: In this case I think the lawyer is probably farked more than Trump. Because Trump still is protected for some farking reason.


Yeah, a lot of this could come down to how much his lawyers want to commit legal suicide. They could claim that everything Trump did with the documents was based on their legal guidance.

That being said, the DOJ has a confidential informant, so maybe they're willing to testify that Trump instructed the lawyers not to give back certain documents.
 
2022-08-13 3:18:16 PM  
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Biden and Obama put them there
 
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