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2022-08-13 11:33:05 AM  
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2022-08-13 11:37:09 AM  
Shameless Mushroom Fluffers
 
2022-08-13 11:38:20 AM  
What a couple of choads.
 
2022-08-13 11:43:10 AM  
Didn't they just claim the docs were planted?
 
2022-08-13 11:46:46 AM  

Joe USer: Didn't they just claim the docs were planted?


Are you saying they looped back to the FBI planting, or are you talking about the GSA accidentally packing them up, or has there been some 3rd reason he didn't know about them that I missed because I needed to sleep?
 
2022-08-13 11:48:15 AM  
Ok so we're ditching "they were planted by the FBI" lie and moving on to the "they didn't even need to be classified" lie.

Well then just show us the declassification stamps on the documents in question and we'll move on.

Just so you know classification has nothing to do with the what is spelled out on the search warrant.

Try again!
 
2022-08-13 11:50:58 AM  
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disingenuous
 
2022-08-13 11:53:13 AM  

Bootleg: Joe USer: Didn't they just claim the docs were planted?

Are you saying they looped back to the FBI planting, or are you talking about the GSA accidentally packing them up, or has there been some 3rd reason he didn't know about them that I missed because I needed to sleep?


They are just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks.
 
2022-08-13 11:59:43 AM  

BizarreMan: Bootleg: Joe USer: Didn't they just claim the docs were planted?

Are you saying they looped back to the FBI planting, or are you talking about the GSA accidentally packing them up, or has there been some 3rd reason he didn't know about them that I missed because I needed to sleep?

They are just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks.


Bannon should stick pretty well..does that guy ever take a shower????
 
2022-08-13 12:01:45 PM  

Joe USer: Didn't they just claim the docs were planted?


They were planted and Trump declassified them.

So how does Trump know which documents the FBI planted....?
 
2022-08-13 12:04:48 PM  
Yeah, why don't we just open up the CIA and NSA to the public? That would be a great idea.

Some stuff you want to know sure... other stuff... you really don't.
 
2022-08-13 12:05:44 PM  
There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
All the documents in the boxes were declassified
I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
The boxes were planted by the FBI
Obama had more boxes
The documents should not have been classified in the first place
What search?
 
2022-08-13 12:06:17 PM  
This is just amazing. The FBI and DOJ just handed the Republican Party a great, big, shiny lifeline, and they all turned around and dove straight for Trump's dick.
 
2022-08-13 12:14:13 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Yeah, why don't we just open up the CIA and NSA to the public? That would be a great idea.


There are people who believe that. Unfortunately, they claim to be on our side.
 
2022-08-13 12:16:51 PM  
And how would you know they shouldn't be classified without knowing what was in them?
 
2022-08-13 12:45:45 PM  

mrshowrules: There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
All the documents in the boxes were declassified
I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
The boxes were planted by the FBI
Obama had more boxes
The documents should not have been classified in the first place
What search?


"I've never been to Florida. Mar a Lago? Never heard of it."
 
2022-08-13 1:25:14 PM  
The difficulty is that you're now admitting that he DID knowingly break the law. His 'motives' be damned.

And if he'd just returned them to the National Archives, he could have avoided this. Like MANY of his woes, this is a self inflicted wound borne out of pure ego and pride.

But yeah, keep f*cking this chicken. Just say it: laws don't matter. Blue lives don't matter. No one matters but the wealthy and the rubes who back them. Just get it out there, you fashy little pomps.
 
2022-08-13 2:14:06 PM  
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2022-08-13 2:29:20 PM  

Circusdog320: Ok so we're ditching "they were planted by the FBI" lie and moving on to the "they didn't even need to be classified" lie.

Well then just show us the declassification stamps on the documents in question and we'll move on.

Just so you know classification has nothing to do with the what is spelled out on the search warrant.

Try again!


The declassification stamps are there. It's just that the stamping machine was out of order and they had to use Sharpies.
 
2022-08-13 2:32:07 PM  
"Classified" doesn't matter. The DOJ knew he'd pull that, so they're deliberately going after crimes that are crimes whether the document is classified or not.
 
2022-08-13 2:33:31 PM  
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2022-08-13 2:34:11 PM  
The TL version:
Morning thought after a whirlwind week with the former president, particularly concerning the hoopla over Trump's claim that he "declassified" all the documents he has in his possession and therefore is innocent. Setting aside for a moment how preposterous, underworkable, and lacking in any contemporaneous corroboration that claim is, it's also irrelevant.
A couple of very smart legal commentators have taken note of something that the DoJ very smartly did. The crimes enumerated in the warrant, for which investigators attested there was probable cause to believe they had been violated, relate specifically to the mishandling and removal of government documents. But they very pointedly *don't* include crimes relating to "classified" information. The prosecutors probably knew and expected Trump to make an argument that he, as president, was free to declassify anything anytime he wanted to, as he's done in the past. So they went with other statutes that don't even reference classified material.
As the aptly named Charlie Savage of the NYT pointed out, "two of the laws that a search warrant executed at Mar-a-Lago this week referred to - Sections 1519 and 2071 of Title 18 of the United States Code - make the taking or concealment of government records a crime regardless of whether they had anything to do with national security." And the Espionage Act, which he notes was "enacted by Congress during World War I, decades before President Harry S. Truman issued an executive order creating the modern classification system for the executive branch" also "makes no reference to whether a document has been deemed classified." Instead, the Espionage Act "makes it a crime to retain, without authorization, documents related to the national defense that could be used to harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary."
"Prosecutors could argue that a document meets that act's standard regardless of whether Mr. Trump had pronounced it unclassified short before leaving offic," Savage concludes, and I believe correctly.
All this makes perfect sense in the real world. You wouldn't want a president or other official who has his own rather than the country's interests at heart declassifying documents and removing them from secure locations if at their heart they remain extremely top secret. (Indeed, with some nuclear weapons design information, the president doesn't have the unilateral right to declassify those documents anyway.)
So before we let Trump run with his wild narrative that the document aren't classified simply because he said so, let's take a step back and understand that 1) whatever he says does not even matter in the first instance, and 2) the federal authorities seem to have prepared for this response carefully.
* * *
 
2022-08-13 2:34:53 PM  

namegoeshere: The TL version:
Morning thought after a whirlwind week with the former president, particularly concerning the hoopla over Trump's claim that he "declassified" all the documents he has in his possession and therefore is innocent. Setting aside for a moment how preposterous, underworkable, and lacking in any contemporaneous corroboration that claim is, it's also irrelevant.
A couple of very smart legal commentators have taken note of something that the DoJ very smartly did. The crimes enumerated in the warrant, for which investigators attested there was probable cause to believe they had been violated, relate specifically to the mishandling and removal of government documents. But they very pointedly *don't* include crimes relating to "classified" information. The prosecutors probably knew and expected Trump to make an argument that he, as president, was free to declassify anything anytime he wanted to, as he's done in the past. So they went with other statutes that don't even reference classified material.
As the aptly named Charlie Savage of the NYT pointed out, "two of the laws that a search warrant executed at Mar-a-Lago this week referred to - Sections 1519 and 2071 of Title 18 of the United States Code - make the taking or concealment of government records a crime regardless of whether they had anything to do with national security." And the Espionage Act, which he notes was "enacted by Congress during World War I, decades before President Harry S. Truman issued an executive order creating the modern classification system for the executive branch" also "makes no reference to whether a document has been deemed classified." Instead, the Espionage Act "makes it a crime to retain, without authorization, documents related to the national defense that could be used to harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary."
"Prosecutors could argue that a document meets that act's standard regardless of whether Mr. Trump had pronounced it unclassified short before leaving offic," Savage concludes, and I believe correctly.
All this makes perfect sense in the real world. You wouldn't want a president or other official who has his own rather than the country's interests at heart declassifying documents and removing them from secure locations if at their heart they remain extremely top secret. (Indeed, with some nuclear weapons design information, the president doesn't have the unilateral right to declassify those documents anyway.)
So before we let Trump run with his wild narrative that the document aren't classified simply because he said so, let's take a step back and understand that 1) whatever he says does not even matter in the first instance, and 2) the federal authorities seem to have prepared for this response carefully.
* * *


Forgot to say, not my work.
 
2022-08-13 2:43:17 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: mrshowrules: There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
All the documents in the boxes were declassified
I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
The boxes were planted by the FBI
Obama had more boxes
The documents should not have been classified in the first place
What search?

"I've never been to Florida. Mar a Lago? Never heard of it."


"I was never president, so this is all Hillary's fault.  You should not have elected her in 2016!  I tried to warn you!  LOCK HER UP!   LOCK HER UP!   LOCK HER UP!"
 
2022-08-13 2:50:33 PM  

BizarreMan: Bootleg: Joe USer: Didn't they just claim the docs were planted?

Are you saying they looped back to the FBI planting, or are you talking about the GSA accidentally packing them up, or has there been some 3rd reason he didn't know about them that I missed because I needed to sleep?

They are just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks.


By now there's so much ketchup on those walls that just about anything would stick.
 
2022-08-13 3:16:20 PM  
The rumored stuff will never be declassified.
 
2022-08-13 3:52:58 PM  

Squid_for_Brains: This is just amazing. The FBI and DOJ just handed the Republican Party a great, big, shiny lifeline, and they all turned around and dove straight for Trump's dick.


Yup.  Ain't squid they've got for brains.
 
2022-08-13 3:52:58 PM  

Circusdog320: Ok so we're ditching "they were planted by the FBI" lie and moving on to the "they didn't even need to be classified" lie.

Well then just show us the declassification stamps on the documents in question and we'll move on.

Just so you know classification has nothing to do with the what is spelled out on the search warrant.

Try again!


You skipped, "Trump declassified them."
 
2022-08-13 3:53:28 PM  
I'm sure Russia and China would LOVE to know about whatever DARPA is working on to make sure Skynet becomes self-aware this week, Donnie.
 
2022-08-13 3:54:15 PM  
Why would the FBI plant declassified docs on Trump? Think about it sheeple!
 
2022-08-13 3:55:12 PM  
He's a loon who should be in jail for his role in 1/6
 
2022-08-13 3:55:42 PM  
This isn't just doublespeak.

It's quadraticspeak intended to confuse the listener into brain aneurysm
 
2022-08-13 3:56:05 PM  
Just like I need my female body inspector badge so women know I'm legit and not some random pervert. Makes total sense now.
 
2022-08-13 3:57:07 PM  
They really are throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks.

They aren't trying to convince anyone with a functioning brain. All this is purely for the basket of deplorables.
 
2022-08-13 3:57:19 PM  
Republicans - after all this, do you guys not see how stupid your leaders think you are?
 
2022-08-13 3:57:54 PM  
Bannon is choad
 
2022-08-13 3:58:04 PM  
I think he held onto those documents so he could pretend to still be in charge. He'd pull them out when he had guests to impress them with all the Super Secret Important Information he had. After a round of golf, he'd "consult" with old geezers at the club about where to bomb and which missiles looked cooler. He'd wave them in front of young female employees to convince them how important he is. He had no idea what any of them meant, but he knew they were important because Jerod and Jerod's Saudi friends would all ooh and ah about them when he'd show them off. Also, the guy that works with Putin would tell him which ones he'd need when he finally made the move to Trump Tower Moscow, which is a thing that was going to happen for real sometime very soon.
 
2022-08-13 3:58:19 PM  
Remember the Stormy Daniels brouhaha?

- It didn't happen

- If it did happen, we didn't elect a choirboy

- If it happened, he's a billionaire playboy, that's what they do

- But Clinton!


Good times.
 
2022-08-13 3:58:20 PM  
I'm actually confused. I can't tell where the bullschitt stops and the stupid starts.
I know it's all garbage, but my brain still tried to sort it. *shrug*
 
2022-08-13 3:58:46 PM  

BaldrDash: Just like I need my female body inspector badge so women know I'm legit and not some random pervert. Makes total sense now.


It's important for them to know you're a very specific kind of pervert.
 
2022-08-13 3:58:54 PM  
Usually the guy with an explanation for everything is a goddam liar.
 
2022-08-13 3:59:31 PM  

mrshowrules: There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
All the documents in the boxes were declassified
I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
The boxes were planted by the FBI
Obama had more boxes
The documents should not have been classified in the first place
What search?


What Mar-a-largo? 😁
 
2022-08-13 4:00:56 PM  

clkeagle: They really are throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks.

They aren't trying to convince anyone with a functioning brain. All this is purely for the basket of deplorables.


This is what I don't get.

Anyone stupid enough to still be supporting Trump won't question any excuse the cult leaders give them. There's no need for multiple excuses.
 
2022-08-13 4:01:32 PM  
They are just muddying the waters with myriad excuses so that the cult doesn't know what or whom to believe. This is standard disinformation process. A percentage of people out there, still too large of a percentage for comfort even if it's a minority number, will never ever accept that any crimes were committed by Trump and his people, and if they are arrested, tried, and some jailed, they will remain a constant thorn in the side of this country.
 
2022-08-13 4:02:34 PM  

odinsposse: Why would the FBI plant declassified docs on Trump? Think about it sheeple!


Y'all must be a stooge of Big Pharma, making me think. Thinkin' leads to my brainmeats hurtin'. Hurtin' leads to asprin'. Asprin' leads to them implantin' mind control chips into the younglings to turn them int'a gay frogs. Gay frogs lead to us strayin' further away from Gawd's Busch Light. Study it out!

/ ...I might have legitimately sprained my brain trying to think that stupidly.
 
2022-08-13 4:02:45 PM  
Are we going through some mutant version of the narcissist's prayer here?
 
2022-08-13 4:03:14 PM  
Navarro suffers from the same mental illness as Trump.
Malignant Narcissitic Personalty Disorder...or something...with delusional in it
 
2022-08-13 4:03:22 PM  
The non-existent, declassified documents, planted by the FBI, were all returned earlier, and never should have been classified in the first place?
 
2022-08-13 4:04:24 PM  
Does Peter navarro have clearance to see those documents because it sounds like he just confessed to looking over classified documents stolen from the white house
 
2022-08-13 4:04:31 PM  

namegoeshere: (Indeed, with some nuclear weapons design information, the president doesn't have the unilateral right to declassify those documents anyway.)


The POTUS has no need to know (SCI) design information, just how big a boom it makes.
 
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