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(CNBC)   Saudi Arabia: "Well, if it doesn't work out with our American moles, er, friends, we can always try to work out a deal with China"   (cnbc.com) divider line
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2022-08-13 9:27:40 AM  
You know....Saudi Arabia has a shiat ton of oil...........

/........
 
2022-08-13 9:30:10 AM  
Give the Saudi royals a break. They are in their last generation who will be relevant to the world.

When the globe reaches a critical point in electric transition, Saudi Arabia's economy will make Oklahoma look good. Then all the everyday Saudis who have been fleeced for years by their theocratic monarchy will eat the royals.
 
2022-08-13 9:33:39 AM  

iheartscotch: You know....Saudi Arabia has a shiat ton of oil...........

/........


Sounds like they need some Freedom™.

It's cool; we have experience with this kind of thing. I'm sure we'll be greeted as liberators.
 
2022-08-13 9:33:49 AM  
We need better electrical storage and transmission abilities so we don't have to give a shiat about Saudi Arabia anymore.  Solar collection is already cost effective, but we can't move that electricity around and pack it into small spaces as well as we need to.
 
2022-08-13 9:37:10 AM  
I bet there will be some funny recordings leaked from that golf tourney the other week.
 
2022-08-13 9:37:30 AM  
What influence will the Saudis have once the wells run dry, I wonder?
 
2022-08-13 9:39:32 AM  
Don't we only care about the fact they sell oil in dollars?
 
2022-08-13 9:40:02 AM  
Can you imagine how nice it would be to have a government that doesn't exist to serve an obsolete, planet-killing industry?
Americans claim to love their children, and to want to protect them - but I don't see them out executing the people who are doing this.
The petrochemical industry and the politicians it owns are killing your children, and the only planet they can live on.
Yet, they keep breathing.
I don't think you people really care about your children at all.
 
2022-08-13 9:42:50 AM  
$2 billion for access to TS/SCI documents? Sounds like a pretty good deal...
 
2022-08-13 9:45:17 AM  

jso2897: I don't think you people really care about your children at all.


Sorry but my daughter just doesn't give me the same feeling of validation and control that my Ford Focus does.
 
2022-08-13 9:45:56 AM  

Veloram: What influence will the Saudis have once the wells run dry, I wonder?


Unfortunately they still have control of Mecca. I am praying that one day the Hajj price will go down so I can actually afford going there with my wife as religiously obligated. Maybe when the oil runs out, they'll lower prices to improve the amount of tourism dollars from pilgrims.
 
2022-08-13 9:47:09 AM  

jso2897: Can you imagine how nice it would be to have a government that doesn't exist to serve an obsolete, planet-killing industry?
Americans claim to love their children, and to want to protect them - but I don't see them out executing the people who are doing this.
The petrochemical industry and the politicians it owns are killing your children, and the only planet they can live on.
Yet, they keep breathing.
I don't think you people really care about your children at all.


Assuming murder isn't your cup of tea and you don't have any children, what are you supposed to do besides vote for the right people and show up for the flower-power march?
 
2022-08-13 9:50:11 AM  

Aquapope: We need better electrical storage and transmission abilities so we don't have to give a shiat about Saudi Arabia anymore.  Solar collection is already cost effective, but we can't move that electricity around and pack it into small spaces as well as we need to.


Water towers.
 
2022-08-13 9:51:26 AM  

macadamnut: jso2897: I don't think you people really care about your children at all.

Sorry but my daughter just doesn't give me the same feeling of validation and control that my Ford Focus does.


Ford Focus?  Not even a Chevy Malibu?  Volkswagen Taos, now that's a kid I could love.
 
2022-08-13 9:59:28 AM  

Paleorific: Aquapope: We need better electrical storage and transmission abilities so we don't have to give a shiat about Saudi Arabia anymore.  Solar collection is already cost effective, but we can't move that electricity around and pack it into small spaces as well as we need to.

Water towers.


Water towers are capacitors for a water grid.  We need capacitors for an electric grid, but probably not the same way as electric.  Not giant capacitors in each town or neighborhood.  More like several in each house or building.  Solar collected on the roof and the excess stored in capacitors, when the capacitors are full, the excess is sold to the grid.  When the capacitors are dead and the sun is down, electricity is bought back from the grid.  That's the way it ought to work.  The Koch's could have dropped a few billion on research in the 80s and we'd have that electrical system today, and Wichita would be the Mecca of large-scale electrical technology.
 
2022-08-13 10:01:40 AM  

Veloram: What influence will the Saudis have once the wells run dry, I wonder?


Spare royal heirs to be used as kindling?
 
2022-08-13 10:04:33 AM  
Soooo, they just gonna shrug their shoulders and forget about that 2 billion they gave Kushner?
 
2022-08-13 10:07:12 AM  

jso2897: Can you imagine how nice it would be to have a government that doesn't exist to serve an obsolete, planet-killing industry?
Americans claim to love their children, and to want to protect them - but I don't see them out executing the people who are doing this.
The petrochemical industry and the politicians it owns are killing your children, and the only planet they can live on.
Yet, they keep breathing.
I don't think you people really care about your children at all.


No, that's too shiatty
 
2022-08-13 10:19:01 AM  

thealgorerhythm: Give the Saudi royals a break. They are in their last generation who will be relevant to the world.

When the globe reaches a critical point in electric transition, Saudi Arabia's economy will make Oklahoma look good. Then all the everyday Saudis who have been fleeced for years by their theocratic monarchy will eat the royals.


The Saudis knowing the world is transitioning away from oil, have been attempting to diversify their economy in the last couple of decades. How is it going? well, I'll repeat a Saudi executive somewhat famous quote: "My grandfather rode to work on a donkey, then my father drove to work in a Mercedes. I now drive to work in a Lamborghini. But my son? He will probably ride to work on a donkey."
 
2022-08-13 10:20:34 AM  
"...the U.S. is 'not going anywhere.'"


Thanks Biden
 
2022-08-13 10:23:43 AM  

Aquapope: Paleorific: Aquapope: We need better electrical storage and transmission abilities so we don't have to give a shiat...

Water towers.

Water towers are capacitors for a water grid.  We need capacitors for an electric grid, but probably not the same way as electric.  Not giant capacitors in each town or neighborhood.  More like several in each house or building.  Solar collected on the roof.


The superstructure is there and everywhere. We only have to tap it.

Portability will come with battery technology, which could jump by leaps and bounds at any time.
 
2022-08-13 10:32:13 AM  
China has zero experience operating a military away from home. And their military hardware is either shiatty, or based on Russian tech that they can't export due to licensing. There's no replacing the US as an ally for SA.

China is however a key importer for Saudi oil. Improving ties with China to a point where Beijing has something to lose by annoying Riyadh also makes it so that China has to consider damaging that relation whenever it helps Iran.    Saudi policy is almost 90 percent geared towards death to Iran by a 1000 cuts.
 
2022-08-13 10:41:41 AM  

Veloram: What influence will the Saudis have once the wells run dry, I wonder?


What influence will anyone in the Arabian Peninsula have once the wells run dry?

/no snark, what influence can/will they have?
 
2022-08-13 10:45:10 AM  

Aquapope: Paleorific: Aquapope: We need better electrical storage and transmission abilities so we don't have to give a shiat about Saudi Arabia anymore.  Solar collection is already cost effective, but we can't move that electricity around and pack it into small spaces as well as we need to.

Water towers.

Water towers are capacitors for a water grid.  We need capacitors for an electric grid, but probably not the same way as electric.  Not giant capacitors in each town or neighborhood.  More like several in each house or building.  Solar collected on the roof and the excess stored in capacitors, when the capacitors are full, the excess is sold to the grid.  When the capacitors are dead and the sun is down, electricity is bought back from the grid.  That's the way it ought to work.  The Koch's could have dropped a few billion on research in the 80s and we'd have that electrical system today, and Wichita would be the Mecca of large-scale electrical technology.


Excess electricity can pump water into the tower, then gravity can release it to run small hydro, supposedly. To make a difference it'd need to be a lot of excess in the daytime to make it worth pumping it uphill then enough to release at night.
 
2022-08-13 10:45:47 AM  
Well Trump just gave them nuke secrets, so what do they need China or America for?

When they develop The Bomb in the next year or two, you know who to hang for it.
 
2022-08-13 10:47:14 AM  

cryptozoophiliac: jso2897: Can you imagine how nice it would be to have a government that doesn't exist to serve an obsolete, planet-killing industry?
Americans claim to love their children, and to want to protect them - but I don't see them out executing the people who are doing this.
The petrochemical industry and the politicians it owns are killing your children, and the only planet they can live on.
Yet, they keep breathing.
I don't think you people really care about your children at all.

Assuming murder isn't your cup of tea and you don't have any children, what are you supposed to do besides vote for the right people and show up for the flower-power march?


You point of view seems reasonable, and you're not wrong - but I think it is important that people understand what the problem is - it is that an industry that is one of a few that essentially own our government are getting foreign policy made to attempt the protect and nurture that industry - and that is going to become increasingly costly, in terms of many things - including lives.
Being palsy-walsy with SA and Israel has cost us multiple trillions of dollars and many thousands of American lives. As has our inexplicable bullshiat with Iran and Afghanistan.
What American does this benefit? You? Me?
I'm not seeing the stakeholder value for the taxpayer, here.
 
2022-08-13 10:49:42 AM  

dryknife: "...the U.S. is 'not going anywhere.'"


Thanks Biden


I dunno, was that a joke?
 
2022-08-13 10:51:43 AM  

inner ted: jso2897: Can you imagine how nice it would be to have a government that doesn't exist to serve an obsolete, planet-killing industry?
Americans claim to love their children, and to want to protect them - but I don't see them out executing the people who are doing this.
The petrochemical industry and the politicians it owns are killing your children, and the only planet they can live on.
Yet, they keep breathing.
I don't think you people really care about your children at all.

No, that's too shiatty


Oh, I know, you're right - but OTOH, we've got assorted loons and bugf**ks running around shooting everything up as it is because they're so pissed off about a lot of shiat that isn't even real - couldn't we have spared one little maniac to go after some of these motherf**kers?
 
2022-08-13 11:09:10 AM  

Mugato: dryknife: "...the U.S. is 'not going anywhere.'"


Thanks Biden

I dunno, was that a joke?


I dunno - he (Biden) said it; poor choice of words.
 
2022-08-13 11:38:16 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: Aquapope: Paleorific: Aquapope: We need better electrical storage and transmission abilities so we don't have to give a shiat about Saudi Arabia anymore.  Solar collection is already cost effective, but we can't move that electricity around and pack it into small spaces as well as we need to.

Water towers.

Water towers are capacitors for a water grid.  We need capacitors for an electric grid, but probably not the same way as electric.  Not giant capacitors in each town or neighborhood.  More like several in each house or building.  Solar collected on the roof and the excess stored in capacitors, when the capacitors are full, the excess is sold to the grid.  When the capacitors are dead and the sun is down, electricity is bought back from the grid.  That's the way it ought to work.  The Koch's could have dropped a few billion on research in the 80s and we'd have that electrical system today, and Wichita would be the Mecca of large-scale electrical technology.

Excess electricity can pump water into the tower, then gravity can release it to run small hydro, supposedly. To make a difference it'd need to be a lot of excess in the daytime to make it worth pumping it uphill then enough to release at night.


We are already pumping uphill.

Start with the existing infrastructure.  It's mass produced. Mass produce the taps.
 
2022-08-13 12:05:07 PM  
Well, bye. Fark them both
 
2022-08-13 12:34:55 PM  

Paleorific: Aquapope: Paleorific: Aquapope: We need better electrical storage and transmission abilities so we don't have to give a shiat...

Water towers.

Water towers are capacitors for a water grid.  We need capacitors for an electric grid, but probably not the same way as electric.  Not giant capacitors in each town or neighborhood.  More like several in each house or building.  Solar collected on the roof.

The superstructure is there and everywhere. We only have to tap it.

Portability will come with battery technology, which could jump by leaps and bounds at any time.


Yep, we need the same advances in batteries as we do capacitors and transmission lines.  Hell, some transmission infrastructure is 40 years dilapidated and needs billions of bucks just to get it up to "not adequate".
 
2022-08-13 12:38:59 PM  

Ishkur: Well Trump just gave them nuke secrets, so what do they need China or America for?

When they develop The Bomb in the next year or two, you know who to hang for it.


Every government in the world knows how to build a bomb.  It's 1940's tech.  Getting the materials is the problem.  Then, if you want to be really cool, you can think about efficiency and delivery.  Back in the early days, the idea of implosion to turn a subcritical sample to into a critical mass was kind of a secret, but not for long.
H bombs are complicated, delivery systems are complicated, but I can pretty much guarantee you that every government that has been around for ten years has a bomb design, and a ramp-up project on the books somewhere, for the contingency that they decide they need to do it.

seriously.  You could build a bomb if you had plenty of plutonium, access to google, the cash to outfit an engineering lab, and a nice big desert to test out the basic concept.
 
2022-08-13 12:43:36 PM  

Aquapope: We need better electrical storage and transmission abilities so we don't have to give a shiat about Saudi Arabia anymore.  Solar collection is already cost effective, but we can't move that electricity around and pack it into small spaces as well as we need to.


Grid scale energy storage is hard. Really, the only workable one we have is pumped storage, but it has the fascinating failure mode of "the reservoir on the mountain fails and all the water rolls downhill." (Taum Sauk Power Plant, for one example.)

If we can store a few hundred gigawatt/Hours every day then we're at the point where we can make the switch to solar/wind. You still need a grid because you can have areas that decide not to be windy or sunny for a week and storing 7 full days of power is much harder than storing a night.

Working the consumption side would help, but if your plan involves people not using electricity for heating and cooling it has already failed.

(Oh yeah, the move to electric cars means more demand as well)

I'd love to have an answer here. Lots of people are working hard to find one, but so far they're either far too low on capacity, have far too horrible a failure mode, or both.
 
2022-08-13 1:22:41 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Aquapope: We need better electrical storage and transmission abilities so we don't have to give a shiat about Saudi Arabia anymore.  Solar collection is already cost effective, but we can't move that electricity around and pack it into small spaces as well as we need to.

Grid scale energy storage is hard. Really, the only workable one we have is pumped storage, but it has the fascinating failure mode of "the reservoir on the mountain fails and all the water rolls downhill." (Taum Sauk Power Plant, for one example.)

If we can store a few hundred gigawatt/Hours every day then we're at the point where we can make the switch to solar/wind. You still need a grid because you can have areas that decide not to be windy or sunny for a week and storing 7 full days of power is much harder than storing a night.

Working the consumption side would help, but if your plan involves people not using electricity for heating and cooling it has already failed.

(Oh yeah, the move to electric cars means more demand as well)

I'd love to have an answer here. Lots of people are working hard to find one, but so far they're either far too low on capacity, have far too horrible a failure mode, or both.


Of course "my plan" includes using electricity for heating and cooling.  It hasn't failed because it hasn't been tried.  As you point out, we don't have the answers yet.  That's why I said "we need better..."
 
2022-08-13 3:52:08 PM  
FLYWHEEL FARMS

Make Wyoming earn its 2 Senate votes
 
2022-08-13 7:42:25 PM  
Love how the Saudis are more than happy to cozy up to a country that puts thousands of its Muslims into re-education camps.
 
2022-08-13 7:57:09 PM  

apocryphaandmyth: Every government in the world knows how to build a bomb. It's 1940's tech


Building the bomb, yes.

Building the delivery system, no.
 
2022-08-13 8:41:05 PM  

dryknife: "...the U.S. is 'not going anywhere.'"


Thanks Biden


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LIES!!!
 
2022-08-14 1:40:15 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Unfortunately they still have control of Mecca.


Saudi Arabia is an apartheid state.
 
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