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2022-08-13 8:19:32 AM  
Geez, woman!  Get yourself an Xbox or something.  There are better ways to kill time.
 
2022-08-13 8:20:41 AM  
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2022-08-13 8:21:31 AM  
"The content of these phone calls are vulgar, threatening, or obscene" and "contain extreme expletives, sexual innuendo, and belittling remarks..."

She's just in the wrong line of work. I thought some people paid extra for that.
 
2022-08-13 8:22:56 AM  
Someone needs a dog or two.

Then it will be animal control that comes to her home.
 
2022-08-13 8:25:39 AM  
This is how we deal with mental illness in the United States.
 
2022-08-13 8:29:38 AM  

wesmon: This is how we deal with mental illness in the United States.


Poor, black, and female. Probably went bipolar in her lare teens, and been allowed to walk around crazy & untreated ever since, because nobody GAF.
 
2022-08-13 8:36:30 AM  
Just about every large city in the country has one of these people. Thankfully, most of them aren't this persistent. But it causes immense levels of burnout, stress, and resentment by the staff. And that not only leads to worse performance, but also directly contributes to a lot of the behavior that causes long term harm to public trust.

The very worst part though is that while generally not as extreme, there's a disturbing acceptance of it at the social level. there's a small but active community of people who effectively see public service employees instead as personal servants - or even slaves to be ordered around. And it makes dealing with these abuses of power even harder, because that community sees it as an infringement on their personal power trips.
 
2022-08-13 8:40:04 AM  
Before reading, I thought this was going to be about her calling the police on her neighbors for every issue she determines is illegal. Something like "the kids are skateboarding", or "the neighbor's porch light shines in my yard"

Then I read it and find out she just calls the police to call them names.

Childish, yes. But much less irritating than the former.
 
Xai
2022-08-13 8:41:35 AM  
that's on average 33 times a day, every day for an entire year. Assuming a 5 minute call, that's nearly 3 hours per day every day.
 
2022-08-13 8:47:34 AM  

danvon: Before reading, I thought this was going to be about her calling the police on her neighbors for every issue she determines is illegal. Something like "the kids are skateboarding", or "the neighbor's porch light shines in my yard"

Then I read it and find out she just calls the police to call them names.

Childish, yes. But much less irritating than the former.


Oh no, it's much worse.

When these people call police on their neighbors, it may surprise you to realize that the responding agencies are often the mitigating force that prevents harm. Sometimes a citation will be issued but more often than not nothing happens, or the responders even take time to connect with the community in helpful ways.

When they do this to vent at the responders themselves, it's all directed at people who for legal and social reasons cannot effectively respond to stop it. Yeah this woman was arrested for the behavior twice - after 11,000 incidents where she harassed and abused and distracted and threatened emergency response staff. Any private business or citizen would have taken action long before it could get to that point. But the expectation of modern society is that public service employees are not permitted to refuse any calls for assistance.
 
2022-08-13 8:48:23 AM  

jso2897: wesmon: This is how we deal with mental illness in the United States.

Poor, black, and female. Probably went bipolar in her lare teens, and been allowed to walk around crazy & untreated ever since, because nobody GAF.


I'm all for people with mental issues having access to the treatment they need but "allowed to walk around crazy"? Are you saying we should force treatment onto people? That's a pretty slippery slope that is ripe for abuse. Couldn't we just build a wall around Florida?
 
2022-08-13 8:54:35 AM  
"Investigators say that Jefferson's 11,000+ calls account for "approx. 10% of the total call volume to the St. Petersburg Police Department non-emergency number."

Officials say due to a decrease in calls there will be a reduction in staff.
 
2022-08-13 9:03:44 AM  

Mr. Tweedy: jso2897: wesmon: This is how we deal with mental illness in the United States.

Poor, black, and female. Probably went bipolar in her lare teens, and been allowed to walk around crazy & untreated ever since, because nobody GAF.

I'm all for people with mental issues having access to the treatment they need but "allowed to walk around crazy"? Are you saying we should force treatment onto people? That's a pretty slippery slope that is ripe for abuse. Couldn't we just build a wall around Florida?


On some level, for some people, yes.  For example, I live in an area with a pretty healthy homeless population many of whom have outward behavioral problems that almost certainly have a mental health component to them.  Someone like the guy I saw the other day who was fighting a stop sign -- like doing running drop kicks, punching the pole, and trying to tackle it, while occasionally turning to bark at cars driving through the intersection or me, a pedestrian -- needs more than "access" to mental health treatment.  He is probably not going to start that process of his own volition.  And he's just one.  We have a whole, growing, population of people living on the street in this area with similar behaviors.
 
2022-08-13 9:15:38 AM  
She dialed it with her meth pipe?
 
2022-08-13 9:17:54 AM  

Mr. Tweedy: Are you saying we should force treatment onto people?


Absolutely, in certain circumstances, and it is lawful and morally right, under certain circumstances.
You can't run a society of rigid, inflexible abstract concepts.
Neither you, nor I, nor anyone enjoys nor is entitled to perfect and complete liberty.
"Freedom", as conceived by the average American is a drooling idiot's philosophical garbage can.
F**k "liberty", and all the asshole lolbertarian conceptualizations of it.
We force things onto people ALL THE GODDAMN TIME.
We are too cheap and too selfish to help the mentally ill - pretending we care about their "liberty" is a callous cherry on top of a shiat sundae.
 
2022-08-13 9:18:46 AM  

New Rising Sun: Mr. Tweedy: jso2897: wesmon: This is how we deal with mental illness in the United States.

Poor, black, and female. Probably went bipolar in her lare teens, and been allowed to walk around crazy & untreated ever since, because nobody GAF.

I'm all for people with mental issues having access to the treatment they need but "allowed to walk around crazy"? Are you saying we should force treatment onto people? That's a pretty slippery slope that is ripe for abuse. Couldn't we just build a wall around Florida?

On some level, for some people, yes.  For example, I live in an area with a pretty healthy homeless population many of whom have outward behavioral problems that almost certainly have a mental health component to them.  Someone like the guy I saw the other day who was fighting a stop sign -- like doing running drop kicks, punching the pole, and trying to tackle it, while occasionally turning to bark at cars driving through the intersection or me, a pedestrian -- needs more than "access" to mental health treatment.  He is probably not going to start that process of his own volition.  And he's just one.  We have a whole, growing, population of people living on the street in this area with similar behaviors.


The (horror-ful) history of mental health treatment absolutely validates fears of both neglect and coercion, sometimes separately, sometimes together.
 
2022-08-13 9:20:29 AM  
If she did this in "exactly the way you would expect from a Florida woman," then I would have expected her to make the calls while on fire in line at Wendy's and swinging a black-tipped shark in circles over her head while chanting the Necronomicon, leaving her newborn twins outside in the car with the windows rolled up, and winning her election for county sheriff.

This lady is just lame.
 
2022-08-13 9:28:37 AM  

New Rising Sun: Mr. Tweedy: jso2897: wesmon: This is how we deal with mental illness in the United States.

Poor, black, and female. Probably went bipolar in her lare teens, and been allowed to walk around crazy & untreated ever since, because nobody GAF.

I'm all for people with mental issues having access to the treatment they need but "allowed to walk around crazy"? Are you saying we should force treatment onto people? That's a pretty slippery slope that is ripe for abuse. Couldn't we just build a wall around Florida?

On some level, for some people, yes.  For example, I live in an area with a pretty healthy homeless population many of whom have outward behavioral problems that almost certainly have a mental health component to them.  Someone like the guy I saw the other day who was fighting a stop sign -- like doing running drop kicks, punching the pole, and trying to tackle it, while occasionally turning to bark at cars driving through the intersection or me, a pedestrian -- needs more than "access" to mental health treatment.  He is probably not going to start that process of his own volition.  And he's just one.  We have a whole, growing, population of people living on the street in this area with similar behaviors.


I agree a lot of people with mental health issues need to be forced to get treatment but you really have to prove that person is a danger to himself or others, not just street signs, so the crazy homeless people that everyone sees making a spectacle of themselves wouldn't make the cut. There's a lady on our street who likes to walk around yelling at cars and flipping them off. You could probably never ever get someone like that committed. Heck - I'm not doubting she has a Fark account since she's pretty much just doing in public what everyone here does to their computers.

No - I don't have an answer to all this. If I would I'd commit the 75m people who voted for TFG. The lady flipping off cars is cool with me.
 
2022-08-13 9:35:04 AM  
The way Florida has been going, I expected her to be a Karen calling that her neighbors had too much melanin in their skin.
 
2022-08-13 9:40:04 AM  
Butt dialing?

/DRTFA
 
2022-08-13 9:44:34 AM  

jso2897: Mr. Tweedy: Are you saying we should force treatment onto people?

Absolutely, in certain circumstances, and it is lawful and morally right, under certain circumstances.
You can't run a society of rigid, inflexible abstract concepts.
Neither you, nor I, nor anyone enjoys nor is entitled to perfect and complete liberty.
"Freedom", as conceived by the average American is a drooling idiot's philosophical garbage can.
F**k "liberty", and all the asshole lolbertarian conceptualizations of it.
We force things onto people ALL THE GODDAMN TIME.
We are too cheap and too selfish to help the mentally ill - pretending we care about their "liberty" is a callous cherry on top of a shiat sundae.


If the homeless guy yelling at the street signs is worthy of having his rights taken away and be forcibly put in a psychiatric hospital then you're setting a really low bar that most of us hop over daily. All CAPS in a Fark thread - off you go!

A larger problem is people don't want to see homeless people wandering around and would rather they just go away. As much as mental issues are a problem in the world of the homeless, they're just as large a problem in society as a whole but if you pay your bills and mow your lawn it gets overlooked.

So where is the line in the sand you propose for forcing treatment?
 
2022-08-13 9:54:10 AM  

Mr. Tweedy: I'm all for people with mental issues having access to the treatment they need but "allowed to walk around crazy"? Are you saying we should force treatment onto people? That's a pretty slippery slope that is ripe for abuse.


The alternative leaving them loose in society, frequently on the streets or in the woods. That's unacceptable.
 
2022-08-13 9:57:36 AM  
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2022-08-13 10:05:53 AM  

Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: Mr. Tweedy: I'm all for people with mental issues having access to the treatment they need but "allowed to walk around crazy"? Are you saying we should force treatment onto people? That's a pretty slippery slope that is ripe for abuse.

The alternative leaving them loose in society, frequently on the streets or in the woods. That's unacceptable.


I just want to know where you draw the line. Is homeless and yelling at street signs the bar? What do you do if the person is able to function in society slightly better and has a house and some kind of job so he does his crazy out of sight more or less? Is the person who is homeless and yelling at street signs the one who needs to be committed or the dude who likes to set homeless people on fire and then goes back to work as an accountant? Being homeless doesn't mean you aren't human and frankly your neighbor is probably crazier than the street sign dude. Should we force everyone to take a psych eval once a year? But wait - who sets the standards? Are all liberals suddenly needing medication? This is the problem with forcing treatment.
 
2022-08-13 10:08:32 AM  
Hire another bipolar woman, and when the first calls, connect her with the 2nd.  They can crazy-argue all day long and no one else will be disturbed.
 
2022-08-13 10:11:24 AM  

Mr. Tweedy: jso2897: wesmon: This is how we deal with mental illness in the United States.

Poor, black, and female. Probably went bipolar in her lare teens, and been allowed to walk around crazy & untreated ever since, because nobody GAF.

I'm all for people with mental issues having access to the treatment they need but "allowed to walk around crazy"? Are you saying we should force treatment onto people? That's a pretty slippery slope that is ripe for abuse. Couldn't we just build a wall around Florida?


BS my friend, BS. I grew up in a house where mental illness untreated and undiagnosed but very apparent (looking back as an mentally ill adult) and it was sheer hell. Quirky behavior is one thing; obvious disturbing behavior is another. Damn right we in America should be able to sign in people for observation. There is a huge portion of the population that would have much better lives from psychiatric help. And there are a lot of people that have no business whatsoever having or raising children. America is suffering terribly because the powerful wealthy fat old white men who pull the strings don't give a god damn that damaged people walk about on the streets doing whatever they see fit. Please do pull your head out your arse and read a book.
 
2022-08-13 10:14:25 AM  

Mr. Tweedy: So where is the line in the sand you propose for forcing treatment?


Danger to oneself or others is the normal and customary standard - but it's silly to pretend that it matters when our stingy, selfish society doesn't provide care or treatment for most.
Nobody can be forced into treatment that isn't there.
 
2022-08-13 10:16:09 AM  

Mr. Tweedy: Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: Mr. Tweedy: I'm all for people with mental issues having access to the treatment they need but "allowed to walk around crazy"? Are you saying we should force treatment onto people? That's a pretty slippery slope that is ripe for abuse.

The alternative leaving them loose in society, frequently on the streets or in the woods. That's unacceptable.

I just want to know where you draw the line. Is homeless and yelling at street signs the bar? What do you do if the person is able to function in society slightly better and has a house and some kind of job so he does his crazy out of sight more or less? Is the person who is homeless and yelling at street signs the one who needs to be committed or the dude who likes to set homeless people on fire and then goes back to work as an accountant? Being homeless doesn't mean you aren't human and frankly your neighbor is probably crazier than the street sign dude. Should we force everyone to take a psych eval once a year? But wait - who sets the standards? Are all liberals suddenly needing medication? This is the problem with forcing treatment.


It's a catch 22.  We should be treating people as soon as we can, earlier treatment has better results and can prevent them from getting to yelling at stop signs levels of crazy. Or we just let them get so far into psychosis that they can't be treated and will just stay bat shiat crazy.
So, on one hand if we want to really help them we need to find and treat the illness early, possibly without consent.  Or we just let them get so far gone that all we can do is remove them from the street for being a danger to society.
 
2022-08-13 10:17:46 AM  

wesmon: This is how we deal with mental illness in the United States.


Indeed. I hope she gets the mental health treatment she needs.
 
2022-08-13 10:20:13 AM  

Somacandra: wesmon: This is how we deal with mental illness in the United States.

Indeed. I hope she gets the mental health treatment she needs.


Hope and prayers do run most of the USA's medical system.  So you are doing your part.
 
2022-08-13 10:27:21 AM  
Gotta solve everything:

911 Operator:  No, ma'am.  The new emergency number is 0118 999 881 99 9119 725 3.  We're the delivery number for Little Ceasars.

She'll never call again.
 
2022-08-13 10:28:34 AM  
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2022-08-13 10:29:23 AM  

New Rising Sun: Mr. Tweedy: jso2897: wesmon: This is how we deal with mental illness in the United States.

Poor, black, and female. Probably went bipolar in her lare teens, and been allowed to walk around crazy & untreated ever since, because nobody GAF.

I'm all for people with mental issues having access to the treatment they need but "allowed to walk around crazy"? Are you saying we should force treatment onto people? That's a pretty slippery slope that is ripe for abuse. Couldn't we just build a wall around Florida?

On some level, for some people, yes.  For example, I live in an area with a pretty healthy homeless population many of whom have outward behavioral problems that almost certainly have a mental health component to them.  Someone like the guy I saw the other day who was fighting a stop sign -- like doing running drop kicks, punching the pole, and trying to tackle it, while occasionally turning to bark at cars driving through the intersection or me, a pedestrian -- needs more than "access" to mental health treatment.  He is probably not going to start that process of his own volition.  And he's just one.  We have a whole, growing, population of people living on the street in this area with similar behaviors.


Many of these people are drug addicts, so they want nothing to do with many programs or dry shelters that involve trying to get them off the drugs.
 
2022-08-13 10:30:54 AM  

Mr. Tweedy: jso2897: Mr. Tweedy: Are you saying we should force treatment onto people?

Absolutely, in certain circumstances, and it is lawful and morally right, under certain circumstances.
You can't run a society of rigid, inflexible abstract concepts.
Neither you, nor I, nor anyone enjoys nor is entitled to perfect and complete liberty.
"Freedom", as conceived by the average American is a drooling idiot's philosophical garbage can.
F**k "liberty", and all the asshole lolbertarian conceptualizations of it.
We force things onto people ALL THE GODDAMN TIME.
We are too cheap and too selfish to help the mentally ill - pretending we care about their "liberty" is a callous cherry on top of a shiat sundae.

If the homeless guy yelling at the street signs is worthy of having his rights taken away and be forcibly put in a psychiatric hospital then you're setting a really low bar that most of us hop over daily. All CAPS in a Fark thread - off you go!

A larger problem is people don't want to see homeless people wandering around and would rather they just go away. As much as mental issues are a problem in the world of the homeless, they're just as large a problem in society as a whole but if you pay your bills and mow your lawn it gets overlooked.

So where is the line in the sand you propose for forcing treatment?


I had a counseling prof. who would say "We're all crazy. You, me, the person sitting next to you, everyone. The difference is that with some of us our particular brand of crazy gets us into trouble with the others."
 
2022-08-13 10:35:00 AM  

HighlanderRPI: "The content of these phone calls are vulgar, threatening, or obscene" and "contain extreme expletives, sexual innuendo, and belittling remarks..."

She's just in the wrong line of work. I thought some people paid extra for that.


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2022-08-13 10:39:07 AM  
She has 9-1-1 on speed dial ?
 
2022-08-13 10:39:53 AM  
jimjays:

I had a counseling prof. who would say "We're all crazy. You, me, the person sitting next to you, everyone. The difference is that with some of us our particular brand of crazy gets us into trouble with the others."

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2022-08-13 10:52:00 AM  
No ma'am.  This is nine one one.  You want nine eleven.  Well, you'll have to get a phone with an 11 on it.
 
2022-08-13 10:57:05 AM  

indy_kid: Hire another bipolar woman, and when the first calls, connect her with the 2nd.  They can crazy-argue all day long and no one else will be disturbed.


Once read a funny article from a woman that would have telemarketers talk to her four-yr.-old, who of course loved to talk--and didn't really know anything to tell the telemarketers and lead to trouble.

With that premise in mind, whenever I have time to kill and get a call from a stranger using a spoofed number that asks: "How are you today, Mr. Jays?" I tell them. In great detail, including all the minutia. And it can be great free therapy to get things off your chest. What's more, the crazier you get, the more encouraged they are to listen because they think you might just be crazy enough to buy something from a stranger on the phone.

(But don't be too fun. Sometimes they'll pass your number around the office and have their friends call.)
 
2022-08-13 10:58:12 AM  
Wait...how is she still alive? Don't cops murder minorities "just because" their skin is a different color?
 
2022-08-13 11:12:03 AM  

Mr. Tweedy: Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: Mr. Tweedy: I'm all for people with mental issues having access to the treatment they need but "allowed to walk around crazy"? Are you saying we should force treatment onto people? That's a pretty slippery slope that is ripe for abuse.

The alternative leaving them loose in society, frequently on the streets or in the woods. That's unacceptable.

I just want to know where you draw the line. Is homeless and yelling at street signs the bar? What do you do if the person is able to function in society slightly better and has a house and some kind of job so he does his crazy out of sight more or less? Is the person who is homeless and yelling at street signs the one who needs to be committed or the dude who likes to set homeless people on fire and then goes back to work as an accountant? Being homeless doesn't mean you aren't human and frankly your neighbor is probably crazier than the street sign dude. Should we force everyone to take a psych eval once a year? But wait - who sets the standards? Are all liberals suddenly needing medication? This is the problem with forcing treatment.


The line is the day you arrive.  You live in a society.  It should take care of you.

The problem with your line of argument about this problem is you think the goal is non-interaction, a no engagement necessary structure.  That it's a "set it and forget it" world.  Societies don't work that way, and the faster we all abandon the "I got mine, fark you" attitude towards having a functioning society we'd all be better off.

As for the issue you are worrying about the answer is "more engagement".  Yes, part of your annual physical should be a psych eval questionaire.  It, along with your physical, should be free (ie. covered in some way from the taxes on productivity in our society).  Yes, when you've missed 2 in a row there should be a wellness check.  And the question of standards is the same with every technical field - ultimately the government backed by scientific evidence.  While there still are a huge number of people who think that if you need mental health care you are "irredeemable", fortunately most people have started to get past that.  At least in the my own insurance mental health care costs have been "mainlined" into the medical coverage (used to be a separate program, not just part of the same policy).  That should be the norm.

As others have pointed out - you don't engage when they're tilting at stop signs and screaming at passing cars... society should have engaged and helped them long before.

Were there abuses in the institutional system of yesteryear?  Hell yes.  And those abuses may not have been avoidable.  You don't go from complete ignorance to understanding w/o mistakes, including the opportunity to make really horrible ones.  An example from my own industry - until utility pole standards were put in place, with a regulatory structure to enforce it, you had dead linemen on telephone poles when they worked on a line that was crossed with power.  We didn't shut down the communication platform, we fixed the processes and standards.  When the mental health institutions were shut, no structure was put in place to "catch" the fallout.  It's been nearly 60 years and we have just started to pick back up the pieces of "shut in all down".

Here's a quote from the AMA Journal of Ethics:

How Did We Get Here?
Deinstitutionalization as a policy for state hospitals began in the period of the civil rights movement when many groups were being incorporated into mainstream society. Three forces drove the movement of people with severe mental illness from hospitals into the community: the belief that mental hospitals were cruel and inhumane; the hope that new antipsychotic medications offered a cure; and the desire to save money. It has not worked out as well as expected on any of the three fronts. People with severe mental illness can still be found in deplorable environments, medications have not successfully improved function in all patients even when they improve symptoms, and the institutional closings have deluged underfunded community services with new populations they were ill-equipped to handle.

And no, I don't have the magic "all you got to do" zero cost instant solution to get from the farked up mess we have now to where we should be.  It's going to take 1000 incremental steps, with at least 3 generations of people fading into oblivion before it's gotten right.  But doing nothing is not the answer.
 
2022-08-13 11:24:31 AM  
I wonder if anyone ever prank-ordered 88 pizzas to be delivered to a police department, payment on delivery...
 
2022-08-13 11:34:37 AM  

jso2897: Mr. Tweedy: Are you saying we should force treatment onto people?

Absolutely, in certain circumstances, and it is lawful and morally right, under certain circumstances.
You can't run a society of rigid, inflexible abstract concepts.
Neither you, nor I, nor anyone enjoys nor is entitled to perfect and complete liberty.
"Freedom", as conceived by the average American is a drooling idiot's philosophical garbage can.
F**k "liberty", and all the asshole lolbertarian conceptualizations of it.
We force things onto people ALL THE GODDAMN TIME.
We are too cheap and too selfish to help the mentally ill - pretending we care about their "liberty" is a callous cherry on top of a shiat sundae.


Wow, talk about a slippery slope.
 
2022-08-13 11:36:43 AM  

Mr. Tweedy: I'm all for people with mental issues having access to the treatment they need but "allowed to walk around crazy"? Are you saying we should force treatment onto people?


Yes.  And the standard should be, "are they committing crimes (or incessant civil offenses)?"

Rather than giving them extraordinary tolerance and leave to continue harassing people before finally throwing them in jail, they should be stopped much earlier and diverted into mental health treatment.

Because the goal is to keep the peace and help everyone get along.  That includes the offender so long as society can afford it.
 
2022-08-13 11:43:43 AM  
Do Florida women not use telephones like we normal people would?
 
2022-08-13 11:51:27 AM  

zeaper12: jso2897: Mr. Tweedy: Are you saying we should force treatment onto people?

Absolutely, in certain circumstances, and it is lawful and morally right, under certain circumstances.
You can't run a society of rigid, inflexible abstract concepts.
Neither you, nor I, nor anyone enjoys nor is entitled to perfect and complete liberty.
"Freedom", as conceived by the average American is a drooling idiot's philosophical garbage can.
F**k "liberty", and all the asshole lolbertarian conceptualizations of it.
We force things onto people ALL THE GODDAMN TIME.
We are too cheap and too selfish to help the mentally ill - pretending we care about their "liberty" is a callous cherry on top of a shiat sundae.

Wow, talk about a slippery slope.


So let's keep everything as it is, I guess that is a solution...
My kids lost their mom to mental illness, partly because I thought like many of you and respected her 'rights' not to be treated.  I often wonder if I was more heavy handed if they would still have their mom.
 
2022-08-13 11:52:24 AM  
...she called collect?
 
2022-08-13 11:53:43 AM  

jimjays: Mr. Tweedy: jso2897: Mr. Tweedy: Are you saying we should force treatment onto people?

Absolutely, in certain circumstances, and it is lawful and morally right, under certain circumstances.
You can't run a society of rigid, inflexible abstract concepts.
Neither you, nor I, nor anyone enjoys nor is entitled to perfect and complete liberty.
"Freedom", as conceived by the average American is a drooling idiot's philosophical garbage can.
F**k "liberty", and all the asshole lolbertarian conceptualizations of it.
We force things onto people ALL THE GODDAMN TIME.
We are too cheap and too selfish to help the mentally ill - pretending we care about their "liberty" is a callous cherry on top of a shiat sundae.

If the homeless guy yelling at the street signs is worthy of having his rights taken away and be forcibly put in a psychiatric hospital then you're setting a really low bar that most of us hop over daily. All CAPS in a Fark thread - off you go!

A larger problem is people don't want to see homeless people wandering around and would rather they just go away. As much as mental issues are a problem in the world of the homeless, they're just as large a problem in society as a whole but if you pay your bills and mow your lawn it gets overlooked.

So where is the line in the sand you propose for forcing treatment?

I had a counseling prof. who would say "We're all crazy. You, me, the person sitting next to you, everyone. The difference is that with some of us our particular brand of crazy gets us into trouble with the others."


I propose free mental health treatment. Require private insurance to cover mental health. Make it a part of medicaid and emergency room requirements, similar to people who attempt suicide.

Many of these people would voluntarily self-treat if it were readily available to them. And, as with any illness, society would save a lot of money treating it in advance, before it becomes acute.
 
2022-08-13 12:17:56 PM  

Mad Scientist: Geez, woman!  Get yourself an Xbox or something.  There are better ways to kill time.


There's always masturbating. That fills a large chunk of my day.
 
2022-08-13 12:26:17 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Mr. Tweedy: I'm all for people with mental issues having access to the treatment they need but "allowed to walk around crazy"? Are you saying we should force treatment onto people?

Yes.  And the standard should be, "are they committing crimes (or incessant civil offenses)?"

Rather than giving them extraordinary tolerance and leave to continue harassing people before finally throwing them in jail, they should be stopped much earlier and diverted into mental health treatment.

Because the goal is to keep the peace and help everyone get along.  That includes the offender so long as society can afford it.


Well I gave this some thought and seeing as the current standard is "are they harm to themselves or others?"  and they can barely even see that that's treated ("stabilize, maybe.. treat? Get outta here!") I don't know how we could actually improve the system without major funding that people are really not wanting to fit the bill for. That is until it becomes a nimby problem, then they're all for it.
 
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