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2022-08-12 9:44:57 PM  
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2022-08-12 9:54:50 PM  
You mean the power of a greenscreen and a buttload of slave labor.
 
2022-08-12 10:01:36 PM  
There's a huge amount of green screen work in everyday shows, it's not just sci fi.

This is from 2009.

Stargate Studios Virtual Backlot Reel 2009
Youtube clnozSXyF4k


/And green screen is now often replaced by huge LED screens. The background is shown on those screens. The lighting is better and the actors can see and react to what they're showing.
 
2022-08-12 10:21:35 PM  
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2022-08-13 2:31:52 AM  
Does anyone else watch this and think it's sad?

She's acting against nothing. I don't know how she does it.
 
2022-08-13 3:13:14 AM  
Where are you at the moment, Colin?
 
2022-08-13 3:35:50 AM  
Best use of green screens.

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433 [TotalFark]
2022-08-13 3:39:55 AM  
Well these new star wars movies are just getting worse.  Words that are useful to describe them include shiat, ass, fark, and meekrab.
 
2022-08-13 3:42:35 AM  
Time Trumpet - Eastenders
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2022-08-13 3:49:33 AM  

433: Well these new star wars movies are just getting worse.  Words that are useful to describe them include shiat, ass, fark, and meekrab.


The new Star Wars movies are not in the scenes, they are in the gaps between the scenes
 
2022-08-13 4:21:32 AM  
Every time this is posted I always call out this is Ian Hubert. I'm part of the same filmmaking team, good guy, phenomenal talent.
 
2022-08-13 4:33:52 AM  
What is theirs from?
 
2022-08-13 4:53:31 AM  

Lsherm: Does anyone else watch this and think it's sad?

She's acting against nothing. I don't know how she does it.



The *Lord of the Rings* trilogy was done with camera tricks and everybody on camera.  For the *Hobbit* trilogy, they switched to Green Screens.  Ian McKellen in particular had a miserable time doing this.

In one interview, he said of the experience "Pretending you're with 13 other people when you're on your own, it stretches your technical ability to the absolute limits

"I cried, actually. I cried. Then I said out loud, 'This is not why I became an actor'. Unfortunately the microphone was on and the whole studio heard."
 
2022-08-13 5:26:28 AM  

Lsherm: Does anyone else watch this and think it's sad?

She's acting against nothing. I don't know how she does it.


for lots of money is my guess. I would talk to a wall for a million bucks.
 
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2022-08-13 5:32:58 AM  

LewDux: 433: Well these new star wars movies are just getting worse.  Words that are useful to describe them include shiat, ass, fark, and meekrab.

The new Star Wars movies are not in the scenes, they are in the gaps between the scenes


If you're putting down what I'm picking up, it's a shame what money does to quality.
 
2022-08-13 6:04:01 AM  
By the way, this is from a practically one man production done in Blender that took about a decade.

Here's the whole thing:
Episode 1 : Salad Mug - DYNAMO DREAM
Youtube LsGZ_2RuJ2A
 
2022-08-13 6:49:34 AM  

LrdPhoenix: By the way, this is from a practically one man production done in Blender that took about a decade.

Here's the whole thing:
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That was superb. And I really liked the ambiguous "reveal" (or was it) ending. Can't wait to see the next episode.
 
2022-08-13 7:02:12 AM  
Sometimes you don't even realise how much greeen screen and cgi is used in a film..

CGI VFX Breakdown HD "Mad Max Fury Road " by Brave New World | CGMeetup
Youtube OAGn3NCKE0g
 
2022-08-13 7:15:40 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: There's a huge amount of green screen work in everyday shows, it's not just sci fi.

This is from 2009.

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/And green screen is now often replaced by huge LED screens. The background is shown on those screens. The lighting is better and the actors can see and react to what they're showing.


Fantastic.
 
2022-08-13 7:31:39 AM  
Making of ORPHAN BLACK's 4 Clone Dance Party - BBC AMERICA
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2022-08-13 7:41:06 AM  
How does it account for the area outside the green screen?
I don't know FX, but there are things going on outside the green areas.
 
2022-08-13 8:33:18 AM  

buntz: How does it account for the area outside the green screen?
I don't know FX, but there are things going on outside the green areas.


You just have to try to cover the outline of the foreground objects -- usually people and the things they directly interact with.  Otherwise, you have to rotoscope (i.e., cut out) the people from the frame.  A little bit of rotoscoping (aka "roto") is relatively inexpensive, but can be time consuming.  And it's usually not as good as just having the characters play against green screen, as the edges in roto can be messy and inconsistent.

Having the people on different layers also gives more flexibility and creative control.  Think of it like Photoshop, but with moving images.
 
2022-08-13 8:39:15 AM  

discotaco: buntz: How does it account for the area outside the green screen?
I don't know FX, but there are things going on outside the green areas.

You just have to try to cover the outline of the foreground objects -- usually people and the things they directly interact with.  Otherwise, you have to rotoscope (i.e., cut out) the people from the frame.  A little bit of rotoscoping (aka "roto") is relatively inexpensive, but can be time consuming.  And it's usually not as good as just having the characters play against green screen, as the edges in roto can be messy and inconsistent.

Having the people on different layers also gives more flexibility and creative control.  Think of it like Photoshop, but with moving images.


That's interesting, I still don't really understand it, my simple mind assumes that the background image is being projected onto the green, but anything outside of the green would not be covered and therefore you would have to zoom in so that the green covered the whole screen
 
2022-08-13 8:54:11 AM  
Cool.  But the Blocking needed is extraordinary.  They had to know to the inch where she'd be the whole time.
 
2022-08-13 9:02:15 AM  

buntz: How does it account for the area outside the green screen?
I don't know FX, but there are things going on outside the green areas.


Green screen provides easily delineated bounds for rotoing out what's in front of it, you don't have to care about anything that's outside of it, unless the subject you want to cut out goes out of the bounds.
 
2022-08-13 9:12:42 AM  
That was a million dollars of nothing. I am not a fan.
 
2022-08-13 9:14:44 AM  
More like what can be done with motion tracking, and then the modeling, compositing, etc. The green screen is a minor part of this effects shot.
 
2022-08-13 9:15:34 AM  
Am I the only one who wondered about the logic of having a lift (elevator) where every single level you walked out of the lift and then had three steps to go up? Why didn't they have the lift stop at the higher level and do away with the steps?
 
2022-08-13 9:17:59 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: There's a huge amount of green screen work in everyday shows, it's not just sci fi.

This is from 2009.

[YouTube video: Stargate Studios Virtual Backlot Reel 2009]

/And green screen is now often replaced by huge LED screens. The background is shown on those screens. The lighting is better and the actors can see and react to what they're showing.


I wouldn't say often. LED as far as VFX go is still a pretty recent development. Keying is still the predominant method.
 
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2022-08-13 9:18:56 AM  

buntz: discotaco: buntz: How does it account for the area outside the green screen?
I don't know FX, but there are things going on outside the green areas.

You just have to try to cover the outline of the foreground objects -- usually people and the things they directly interact with.  Otherwise, you have to rotoscope (i.e., cut out) the people from the frame.  A little bit of rotoscoping (aka "roto") is relatively inexpensive, but can be time consuming.  And it's usually not as good as just having the characters play against green screen, as the edges in roto can be messy and inconsistent.

Having the people on different layers also gives more flexibility and creative control.  Think of it like Photoshop, but with moving images.

That's interesting, I still don't really understand it, my simple mind assumes that the background image is being projected onto the green, but anything outside of the green would not be covered and therefore you would have to zoom in so that the green covered the whole screen


That's how old real-time chroma-key systems worked (think weather broadcasts and whatnot). When you're doing this kind of effects work, the areas outside the green are easy to mask out, since you can just draw a nice sloppy bounding box around the stuff you want to keep (i.e. only the actor and the green areas), and then the software handles taking out the green background to give you a really precise cut-out of the actor. I did something like this over 20 years ago for a goofy school project, so I can only imagine it's WAAAAY fancier now.
 
2022-08-13 9:41:01 AM  

Lsherm: Does anyone else watch this and think it's sad?

She's acting against nothing. I don't know how she does it.


My thoughts exactly.
 
2022-08-13 9:55:30 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Am I the only one who wondered about the logic of having a lift (elevator) where every single level you walked out of the lift and then had three steps to go up? Why didn't they have the lift stop at the higher level and do away with the steps?


Dalek protection?

Stairs in scenes used to be very common even if the sets cost more to build.  Lots of 50 and 60s sitcoms all had useless stairs and sunken living rooms in places where they shouldn't be.  The 1960s show Wild Wild West had stairs all over ever for the fight scenes. Things like Star Trek had useless steps to help keep the shots they way they wanted them which was likely due have been due to the wild abuse of technicolor, newer color film and the needed lighting.
 
2022-08-13 9:59:54 AM  
thanks to J Frankeheimer we at least have real car chases in Ronin.
 
2022-08-13 10:25:46 AM  
Impressive, but at the same time depressing.
 
2022-08-13 10:51:28 AM  
yeah the green screen is probably one of the leading factors in why every actor seems to be "acting" relative to the same exact environment, rather than the one their character would be in.

Two characters walking a short ways and talking to each other, in some location.
And yet the scene of that feels exactly the same in so so many movies.
Because every single one of them could be FX dropped into the scene of Obi wan, Yoda, and Windu, walking and talking and it would feel like the same emotional tone scene, even though they are talking about chit from some whole other movie.


The number of actors who can not be in the room of green screens is probably like 1/100000+ or more, the rest of them need something to work with besides just their own imagination, as if just any old actor could have interacted with Roger Rabbit just was well as any other.
 
2022-08-13 11:41:32 AM  
Why not just animate every movie and the actors now? It all looks so fake.
 
2022-08-13 11:44:05 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Am I the only one who wondered about the logic of having a lift (elevator) where every single level you walked out of the lift and then had three steps to go up? Why didn't they have the lift stop at the higher level and do away with the steps?


I assume the purpose of the steps is to distract you from how the actor is on the same plane the whole time. The more motions they have in all directions, the less it looks like they're in a box never moving more than a foot or two.
 
2022-08-13 11:47:01 AM  

DON.MAC: Carter Pewterschmidt: Am I the only one who wondered about the logic of having a lift (elevator) where every single level you walked out of the lift and then had three steps to go up? Why didn't they have the lift stop at the higher level and do away with the steps?

Dalek protection?

Stairs in scenes used to be very common even if the sets cost more to build.  Lots of 50 and 60s sitcoms all had useless stairs and sunken living rooms in places where they shouldn't be.  The 1960s show Wild Wild West had stairs all over ever for the fight scenes. Things like Star Trek had useless steps to help keep the shots they way they wanted them which was likely due have been due to the wild abuse of technicolor, newer color film and the needed lighting.


I don't understand what you're saying.

Staircases we're in the background of sets because the set designers wanted to create the illusion that the action was taking place in a multi-level structure, not a sound stage. And characters needed a way to exit a scene to their bedroom/enter from their bedroom.
 
2022-08-13 12:00:13 PM  

thornhill: DON.MAC: Carter Pewterschmidt: Am I the only one who wondered about the logic of having a lift (elevator) where every single level you walked out of the lift and then had three steps to go up? Why didn't they have the lift stop at the higher level and do away with the steps?

Dalek protection?

Stairs in scenes used to be very common even if the sets cost more to build.  Lots of 50 and 60s sitcoms all had useless stairs and sunken living rooms in places where they shouldn't be.  The 1960s show Wild Wild West had stairs all over ever for the fight scenes. Things like Star Trek had useless steps to help keep the shots they way they wanted them which was likely due have been due to the wild abuse of technicolor, newer color film and the needed lighting.

I don't understand what you're saying.

Staircases we're in the background of sets because the set designers wanted to create the illusion that the action was taking place in a multi-level structure, not a sound stage. And characters needed a way to exit a scene to their bedroom/enter from their bedroom.


But why can't they show that action is taking in multi-level structure through pure acting? I bet John Booth could
 
2022-08-13 12:21:49 PM  

chucknasty: Lsherm: Does anyone else watch this and think it's sad?

She's acting against nothing. I don't know how she does it.

for lots of money is my guess. I would talk to a wall for a million bucks.


Hell, I'll do it for $50.
 
2022-08-13 12:46:10 PM  
Is that Mama from Death Stranding?
 
2022-08-13 12:55:40 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Carter Pewterschmidt: There's a huge amount of green screen work in everyday shows, it's not just sci fi.

This is from 2009.

[YouTube video: Stargate Studios Virtual Backlot Reel 2009]

/And green screen is now often replaced by huge LED screens. The background is shown on those screens. The lighting is better and the actors can see and react to what they're showing.

I wouldn't say often. LED as far as VFX go is still a pretty recent development. Keying is still the predominant method.


Rotoscoping is a mature technology which has lowered the cost and complexity to the point where it comes free on people's phones and in Zoom. Even pro versions like Ultimatte are super cheap compared to 20-30 years ago. I couldn't stop noticing how uneven the green screen is in that shot but modern software doesn't care.

OTOH, it's easy to see why creative love LED screens

Virtual Production - Using LED Wall and Unreal Engine real-time
Youtube wbW2qWIO2Jw
 
2022-08-13 1:02:06 PM  

Lsherm: Does anyone else watch this and think it's sad?

She's acting against nothing. I don't know how she does it.


Shakespearean actors have SEVERAL scenes where it's just them facing the fourth wall delivering a soliloquy. No other actors. Just the blinding lights that make it nearly impossible to see the audience.

A good actor doesn't need other people to act or react to. It's nice. It makes a scene more entertaining for the actors themselves, but it's not required if you can actually act.
 
2022-08-13 1:20:32 PM  

WilderKWight: Lsherm: Does anyone else watch this and think it's sad?

She's acting against nothing. I don't know how she does it.

Shakespearean actors have SEVERAL scenes where it's just them facing the fourth wall delivering a soliloquy. No other actors. Just the blinding lights that make it nearly impossible to see the audience.

A good actor doesn't need other people to act or react to. It's nice. It makes a scene more entertaining for the actors themselves, but it's not required if you can actually act.



The Baron Harkonnen: Vendetta (part 5 of 14)
Youtube P14BItB67zE
 
2022-08-13 1:32:56 PM  

chucknasty: Lsherm: Does anyone else watch this and think it's sad?

She's acting against nothing. I don't know how she does it.

for lots of money is my guess. I would talk to a wall for a million bucks.


Of course you would, that doesn't mean you would do it convincingly.
 
2022-08-13 1:37:11 PM  

cloudofdust: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Carter Pewterschmidt: There's a huge amount of green screen work in everyday shows, it's not just sci fi.

This is from 2009.

[YouTube video: Stargate Studios Virtual Backlot Reel 2009]

/And green screen is now often replaced by huge LED screens. The background is shown on those screens. The lighting is better and the actors can see and react to what they're showing.

I wouldn't say often. LED as far as VFX go is still a pretty recent development. Keying is still the predominant method.

Rotoscoping is a mature technology which has lowered the cost and complexity to the point where it comes free on people's phones and in Zoom. Even pro versions like Ultimatte are super cheap compared to 20-30 years ago. I couldn't stop noticing how uneven the green screen is in that shot but modern software doesn't care.

OTOH, it's easy to see why creative love LED screens

[YouTube video: Virtual Production - Using LED Wall and Unreal Engine real-time]


Rotoscoping is different than keying, though both achieve the same effect. And yes, software these days is incredibly good, and affordable. I'm sure a good amount of cleanup/multiple keys were necessary to pull a good key on that unevenly lit screen but it's still impressive nonetheless. Gone are the days where it was nearly impossible to do green screen work with anything less than 4:2:2 footage. Now it works on highly compressed phone footage, and in real time (though that still need some work).
 
2022-08-13 2:03:48 PM  

lindalouwho: Lsherm: Does anyone else watch this and think it's sad?

She's acting against nothing. I don't know how she does it.

My thoughts exactly.


I see nothing sad or difficult about it.  When you are watching traditionally made movies and the character is sitting in their living room they aren't really there.  They are in a set with 3 walls and a floor but no 4th wall or ceiling.  Characters talking on a phone aren't really talking to somebody on the other end. People driving cars, riding on trains, flying in jets, aren't.

The job of the actor has always been to pretend that they are doing something that they really aren't. And the job of the audience has always been to pretend to believe them.
 
2022-08-13 2:17:24 PM  
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2022-08-13 2:36:59 PM  

buntz: discotaco: buntz: How does it account for the area outside the green screen?
I don't know FX, but there are things going on outside the green areas.

You just have to try to cover the outline of the foreground objects -- usually people and the things they directly interact with.  Otherwise, you have to rotoscope (i.e., cut out) the people from the frame.  A little bit of rotoscoping (aka "roto") is relatively inexpensive, but can be time consuming.  And it's usually not as good as just having the characters play against green screen, as the edges in roto can be messy and inconsistent.

Having the people on different layers also gives more flexibility and creative control.  Think of it like Photoshop, but with moving images.

That's interesting, I still don't really understand it, my simple mind assumes that the background image is being projected onto the green, but anything outside of the green would not be covered and therefore you would have to zoom in so that the green covered the whole screen


My basic understanding was this had a ton of rotoscoping.  The only ones who filmed anything new, and presumably easiest to insert, was the girl group first introduced.
BBC Radio 2: Elvis Presley's dream line-up
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2022-08-13 2:57:51 PM  

Noah_Tall: lindalouwho: Lsherm: Does anyone else watch this and think it's sad?

She's acting against nothing. I don't know how she does it.

My thoughts exactly.

I see nothing sad or difficult about it.  When you are watching traditionally made movies and the character is sitting in their living room they aren't really there.  They are in a set with 3 walls and a floor but no 4th wall or ceiling.  Characters talking on a phone aren't really talking to somebody on the other end. People driving cars, riding on trains, flying in jets, aren't.

The job of the actor has always been to pretend that they are doing something that they really aren't. And the job of the audience has always been to pretend to believe them.


If you're trying to say there's no difference between the two, well, you're just wrong.
 
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