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(MacRumors)   Remember when Apple was lauded for taking action to stop privacy intrusive apps? Here's a fun fact: they only did that after their attempts to extort money from Facebook failed   (macrumors.com) divider line
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514 clicks; posted to Business » on 12 Aug 2022 at 8:20 PM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-08-12 8:46:52 PM  
Not a surprise. Corporations don't care about you. They view you as a revenue stream. The only chance people have is to pit corporations against each other.
 
2022-08-12 9:08:49 PM  
I would not call this headline the closest possible reading. This would have been in addition to Apple's projects to limit app snooping. Facebook is only one of the many companies that invade your privacy, after all, and those privacy efforts go back longer than this one-off discussion.

Further, it would have been a proof of concept about whether it is possible to attack, from the supply side, the impetus for corporations to invade user privacy: If you pay to remove advertising, I have no need to track you.

But Facebook gambled that it could continue to circumvent Apple's attempts to protect user privacy, and that their revenue from selling user data is more lucrative than a subscription model (a friendly reminder of how much Facebook is making off of selling your data and shoving ads in your face).

They gambled and lost, and now all they can do is whine about it - and try to look for every way to paint Apple as a villain.
 
2022-08-12 10:17:55 PM  
Apple works for China, yo.
 
2022-08-12 11:06:36 PM  

TheYeti: Apple works for China, yo.


Then so is Google, Amazon, Microsoft and every other tech company you can think of.
 
2022-08-13 12:49:14 AM  

Enigmamf: I would not call this headline the closest possible reading. This would have been in addition to Apple's projects to limit app snooping. Facebook is only one of the many companies that invade your privacy, after all, and those privacy efforts go back longer than this one-off discussion.

Further, it would have been a proof of concept about whether it is possible to attack, from the supply side, the impetus for corporations to invade user privacy: If you pay to remove advertising, I have no need to track you.

But Facebook gambled that it could continue to circumvent Apple's attempts to protect user privacy, and that their revenue from selling user data is more lucrative than a subscription model (a friendly reminder of how much Facebook is making off of selling your data and shoving ads in your face).

They gambled and lost, and now all they can do is whine about it - and try to look for every way to paint Apple as a villain.


That's a very incorrect reading. What they gambled on is that introducing a fee, even a completely insignificant one, would lead to a mass user exodus. Because the value of a user, as of the last data I saw, is about $30 - 40 per year. They make money because of quantity of users -- at 3 billion active monthly users, even a dollar per user per month adds up. If any sizeable number of those leave because of a fee model, and sizeable number here is "any number that exceed 1%," the headline is "Facebook losing users" and their stock price tanks.

I'm not saying Facebook is in the right here, or that they're a good company. But neither is Apple. Everyone in the story is an asshole.
 
2022-08-13 6:21:53 AM  

Lusiphur: That's a very incorrect reading.


The notion that surveillance capitalism is worse for the world than plain old selling goods and services is absolutely correct.

Google and Facebook are a cancer who decided that radicalizing people with more and more extreme content was good, because it kept eyes glued to screens longer looking at ads.
 
2022-08-13 10:51:49 AM  

Enigmamf: They gambled and lost, and now all they can do is whine about it - and try to look for every way to paint Apple as a villain.


I came in here to ask: who leaked this? Anonymous sources from, say, Facebook?
 
2022-08-13 2:39:44 PM  
Apple has always been evil...
 
2022-08-13 3:09:56 PM  

BullBearMS: Lusiphur: That's a very incorrect reading.

The notion that surveillance capitalism is worse for the world than plain old selling goods and services is absolutely correct.

Google and Facebook are a cancer who decided that radicalizing people with more and more extreme content was good, because it kept eyes glued to screens longer looking at ads.


"Surveillance capitalism?" It's the same shiat that's been going on since customer loyalty programs at grocery stores in the 60s. And in return for your mostly worthless data that, by the way, is used to serve you better ads (because when tested, people overwhelmingly preferred custom-target ads to general or contextual) and that's basically it, you get tools that used to cost hundreds of dollars. For free.

The radicalization is absolutely a problem, but it's a completely different problem that's also faced by every company that relies on users and has little oversight. The same thing is happening to cable news -- should we ban cable news? Or should we not conflate two distinct problems in to one for the sake of making edgy shiat-posts?
 
2022-08-13 3:19:27 PM  
Show us on the doll where Mr. Jobs touched you, Subby.
 
2022-08-13 4:10:08 PM  

Lusiphur: "Surveillance capitalism?" It's the same shiat that's been going on since customer loyalty programs at grocery stores in the 60s.


It is not, and you should be ashamed for even spouting that bullshiat.

In a nutshell: Shoshana Zuboff: Shoshana Zuboff: Surveillance Capitalism and Democracy
Youtube 5AvtUrHxg8A
 
2022-08-13 4:14:48 PM  
Today's Facebook news...  They have changed the Facebook and Instagram apps so that when you click on a link, the web site opens inside their app, where they insert code into any website you open to completely track everything you do, instead of sending you to an external browser.

"The Instagram [and Facebook] app injects their JavaScript code into every website shown, including when clicking on ads. Even though pcm.js doesn't do this, injecting custom scripts into third party websites allows them to monitor all user interactions, like every button & link tapped, text selections, screenshots, as well as any form inputs, like passwords, addresses and credit card numbers," Krause wrote.
 
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