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(CBC)   Ontario Premier Doug Ford swallows a bee while talking about privatizing healthcare   (cbc.ca) divider line
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2022-08-12 1:06:50 PM  
That poor, brave bee went kamikaze trying to save Ontario by choking this dipshiat windbag out.  Valiant effort, bee, but unfortunately you'd need the whole hive to choke that bellowing douchecanoe.
 
2022-08-12 1:51:05 PM  
"Ford told reporters he's a strong believer in public health care, but his government is going to "get creative" when looking at how it could be delivered."


Sorry, I do not trust ANY Conservative Gov't to "get creative" on anything, let alone healthcare.

There are definitely many other ways to manage costs & reduce waste. Unfortunately, he was just re-elected which gives him his opportunity to "get creative".

Healthcare is the single most important issue for Canadians & we better be paying attention or things will change.

While there was not much to choose from at the election, a minority Gov't would have kept him in check.

For those that did not vote - thanks!
 
2022-08-12 2:38:15 PM  
Trying to keep our medicine free,
Eric the healthcare bee...
 
2022-08-12 2:39:05 PM  
Maybe take it as a sign.
 
2022-08-12 2:40:14 PM  
Thank you Doctor Bees!

DR. BEES
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2022-08-12 2:40:16 PM  
My dog stepped on a bee :(
 
2022-08-12 2:40:29 PM  
LMAO. Of course that guy would have that happen to him. He is such a bumblefark.

"Holy Christ, I just swallowed a bee," "Sorry guys. The little bugger got away in there,"
LMAOOOO
He needs to get far away from gov't and start up a Jackass type show. That seems like a perfect niche.
 
2022-08-12 2:41:01 PM  
Privatizing healthcare?  It seems not just the Brits but also the Canadians are becoming more and more American. Is there any place that is immune?
 
2022-08-12 2:41:03 PM  
Dougie: "I'm going to be rushed to the hospital to get this bee out of here."

Good luck with the current ER wait times
 
2022-08-12 2:43:02 PM  
We can finally get top of the line, world class , American style health care!

"Bee" seen in as little as 20 mins, just make sure to provide the title to your home, car, RRSP, and any assets that can be recovered to collect the debt.

This should be a HUUUGE boost to the economy. I normally have to invest in the USA for debt collection opportunities, but now can do that at home.

Should go a long way to making homes affordable again.
 
2022-08-12 2:43:54 PM  
I hear crack kills bees.
 
2022-08-12 2:45:48 PM  
Won't it sting him from within?! Anyway, the poor bee has no future. It'll just get digested and pooped out.

Maybe this is a secret message. Great Reset. Everyone will own nothing and be happy. Everyone will eat BUGS.
 
2022-08-12 2:46:59 PM  
Last week we put liquid paper on a bee...and it died.
 
2022-08-12 2:48:38 PM  

Tentacle: Dougie: "I'm going to be rushed to the hospital to get this bee out of here."

Good luck with the current ER wait times


Wait times that wouldn't be there if he invested more money hiring more farking hospital staff and removing the wage cap like he should have done two goddamn years ago.
 
2022-08-12 2:48:55 PM  
Just like his brother -- inhaling all sorts of odd things.
 
2022-08-12 2:49:43 PM  
The privatization of some services in BC has reduced the quality of care for British Columbians while allowing a small group of people to profit greatly from our healthcare system. It's total BS.

None of it matters though. Everyone is only out to get theirs these days. fark humanity as a whole. Live fast, die rich, fark the future.
 
2022-08-12 2:50:06 PM  
Even the bees hate him.
 
2022-08-12 2:52:13 PM  
Skip to the end where he swallows a horse, and he's dead like his methy bro, of course..
 
2022-08-12 2:52:58 PM  

bifster: "Ford told reporters he's a strong believer in public health care, but his government is going to "get creative" when looking at how it could be delivered."


Sorry, I do not trust ANY Conservative Gov't to "get creative" on anything, let alone healthcare.

There are definitely many other ways to manage costs & reduce waste. Unfortunately, he was just re-elected which gives him his opportunity to "get creative".

Healthcare is the single most important issue for Canadians & we better be paying attention or things will change.

While there was not much to choose from at the election, a minority Gov't would have kept him in check.

For those that did not vote - thanks!


He will save Ontario from the horrors of Socialized Medicine and Death Panels just like the American Republicans he admires. Look forward to Efficiency and Capitalist Innovation and "The Poor don't really want healthcare. They want to be Strong and Bootstrappy".

Doesn't matter how unpopular it is. Once the changes get rammed through you're going to have American-style for-profit Hell, and they'll make it structurally impossible to go back to what you had.
 
2022-08-12 2:55:24 PM  
We just don't realize or appreciate how much bees do for people and the environment.
 
2022-08-12 2:56:54 PM  
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2022-08-12 2:58:45 PM  
Oprah Winfrey and Nicholas Cage observe this incident with mutual apian solidarity and laugh uproariously
 
2022-08-12 3:02:49 PM  

SumoJeb: The privatization of some services in BC has reduced the quality of care for British Columbians while allowing a small group of people to profit greatly from our healthcare system. It's total BS.

None of it matters though. Everyone is only out to get theirs these days. fark humanity as a whole. Live fast, die rich, fark the future.


My approach to privatization would be to allow it, but to tax it heavily so that every private procedure would also pay for one person on the public waiting list to receive an equivalent procedure for free at that same clinic.
 
2022-08-12 3:03:43 PM  

hegelsghost: Privatizing healthcare?  It seems not just the Brits but also the Canadians are becoming more and more American. Is there any place that is immune?


Canada's healtcare system is a hot mess right now, and I say that as a Canadian who likes public healthcare. So I can understand the frustration and tempation to privatize parts of it.

There are two things our system needs more of, whether it's private or public: money and medical professionals. Health care costs are growing at a rate much greater than other parts of the economy, and budgets aren't keeping up.

We also don't produce enough doctors, nurses, technicians, and other health professionals, so even if we spend more money or build enough clinics/hospitals, we wouldn't be able to find enough people to staff them.

So, the thing is, if we privatize, will it actually increase capacity? Probably not if we can't get those health professionals because we don't have enough. Even worse, if they privatize and make a two-lane, public system and private system, it sucks those human resources away from the public and into the private, which probably pays better, and the public system is even more stressed.

I'm not averse to privatizing some aspects of Canadian healthcare (mainly small, specialized clinics, and never hospitals), but they should operate and bill the public system, who sets fixed rates, and everyone should have access. My wife worked at a clinic like this and, as far as I can tell, it was a pretty good model of how things can work.

But to succeed at making things better, the system needs that money and people no matter what they do, not forgetting that training people also takes a lot of money and time. Somehow, I suspect Uncle Doug and other Conservative premiers will ignore this nuance, however, and just do what they want to do regardless of whether they think it will work or not.
 
2022-08-12 3:07:57 PM  
I wouldn't trust this guy to sell me shiatty hash out of his car. The fact the GTA seems to love this dude just proves Toronto is literally surrounded by idiots.
 
2022-08-12 3:09:05 PM  
Better luck next time bee.
 
2022-08-12 3:09:17 PM  
The healthcare solution is easy. Quadruple the funding, raise taxes. Stop treating staff like crap.

Do I have to come up with everything around here?
 
2022-08-12 3:18:23 PM  
So on a scale from 1 to 10 how much does that hurt


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2022-08-12 3:19:53 PM  

GoodHomer: hegelsghost: Privatizing healthcare?  It seems not just the Brits but also the Canadians are becoming more and more American. Is there any place that is immune?

Canada's healtcare system is a hot mess right now, and I say that as a Canadian who likes public healthcare. So I can understand the frustration and tempation to privatize parts of it.

There are two things our system needs more of, whether it's private or public: money and medical professionals. Health care costs are growing at a rate much greater than other parts of the economy, and budgets aren't keeping up.

We also don't produce enough doctors, nurses, technicians, and other health professionals, so even if we spend more money or build enough clinics/hospitals, we wouldn't be able to find enough people to staff them.

So, the thing is, if we privatize, will it actually increase capacity? Probably not if we can't get those health professionals because we don't have enough. Even worse, if they privatize and make a two-lane, public system and private system, it sucks those human resources away from the public and into the private, which probably pays better, and the public system is even more stressed.

I'm not averse to privatizing some aspects of Canadian healthcare (mainly small, specialized clinics, and never hospitals), but they should operate and bill the public system, who sets fixed rates, and everyone should have access. My wife worked at a clinic like this and, as far as I can tell, it was a pretty good model of how things can work.

But to succeed at making things better, the system needs that money and people no matter what they do, not forgetting that training people also takes a lot of money and time. Somehow, I suspect Uncle Doug and other Conservative premiers will ignore this nuance, however, and just do what they want to do regardless of whether they think it will work or not.


In theory it sounds good, but I think getting Canadians more accustomed to privatized healthcare would be a massive mistake. Covid took a large toll on our system, but there's a reason we had so few deaths. If our current healthcare system isn't something we're willing to fight for and fund properly, we've fallen far.

We have a long history of putting up with Conservatives until they try shiat like this and then smacking them back down. Here's hoping that continues.
 
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2022-08-12 3:25:57 PM  
I'm not going to try to privatize healthcare or may god strike me down where I *GAAAAAAACK*

that's how it came across to me :P
 
2022-08-12 3:44:48 PM  
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2022-08-12 3:48:51 PM  

GoodHomer: hegelsghost: Privatizing healthcare?  It seems not just the Brits but also the Canadians are becoming more and more American. Is there any place that is immune?

Canada's healtcare system is a hot mess right now, and I say that as a Canadian who likes public healthcare. So I can understand the frustration and tempation to privatize parts of it.

There are two things our system needs more of, whether it's private or public: money and medical professionals. Health care costs are growing at a rate much greater than other parts of the economy, and budgets aren't keeping up.

We also don't produce enough doctors, nurses, technicians, and other health professionals, so even if we spend more money or build enough clinics/hospitals, we wouldn't be able to find enough people to staff them.

So, the thing is, if we privatize, will it actually increase capacity? Probably not if we can't get those health professionals because we don't have enough. Even worse, if they privatize and make a two-lane, public system and private system, it sucks those human resources away from the public and into the private, which probably pays better, and the public system is even more stressed.

I'm not averse to privatizing some aspects of Canadian healthcare (mainly small, specialized clinics, and never hospitals), but they should operate and bill the public system, who sets fixed rates, and everyone should have access. My wife worked at a clinic like this and, as far as I can tell, it was a pretty good model of how things can work.

But to succeed at making things better, the system needs that money and people no matter what they do, not forgetting that training people also takes a lot of money and time. Somehow, I suspect Uncle Doug and other Conservative premiers will ignore this nuance, however, and just do what they want to do regardless of whether they think it will work or not.


All that privatization will do is lower quality, squeeze healthcare workers, close hospitals, kill people, and take money that could be going to patient care and put it into the hands of billionaires. The point of the "efficiencies" isn't to deliver better care for less. It is to maximize profits. And that means not paying for expensive treatments and transferring the added value of each dollar of healthcare to the shareholders.
 
2022-08-12 3:51:54 PM  

hegelsghost: Privatizing healthcare?  It seems not just the Brits but also the Canadians are becoming more and more American. Is there any place that is immune?


There are a group of Canadians that have been saying this for quite some time, this is nothing new. They also typically believe that Americans are seen right away, there is no waiting ever, because they flashed a wad of cash. They also believe they could flash said wad of cash. Say anything different and you don't know what you're talking about.

Any Canadian that talks about privatizing healthcare can go fark themselves. Hard. To Death.
 
2022-08-12 3:53:11 PM  

hegelsghost: Privatizing healthcare?  It seems not just the Brits but also the Canadians are becoming more and more American. Is there any place that is immune?


PRIVATSATION!! This is one of the things that give greedy, heartless conservatives the stffies. Really, if you are not a greedy businessman, voting for these guys is idiotic.
 
2022-08-12 4:04:18 PM  

patcarew: The healthcare solution is easy. Quadruple the funding, raise taxes. Stop treating staff like crap.

Do I have to come up with everything around here?


How does that build new highways no one needs or wants? It'll never fly with Dougie.
 
2022-08-12 4:12:44 PM  
HOLY CHRIST!
 
2022-08-12 4:16:23 PM  

anuran: All that privatization will do is lower quality, squeeze healthcare workers, close hospitals, kill people, and take money that could be going to patient care and put it into the hands of billionaires. The point of the "efficiencies" isn't to deliver better care for less. It is to maximize profits. And that means not paying for expensive treatments and transferring the added value of each dollar of healthcare to the shareholders.


There are different ways to privatize.

If you privatize hospitals and allow them to be owned by giant corporations, you're damn right that will happen.

if you privatize specialized clinics, and they must be owned by doctors, nurses, or other professionals who work in them, and they get paid standard rates set by the provinces, it's much less risky (and, frankly, family medicine has worked this way for years in Canada, so it's not really novel).

All that said, you don't get around the elephants in the room: not enough money in health care and not enough people to work in the system.
 
2022-08-12 4:22:13 PM  
His speech suddenly turned bee-utiful.
 
2022-08-12 4:30:33 PM  

GoodHomer: anuran: All that privatization will do is lower quality, squeeze healthcare workers, close hospitals, kill people, and take money that could be going to patient care and put it into the hands of billionaires. The point of the "efficiencies" isn't to deliver better care for less. It is to maximize profits. And that means not paying for expensive treatments and transferring the added value of each dollar of healthcare to the shareholders.

There are different ways to privatize.

If you privatize hospitals and allow them to be owned by giant corporations, you're damn right that will happen.

if you privatize specialized clinics, and they must be owned by doctors, nurses, or other professionals who work in them, and they get paid standard rates set by the provinces, it's much less risky (and, frankly, family medicine has worked this way for years in Canada, so it's not really novel).

All that said, you don't get around the elephants in the room: not enough money in health care and not enough people to work in the system.


"Less risky" means "The camel's nose and head and neck are under the tent, but we draw the line at the hump." One of the ways things got bad fast in the US was the change from "Doctors are only allowed to get paid for patient care" to "Doctors are allowed to get paid for owning pharmacies and free-standing radiology centers and surgeries". It won't necessarily turn awful, but it increases the odds. Learn from what we did wrong.

Privatizing won't increase the numbers of professionals. Raising their pay - which privatisation won't do except for a few at the top - will. But it will take time. Again, here in the US the pattern has been disheartening. The only reason we had awful rather than critically awful - it's critically awful now - shortages was wholesale importation of foreign and often underqualified workers on H-2 visas which kept the supply up, wages low, and corporate bottom lines acceptably fat.
 
2022-08-12 4:33:18 PM  
.... take home message - if a player is introduced whose only function is to get between those who provide a service and those who receive it and take out a chunk of every transaction the recipients and all but a tiny handful of providers will suffer. There's only so much added value to go around.
 
2022-08-12 4:53:47 PM  
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2022-08-12 5:05:22 PM  
I have a 4 point plan for fixing Canadian healthcare that will reduce per person and long long term over all cost, and create better health outcomes. Upfront costs will be pretty big but the payback period is small.

No one cares though. Most people can't stomach real change.


Guess privatization is the only way out now./s
 
2022-08-12 5:20:17 PM  
Is schadenfreude fatal if the erection lasts more than 4 hours?
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2022-08-12 8:06:17 PM  
I thought he's the kind of guy who has wasps coming out of him?
 
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