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(New Musical Express)   George R.R. Martin had no input on the later Game of Thrones seasons, which is why they were so good   (nme.com) divider line
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2022-08-12 10:12:01 AM  
Was he the only one on set who knew how to set camera exposure levels correctly?
 
2022-08-12 10:14:13 AM  
Because, after a certain point, they are producing their own interpretation of your thing and they want you to f*ck off.
 
2022-08-12 10:21:27 AM  
I don't believe that. He used the later seasons to test a possible ending. It did not test well, so he does not know what to do.
 
2022-08-12 10:45:18 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I don't believe that. He used the later seasons to test a possible ending. It did not test well, so he does not know what to do.


This. I seem to remember him saying he was consulted quite a bit on where certain characters should end up and who ends up on the Iron Throne.

That aside, just let it die, George. You obviously aren't gonna finish the story. It's almost impossible to stick the landing at this point. Just retitle the book as Chinese Democracy, and we'll all get the idea and move on.

I'm also fairly certain that new prequel will be pretty ignored.

It was fun while it lasted though.
 
2022-08-12 10:47:44 AM  
All that walking...
Oh, wrong one?
 
2022-08-12 11:58:18 AM  
Oh, Subby

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2022-08-12 12:03:10 PM  
Martin also previously stated to Entertainment Weekly that he turned down a cameo in the show's final season to focus on writing The Winds Of Winter.

OK, I got a laugh out of that.
 
2022-08-12 12:29:10 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I don't believe that. He used the later seasons to test a possible ending. It did not test well, so he does not know what to do.


I mean... the ending could work if it was built up appropriately.

Instead I was dying laughing because Daenerys reminded me of this outstanding Futurama moment:
I wanna be a witch - Futurama
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2022-08-12 12:33:08 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: scottydoesntknow: I don't believe that. He used the later seasons to test a possible ending. It did not test well, so he does not know what to do.

This. I seem to remember him saying he was consulted quite a bit on where certain characters should end up and who ends up on the Iron Throne


Where they ended up wasn't the issue.  It was the lazy, ham fisted way they were steered there.  They didn't lay the groundwork for Daenyrs suddenly becoming the big bad, Tyrion goes from the smartest man in Westeros who hates his sister to a complete idiot who suddenly trusts her to do the right thing etc.

If GRRM had the same end points in mind, I guarantee he would get there (eventually - like before the heat death of the universe) in a much more satisfying way.
 
2022-08-12 12:35:06 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Martin also previously stated to Entertainment Weekly that he turned down a cameo in the show's final season to focus on writing The Winds Of Winter.

OK, I got a laugh out of that.


Yeah, same.

I don't expect we'll ever get WOW, but I'll still read it if we do.  It hasn't really diminished my enjoyment of reading the series up to that point.
 
2022-08-12 12:36:49 PM  
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Georgie! When are you gonna finish Winds of Winter?
 
2022-08-12 12:39:43 PM  
I mean. Danny turning evil could've worked if it had been built up to. Likewise Bran becoming King. You know, the only person who should become king is someone who doesn't want to be king type of deal. What most people want is probably some sort of actual decently happy ending after reading about all the awful crap the characters have had to go through and how often evil seemed to triumph. But knowing George it'll probably be something depressing. Which fits with how the show ended.

But I dunno what could fix the wet noodle John Snow became in that last season. What else? Jamie going crawling back to Cerci was just utterly dumb. Tyrion became an idiot for the last two seasons. Cerci dying via falling rocks was wholly anti-climatic. And the ice walker battle featured some of the stupidest decisions in the whole show.
 
2022-08-12 12:48:51 PM  
George RR Martin and the show based on his world are a LOT alike.

Both built up huge critical acclaim and fan love and became massively influential hits, and it looks like both will fumble the ball so hard at the three-yard line that their legacy will be forever remembered as the fumble and not all the plays that got them to the three-yard line in the first place.

That's your legacy, George.

Not the huge, sprawling, and occasionally brilliant thing you created.

Your legacy is how spectacularly you botched it in the end.

Distance yourself from the show all you like, but that's reality. Your legacy and the show's is going to be basically the same: a legacy of failing to live up to your initial promise.
 
2022-08-12 12:56:12 PM  

Snapper Carr: AnotherBluesStringer: scottydoesntknow: I don't believe that. He used the later seasons to test a possible ending. It did not test well, so he does not know what to do.

This. I seem to remember him saying he was consulted quite a bit on where certain characters should end up and who ends up on the Iron Throne

Where they ended up wasn't the issue.  It was the lazy, ham fisted way they were steered there.  They didn't lay the groundwork for Daenyrs suddenly becoming the big bad, Tyrion goes from the smartest man in Westeros who hates his sister to a complete idiot who suddenly trusts her to do the right thing etc.

If GRRM had the same end points in mind, I guarantee he would get there (eventually - like before the heat death of the universe) in a much more satisfying way.


Especially as you'd get a lot more of the food described in excruciating detail.
 
2022-08-12 12:57:45 PM  
We kind of forgot about good writing
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2022-08-12 1:06:06 PM  
Season 8 was the worst season.

Season 8 is also better than 90% of weekly television. So I'll take it.
 
2022-08-12 1:06:56 PM  
If you didn't know Danny was a bad guy after season three you were not paying attention. The ending had ton of problems, but her deciding to burn a whole continent because they didn't worship her wasn't one of them.
 
2022-08-12 1:16:19 PM  
Not saying he didn't have a bunch of input. But it's not a stretch to think that a man who did not have the material developed like he did for the previous seasons would take a self-preservation step back and yell, "looking good!" every so often.
 
2022-08-12 1:17:22 PM  
Fat Boy has a huge second chance being handed to him on a silver platter here. The books were dead, but a terrible TV ending is the best thing that could have happened.

All he has to do is write them. He'll never be better than JRR if he doesnt finish.

Plus, make Stannis win.
 
2022-08-12 1:19:08 PM  

Great clown Pagliacci's pick-me-up: If you didn't know Danny was a bad guy after season three you were not paying attention. The ending had ton of problems, but her deciding to burn a whole continent because they didn't worship her wasn't one of them.


People didn't read the books or forgot that she has always been 100% for subjugating the world through violence. She was completely on board with her son being foretold to essentially become Genghis Khan. Her going through hardships and occasionally killing some bad people doesn't make her a good person.
 
2022-08-12 1:26:35 PM  
Arya's storyline is somewhat baffling and deeply disappointing too.

Faceless man:  "Welcome to our secret cult where you'll be spending quite some time on your initiation."
Arya:  "Neat. Some character building."
Faceless man: "We serve a mysterious god that's deeply woven into the mythos of this world, who is literally the God of Death. Death includes your identity, so going back to your old life is expressly forbidden. In exchange for this total servitude you get cool powers."
Arya: "So despite agreeing to all that, I decided I want the powers without the servitude, also I'm going back to my old life with what is definitely my prior identity. Also I murdered your groupie. I'm out."
Faceless man:  "Your actions will be without consequence, of course. Please be sure to exit through the gift shop. "
 
2022-08-12 1:28:52 PM  

shoegaze99: George RR Martin and the show based on his world are a LOT alike.

Both built up huge critical acclaim and fan love and became massively influential hits, and it looks like both will fumble the ball so hard at the three-yard line that their legacy will be forever remembered as the fumble and not all the plays that got them to the three-yard line in the first place.

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While it may have single handedly invented the fantasy trilogy and thus begatted longer fantasy series, The Lord of the Rings was written as a single work.  Tolkien wrote the thing through, then rewrote it backwards so the whole thing made sense.  There wasn't a need for trying to get back on track and figure out some way to end the whole thing, he hadn't published so he could make anything still fit.

The economics of the modern world seems to make that impossible.  On the other hand, it wasn't much better in Tolkien's day.  But he had a day job (professor) and it wasn't like WWII was a great time for publishing books (maybe it was.  Movies did fine).
 
2022-08-12 1:37:22 PM  

Great clown Pagliacci's pick-me-up: If you didn't know Danny was a bad guy after season three you were not paying attention. The ending had ton of problems, but her deciding to burn a whole continent because they didn't worship her wasn't one of them.


Its sort of like how many people never caught on that Walter White was the bad guy.
 
2022-08-12 1:38:20 PM  
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2022-08-12 1:42:46 PM  
As others have noted, the big points of the GoT ending weren't bad, by and large (except Cersei's ending, which was far too kind), it was how they got there. Way too much stuff was painfully rushed, way too many plotholes created, and it basically felt like the last two seasons were missing half their content.
 
2022-08-12 1:49:58 PM  
yet_another_wumpus:

The economics of the modern world seems to make that impossible.  On the other hand, it wasn't much better in Tolkien's day.  But he had a day job (professor) and it wasn't like WWII was a great time for publishing books (maybe it was.  Movies did fine).

I think getting your hands on enough paper for a huge book with a large print run was still pretty difficult in those days.They made sure they'd move enough units of part one before they sunk costs into printing the rest.
 
2022-08-12 1:52:21 PM  
Probably explains the lack of nude scenes.

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2022-08-12 1:55:49 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: shoegaze99: George RR Martin and the show based on his world are a LOT alike.

Both built up huge critical acclaim and fan love and became massively influential hits, and it looks like both will fumble the ball so hard at the three-yard line that their legacy will be forever remembered as the fumble and not all the plays that got them to the three-yard line in the first place.

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While it may have single handedly invented the fantasy trilogy and thus begatted longer fantasy series, The Lord of the Rings was written as a single work.  Tolkien wrote the thing through, then rewrote it backwards so the whole thing made sense.


Hell, he re-started it from the beginning several times, too. The finished version is a result of him taking multiple stabs at it (without an outline or plan), realizing he'd hit a dead end, and then restarting from scratch.

Evil Treebeard. Trotter the hobbit ranger. And a whole BUNCH of odd stuff were once core concepts that he ejected when he realized they weren't going anywhere.

Martin COULD finish the series. The outline is there. At this juncture, we can only assume that he's just not that interested in finishing and prefers other distractions instead.

Omnidirectional Punching: Great clown Pagliacci's pick-me-up: If you didn't know Danny was a bad guy after season three you were not paying attention. The ending had ton of problems, but her deciding to burn a whole continent because they didn't worship her wasn't one of them.

People didn't read the books or forgot that she has always been 100% for subjugating the world through violence. She was completely on board with her son being foretold to essentially become Genghis Khan. Her going through hardships and occasionally killing some bad people doesn't make her a good person.


Yep. As far as she goes, her ending was close to inevitable. She was always headed in that direction. In a lot of ways, the defining characteristics of Dany is that she's a tremendous ego who justifies being a brutal dictator because it's her "right" to rule.

That it was often bad people she had to topple to get there was merely fortunate happenstance. She'd have been just as barbaric if there were GOOD people standing in her way, because in her mind, ruling was her birthright and she deserved it no matter the cost.

This was ALWAYS at the core of her character.

If people missed that in the show -- and I don't know how, because the show was pretty clear about it, too -- maybe they were blinded by Emilia Clarke's likability or something.

'Cause Dany was the worst kind of populist hypocrite, willing to burn it all down solely because she thinks she inherently deserves power regardless of how she gets it, and if denied to her, she's destroy everything around her out of spite.

Hmmmm...
 
2022-08-12 1:56:52 PM  

Snapper Carr: If GRRM had the same end points in mind, I guarantee he would get there (eventually - like before the heat death of the universe) in a much more satisfying way.


Yeah, there's a good amount of valid criticism in George's writing, but I agree with that sentiment.

I'm equally interested in how he'd write the sequences of Hodor's death and the reveal of Jon's heritage.  Because while they were good on the show, I can't help but think of how awesome the red wedding sequence in the book was with the Hound/Arya stuff outside switching back and forth with how things were unfolding at the wedding.  I'm sure the show's version was quite impactful for non-book readers, but it paled in comparison to the book's version and the tension felt reading it.

Though I admit by having known the outcome ahead of time on the show, any sense of shock would be worn off.
 
2022-08-12 2:05:06 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: I can't help but think of how awesome the red wedding sequence in the book was with the Hound/Arya stuff outside switching back and forth with how things were unfolding at the wedding.  I'm sure the show's version was quite impactful for non-book readers, but it paled in comparison to the book's version and the tension felt reading it.


That series of chapters, including the fake-out "death" of Arya, was some of the most gut-punching stuff I've ever read. I was floored. Just in absolute shock. When Arya "died" following the wedding, I had to put the book down and not return to it for a day or so, that's what a blow that series of chapters was.

It was and remains the highlight of the whole series for me.

Granted, I stopped reading not long after that and have no plans to ever return to the series. I saw how the story ends. As someone else said, season 8 was the show's worst, but even the show's worst was still pretty good television. I have no real incentive to wait around another 23 years to see GRRM finish it in prose form.
 
2022-08-12 2:11:40 PM  

shoegaze99: Yep. As far as she goes, her ending was close to inevitable. She was always headed in that direction. In a lot of ways, the defining characteristics of Dany is that she's a tremendous ego who justifies being a brutal dictator because it's her "right" to rule.

[...]

If people missed that in the show -- and I don't know how, because the show was pretty clear about it, too -- maybe they were blinded by Emilia Clarke's likability or something.


I disagree - the show was not clear about it. She had these great coming-of-age moments as she grapples with her humanity versus what she must do to retain power (and order).

And then in Seasons 7 and 8, the show gave Cersei those qualities and explicitly set Dany up as Cersei's foil when it became inevitable they would fight.

Plus, I think what they were going for in the show was that Missandei's death broke the cutie, which would  contradict your "she was evil in plain sight all along" argument. Or maybe you're right that Emilia Clarke's likability blinded me. Regardless, I couldn't help but think it was a farcical development.
 
2022-08-12 2:26:20 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: shoegaze99: Yep. As far as she goes, her ending was close to inevitable. She was always headed in that direction. In a lot of ways, the defining characteristics of Dany is that she's a tremendous ego who justifies being a brutal dictator because it's her "right" to rule.

[...]

If people missed that in the show -- and I don't know how, because the show was pretty clear about it, too -- maybe they were blinded by Emilia Clarke's likability or something.

I disagree - the show was not clear about it. She had these great coming-of-age moments as she grapples with her humanity versus what she must do to retain power (and order).

And then in Seasons 7 and 8, the show gave Cersei those qualities and explicitly set Dany up as Cersei's foil when it became inevitable they would fight.

Plus, I think what they were going for in the show was that Missandei's death broke the cutie, which would  contradict your "she was evil in plain sight all along" argument. Or maybe you're right that Emilia Clarke's likability blinded me. Regardless, I couldn't help but think it was a farcical development.


They mentioned once or twice or a hundred times that fully half of all Targaryens go homicidally insane. She lost the coin toss. The only factor her decisions and experiences had in it was in her internal justifications for her deciding to "burn them all."
 
2022-08-12 2:42:29 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: shoegaze99: Yep. As far as she goes, her ending was close to inevitable. She was always headed in that direction. In a lot of ways, the defining characteristics of Dany is that she's a tremendous ego who justifies being a brutal dictator because it's her "right" to rule.

[...]

If people missed that in the show -- and I don't know how, because the show was pretty clear about it, too -- maybe they were blinded by Emilia Clarke's likability or something.

I disagree - the show was not clear about it. She had these great coming-of-age moments as she grapples with her humanity versus what she must do to retain power (and order).


And also moments where she went against her supposed principles and murdered out of a spite-driven desire for performative "justice," moments where her own advisors were put off by the things she did, where she used public torture as a display of power, and more.

Among her earliest statements was, "Do you understand? I'm no ordinary woman. My dreams come true."

This smacks of a tremendous ego and sincere belief that she is special and inherently righteous, classic traits of those with dictatorial leanings.

When she overthrew tyrants, it was because there was a strategic reason to. She needed their resources. She did not go out of her way to improve lives, she sought to build her power and improved lives was sometimes a happy side effect.

Witness how she relished in the brutal deaths of those that defied her. Unlike Ned, who took such executions as a wearying but necessary part of his duty and a terrible burden he had to bear, she used them as a means to flaunt her power before those she conquered.

In season 2, she declared, "When my dragons are grown... we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground." Not "we will liberate oppressed people and bring peace to the world."

She was a megalomaniac who did no good deeds unless they benefited her directly.

This was there from the start, from when she dispassionately watched her brother tortured to death and then assumed power because, in her mind, it was her right. When it finally fully manifested itself in genocide-levels of murder -- the spiteful, entitled ruler who couldn't bear the idea that not all would worship her -- it was a near inevitable end of her journey.
 
2022-08-12 2:52:28 PM  

SpectroBoy: Was he the only one on set who knew how to set camera exposure levels correctly?


Your television sucks.
 
2022-08-12 2:53:55 PM  
Bran had the best story, yet the show didn't focus on him very much.

Hopefully Winds of Winter is 400 pages of Bran, and 200 pages of what he ate at mealtime.
 
2022-08-12 3:02:11 PM  

shoegaze99: This was there from the start, from when she dispassionately watched her brother tortured to death and then assumed power because, in her mind, it was her right. When it finally fully manifested itself in genocide-levels of murder -- the spiteful, entitled ruler who couldn't bear the idea that not all would worship her -- it was a near inevitable end of her journey.


You're right. And I feel like we might be talking past each other a little.

I'm absolutely not arguing there wasn't groundwork for Dany's crazy bloodlust, and you're perfectly right that GRRM laid the groundwork for it.  Note that I'm not criticizing GRRM nor did I feel a need for Dany to be a hero.

My accusation is that Benihoff & Weiss were total hacks about it for the show and the fact is that found it  unintentionally hilarious. Note that everything in your argument is taken from when the show was in sync with the books (and, again, you're right). I'm saying the whiplash is from when the story was well off the rails in seasons 6 and 7 and then snapped back to what I presume were GRRM's notes for the finale.

In fact, my original argument, if you look back in this thread, is that I think GRRM could hit the same ending to great effect if he does it competently (as opposed to going for a wildly different ending based on fan reaction to the show). Despite my displeasure with the TV show, I do look forward to seeing him complete this ( before the heat death of the universe 🤞)
 
2022-08-12 3:12:05 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: shoegaze99: This was there from the start, from when she dispassionately watched her brother tortured to death and then assumed power because, in her mind, it was her right. When it finally fully manifested itself in genocide-levels of murder -- the spiteful, entitled ruler who couldn't bear the idea that not all would worship her -- it was a near inevitable end of her journey.

You're right. And I feel like we might be talking past each other a little.


Probably so. It happens, especially online. Nothing personal, and believe me, for me this is just a fun discussion on a fun topic, not "you're a dumbass and I've got to prove you wrong!" I'm sure it's the same for you.

I do agree with you, too, that on the show, the pace ramped up in a big way at the end, including her transition to full-on Dragon Queen. I totally get why for some people, it felt more sudden than it arguably was.
 
2022-08-12 3:16:45 PM  
I thought the show only got worse as it went along.
 
2022-08-12 4:07:22 PM  

Tax Boy: Bran had the best story, yet the show didn't focus on him very much.

Hopefully Winds of Winter is 400 pages of Bran, and 200 pages of what he ate at mealtime.


Also bran. He likes to stay regular.
 
2022-08-12 4:27:05 PM  
The ending may not have been what everybody wanted, but I thoroughly enjoyed the journey from episode 1 to the finale.
 
2022-08-12 5:13:23 PM  
This is a surprise? Did people really not know? That much should've been obvious by the not-so subtle change in character writing once they ran out of source material. 

Tyrion was the biggest and most blatant example of this. Once they ran out of clever dialogue to filch from the novels, his cleverness pretty much ceased and he began to make increasingly and uncharacteristically stupid decisions. 

The fact that they completely abandoned well established character arcs - often in manners completely contradicting characters stated goals or ambitions - in the final season is another red flag that showed GRR Martin had little to do with anything that wasn't in his books.
 
2022-08-12 5:18:03 PM  

solcofn: The ending may not have been what everybody wanted, but I thoroughly enjoyed the journey from episode 1 to the finale.


The problem with the ending isn't the ending, but rather how they got to the ending. 

The most glaring example is Bran being put on the throne after spending so much time telling folks he's the three eyed raven and isn't interested in titles or anything like that, paired with the justification of "the best story" which wouldn't really qualify him over Jon, whose story was much better given he literally died and was brought back to life, fought the walkers more than once and survived, rode literal dragons, stopped the mad queen in her tracks and whose legitimacy wasn't even brought up. 

Now, I can understand enjoying S1-7 for what it was, but S8 was... I don't understand how anyone can say they "thoroughly enjoyed" it given how they handled things and completely shoved shiat aside just to speed to an ending.
 
2022-08-12 5:27:54 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: The most glaring example is Bran being put on the throne after spending so much time telling folks he's the three eyed raven and isn't interested in titles


Game of Thrones Evil Ending
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One little montage is all they needed
 
2022-08-12 5:37:40 PM  

Great clown Pagliacci's pick-me-up: If you didn't know Danny was a bad guy after season three you were not paying attention. The ending had ton of problems, but her deciding to burn a whole continent because they didn't worship her wasn't one of them.


It's been stated before, but I'm gonna state it again so people stop it with this nonsense justification for bad writing.

The issue isn't that Danny went bad, it was the lack of proper set up for that switch to flip. She showed up to be what she had always been: A ruthless (not mad) liberator of the oppressed from tyranny.

She had explicitly stated her wish was not to be queen of the ashes, yet when she had her victory, for some reason, after the battle is over - not even during - she takes a look at the Red Keep and decides to go Mad King. She was there to free people from Cersei by force, and then she burned the innocents she had always worked hard to protect, including the women and children that we saw her spending years going out of her way to protect.

Did you forget that she locked her dragons up because of what happened to one child? The writers sure did, because there is no reason for her to actively use her dragon to do that to the hundreds, if not thousands of children in King's Landing at this point in the show.

Anyone who thinks that this switch for Danny was earned, wasn't really paying attention to her character. The seeding of the 180 for her character as "a flip of a coin" is a bullshiat and unearned rationalization that doesn't even fit in with the background of the lore itself. The freaking Mad King himself didn't just randomly flip the switch to "Burn them all!" in one go. He started off as a bit paranoid then was captured and tortured for 6 months before Selmy rescued him, which was when the madness kicked in.

Anyone who thinks that the character change worked really ought to watch this
https://youtu.be/pymojkDct2A
How (NOT) To Write Madness | Arcane vs Game Of Thrones
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2022-08-12 6:16:19 PM  

Snapper Carr: Cthulhu Theory: The most glaring example is Bran being put on the throne after spending so much time telling folks he's the three eyed raven and isn't interested in titles

[YouTube video: Game of Thrones Evil Ending]

One little montage is all they needed


Yeah, except Dumb and Dumber couldn't even manage that.

The fact that someone could do in 2 minutes what they couldn't in a full season only makes it more infuriating.
 
2022-08-12 7:12:21 PM  

SpectroBoy: Was he the only one on set who knew how to set camera exposure levels correctly?


I'm guessing you're referring to the white walker/night king fight in The Long Night episode?

I watched on a large screen TV in a dark room. Looked fantastic to me.
 
2022-08-12 8:17:23 PM  
How you guys remember so much detail about books that were published in 96,98,00,05 and 11 is beyond me. I have not read Game of Thrones since 1996, you could tell me Captain America was in it and I might believe you. Feast (which I quit as soon as I realized it was half a book) was 17 years ago. I must have read 2000 books since then. I probably have time for less than that in my remaining lifetime, I'm not wasting my time rereading 5 doorstops just to catch up.
 
2022-08-12 8:57:47 PM  

Omnidirectional Punching: Great clown Pagliacci's pick-me-up: If you didn't know Danny was a bad guy after season three you were not paying attention. The ending had ton of problems, but her deciding to burn a whole continent because they didn't worship her wasn't one of them.

People didn't read the books or forgot that she has always been 100% for subjugating the world through violence.


That is the premise of the show. What they needed to put more of a hat on is that she kills ALL who do not bend a knee. In most of the show though, she is mostly killing really terrible men and we are okay with it. Sam's father and brother are like the first not terrible men (I don't think the brother did anything to anyone).

She was completely on board with her son being foretold to essentially become Genghis Khan. Her going through hardships and occasionally killing some bad people doesn't make her a good person.

Khan wiped out the towns that did not surrender to scare the crap out of everyone else (for people who think the Death Star wouldn't work, you're wrong). Danny didn't do that. It was not set up. It only works afterwards and you go looking for the clues.
 
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2022-08-12 9:41:45 PM  

Clash City Farker: He'll never be better than JRR


agreed.
 
2022-08-12 9:43:37 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: shoegaze99: Yep. As far as she goes, her ending was close to inevitable. She was always headed in that direction. In a lot of ways, the defining characteristics of Dany is that she's a tremendous ego who justifies being a brutal dictator because it's her "right" to rule.

[...]

If people missed that in the show -- and I don't know how, because the show was pretty clear about it, too -- maybe they were blinded by Emilia Clarke's likability or something.

I disagree - the show was not clear about it. She had these great coming-of-age moments as she grapples with her humanity versus what she must do to retain power (and order).

And then in Seasons 7 and 8, the show gave Cersei those qualities and explicitly set Dany up as Cersei's foil when it became inevitable they would fight.

Plus, I think what they were going for in the show was that Missandei's death broke the cutie, which would  contradict your "she was evil in plain sight all along" argument. Or maybe you're right that Emilia Clarke's likability blinded me. Regardless, I couldn't help but think it was a farcical development.


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