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2022-08-12 2:15:21 PM  
Shiatbags like PA Congressman Scott Perry need to be thrown out of office and into jail for this shiat, or otherwise any state that votes for Biden in 2024 but has a GOP-controlled gerrymandered legislature is just going to say "Wait, I heard from my cousin's grandmother's uncle's plumber's neighbor's dildo repairman that busloads of Guatemalans were taken from polling place to polling place and then marched in to each one chanting 'Hail Soros' before voting straight Democrat and replacing all the Charlie Daniels Band CDs in the jukebox with The Best of Julio Iglesias, so we're just going to throw all the votes out and send some True Americans to reinstall Zombie Donald Trump and Ivanka Trump."
 
2022-08-12 6:59:41 PM  
Three of those justices have signaled they are likely to side with Republican state lawmakers in an upcoming North Carolina redistricting case that could result in a Supreme Court endorsement of what's known as the independent state legislature theory. The lawmakers would need the support of at least two other justices on the court, where conservatives enjoy a 6-3 supermajority.

So it's a done deal then.
Once the "Independent State Legislature" doctrine becomes the law Democracy is over.

In case you don't know what it is:
The independent state legislature theory is a reading of the Constitution, pushed in recent years by a small group of advocates, that would give state legislatures wide authority to gerrymander electoral maps and pass voter suppression laws. It has even been used as political cover to try to overturn elections.

The nightmare scenario is that a legislature, displeased with how an election official on the ground has interpreted her state's election laws, would invoke the theory as a pretext to refuse to certify the results of a presidential election and instead select its own slate of electors. Indeed, this isn't far from the plan attempted by Trump allies following his loss in the 2020 election. And, according to former federal judge J. Michael Luttig - a distinguished conservative jurist - the theory is a part of the "Republican blueprint to steal the 2024 election."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/independent-state-legislature-theory-explained

Welcome to Hell.
Population: us
 
2022-08-12 7:16:37 PM  

Walker: Three of those justices have signaled they are likely to side with Republican state lawmakers in an upcoming North Carolina redistricting case that could result in a Supreme Court endorsement of what's known as the independent state legislature theory. The lawmakers would need the support of at least two other justices on the court, where conservatives enjoy a 6-3 supermajority.

So it's a done deal then.
Once the "Independent State Legislature" doctrine becomes the law Democracy is over.

In case you don't know what it is:
The independent state legislature theory is a reading of the Constitution, pushed in recent years by a small group of advocates, that would give state legislatures wide authority to gerrymander electoral maps and pass voter suppression laws. It has even been used as political cover to try to overturn elections.

The nightmare scenario is that a legislature, displeased with how an election official on the ground has interpreted her state's election laws, would invoke the theory as a pretext to refuse to certify the results of a presidential election and instead select its own slate of electors. Indeed, this isn't far from the plan attempted by Trump allies following his loss in the 2020 election. And, according to former federal judge J. Michael Luttig - a distinguished conservative jurist - the theory is a part of the "Republican blueprint to steal the 2024 election."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/independent-state-legislature-theory-explained

Welcome to Hell.
Population: us


Just need a dem super-majority in House and Senate to pack the courts to fix that bullshiat.

Now, 🤔 everyone needs to vote like their lives depend on it.

/unrealistic dream
 
2022-08-12 7:21:02 PM  
"Honest Elections Project"

Continuing the fine tradition of conservatives naming shiat in a completely Orwellian manner.
 
2022-08-12 7:21:26 PM  

Walker: Three of those justices have signaled they are likely to side with Republican state lawmakers in an upcoming North Carolina redistricting case that could result in a Supreme Court endorsement of what's known as the independent state legislature theory. The lawmakers would need the support of at least two other justices on the court, where conservatives enjoy a 6-3 supermajority.

So it's a done deal then.
Once the "Independent State Legislature" doctrine becomes the law Democracy is over.

In case you don't know what it is:
The independent state legislature theory is a reading of the Constitution, pushed in recent years by a small group of advocates, that would give state legislatures wide authority to gerrymander electoral maps and pass voter suppression laws. It has even been used as political cover to try to overturn elections.

The nightmare scenario is that a legislature, displeased with how an election official on the ground has interpreted her state's election laws, would invoke the theory as a pretext to refuse to certify the results of a presidential election and instead select its own slate of electors. Indeed, this isn't far from the plan attempted by Trump allies following his loss in the 2020 election. And, according to former federal judge J. Michael Luttig - a distinguished conservative jurist - the theory is a part of the "Republican blueprint to steal the 2024 election."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/independent-state-legislature-theory-explained

Welcome to Hell.
Population: us


I tried warning folks.
 
2022-08-12 7:23:40 PM  

Peki: Walker: Three of those justices have signaled they are likely to side with Republican state lawmakers in an upcoming North Carolina redistricting case that could result in a Supreme Court endorsement of what's known as the independent state legislature theory. The lawmakers would need the support of at least two other justices on the court, where conservatives enjoy a 6-3 supermajority.

So it's a done deal then.
Once the "Independent State Legislature" doctrine becomes the law Democracy is over.

In case you don't know what it is:
The independent state legislature theory is a reading of the Constitution, pushed in recent years by a small group of advocates, that would give state legislatures wide authority to gerrymander electoral maps and pass voter suppression laws. It has even been used as political cover to try to overturn elections.

The nightmare scenario is that a legislature, displeased with how an election official on the ground has interpreted her state's election laws, would invoke the theory as a pretext to refuse to certify the results of a presidential election and instead select its own slate of electors. Indeed, this isn't far from the plan attempted by Trump allies following his loss in the 2020 election. And, according to former federal judge J. Michael Luttig - a distinguished conservative jurist - the theory is a part of the "Republican blueprint to steal the 2024 election."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/independent-state-legislature-theory-explained

Welcome to Hell.
Population: us

I tried warning folks.


Been doing the same. Finally convinced my wife that we have to leave Texas and head to bluer pastures. 10 months left in this shiathole.
 
2022-08-12 7:28:45 PM  
Well, I sure am going to miss living in a democracy.
 
2022-08-12 7:30:31 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Shiatbags like PA Congressman Scott Perry need to be thrown out of office and into jail for this shiat, or otherwise any state that votes for Biden in 2024 but has a GOP-controlled gerrymandered legislature is just going to say "Wait, I heard from my cousin's grandmother's uncle's plumber's neighbor's dildo repairman that busloads of Guatemalans were taken from polling place to polling place and then marched in to each one chanting 'Hail Soros' before voting straight Democrat and replacing all the Charlie Daniels Band CDs in the jukebox with The Best of Julio Iglesias, so we're just going to throw all the votes out and send some True Americans to reinstall Zombie Donald Trump and Ivanka Trump."


You never cease to amaze me.
 
2022-08-12 7:30:57 PM  

Flincher: Peki: Walker: Three of those justices have signaled they are likely to side with Republican state lawmakers in an upcoming North Carolina redistricting case that could result in a Supreme Court endorsement of what's known as the independent state legislature theory. The lawmakers would need the support of at least two other justices on the court, where conservatives enjoy a 6-3 supermajority.

So it's a done deal then.
Once the "Independent State Legislature" doctrine becomes the law Democracy is over.

In case you don't know what it is:
The independent state legislature theory is a reading of the Constitution, pushed in recent years by a small group of advocates, that would give state legislatures wide authority to gerrymander electoral maps and pass voter suppression laws. It has even been used as political cover to try to overturn elections.

The nightmare scenario is that a legislature, displeased with how an election official on the ground has interpreted her state's election laws, would invoke the theory as a pretext to refuse to certify the results of a presidential election and instead select its own slate of electors. Indeed, this isn't far from the plan attempted by Trump allies following his loss in the 2020 election. And, according to former federal judge J. Michael Luttig - a distinguished conservative jurist - the theory is a part of the "Republican blueprint to steal the 2024 election."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/independent-state-legislature-theory-explained

Welcome to Hell.
Population: us

I tried warning folks.

Been doing the same. Finally convinced my wife that we have to leave Texas and head to bluer pastures. 10 months left in this shiathole.


I'm in California, but I dunno how long that'll keep me safe. Going to try to swing Canada as soon as I can convince my son's father.
 
2022-08-12 7:31:26 PM  
So many wolves, so many in tax-free sheep's clothing -- you'd think they'd hold a fashion week when the deception becomes too obvious -- maybe a swimsuit competition.
 
2022-08-12 7:32:24 PM  
Cut the author some slack.

It makes sense that Lo Wang would go for the Lo Wanging fruit.
 
2022-08-12 7:36:40 PM  

Gin Buddy: Well, I sure am going to miss living in a democracy.


I got bad news for you.
 
2022-08-12 7:37:20 PM  

Gin Buddy: Well, I sure am going to miss living in a democracy.


You never did.
 
2022-08-12 7:45:51 PM  

Peki: "Honest Elections Project"

Continuing the fine tradition of conservatives naming shiat in a completely Orwellian manner.


A new one for the list:

Words Conservatives Use Only Ironically
Freedom
Family
Liberty
Truth
Integrity
Patriot
Christian
Independent
Opportunity
Honest
 
2022-08-12 7:50:34 PM  

Peki: "Honest Elections Project"

Continuing the fine tradition of conservatives naming shiat in a completely Orwellian manner.


You should donate to my PAC 'Christian Mothers for Freedom and American Liberty'.

We use all funds to pay for dressing drug addicts in Nazi costumes and make them drown black children for five dollars a pop.
 
2022-08-12 7:54:41 PM  

Petey4335: Gin Buddy: Well, I sure am going to miss living in a democracy.

You never did.


That's right!!! We're a (democratic) ^^***REPUBLIC!******

Q: Why is "Democracy" a dirty word to republicans?
 
2022-08-12 7:54:55 PM  
They should be called the Oxymoron group because you can't have honest elections while you're restricting voting, and they are morons
 
2022-08-12 7:57:45 PM  
"This conservative group" is misspelled.
It should say, "All conservative groups."
 
2022-08-12 8:05:32 PM  

HarveyBrooks: Petey4335: Gin Buddy: Well, I sure am going to miss living in a democracy.

You never did.

That's right!!! We're a (democratic) ^^***REPUBLIC!******

Q: Why is "Democracy" a dirty word to republicans?


For allof this country's history, people have fought and, at times, died because their right to vote became a privilege they were not allowed to have, or were gerrymanderred into an enclave where their candidate(s) of choice had zero chance to actually win an election by design. So, sure, this is this a democratically elected republic. In name. Is it functional? No. That was my point.
 
2022-08-12 8:06:25 PM  
"Honest Elections Project"


How or why do these groups get to be  " tax exempt " ??
 
2022-08-12 8:13:08 PM  
I refuse to recognize a GOP congressional chamber majority.
 
2022-08-13 12:15:13 AM  

Flincher: Peki: Walker: Three of those justices have signaled they are likely to side with Republican state lawmakers in an upcoming North Carolina redistricting case that could result in a Supreme Court endorsement of what's known as the independent state legislature theory. The lawmakers would need the support of at least two other justices on the court, where conservatives enjoy a 6−3 supermajority.

So it's a done deal then.
Once the "Independent State Legislature" doctrine becomes the law Democracy is over.

In case you don't know what it is:
The independent state legislature theory is a reading of the Constitution, pushed in recent years by a small group of advocates, that would give state legislatures wide authority to gerrymander electoral maps and pass voter suppression laws. It has even been used as political cover to try to overturn elections.

The nightmare scenario is that a legislature, displeased with how an election official on the ground has interpreted her state's election laws, would invoke the theory as a pretext to refuse to certify the results of a presidential election and instead select its own slate of electors. Indeed, this isn't far from the plan attempted by Trump allies following his loss in the 2020 election. And, according to former federal judge J. Michael Luttig ― a distinguished conservative jurist ― the theory is a part of the "Republican blueprint to steal the 2024 election."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/independent-state-legislature-theory-explained

Welcome to Hell.
Population: us

I tried warning folks.

Been doing the same. Finally convinced my wife that we have to leave Texas and head to bluer pastures. 10 months left in this shiathole.

It's actually a valid reading of the Constitution. The State legislatures decide how the Electors are chosen. It's just that over time the States have agreed to let the political parties do it, with the voters getting some say in who the party nominee is through primaries and caucuses, and which slate of Electors (pre-pledged to "vote" for that nominee + running mate = ticket) from their state (or two from their state and one from their district in the case of Maine and Nebraska) will get to "vote" on the Electoral College day.

The Constitutional system would be fine if we went all the way with the Constitutional system, which means no political parties! Or at least not being in any way involved with the process of selecting either candidates or Electors. No primaries, no caucuses, no delegates (regular nor "super"), no nominee, no running mate, no ticket, no party-chosen slates of Electors. The legislatures would choose the Electors directly and individually and under their own names (one from each District and two more representing the State as a whole) without regard to party affiliation, and none of them could themselves hold political office (this restriction is actually explicitly stipulated in the Constitution which itself puts the kibosh on the idea of pre-pledging Electors) with no pre-pledging or even prospective Electors saying ahead of time, even to the Legislature, who they might vote for, allowed. In fact, candidates for President and Veep shouldn't even announce their candidacy until all of the Electors are chosen, and then they make their case to the Electors, not the general public. The general public doesn't even have any reason to know who the candidates are! That'd definitely keep a demagogue like Trump out of the White House since his talent is working up crowds, not appealing to well educated.

That's much closer to the system described in the Constitution and Federalist №68 and really would fulfill the purpose described in the latter (which was propaganda, yes ― I know).

If the Legislatures choose to allow the people to have a say, then the people should vote for the Electors individually and under their own names (same restrictions as above), with no pre-pledging, party affiliation, themselves holding public office, etc. A list of prospective Electors residing in their District appears on the general election ballot. Whoever gets the most votes becomes the Elector from that District, and of the runners-up, the top two statewide become the two at-large Electors for the whole State (standing in for the Congressional Senators).

The main justification I can see for keeping the Electoral College is that Executive Branch people shouldn't be directly elected by the people because they don't represent the people. They represent the best interests of the nation. Same reason that none of the rest of the Executive Branch other than the V.P. has even the illusion of being indirectly elected by the people. Merrick Garland is doing fine as AG, but we didn't elect him to that. He was appointed. Mike Pompeo was an abysmal Secretary of State, but Trump appointed him to that. We didn't vote for him. Same for all of the federal Judiciary Branch ― they represent the law as applied to cases according to the merits thereof, with the Constitution as supreme Law of the Land. The idea is that if the people elect an officeholder, that officeholder feels bound to heed the will of the people, and that's Congress's (specifically the House of Representatives's) job. They should be directly elected. Not the rest of the Federal Government.

But if we're going to keep it, especially since the current SCOTUS majority claims to be "textualist originalists," then do it the way the Framers set up. No political parties involved in any way. (And while you're at it, get rid of party-specific Congressional positions such as House / Senate Majority / Minority Leader / Whip ― the powers currently wielded by the Senate Majority Leader rightly belong to the Vice President in her role as President of the Senate, or in her absence, to the President pro tempore of the Senate (which should also be non-partisan: most senior member regardless of party or majority / minority status [which shouldn't even exist in the absence of parties].)

Otherwise we need a Constitutional Amendment to abolish the Electoral College and implement a National Popular Vote. (Sorry, but a National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is expressly unconstitutional as per Article I §10 ¶iii, unless Congress approves, by enacting legislation to specifically allow it.)
 
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