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(Politico)   Of registered voters polled: 49% approve of Mar-a-Lardo raid; 39% are in a cult; and 13% don't know what room they're in or where their pants went   (politico.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, Joe Biden, United States Senate, Federal Bureau of Investigation, FBI's search, President of the United States, Barack Obama, Donald Trump, Democratic Party  
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2022-08-12 8:08:24 AM  
I believe the GOP response is to double down on the lies, and screaming louder.
That's it. That's their entire plan. Scream louder.
🤷‍♀
 
2022-08-12 8:08:41 AM  
I guess you could poll things like drug busts and find significant opposition to them. Terrified of losing their fix or something.
 
2022-08-12 8:08:59 AM  
So what I'm hearing is 51% of the country are farking morans.

..doomed.
 
2022-08-12 8:09:01 AM  
Nobody should CARE what the "popularity" of enforcing the law polls at. You break the law? you get the appropriate arrest, trial, and punishment. Fark all this "but he's polling well, so maybe we shouldn't serve the warrant." That's some absolute fascist, above-the-law shiat.
 
2022-08-12 8:09:10 AM  
Hey! I know where my pants are, they're right where I left my wallet, keys and my left sock the dryer ate.
 
2022-08-12 8:09:50 AM  
Why the hell does it matter if people approve or disapprove of the raid?  The Lawn & Order crowd sure are hypocritical (which really isn't a surprise).
 
2022-08-12 8:10:17 AM  

Elliot8654: Nobody should CARE what the "popularity" of enforcing the law polls at. You break the law? you get the appropriate arrest, trial, and punishment. Fark all this "but he's polling well, so maybe we shouldn't serve the warrant." That's some absolute fascist, above-the-law shiat.


It's the "democracy" part that leads to these things, as governments that do unpopular things tend to not stick around long.
 
2022-08-12 8:10:18 AM  

edmo: I guess you could poll things like drug busts and find significant opposition to them. Terrified of losing their fix or something.


Well it really depends on whether you're raiding my drug dealer, or one of those scuzzy guys the poors go to.
 
2022-08-12 8:11:11 AM  
I'm 101% sure somebody is rounding.
 
2022-08-12 8:11:48 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Why the hell does it matter if people approve or disapprove of the raid?  The Lawn & Order crowd sure are hypocritical (which really isn't a surprise).


Trump getting raided for stealing nuclear secrets is an "out of context" problem for the news media. There's no way to turn this into a horse race or blame the Democratic party. I don't think journalists know how to cover this stuff.
 
2022-08-12 8:12:35 AM  
I never know what she's doing in there...

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2022-08-12 8:13:00 AM  
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2022-08-12 8:14:01 AM  

Weaver95: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Why the hell does it matter if people approve or disapprove of the raid?  The Lawn & Order crowd sure are hypocritical (which really isn't a surprise).

Trump getting raided for stealing nuclear secrets is an "out of context" problem for the news media. There's no way to turn this into a horse race or blame the Democratic party. I don't think journalists know how to cover this stuff.


Sure they can. It's clearly a political hit job. Pay back for Roe. For "lock her up, lock her up". Give them time.
 
2022-08-12 8:15:18 AM  

Weaver95: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Why the hell does it matter if people approve or disapprove of the raid?  The Lawn & Order crowd sure are hypocritical (which really isn't a surprise).

Trump getting raided for stealing nuclear secrets is an "out of context" problem for the news media. There's no way to turn this into a horse race or blame the Democratic party. I don't think journalists know how to cover this stuff.


The real question is how Biden could've been so lax as to let Trump have those documents so long. Is his dementia endangering our nuclear arsenal? Why wasn't he on top of this?!?
 
2022-08-12 8:15:47 AM  
Remember those numbers

49% is going to be Biden's average approval

39% terminally rapetards

12% duuuuuuuuuuuh didn't vote

Polls don't matter anymore, and never will again.
 
2022-08-12 8:16:11 AM  

Weaver95: I believe the GOP response is to double down on the lies, and screaming louder.
That's it. That's their entire plan. Scream louder.
🤷‍♀


If there are top secret files, especially ones containing nuclear and other sensitive data that could cause grave national damage, the screaming will be irrelevant. Until they can answer why he has them that is not damning, then there really is nothing they can do to spin it otherwise than malice. Not talking about the cult of course, but convincing the 60% not in the cult is all you need. The 13% can be convinced if they are bombarded with enough correct information.
 
2022-08-12 8:16:45 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Why the hell does it matter if people approve or disapprove of the raid?  The Lawn & Order crowd sure are hypocritical (which really isn't a surprise).


Yeah, I mean it wasn't like the government was worried that Trump had classified nuclear weapon documents he could have given/sold to Muslims.

Or does MAGALand only care about the "conservative" label in "conservative Muslim country" when describing Saudi Arabia?
 
2022-08-12 8:20:42 AM  

Weaver95: I believe the GOP response is to double down on the lies, and screaming louder.
That's it. That's their entire plan. Scream louder.
🤷‍♀


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2022-08-12 8:20:53 AM  
They could find an actual nuclear device with a bow on it and a note "To (enemy leader of your choice), love, Donnie" and Republicans still wouldn't support the search.

/refuse to call it a raid
 
2022-08-12 8:20:56 AM  
I won't say I approve of it. But like a lot of toddler butt whippings, it had to be done.
 
2022-08-12 8:21:37 AM  

Farkonaut: So what I'm hearing is 51% of the country are farking morans.

..doomed.


What I'M hearing is that nearly half the country wholeheartedly supports this search of Fat Donny's inner sanctum, and that's BEFORE we learn anything about what the Feds found.

Those numbers will increase once the Feds are able to publicly announce some of what Trump was hiding, and denying having, and repeatedly refusing to return.

What will we find that Trump stole? Nuclear secrets? Blackmail material against his political enemies? Identifying information about spies and government assets in other countries? Classified intel about America's enemies and allies?

He had access to all of America's secrets, so there's really no telling what he snatched up and snuck down to Florida with, intending for it to be his financial nest egg and his shield against future prosecution.
 
2022-08-12 8:23:07 AM  

Weaver95: I believe the GOP response is to double down on the lies, and screaming louder.
That's it. That's their entire plan. Scream louder.
🤷‍♀


Well, also run out the clock. If the Republicans can continue lies and deflections into election day 2024, they might get the presidency back (mainly thanks to voter suppression laws) and kill the investigation.
 
2022-08-12 8:27:03 AM  
That would matter except for the fact that we have the electoral college determining the presidential election, not the popular vote.

If the poll was red counties vs blue counties the raid would be overwhelmingly condemned.
 
2022-08-12 8:30:01 AM  

keldaria: I'm 101% sure somebody is rounding.


It's just the 1% getting twice as much representation
 
2022-08-12 8:30:13 AM  

bighairyguy: Weaver95: I believe the GOP response is to double down on the lies, and screaming louder.
That's it. That's their entire plan. Scream louder.
🤷‍♀

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Of all the variations of that quote, this is BY FAR the sh*ttiest. It should go:

"If the facts are on your side, pound the facts.
If the law is on your side, pound the law.
If neither the facts nor the law are on your side, pound the table."


The recurrent, dual definitional use of the word "pound" is what makes it a goddamn quote to begin with.
 
2022-08-12 8:30:29 AM  
I went down a MAGA hike this morning to see what the mouth breathers were saying.

1) IF they found stuff that's bad. BUT, the left has to prove it wasn't planted, and that TFG didn't hereby declare it declassified, and that he was gonna actually sell it.

2) because the FBI didn't show the Internet video of them finding nuclear secrets, it's all a witch hunt.
 
2022-08-12 8:31:05 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Weaver95: I believe the GOP response is to double down on the lies, and screaming louder.
That's it. That's their entire plan. Scream louder.
🤷‍♀

Well, also run out the clock. If the Republicans can continue lies and deflections into election day 2024, they might get the presidency back (mainly thanks to voter suppression laws) and kill the investigation.


Or if they can take back a chamber of congress. They'll have multiple investigations going at the same time.
 
2022-08-12 8:31:42 AM  

Weaver95: I believe the GOP response is to double down on the lies, and screaming louder.
That's it. That's their entire plan. Scream louder.
🤷‍♀


No group in the history of earth has been more persecuted than American conservatives. Just ask them, they'll tell you.
 
2022-08-12 8:32:04 AM  
You might be against the FBI search but you will find that 2 years of Trump whining about it like a little biatch will get old for you.  Especially as the truth comes out and gets harder and harder to ignore.
 
2022-08-12 8:33:45 AM  

heavymetal: Weaver95: I believe the GOP response is to double down on the lies, and screaming louder.
That's it. That's their entire plan. Scream louder.
🤷‍♀

If there are top secret files, especially ones containing nuclear and other sensitive data that could cause grave national damage, the screaming will be irrelevant. Until they can answer why he has them that is not damning, then there really is nothing they can do to spin it otherwise than malice. Not talking about the cult of course, but convincing the 60% not in the cult is all you need. The 13% can be convinced if they are bombarded with enough correct information.


Brother in Law insists, that as president, TFG needed access to those documents and it was 'behoovin' upon the National Archives to retrieve said documents.  But since the election was stolen, TFG was given dispensation to continue to review these documents because no one gets this stuff like he does.   In case Biden had questions.
 
2022-08-12 8:40:47 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: heavymetal: Weaver95: I believe the GOP response is to double down on the lies, and screaming louder.
That's it. That's their entire plan. Scream louder.
🤷‍♀

If there are top secret files, especially ones containing nuclear and other sensitive data that could cause grave national damage, the screaming will be irrelevant. Until they can answer why he has them that is not damning, then there really is nothing they can do to spin it otherwise than malice. Not talking about the cult of course, but convincing the 60% not in the cult is all you need. The 13% can be convinced if they are bombarded with enough correct information.

Brother in Law insists, that as president, TFG needed access to those documents and it was 'behoovin' upon the National Archives to retrieve said documents.  But since the election was stolen, TFG was given dispensation to continue to review these documents because no one gets this stuff like he does.   In case Biden had questions.


I honestly wonder how people can simultaneously believe things like that and still be smart enough to figure out how to put on pants.
 
2022-08-12 8:41:48 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Weaver95: I believe the GOP response is to double down on the lies, and screaming louder.
That's it. That's their entire plan. Scream louder.
🤷‍♀

Well, also run out the clock. If the Republicans can continue lies and deflections into election day 2024, they might get the presidency back (mainly thanks to voter suppression laws) and kill the investigation.


Maybe if they run DeSantis to pardon Trump. Maybe it's because it's Friday. Maybe because Garland called Trump's bluff and he wasn't keeping mementos at his club. These were nuclear documents so classified they can't be described in public record.

All I heard from my conservative friends yesterday was how it was pictures of him and people or other trinkets that they're just being so hard on him for keeping. So what if he kept a bottle of whiskey? So why did he kept some golf clubs? Who cares? That's what they were trained for. Now they are hearing real spy shiat that he's guilty of and I'm going to work to move the needle. We all have to. This is a war for the soul of the country.
 
2022-08-12 8:48:20 AM  
I have it on good authority that Hillary Clinton's buttery males and Hunter Biden's laptop were conspiring together to frame the Rosenberg's.
 
2022-08-12 8:48:42 AM  

Officer Collins: That would matter except for the fact that we have the electoral college determining the presidential election, not the popular vote.


And without fail if it comes down to the EC, it will always favor the republicans. There's no way that it can't.
 
2022-08-12 8:50:04 AM  
It doesn't matter if the records Trump had were top secret or not. The official records of the United States belong to the United States. They do not belong to people who pass through or work there. They are not souvenirs.

The official records of my office belong to my office, not the bookkeeper, not the salesmen, not the COO. They belong to the office and no one is authorized to take them.

If Trump took official records of the United States, they must be returned, top secret or not. There are statutes that mandate the disposition and storage of official government documents. If Trump is in possession of documents in violation of the statutes, they must be returned. If he won't give them back voluntarily, he has created a situation whereby agents have to go and get them.

This is very simple, It doesn't matter whether these are nuclear secrets or any other such thing.
 
2022-08-12 8:51:19 AM  
Anyone who votes republican is guilty of aiding the enemies of America, both foreign and domestic.
 
2022-08-12 8:52:57 AM  
My daughter works in a hospital, so she has a lot of long hours, and oddly enough, on her off time, she tries to avoid the news, because she has Fox News blasted at her overloud by a lot of older patients. Her impression of the raid was still colored by the Outrage Machine even still. She tends to let news settle a bit, and then sort it out later with folks she trusts, because her time is limited between school and work. I used to wonder at the folks who said that they had no idea how things have been shaking out, and she's given me a lot of new insight to how a chunk of the population operates, because they are too damn busy to weigh and filter in the same way that news junkies like myself do. It's not lack of smarts, or not caring, it's just time management and self care. She tries to avoid the cannonade and shouting from rooftops, but oddly, her first impression of a situation is the Fox version, and while she recognizes the Outrage Machine for what it is, it still works its message in the background.

At work, we've had to implement a rule for our bar: no news. Period. None. Won't show it on the screens. Closest thing is sports coverage, and that's contentious enough. We did it because older and madder folks who want their news loud and in the background tend to be the Fox News crowd, and our bartenders and waitstaff don't need that sh*t in their ears all day. Or folks with a few beers in them shouting at the TV getting angrier and angrier. Again, sports is bad enough for that, so we remove as many triggers as possible so that folks can have a drink in peace.
 
2022-08-12 8:59:48 AM  
hubiestubert:

At work, we've had to implement a rule for our bar: no news. Period. None. Won't show it on the screens. Closest thing is sports coverage, and that's contentious enough. We did it because older and madder folks who want their news loud and in the background tend to be the Fox News crowd, and our bartenders and waitstaff don't need that sh*t in their ears all day. Or folks with a few beers in them shouting at the TV getting angrier and angrier. Again, sports is bad enough for that, so we remove as many triggers as possible so that folks can have a drink in peace.

Yeah, I'd rather hear nothing than FOX news blasting while I eat. We have actually turned around at places when we see FOX blasting on the screens if there is nowhere to sit and avoid it.
 
2022-08-12 9:03:22 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: Farkonaut: So what I'm hearing is 51% of the country are farking morans.

..doomed.

What I'M hearing is that nearly half the country wholeheartedly supports this search of Fat Donny's inner sanctum, and that's BEFORE we learn anything about what the Feds found.

Those numbers will increase once the Feds are able to publicly announce some of what Trump was hiding, and denying having, and repeatedly refusing to return.

What will we find that Trump stole? Nuclear secrets? Blackmail material against his political enemies? Identifying information about spies and government assets in other countries? Classified intel about America's enemies and allies?

He had access to all of America's secrets, so there's really no telling what he snatched up and snuck down to Florida with, intending for it to be his financial nest egg and his shield against future prosecution.


I think you place too much faith in some of those 39% finally seeing reason and facts... if they haven't already....
 
2022-08-12 9:04:01 AM  

Weaver95: I believe the GOP response is to double down on the lies, and screaming louder.
That's it. That's their entire plan. Scream louder.
🤷‍♀


Well, they want to take over the country too.
That's apparent to any aware person
 
2022-08-12 9:16:15 AM  
At some point, they should make your personal opinion of Trump a personality test possibly barring you from having a security clearance.  If you adore him, it will show you are easily swayed despite evidence.  If you aggressively abhor him, it would show youre prone to hyperbolic fits.  If you deny any fault on his part, it shows you ignore facts for your own opinions.  Etc etc
 
2022-08-12 9:17:05 AM  
I'm more concerned about January 6th leaving quite a few getting parole officers  Those people seem to show up in the damndest places -- like FBI fields offices and traveling to small towns to invade city council chambers to intimidate them following the slaughter of children.

You'd think their parole officers would know not to chauffeur their charges so they could generally repeat their offenses.
 
2022-08-12 9:20:04 AM  
if these three things are true then i have to side with the trumpers on this

1. the justice department has had access to these documents for months and requested extra security on the storage location and it was followed.
2. subpoenas have already been issued and complied with for other documents.
3. Trump legal has been cooperating with the justice department from the start

If those three are true then all the justice department would have had to do to get the rest of the boxes is ask and therefore search warrant is just for political show.
 
2022-08-12 9:35:37 AM  

Spindle: At some point, they should make your personal opinion of Trump a personality test possibly barring you from having a security clearance.  If you adore him, it will show you are easily swayed despite evidence. If you aggressively abhor him, it would show youre prone to hyperbolic fits.


"Aggressively abhoring" Donald Trump is like "aggressively abhoring" Pol Pot, or Osama bin Laden, or Mohamed bin Salman. It just means you pay attention and are capable of understanding reality.
 
2022-08-12 9:37:41 AM  
What's the current line on Barron being the source that alerted the DOJ?
/or Melania
//who gets two scoops now?
 
2022-08-12 9:45:32 AM  
The FBI didn't have a raid warrant.

They had a search warrant.

jesus, let's not give them an inch let alone that whole mile.
 
2022-08-12 9:51:31 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Why the hell does it matter if people approve or disapprove of the raid?  The Lawn & Order crowd sure are hypocritical (which really isn't a surprise).


You may be under a rock but there is an event coming up in November were public perception of the raid may matter a great deal indeed.
 
2022-08-12 9:52:22 AM  

chasd00: if these three things are true then i have to side with the trumpers on this

1. the justice department has had access to these documents for months and requested extra security on the storage location and it was followed.
2. subpoenas have already been issued and complied with for other documents.
3. Trump legal has been cooperating with the justice department from the start

If those three are true then all the justice department would have had to do to get the rest of the boxes is ask and therefore search warrant is just for political show.


(1) and (3) are false and (2) is irrelevant.
 
2022-08-12 9:56:07 AM  

hubiestubert: My daughter works in a hospital, so she has a lot of long hours, and oddly enough, on her off time, she tries to avoid the news, because she has Fox News blasted at her overloud by a lot of older patients. Her impression of the raid was still colored by the Outrage Machine even still. She tends to let news settle a bit, and then sort it out later with folks she trusts, because her time is limited between school and work. I used to wonder at the folks who said that they had no idea how things have been shaking out, and she's given me a lot of new insight to how a chunk of the population operates, because they are too damn busy to weigh and filter in the same way that news junkies like myself do. It's not lack of smarts, or not caring, it's just time management and self care. She tries to avoid the cannonade and shouting from rooftops, but oddly, her first impression of a situation is the Fox version, and while she recognizes the Outrage Machine for what it is, it still works its message in the background.

At work, we've had to implement a rule for our bar: no news. Period. None. Won't show it on the screens. Closest thing is sports coverage, and that's contentious enough. We did it because older and madder folks who want their news loud and in the background tend to be the Fox News crowd, and our bartenders and waitstaff don't need that sh*t in their ears all day. Or folks with a few beers in them shouting at the TV getting angrier and angrier. Again, sports is bad enough for that, so we remove as many triggers as possible so that folks can have a drink in peace.


You may be right in that we're just busier these days.  Combine that with the sheer breadth of information and misinformation thrown at us, the lack of critical thinking skills taught at American schools, news moving into the entertainment column by media giants and a million other things and you can realize why people look for shortcuts to come to conclusions.

Of course none of that absolves them of at least applying some self-awareness like your daughter and at least attempting to try and suss the truth of any issues.  I personally can't shake the feeling that a big part of the problem we face is that people who didn't have the time or intellect to engage in complex issues at least had the self-awareness that they shouldn't opine on those issues, but should focus on Gilligan's Island or something. They might casually wave away "the system" as corrupt, but they were self-aware enough to stay out of a ballot box as well.

This is part of the shock of Trump IMHO.  Smart people looked at "the Apprentice" as a bullshiat diversion, assuming anyone who watched that show probably did so ironically. There is no better example of the Revolution of the Dumb than the fact millions of folks supported Trump based on the character he played on a fake reality show.

If these folks would go back to not voting because they know they can't engage enough to make an informed choice we'd all be much, much better off.
 
2022-08-12 10:02:47 AM  
" where their pants went  "

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