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2022-08-11 7:25:20 PM  
Good
 
2022-08-11 7:30:20 PM  
Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.
 
2022-08-11 7:35:03 PM  

Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.


Your phone doesn't come out or ring during class. Zero tolerance. If it does you bring it to the principal's office and retrieve it at the end of the day.
 
2022-08-11 7:46:00 PM  

Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.


The school knows exactly how to contact family if need be.
 
2022-08-11 8:55:22 PM  
Subby, the real "difficulty" is that it is Fresno.

Also, as the article points out, the real reason may be because of the klan hood incident that was captured by a student's phone.
 
2022-08-11 8:57:51 PM  
This used to be school policy 20 years or so ago.

And I rem a guy started a business parked in a van outside school. He charged kids adollar a day to store the phone, and gave them access to phone at lunchtime
 
2022-08-11 10:09:18 PM  
How are they going to call family during the inevitable mass shouting?
 
2022-08-11 10:09:39 PM  
>click<

Fresno. Well, it's the part of California that's Florida, so...
 
2022-08-11 10:10:18 PM  
How are they supposed to call tor help when the school shooter shows up?

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2022-08-11 10:10:38 PM  
Good ban.
Not like the cops would do anything if they used it to call in the event of a massacre.
 
2022-08-11 10:11:21 PM  
Fresno?  More like FresYES!  Or perhaps Fresnomorecellphonesinhighschoolforu?
 
2022-08-11 10:12:01 PM  

Exluddite: Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.

Your phone doesn't come out or ring during class. Zero tolerance. If it does you bring it to the principal's office and retrieve it at the end of the day.


This. I wonder how many stupid lawsuits schools and teachers have lost to asshole parents and predatory lawyers claiming that kids have a "right" to have their cellphone and it is a breach of privacy or some bullshiat so now schools and teachers either cannot or are unwilling to enforce policy for fear of retribution. This seems to be the root cause of pretty much every issue where schools and teachers have lost the authority they need to act as surrogate parents while the child is in their care. It must be such a shock that teachers are leaving in droves and future teachers are declining in numbers.
 
2022-08-11 10:13:35 PM  
"Some at the Fresno high school believe the new cell phone ban is an effort to further silence students who record racist or other harmful conduct carried out on campus, "

There doing the same thing in Texas.
 
2022-08-11 10:14:59 PM  

Loucifer: How are they going to call family during the inevitable mass shouting?


As a parent who has received the panicked phone calls during a lockdown, just have them keep their phones out away during class.  These lock downs happen more than you would ever guess.  The school tells them nothing.  It's all blind panic.  Screw those guys.
 
2022-08-11 10:15:52 PM  

Exluddite: Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.

Your phone doesn't come out or ring during class. Zero tolerance. If it does you bring it to the principal's office and retrieve it at the end of the day.


Zero tolerance for someone calling THEM?  Ok...
 
2022-08-11 10:17:04 PM  
Beyond the "but what if there is a school shooting?" concern, this is a very sound idea.

In fact most people have no idea that there were hundreds of years where kids didn't bring cell phones to school.
 
2022-08-11 10:20:20 PM  
It's about damn time. Broken record was about to give up.

It's not as good a solution as having common-sense rules and background checks the law of the land for owning these devices of power that grant instant stardom to the insane but it's a start.

No one needs to own them. You have no granted right to own them. It's a privilege and should be treated as such. Let's fix this craziness people.
 
2022-08-11 10:20:30 PM  

mcsiegs: Zero tolerance for someone calling THEM?  Ok...


You can magically make it so that your phone doesn't ring when people call you.  And you don't have to take out your phone if you get a call.
 
2022-08-11 10:25:12 PM  

Exluddite: Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.

Your phone doesn't come out or ring during class. Zero tolerance. If it does you bring it to the principal's office and retrieve it at the end of the day.


That sounds great until faculty are inundated with angry parent's complaints because little johnny's $1200 cell phone has a new scratch in the screen.
 
2022-08-11 10:27:44 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Exluddite: Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.

Your phone doesn't come out or ring during class. Zero tolerance. If it does you bring it to the principal's office and retrieve it at the end of the day.

This. I wonder how many stupid lawsuits schools and teachers have lost to asshole parents and predatory lawyers claiming that kids have a "right" to have their cellphone and it is a breach of privacy or some bullshiat so now schools and teachers either cannot or are unwilling to enforce policy for fear of retribution. This seems to be the root cause of pretty much every issue where schools and teachers have lost the authority they need to act as surrogate parents while the child is in their care. It must be such a shock that teachers are leaving in droves and future teachers are declining in numbers.


Sadly, US public schools are unsafe. And the courts have ruled they have no duty to protect the children, beyond not being criminal negligent.

In 2018, a judge in Connecticut threw out claims filed by the parents of two victims of the 2012 Sandy Hook massacre, in which 20 first graders and six adults were killed. The judge concluded the school district was immune from such lawsuits.

As such, cellphones are vitally important safety devices.
 
2022-08-11 10:28:26 PM  
farking good.
 
2022-08-11 10:29:36 PM  
The content couldn't have been created without a cell phone. Digital Camera? Who has one of those laying around anymore. Besides it's far too many steps to post the image, most teens would lose interest if they had to use a digital camera. No cell phones at school for students is a great idea. It's just a distraction and offers no benefit.
Teachers and support staff will still have them, they can call in the school shooting when the inevitable happens.
 
2022-08-11 10:29:58 PM  
Faraday bags are common in high schools here in Silicon Valley.  First period teachers lock them, final period teachers unlock them.  It's done on an honor system but with severe punishments if caught.  I think it's done more for privacy reasons (camera/video) than distraction reasons.  As a parent, I don't have a problem with the rule
 
2022-08-11 10:30:25 PM  
but can they bring guns?
 
2022-08-11 10:31:29 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Exluddite: Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.

Your phone doesn't come out or ring during class. Zero tolerance. If it does you bring it to the principal's office and retrieve it at the end of the day.

This. I wonder how many stupid lawsuits schools and teachers have lost to asshole parents and predatory lawyers claiming that kids have a "right" to have their cellphone and it is a breach of privacy or some bullshiat so now schools and teachers either cannot or are unwilling to enforce policy for fear of retribution. This seems to be the root cause of pretty much every issue where schools and teachers have lost the authority they need to act as surrogate parents while the child is in their care. It must be such a shock that teachers are leaving in droves and future teachers are declining in numbers.


Yeah it's completely baffeling that any parent that isn't an enemy would have any problem with education that indebtedness is good and that they are at fault for past social crimes of people without relation to them. It's totally their responsibility to accept that they need to work away the majority of their life to enrich others because they are told to and that's the rules made by those that rule them.

It's not your life or their life. Your snowflake was put into existence by your betters and they demand you work for them. This isn't hard to understand folks. It's quite basic.

Why do we need to keep rehashing this?
 
2022-08-11 10:32:46 PM  
Children in China are to be banned from using their phones in school, the Ministry of Education has ruled. Pupils will not be allowed to bring mobiles to school without written parental consent.

Damn California commies!
 
2022-08-11 10:33:09 PM  
This is going to put a serious dent in the incomes of the students who are dealing drugs They may need to sue the school
 
2022-08-11 10:35:37 PM  
My children are now 21 and 17 so I have lived through changing cell phone policies in school over the years. It is somewhat crazy, yet interesting, seeing policies change over the last 10-15 years as children having cell phones went from rare, to over cautious parents, to dumb phones and now to smart phones.

When the now 21 year old started middle school 8 years or so ago there was a very strict cell phone policy, phones had to stay in lockers. As the years went on that evolved to where they could carry phones but remain on silent. Now the 17 year old texts me during the day to ask me questions/permissions or whether she can stay after school for something.
 
2022-08-11 10:36:15 PM  
California is a farking farce.
 
2022-08-11 10:37:46 PM  
High school 80-84 had a smoking area with a cig machine --- mix yer weed and tobacco or soak yer tobbacco in coke and ether
 
2022-08-11 10:38:08 PM  
Fark yes.

The information those phones get about those kids is going to make any form of democracy really really farking unlikely in about 20 years.
 
2022-08-11 10:39:35 PM  

Naido: Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.

The school knows exactly how to contact family if need be.


If the school can.  If the shiat's really hit the fan that may be GFL as they're all hiding as well.  Let them have phones, silent mode/kids don't do messages other than recess or lunch or whatever.  If they do ring in class 'cause it's a call from someone on their "can break DND" list, or they get a message that they feel compelled to deal with, they explain what it was to the teacher/principal and the adults decide whether that warranted in-class use.  Or if it's a holy shiat emergency ala my previous shiat hitting the fan example, no one's gonna care anyway.  How it works in a kid's class I know - at first they had to deal with a lot of, "You farked up, you don't get to bring a phone for 2 weeks" or whatever, within a month that died down into, "Almost never" for disruption issues and it's fine.  High school level

/the only serious downside I heard about was when an Emergency Broadcast System test or an Amber Alert would come through and force everyone's phones to be noisy
//but since that's not anyone's fault they just wait a sec for it to beep, check real quick (which they're allowed to do in that case, it might well be relevant info) - and then move on
///it's worked so far for 3 years
 
2022-08-11 10:39:57 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: the money is in the banana stand: Exluddite: Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.

Your phone doesn't come out or ring during class. Zero tolerance. If it does you bring it to the principal's office and retrieve it at the end of the day.

This. I wonder how many stupid lawsuits schools and teachers have lost to asshole parents and predatory lawyers claiming that kids have a "right" to have their cellphone and it is a breach of privacy or some bullshiat so now schools and teachers either cannot or are unwilling to enforce policy for fear of retribution. This seems to be the root cause of pretty much every issue where schools and teachers have lost the authority they need to act as surrogate parents while the child is in their care. It must be such a shock that teachers are leaving in droves and future teachers are declining in numbers.

Yeah it's completely baffeling that any parent that isn't an enemy would have any problem with education that indebtedness is good and that they are at fault for past social crimes of people without relation to them. It's totally their responsibility to accept that they need to work away the majority of their life to enrich others because they are told to and that's the rules made by those that rule them.

It's not your life or their life. Your snowflake was put into existence by your betters and they demand you work for them. This isn't hard to understand folks. It's quite basic.

Why do we need to keep rehashing this?


What the fark are you smoking? I have zero idea what you are trying to communicate.
 
2022-08-11 10:42:35 PM  

maxandgrinch: How are they supposed to call tor help when the school shooter shows up?

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That fake news everyone mocks Trump about?  That picture is fake news.  Fake-ity fake fake.  Pixels and such.
 
2022-08-11 10:42:53 PM  
Yet another article in the fine tradition of "liberal" MSNBC reprinting articles from RWNJ sites.
 
2022-08-11 10:43:42 PM  

SumoJeb: Exluddite: Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.

Your phone doesn't come out or ring during class. Zero tolerance. If it does you bring it to the principal's office and retrieve it at the end of the day.

That sounds great until faculty are inundated with angry parent's complaints because little johnny's $1200 cell phone has a new scratch in the screen.


It was the rule when my kid was in school.  It works.

Then at the end of class the teacher says "your homework is on the board.  Take a picture of it.  See you all tomorrow."
 
2022-08-11 10:43:44 PM  

Exluddite: Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.

Your phone doesn't come out or ring during class. Zero tolerance. If it does you bring it to the principal's office and retrieve it at the end of the day.


My kid just started High School, one of the teachers has a board/shelf system set up and they take attendance by the kids putting the cellphone in their designated slot during class.
 
2022-08-11 10:44:11 PM  
I'm 60 years old and have only had a smartphone for a year and I am so addicted.

I see what it's doing to society and I like so much of the connectivity but also see the personal disconnection.

It's a conundrum and I don't pretend to know the answer.
 
2022-08-11 10:44:37 PM  

Death by Spaghettification: Loucifer: How are they going to call family during the inevitable mass shouting?

As a parent who has received the panicked phone calls during a lockdown, just have them keep their phones out away during class.  These lock downs happen more than you would ever guess.  The school tells them nothing.  It's all blind panic.  Screw those guys.


Seriously you don't get an email and text message when there is a lockdown? You don't get an email days in advance for a drill?

How incompetent is your school?

Kids don't need cell phones at school.
 
2022-08-11 10:46:33 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: the money is in the banana stand: Exluddite: Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.

Your phone doesn't come out or ring during class. Zero tolerance. If it does you bring it to the principal's office and retrieve it at the end of the day.

This. I wonder how many stupid lawsuits schools and teachers have lost to asshole parents and predatory lawyers claiming that kids have a "right" to have their cellphone and it is a breach of privacy or some bullshiat so now schools and teachers either cannot or are unwilling to enforce policy for fear of retribution. This seems to be the root cause of pretty much every issue where schools and teachers have lost the authority they need to act as surrogate parents while the child is in their care. It must be such a shock that teachers are leaving in droves and future teachers are declining in numbers.

Sadly, US public schools are unsafe. And the courts have ruled they have no duty to protect the children, beyond not being criminal negligent.

In 2018, a judge in Connecticut threw out claims filed by the parents of two victims of the 2012 Sandy Hook massacre, in which 20 first graders and six adults were killed. The judge concluded the school district was immune from such lawsuits.

As such, cellphones are vitally important safety devices.


Government agencies have always been immune. More at 11.
 
2022-08-11 10:47:50 PM  
Most districts already have an electronics policy. It's just a royal pain in the ass to enforce.
 
2022-08-11 10:48:10 PM  

Naido: Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.

The school knows exactly how to contact family if need be.


 "cell phones are often parents only line of communication with their children and children's best way to seek outside help."

This is why kids are having trouble with decision making and independence.  The slightest issue and it's text someone for an answer.  Somehow we managed to get hundreds of years worth of students through school without cell phones.

The texts from my 16 year old kid in all AP classes go like this.

Her: Omg come pick me up I totally failed a test, my stomach hurts and I can't go on.

Me:  no

Her: I'm going to the nurse, I failed I failed, MIT is over.

Me: I'm blocking you until you get home

Her when she gets home:  I got a 107 on the test

me: 🤯

No need for any of that.  I'm scheduling blocking her during school hours.  1 more year to college and no more mom and dad saftey net.
 
2022-08-11 10:48:57 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Subby, the real "difficulty" is that it is Fresno.

Also, as the article points out, the real reason may be because of the klan hood incident that was captured by a student's phone.


Beat me to it.
 
2022-08-11 10:49:17 PM  
I'm not seeing the problem.
 
2022-08-11 10:51:17 PM  

delathi: Exluddite: Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.

Your phone doesn't come out or ring during class. Zero tolerance. If it does you bring it to the principal's office and retrieve it at the end of the day.

My kid just started High School, one of the teachers has a board/shelf system set up and they take attendance by the kids putting the cellphone in their designated slot during class.


I'm sure that would work for all of...a day... Before everyone realizes....

1 - old phones look exactly like new ones

2 - it isn't reliable because anyone can put in an extra phone to cover for their friend.

I have drawer of old phones.
 
2022-08-11 10:52:11 PM  

Bootleg: Hmm. On the one hand, cool, kids should be focusing on school things instead of their phones. On the other hand, having a cellphone available so they can contact family or friends before/after school can be useful (Not to mention emergencies during school). They make cellphone lockers, but I see that becoming a pain for the students at rush times and a target for destruction... I don't know what the best solution would be.


???????? They can only bust you if you have it out.
 
2022-08-11 10:52:24 PM  

bobbyjoebobby: Death by Spaghettification: Loucifer: How are they going to call family during the inevitable mass shouting?

As a parent who has received the panicked phone calls during a lockdown, just have them keep their phones out away during class.  These lock downs happen more than you would ever guess.  The school tells them nothing.  It's all blind panic.  Screw those guys.

Seriously you don't get an email and text message when there is a lockdown? You don't get an email days in advance for a drill?

How incompetent is your school?

Kids don't need cell phones at school.


Somehow we made it through school without cell phones, and I grew up in the height of gang violence. My first day of class was an all out gang fight outside the busses where 2 rival gangs got into a major brawl and someone got shot. I've been shot at. I've seen kids get stabbed. We would have bomb threats called in regularly during finals so kids would get out of them. Any early dismisal day was on the calendar a month in advance easily. Fire drills don't require you to call your parents nor do any other lock downs. I won't argue at the benefit of kids having them, they should just never ever come out during class. I would even argue they shouldn't have then during lunch or recess/PE.
 
2022-08-11 10:52:37 PM  
Why is it a "fail"?

And why would subby think we would assume Florida or Texas?

I think kids need cell phones. We no longer have pay phones, and lots of businesses are less willing to let you use their landline, assuming they even have one. But I don't 100% disagree with this. I think it would be better if they had some kjnd of locker requirement, some way they could have the phone outside of school, but have it be completely unusable while AT school...

My stepson as a teenager actually got his phone taken away (And almost hit his teacher when she took it) precisely because he was using it at school, and I was fine with it. It's the only trouble he ever got in, he was staying up chatting all night with some girl on the other end of the country, and either falling asleep in class or continuing to text her.

Take the phones away while they're in school, 100%.
 
2022-08-11 10:53:24 PM  

Death by Spaghettification: Loucifer: How are they going to call family during the inevitable mass shouting?

As a parent who has received the panicked phone calls during a lockdown, just have them keep their phones out away during class.  These lock downs happen more than you would ever guess.  The school tells them nothing.  It's all blind panic.  Screw those guys.


Maybe move?    We have had 1 lock down in 12 years when a nearby bank was robbed.
A kid having an allergic reaction is about the most exciting thing that happen around here.

If your having multiple lock downs it's time to relocate for saftey.
 
2022-08-11 10:54:46 PM  
Rich kids get wearables; Poors get kevlar pencil holders.
 
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