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2022-08-11 6:40:18 AM  
Warner/Discovery's new CEO lays it all out:
TDK 1080p Do I really look like a guy with a plan?
Youtube dZM1g5EGUv4
 
2022-08-11 8:33:57 AM  
It's almost as bad as Universal's repeated attempts at their shared Monster-verse.  Every few years or so, they try to launch a new movie based on the classic monsters and declare how it's the start of a massive shared universe.  Every time, the movie itself ends up bombing and they're left torching the remainder of their grand plan.
 
2022-08-11 8:35:57 AM  
The tantrums being thrown over this are epic. They put the outrage over #releasethesnydercut to shame.
 
2022-08-11 8:45:25 AM  
WB gets frustrated, clown CEO sells DC Entertainment to Disney. Ten years from now after a series of successful introduction and establishing movies, Justice League/Avengers part 1 breaks all box office records.
 
2022-08-11 8:45:54 AM  
I don't know if I should envy or pity the new CEO. He already has a shamble at his feet. The old plan is broken, and no one has confidence the company can right the ship. But there is an amazing level of upside potential if they can pull it off.

He gets crap for wanting to change things but can't continue the current drunken bar crawl that is their path to a successful live action not Batman franchise.

And their best resource for market research is to tally up twitterbots.
 
2022-08-11 8:48:59 AM  

NeoCortex42: It's almost as bad as Universal's repeated attempts at their shared Monster-verse.


The problem there is that the Universal monsters are lame. Dracula is played out as anything can be played out. The mummy, they made a couple good Indiana Jones wannabe flicks with Brenden Fraser but they drove that into the ground. Frankenstein and the creature from the black lagoon are just guys in makeup/a rubber costume with no powers. The wolf man they could do something with but like Dracula, it's already been done to death.
 
2022-08-11 9:01:54 AM  

shabu: I don't know if I should envy or pity the new CEO. He already has a shamble at his feet. The old plan is broken, and no one has confidence the company can right the ship. But there is an amazing level of upside potential if they can pull it off.

He gets crap for wanting to change things but can't continue the current drunken bar crawl that is their path to a successful live action not Batman franchise.

And their best resource for market research is to tally up twitterbots.


Throwing shiat at the wall to see what sticks isn't really what I'd call a "plan"

It's been said ad nauseum that their animated team has shown success. Put Timm/Dini as creative directors and let them take charge. WB executives need to stay the fark out of constantly meddling.

Marvel is not the reason the DCEU failed. It never was allowed any risks to even try and got squashed. Now they're running around trying to reuse bits and pieces, and it's pissing off their fans.

And release Batgirl already, DC.
 
2022-08-11 9:03:31 AM  
I'm so glad Gaiman was able to wrangle creative control of Sandman before this whole shiatshow.
 
2022-08-11 9:11:00 AM  

Mugato: NeoCortex42: It's almost as bad as Universal's repeated attempts at their shared Monster-verse.

The problem there is that the Universal monsters are lame. Dracula is played out as anything can be played out. The mummy, they made a couple good Indiana Jones wannabe flicks with Brenden Fraser but they drove that into the ground. Frankenstein and the creature from the black lagoon are just guys in makeup/a rubber costume with no powers. The wolf man they could do something with but like Dracula, it's already been done to death.


There's plenty of room to reinvent a classic creature if the right person with the right idea comes around.  It's about the story.  Get a good story or take on it, and it can work just fine.  Dracula Untold and Tom Cruise's Mummy recent attempts were objectively bad.  The Benicio del Toro Wolfman attempt was alright, but not good enough to lay the foundation of a franchise.
 
2022-08-11 9:12:21 AM  

NeoCortex42: It's almost as bad as Universal's repeated attempts at their shared Monster-verse.  Every few years or so, they try to launch a new movie based on the classic monsters and declare how it's the start of a massive shared universe.  Every time, the movie itself ends up bombing and they're left torching the remainder of their grand plan.


I feel like the movie What We Do In the Shadows has been more successful at setting up a cinematic and television shared universe.

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2022-08-11 9:14:03 AM  

NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: It's almost as bad as Universal's repeated attempts at their shared Monster-verse.

The problem there is that the Universal monsters are lame. Dracula is played out as anything can be played out. The mummy, they made a couple good Indiana Jones wannabe flicks with Brenden Fraser but they drove that into the ground. Frankenstein and the creature from the black lagoon are just guys in makeup/a rubber costume with no powers. The wolf man they could do something with but like Dracula, it's already been done to death.

There's plenty of room to reinvent a classic creature if the right person with the right idea comes around.  It's about the story.  Get a good story or take on it, and it can work just fine.  Dracula Untold and Tom Cruise's Mummy recent attempts were objectively bad.  The Benicio del Toro Wolfman attempt was alright, but not good enough to lay the foundation of a franchise.


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2022-08-11 9:19:10 AM  
Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9juReoJxI0

Part 2, queued up to the relevant part about WB:
BATMAN V SUPERMAN: REALLY THAT BAD - Part II
Youtube A8BPzCvrxLY


Part 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwxDLdXALc
 
2022-08-11 9:26:28 AM  

Boojum2k: WB gets frustrated, clown CEO sells DC Entertainment to Disney. Ten years from now after a series of successful introduction and establishing movies, Justice League/Avengers part 1 breaks all box office records.


That will never happen.

DC is too big of an IP for WB.

And the government wouldn't allow it.
 
2022-08-11 9:28:00 AM  
Since we're talking about potential shared movie universes; the one that seems obvious, but it doesn't seem like anyone realizes it, is a Disney Princess shared universe. Tell me a movie where Elsa and Anna adventure with Rapunzel* or (somehow) Moana wouldn't make a gazillion dollars if done even halfway well. And the combos are (almost) endless. They could still make solo movies with the characters if they wanted. And the weird part is they already seemed to have shot the wad on it for a one-off scene in the Wreck-It Ralph sequel.

There has to be a reason this isn't happening already, and I'm just not thinking of it. Because I can't imagine I thought of this but some Disney executive hasn't

*I know they've been in the background of each others' movies but I'm talking about real interaction
 
2022-08-11 9:33:42 AM  

sorceror: Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9juReoJxI0

Part 2, queued up to the relevant part about WB:
[YouTube video: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: REALLY THAT BAD - Part II]

Part 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwxDLdXALc


The Ultimate version is far superior to the theatrical cut.


That being said: if you aren't onboard with the premise of deconstruction of both Superman and Batman, then you aren't gonna like Snyder's take.
 
2022-08-11 9:34:07 AM  
NeoCortex42:

The mummy reboot would have worked if tom cruise wasn't involved.

When he comes on board it's about the stunts first.

When for a shared universe, the stunts should service the story. And Horry is more about practical effects & tension.
 
2022-08-11 9:42:06 AM  

NeoCortex42: Dracula Untold and Tom Cruise's Mummy recent attempts were objectively bad. The Benicio del Toro Wolfman attempt was alright, but not good enough to lay the foundation of a franchise.


I thought Dracula (1992) was great. Gary Oldman was awesome as usual. Keanu and Winona Ryder were terrible but in a charming way. It was a little over-stylized but in a cool way.

Anyway, the bottom line is that they've all been done to death. Then again so have Batman and Superman and that's not going to stop.
 
2022-08-11 9:45:08 AM  
well some studios seem to do film series and expanded universes pretty successfully
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2022-08-11 9:45:16 AM  

Mugato: NeoCortex42: Dracula Untold and Tom Cruise's Mummy recent attempts were objectively bad. The Benicio del Toro Wolfman attempt was alright, but not good enough to lay the foundation of a franchise.

I thought Dracula (1992) was great. Gary Oldman was awesome as usual. Keanu and Winona Ryder were terrible but in a charming way. It was a little over-stylized but in a cool way.

Anyway, the bottom line is that they've all been done to death. Then again so have Batman and Superman and that's not going to stop.


Dracula was a great movie.  Dracula Untold was the one a few years back that was supposed to start a Universal Horror universe and was an absolute bomb at the box office.
 
2022-08-11 9:46:18 AM  
I think the long term plan has been very clear in Batman.

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2022-08-11 9:50:42 AM  
Darth_Lukecash:The Ultimate version is far superior to the theatrical cut.

Addressed in other parts of the videos, e.g.:
BATMAN V SUPERMAN: REALLY THAT BAD - Part II
Youtube A8BPzCvrxLY


That being said: if you aren't onboard with the premise of deconstruction of both Superman and Batman, then you aren't gonna like Snyder's take.


It's possible to do a bad deconstruction, tho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwxDLdXALc&t=1050s
 
2022-08-11 9:54:16 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I think the long term plan has been very clear in Batman.

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That's a little disingenuous

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1997

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2022-08-11 10:01:06 AM  

NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: It's almost as bad as Universal's repeated attempts at their shared Monster-verse.

The problem there is that the Universal monsters are lame. Dracula is played out as anything can be played out. The mummy, they made a couple good Indiana Jones wannabe flicks with Brenden Fraser but they drove that into the ground. Frankenstein and the creature from the black lagoon are just guys in makeup/a rubber costume with no powers. The wolf man they could do something with but like Dracula, it's already been done to death.

There's plenty of room to reinvent a classic creature if the right person with the right idea comes around.  It's about the story.  Get a good story or take on it, and it can work just fine.  Dracula Untold and Tom Cruise's Mummy recent attempts were objectively bad.  The Benicio del Toro Wolfman attempt was alright, but not good enough to lay the foundation of a franchise.


The Invisible Man one was pretty much garbage
 
2022-08-11 10:09:28 AM  

shabu: I don't know if I should envy or pity the new CEO. He already has a shamble at his feet. The old plan is broken, and no one has confidence the company can right the ship. But there is an amazing level of upside potential if they can pull it off.

He gets crap for wanting to change things but can't continue the current drunken bar crawl that is their path to a successful live action not Batman franchise.

And their best resource for market research is to tally up twitterbots.


Shazam was fun.  Wonder Woman I was imperfect but pretty good, and while II sucked it didn't do anything that needs to be erased from memory.

This is best achieved (for the fans who care about continuity) with a Flashpoint movie where Barry screws up the timeline.  Eliminate the failures, keep the successes, build from there.

After that, they need a Christopher Reeve style Superman movie to change course from the grimdark, then they can carry on.
 
2022-08-11 10:09:59 AM  
That's what we call "flailing."
 
2022-08-11 10:27:59 AM  

Fano: The Invisible Man one was pretty much garbage


Kevin Bacon or Chevy Chase?
 
2022-08-11 10:29:42 AM  
I've said it for nearly a decade now:  Man of Steel was not the right movie to build a shared universe around.

The slow-motion train wreck we are watching all started with that one bad decision.
 
2022-08-11 10:31:42 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: sorceror: Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9juReoJxI0

Part 2, queued up to the relevant part about WB:
[YouTube video: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: REALLY THAT BAD - Part II]

Part 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwxDLdXALc

The Ultimate version is far superior to the theatrical cut.


That being said: if you aren't onboard with the premise of deconstruction of both Superman and Batman, then you aren't gonna like Snyder's take.


Part of the problem with Snyder's take is that it isn't really a deconstruction of the characters or tropes (a la Watchmen or The Boys or any number of other properties). His take is more or less a straight mythic adaptation of the heroes that mutes their more noble traits and makes them a bit more cynical. But they're still depicted as heroes. His movies make a few feints at deconstruction of the genre, but they don't actually follow through on that in any meaningful way, and it's not clear WB would ever allow that with the main characters. That lack of commitment is part of what makes those movies so tonally murky.
 
2022-08-11 10:53:11 AM  

NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: It's almost as bad as Universal's repeated attempts at their shared Monster-verse.

The problem there is that the Universal monsters are lame. Dracula is played out as anything can be played out. The mummy, they made a couple good Indiana Jones wannabe flicks with Brenden Fraser but they drove that into the ground. Frankenstein and the creature from the black lagoon are just guys in makeup/a rubber costume with no powers. The wolf man they could do something with but like Dracula, it's already been done to death.

There's plenty of room to reinvent a classic creature if the right person with the right idea comes around.  It's about the story.  Get a good story or take on it, and it can work just fine.  Dracula Untold and Tom Cruise's Mummy recent attempts were objectively bad.  The Benicio del Toro Wolfman attempt was alright, but not good enough to lay the foundation of a franchise.


Those monsters are about as exciting as a piece of gum that's already been chewed all day. Mugato's right - they've been being done to death since before most of us were even born. They were our grandparents' stories. The dead horse is just a vague red smear now.

And for me Tarzan, the Knights of the Round Table, Robin Hood, and Sherlock Holmes are all on that same list. Old, generally public domain, stuff which have had so many retellings by now that they're all just noise.
 
2022-08-11 11:01:09 AM  

Mugato: Fano: The Invisible Man one was pretty much garbage

Kevin Bacon or Chevy Chase?


The Invisible Man - Official Trailer [HD]
Youtube dSBsNeYqh-k

The trailers tended to get rid of any mystery
 
2022-08-11 11:03:45 AM  

mongbiohazard: NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: It's almost as bad as Universal's repeated attempts at their shared Monster-verse.

The problem there is that the Universal monsters are lame. Dracula is played out as anything can be played out. The mummy, they made a couple good Indiana Jones wannabe flicks with Brenden Fraser but they drove that into the ground. Frankenstein and the creature from the black lagoon are just guys in makeup/a rubber costume with no powers. The wolf man they could do something with but like Dracula, it's already been done to death.

There's plenty of room to reinvent a classic creature if the right person with the right idea comes around.  It's about the story.  Get a good story or take on it, and it can work just fine.  Dracula Untold and Tom Cruise's Mummy recent attempts were objectively bad.  The Benicio del Toro Wolfman attempt was alright, but not good enough to lay the foundation of a franchise.

Those monsters are about as exciting as a piece of gum that's already been chewed all day. Mugato's right - they've been being done to death since before most of us were even born. They were our grandparents' stories. The dead horse is just a vague red smear now.

And for me Tarzan, the Knights of the Round Table, Robin Hood, and Sherlock Holmes are all on that same list. Old, generally public domain, stuff which have had so many retellings by now that they're all just noise.


After Excalibur there's not much point in making a King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table movie. Nowhere to go but down.
 
2022-08-11 11:06:02 AM  

Boojum2k: mongbiohazard: NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: It's almost as bad as Universal's repeated attempts at their shared Monster-verse.

The problem there is that the Universal monsters are lame. Dracula is played out as anything can be played out. The mummy, they made a couple good Indiana Jones wannabe flicks with Brenden Fraser but they drove that into the ground. Frankenstein and the creature from the black lagoon are just guys in makeup/a rubber costume with no powers. The wolf man they could do something with but like Dracula, it's already been done to death.

There's plenty of room to reinvent a classic creature if the right person with the right idea comes around.  It's about the story.  Get a good story or take on it, and it can work just fine.  Dracula Untold and Tom Cruise's Mummy recent attempts were objectively bad.  The Benicio del Toro Wolfman attempt was alright, but not good enough to lay the foundation of a franchise.

Those monsters are about as exciting as a piece of gum that's already been chewed all day. Mugato's right - they've been being done to death since before most of us were even born. They were our grandparents' stories. The dead horse is just a vague red smear now.

And for me Tarzan, the Knights of the Round Table, Robin Hood, and Sherlock Holmes are all on that same list. Old, generally public domain, stuff which have had so many retellings by now that they're all just noise.

After Excalibur there's not much point in making a King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table movie. Nowhere to go but down.


Counterpoint: The Green Knight
 
2022-08-11 11:06:43 AM  

mongbiohazard: NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: It's almost as bad as Universal's repeated attempts at their shared Monster-verse.

The problem there is that the Universal monsters are lame. Dracula is played out as anything can be played out. The mummy, they made a couple good Indiana Jones wannabe flicks with Brenden Fraser but they drove that into the ground. Frankenstein and the creature from the black lagoon are just guys in makeup/a rubber costume with no powers. The wolf man they could do something with but like Dracula, it's already been done to death.

There's plenty of room to reinvent a classic creature if the right person with the right idea comes around.  It's about the story.  Get a good story or take on it, and it can work just fine.  Dracula Untold and Tom Cruise's Mummy recent attempts were objectively bad.  The Benicio del Toro Wolfman attempt was alright, but not good enough to lay the foundation of a franchise.

Those monsters are about as exciting as a piece of gum that's already been chewed all day. Mugato's right - they've been being done to death since before most of us were even born. They were our grandparents' stories. The dead horse is just a vague red smear now.

And for me Tarzan, the Knights of the Round Table, Robin Hood, and Sherlock Holmes are all on that same list. Old, generally public domain, stuff which have had so many retellings by now that they're all just noise.


In fact, I've started to think maybe eternal copyright isn't necessarily a bad thing. When was the last good Frankenstein movie? The last good Robin Hood movie? The last good King Arthur movie? They are all DECADES old. The only way to make them good it to refresh and mix and match elements so much that they are legally distinguishable from the originals. Otherwise every Dracula movie is essentially the stations of the cross with some old producer yadda yadding through all the standard stuff.
 
2022-08-11 11:21:19 AM  

Mugato: NeoCortex42: It's almost as bad as Universal's repeated attempts at their shared Monster-verse.

The problem there is that the Universal monsters are lame. Dracula is played out as anything can be played out. The mummy, they made a couple good Indiana Jones wannabe flicks with Brenden Fraser but they drove that into the ground. Frankenstein and the creature from the black lagoon are just guys in makeup/a rubber costume with no powers. The wolf man they could do something with but like Dracula, it's already been done to death.


Also, a 35 year old movie - Monster Squad - already did the Dark Universe better than Universal could do.
 
2022-08-11 11:23:15 AM  

shabu: I don't know if I should envy or pity the new CEO. He already has a shamble at his feet. The old plan is broken, and no one has confidence the company can right the ship. But there is an amazing level of upside potential if they can pull it off.

He gets crap for wanting to change things but can't continue the current drunken bar crawl that is their path to a successful live action not Batman franchise.

And their best resource for market research is to tally up twitterbots.


Neither. The guy's a major asshole who hates women-led projects.
 
2022-08-11 11:27:21 AM  

Fano: Mugato: Fano: The Invisible Man one was pretty much garbage

Kevin Bacon or Chevy Chase?

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The trailers tended to get rid of any mystery


I feel like I've seen the whole movie. I liked the Chevy Chase one better.

Fano: When was the last good Frankenstein movie? The last good Robin Hood movie? The last good King Arthur movie?


The Robert DeNiro Frankenstein wasn't good but the Frankenstein-ed Helena Bonham Carter freaked me out and I don't freak out easily by movies.

I'm not sure I've ever seen  a King Arthur movie.

I'm going to catch shiat for this but I liked the 1991 Robin Hood. No, Kevin Costner didn't have an English accent but the aforementioned Dracula movie shows what can happen when you force American actors to try English accents.
 
2022-08-11 11:27:35 AM  

mongbiohazard: Those monsters are about as exciting as a piece of gum that's already been chewed all day. Mugato's right - they've been being done to death since before most of us were even born. They were our grandparents' stories. The dead horse is just a vague red smear now.

And for me Tarzan, the Knights of the Round Table, Robin Hood, and Sherlock Holmes are all on that same list. Old, generally public domain, stuff which have had so many retellings by now that they're all just noise.


Hardcore agree.

I feel like the classic monster stuff could maybe, possibly work if they took a modern horror approach to it. Use movies like Hereditary or The Green Knight or The VVitch as a template. Slow, methodical, atmospheric. Lean into the folk elements of the time period. Give the villains some buildup and some real dread.

Those classic monster characters and their environments have to be HORROR, not quippy action/comedy where every 10 minutes the characters have to run from a big CGI blur.
 
2022-08-11 11:41:44 AM  

bluenote13: Mugato: NeoCortex42: It's almost as bad as Universal's repeated attempts at their shared Monster-verse.

The problem there is that the Universal monsters are lame. Dracula is played out as anything can be played out. The mummy, they made a couple good Indiana Jones wannabe flicks with Brenden Fraser but they drove that into the ground. Frankenstein and the creature from the black lagoon are just guys in makeup/a rubber costume with no powers. The wolf man they could do something with but like Dracula, it's already been done to death.

Also, a 35 year old movie - Monster Squad - already did the Dark Universe better than Universal could do.


Hell, Shane Black has said of all his movies, he'd like to do a remake of Monster Squad. Universal should hire him to oversee a kid-friendly/light-horror cinematic universe of their classic monsters, instead of going for Tom Cruises' absurd action.
 
2022-08-11 11:41:47 AM  

Fano: Mugato: Fano: The Invisible Man one was pretty much garbage

Kevin Bacon or Chevy Chase?

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/dSBsNeYqh-k]
The trailers tended to get rid of any mystery


Is there something special about this particular trailer, though? If there's a movie I'm actually interested in these days, I have to avoid all the trailers and coverage to preserve my innocence heading into the theater.

/ learned that long ago
// the trailer for 1987's "The Gate" had every single special effect in the whole movie except one
/// trio
 
2022-08-11 11:44:24 AM  

DecemberNitro: mongbiohazard: Those monsters are about as exciting as a piece of gum that's already been chewed all day. Mugato's right - they've been being done to death since before most of us were even born. They were our grandparents' stories. The dead horse is just a vague red smear now.

And for me Tarzan, the Knights of the Round Table, Robin Hood, and Sherlock Holmes are all on that same list. Old, generally public domain, stuff which have had so many retellings by now that they're all just noise.

Hardcore agree.

I feel like the classic monster stuff could maybe, possibly work if they took a modern horror approach to it. Use movies like Hereditary or The Green Knight or The VVitch as a template. Slow, methodical, atmospheric. Lean into the folk elements of the time period. Give the villains some buildup and some real dread.

Those classic monster characters and their environments have to be HORROR, not quippy action/comedy where every 10 minutes the characters have to run from a big CGI blur.


No studio wants to create a high-budget movie series using a bunch of art-house films as a template, no matter how good those movies are.
 
2022-08-11 11:46:09 AM  

sorceror: Fano: Mugato: Fano: The Invisible Man one was pretty much garbage

Kevin Bacon or Chevy Chase?

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/dSBsNeYqh-k]
The trailers tended to get rid of any mystery

Is there something special about this particular trailer, though? If there's a movie I'm actually interested in these days, I have to avoid all the trailers and coverage to preserve my innocence heading into the theater.

/ learned that long ago
// the trailer for 1987's "The Gate" had every single special effect in the whole movie except one
/// trio


The initial "mystery" of the movie is if she's being stalked by her invisible ex-husband, or is she crazy. The trailer makes it clear the invisible man actually exists.
 
2022-08-11 11:48:11 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: sorceror: Fano: Mugato: Fano: The Invisible Man one was pretty much garbage

Kevin Bacon or Chevy Chase?

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/dSBsNeYqh-k]
The trailers tended to get rid of any mystery

Is there something special about this particular trailer, though? If there's a movie I'm actually interested in these days, I have to avoid all the trailers and coverage to preserve my innocence heading into the theater.

/ learned that long ago
// the trailer for 1987's "The Gate" had every single special effect in the whole movie except one
/// trio

The initial "mystery" of the movie is if she's being stalked by her invisible ex-husband, or is she crazy. The trailer makes it clear the invisible man actually exists.


The movie title makes it pretty clear the invisible man actually exists
 
2022-08-11 11:49:55 AM  
When upper management is the problem it trickles down to everything the company does.
 
2022-08-11 11:53:26 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Boojum2k: WB gets frustrated, clown CEO sells DC Entertainment to Disney. Ten years from now after a series of successful introduction and establishing movies, Justice League/Avengers part 1 breaks all box office records.

That will never happen.

DC is too big of an IP for WB.

And the government wouldn't allow it.


Tell me you don't know what a monopoly is without relating your 'if I couldn't be the race car I didn't wanna play' story.
 
2022-08-11 11:53:32 AM  

DecemberNitro: mongbiohazard: Those monsters are about as exciting as a piece of gum that's already been chewed all day. Mugato's right - they've been being done to death since before most of us were even born. They were our grandparents' stories. The dead horse is just a vague red smear now.

And for me Tarzan, the Knights of the Round Table, Robin Hood, and Sherlock Holmes are all on that same list. Old, generally public domain, stuff which have had so many retellings by now that they're all just noise.

Hardcore agree.

I feel like the classic monster stuff could maybe, possibly work if they took a modern horror approach to it. Use movies like Hereditary or The Green Knight or The VVitch as a template. Slow, methodical, atmospheric. Lean into the folk elements of the time period. Give the villains some buildup and some real dread.

Those classic monster characters and their environments have to be HORROR, not quippy action/comedy where every 10 minutes the characters have to run from a big CGI blur.


A horror mystery based on the actual Frankenstein book where you have the monster leave behind a trail of experiments might work. Basically have the monster trying to improve on Frankenstein's design or recreate it to have a companion.
 
2022-08-11 11:55:30 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: sorceror: Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9juReoJxI0

Part 2, queued up to the relevant part about WB:
[YouTube video: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: REALLY THAT BAD - Part II]

Part 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwxDLdXALc

The Ultimate version is far superior to the theatrical cut.


That being said: if you aren't onboard with the premise of deconstruction of both Superman and Batman, then you aren't gonna like Snyder's take.


Snyder's take isn't deconstruction.  To deconstruct a character, you must first understand how it is constructed, and Snyder never bothered with that.
 
2022-08-11 11:55:34 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: DecemberNitro: mongbiohazard: Those monsters are about as exciting as a piece of gum that's already been chewed all day. Mugato's right - they've been being done to death since before most of us were even born. They were our grandparents' stories. The dead horse is just a vague red smear now.

And for me Tarzan, the Knights of the Round Table, Robin Hood, and Sherlock Holmes are all on that same list. Old, generally public domain, stuff which have had so many retellings by now that they're all just noise.

Hardcore agree.

I feel like the classic monster stuff could maybe, possibly work if they took a modern horror approach to it. Use movies like Hereditary or The Green Knight or The VVitch as a template. Slow, methodical, atmospheric. Lean into the folk elements of the time period. Give the villains some buildup and some real dread.

Those classic monster characters and their environments have to be HORROR, not quippy action/comedy where every 10 minutes the characters have to run from a big CGI blur.

No studio wants to create a high-budget movie series using a bunch of art-house films as a template, no matter how good those movies are.


I know, that's the problem unfortunately. They need to take a chance on something different if they want to have any impact, but they'll never do that so nothing will change and we'll just get Dark Universe reboots every 2 years for the rest of time.
 
2022-08-11 11:58:28 AM  

Boojum2k: WB gets frustrated, clown CEO sells DC Entertainment to Disney. Ten years from now after a series of successful introduction and establishing movies, Justice League/Avengers part 1 breaks all box office records.


Oh please dear GOD no more origin stories or establishing movies
 
2022-08-11 12:01:12 PM  

DecemberNitro: Boojum2k: WB gets frustrated, clown CEO sells DC Entertainment to Disney. Ten years from now after a series of successful introduction and establishing movies, Justice League/Avengers part 1 breaks all box office records.

Oh please dear GOD no more origin stories or establishing movies


Martha!!! and her broken pearl necklace approves.
 
2022-08-11 12:03:39 PM  

SuperChuck: Tyrone Slothrop: sorceror: Fano: Mugato: Fano: The Invisible Man one was pretty much garbage

Kevin Bacon or Chevy Chase?

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/dSBsNeYqh-k]
The trailers tended to get rid of any mystery

Is there something special about this particular trailer, though? If there's a movie I'm actually interested in these days, I have to avoid all the trailers and coverage to preserve my innocence heading into the theater.

/ learned that long ago
// the trailer for 1987's "The Gate" had every single special effect in the whole movie except one
/// trio

The initial "mystery" of the movie is if she's being stalked by her invisible ex-husband, or is she crazy. The trailer makes it clear the invisible man actually exists.

The movie title makes it pretty clear the invisible man actually exists


Well, not necessarily. And it could be lots of things. A pact with the devil. A ghost. A supernatural being. An alien. Or, oh we'll just show his invisible suit so there is zero mystery and just a long slog to getting to the part where he gets his comeuppance.

I mean, it could have been an unreliable narrator movie, even with that title. I mean, the Wicker Man was not about a wooden beast unleashed from Pier 1 to drink the blood of the innocent.
 
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