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2022-08-11 5:09:29 AM  
AG: "OK, here's a chance to give your side of the story and defend yourself"
Trump: "I don't know how these things work"
 
2022-08-11 5:43:39 AM  
This is him getting in his ride to meet with James - somehow he looks even more ridiculous than usual:
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Hair spun up extra high, bloated face. Even his neck vagina seems more puffy.

This is the manly man that the MAGAts worship.

I can't wait for James to hang him out to dry.
 
2022-08-11 6:17:39 AM  
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2022-08-11 6:29:44 AM  
Boy, for a guy who's secretly still the real president and spends his nights dressed as Batman and personally breaking up the baby-eating parties held beneath every Chick-Fil-A, he sure does spend a lot of time getting hassled by the cops.
 
2022-08-11 6:47:55 AM  
Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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2022-08-11 7:19:39 AM  
Trump seems worried.
 
2022-08-11 7:22:16 AM  
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2022-08-11 7:25:40 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Boy, for a guy who's secretly still the real president and spends his nights dressed as Batman and personally breaking up the baby-eating parties held beneath every Chick-Fil-A, he sure does spend a lot of time getting hassled by the cops.


It's one of those weird inconsistencies, like God always being broke.
 
2022-08-11 7:27:34 AM  
Dems should be saturating the airwaves:

All the Times Trump Bashed the Fifth Amendment
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2022-08-11 7:27:54 AM  
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2022-08-11 7:28:32 AM  
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2022-08-11 7:28:34 AM  
The lesson we should all be taking from this is that any investigation or prosecution of a Republican is politically-motivated persecution.

Gotta admit TFG was prescient when he said he wouldn't lose a single voter if he murdered somebody in the middle of 5th Avenue.
 
2022-08-11 7:28:49 AM  
Great. Somebody showed him the "STFU Friday" video.
 
2022-08-11 7:29:12 AM  

jso2897: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Boy, for a guy who's secretly still the real president and spends his nights dressed as Batman and personally breaking up the baby-eating parties held beneath every Chick-Fil-A, he sure does spend a lot of time getting hassled by the cops.

It's one of those weird inconsistencies, like God always being broke.


If you had God's bad spending habits, you'd be broke, too.
 
2022-08-11 7:29:27 AM  
Release the video of the deposition.

Right now Trump's pretending that he toughed it out and won the day through his personal grit and superior intellect, and he's all over the news downplaying his 5th Amendment cowardice.

I've seen videos of Trump being deposed, let the whole MAGAt world see their majestic hero mumbling and looking old, scared and confused while he fumbles with his glasses and tries to dodge direct questions from a Black woman.
 
2022-08-11 7:30:10 AM  

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The flying cun

/t
 
2022-08-11 7:30:31 AM  

Chthonic Echoes: jso2897: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Boy, for a guy who's secretly still the real president and spends his nights dressed as Batman and personally breaking up the baby-eating parties held beneath every Chick-Fil-A, he sure does spend a lot of time getting hassled by the cops.

It's one of those weird inconsistencies, like God always being broke.

If you had God's bad spending habits, you'd be broke, too.


His Son was an unabashed socialist. What did He expect?
 
2022-08-11 7:31:06 AM  
That's as many as 44 tens.

And that's terrible!
 
2022-08-11 7:33:04 AM  
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2022-08-11 7:36:43 AM  
In a row?
 
2022-08-11 7:38:23 AM  

HighOnCraic: That's as many as 44 tens.

And that's terrible!

Somebody

gets it!
 
2022-08-11 7:41:49 AM  
He is guilty as homemade sin.

Anyone who still believes in him by now is just dumber than a sack of oily hair.
 
2022-08-11 7:42:48 AM  

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First thing he reminded me of.
 
2022-08-11 7:43:39 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: Release the video of the deposition.

Right now Trump's pretending that he toughed it out and won the day through his personal grit and superior intellect, and he's all over the news downplaying his 5th Amendment cowardice.

I've seen videos of Trump being deposed, let the whole MAGAt world see their majestic hero mumbling and looking old, scared and confused while he fumbles with his glasses and tries to dodge direct questions from a Black woman.


It shouldn't be too hard to make a video short of what that COULD'VE been....,

Mr. Trump - does your penis look like a weird mushroom?
I take the fifth.

Mr. Trump - do you have short fingers?
I take the fifth....
 
2022-08-11 7:44:54 AM  

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2022-08-11 7:47:26 AM  
Those of you with the legal learning I have a few questions.  This trial is not a criminal trial, true?  What ever kind of trial this is, by pleading the 5th, it means something different as in this plea is more of an admission of guilt and not a neutral answer right?  What impact does the loser not answering have on the verdict?
 
2022-08-11 7:48:38 AM  

GoldSpider: The lesson we should all be taking from this is that any investigation or prosecution of a Republican is politically-motivated persecution.

Gotta admit TFG was prescient when he said he wouldn't lose a single voter if he murdered somebody in the middle of 5th Avenue.


I'm still a little sick in the gut remembering that after he said that sixty some odd million people said, yes, that's the President I want.
 
2022-08-11 7:52:21 AM  
When everyone was looking, Donald Trump took 440 fifs. He took 440 fifs.  That's as many as 44 tens.

And that's terrible.
 
2022-08-11 7:53:55 AM  
One Fif for every pound he weighs.
 
2022-08-11 7:55:17 AM  

HighOnCraic: That's as many as 44 tens.

And that's terrible!



I knew it had to have been said already.  I even did a quick scan and missed it.

/needs 40 cups of coffee
 
2022-08-11 7:57:17 AM  
440 times tells me he's just saying that to everything out of spite to not give them anything willingly.

"Hey for the record are you Donald J Trump?"

"FIFTH"
 
2022-08-11 7:58:03 AM  
440 x .2 = 88

This means something
 
2022-08-11 7:59:11 AM  

aoktrouble: Those of you with the legal learning I have a few questions.  This trial is not a criminal trial, true?  What ever kind of trial this is, by pleading the 5th, it means something different as in this plea is more of an admission of guilt and not a neutral answer right?  What impact does the loser not answering have on the verdict?


Lawyer here, but this isn't my area of expertise, and this info comes from a Google search to refresh my memories from civ pro class in 2008. Don't put too much stock in it.

But my understanding is that in a civil proceeding, where the defendant takes the fifth, the jury is allowed to make an adverse inference as to the subject of the question. And I *believe* the plaintiff is allowed to inform the jury that they're allowed to do so.

So in other words. James gets to tell the jury that whenever Trump refuses to answer a question, they're allowed to assume he's guilty of the issue he's dodging.

That's a pretty intense consequence when the potential outcome is to lose your business and possibly a big percentage of your net worth. My assumption is that whatever criminal charges he smells are way worse than whatever he's hiding here.
 
2022-08-11 8:00:43 AM  

peterquince: aoktrouble: Those of you with the legal learning I have a few questions.  This trial is not a criminal trial, true?  What ever kind of trial this is, by pleading the 5th, it means something different as in this plea is more of an admission of guilt and not a neutral answer right?  What impact does the loser not answering have on the verdict?

Lawyer here, but this isn't my area of expertise, and this info comes from a Google search to refresh my memories from civ pro class in 2008. Don't put too much stock in it.

But my understanding is that in a civil proceeding, where the defendant takes the fifth, the jury is allowed to make an adverse inference as to the subject of the question. And I *believe* the plaintiff is allowed to inform the jury that they're allowed to do so.

So in other words. James gets to tell the jury that whenever Trump refuses to answer a question, they're allowed to assume he's guilty of the issue he's dodging.

That's a pretty intense consequence when the potential outcome is to lose your business and possibly a big percentage of your net worth. My assumption is that whatever criminal charges he smells are way worse than whatever he's hiding here.


Well sure but also all Trump's knowledge of law comes from movies
 
2022-08-11 8:02:05 AM  

helloyesthisisdog: peterquince: aoktrouble: Those of you with the legal learning I have a few questions.  This trial is not a criminal trial, true?  What ever kind of trial this is, by pleading the 5th, it means something different as in this plea is more of an admission of guilt and not a neutral answer right?  What impact does the loser not answering have on the verdict?

Lawyer here, but this isn't my area of expertise, and this info comes from a Google search to refresh my memories from civ pro class in 2008. Don't put too much stock in it.

But my understanding is that in a civil proceeding, where the defendant takes the fifth, the jury is allowed to make an adverse inference as to the subject of the question. And I *believe* the plaintiff is allowed to inform the jury that they're allowed to do so.

So in other words. James gets to tell the jury that whenever Trump refuses to answer a question, they're allowed to assume he's guilty of the issue he's dodging.

That's a pretty intense consequence when the potential outcome is to lose your business and possibly a big percentage of your net worth. My assumption is that whatever criminal charges he smells are way worse than whatever he's hiding here.

Well sure but also all Trump's knowledge of law comes from movies


And his lawyers are terrible
 
2022-08-11 8:03:47 AM  

aoktrouble: Those of you with the legal learning I have a few questions.  This trial is not a criminal trial, true?  What ever kind of trial this is, by pleading the 5th, it means something different as in this plea is more of an admission of guilt and not a neutral answer right?  What impact does the loser not answering have on the verdict?


The 5th say you refuse to answer on the grounds it might serve to incriminate you.  With respect to the civil trial he cannot be incriminated IN THAT TRIAL.  His testimony under oath can however be used in ither proceedings.  In the civil trial itself, his refusal to answer can be taken by the jury as an indication of some degree of liability.  That same inference does not apply to any other criminal matters.  So, the upshot is Trump is willing for the civil case to go against him to civer his ass in any criminal proceedings.
 
2022-08-11 8:04:18 AM  

aoktrouble: Those of you with the legal learning I have a few questions.  This trial is not a criminal trial, true?  What ever kind of trial this is, by pleading the 5th, it means something different as in this plea is more of an admission of guilt and not a neutral answer right?  What impact does the loser not answering have on the verdict?


a)  Trump is the sort of person who would wind up perjuring himself answering "State your name for the record."
b)  He's actually far safer not answering questions rather than trying to finesse his way through the questioning, because literally everything we've assumed by his evasions has been wrong by not being pessimistic enough. (He's like Alex Jones in that way.)
c)  Considering how many things he's been criming about, out in the open, it doesn't surprise me that he was instructed to plead the fif on literally everything.
 
2022-08-11 8:04:21 AM  
He plead the fifth, but then he will answer all the questions at his next rally.
 
2022-08-11 8:04:45 AM  

aoktrouble: Those of you with the legal learning I have a few questions.  This trial is not a criminal trial, true?  What ever kind of trial this is, by pleading the 5th, it means something different as in this plea is more of an admission of guilt and not a neutral answer right?  What impact does the loser not answering have on the verdict?


Not a legal person, but a civil trial testimony/deposition goes on a legal record. A record that can be legally obtained by a criminal case prosecutor. If you say something that implicates you in a crime during a civil hearing that can be used against you in charging/prosecuting in criminal court.

Now, I may be wrong but I'd wager that NYAG James has a loose plan to bring criminal charges against Trump. Her bringing the civil suit gives her discovery, depositions, and testimony that could potentially provide evidence sufficient enough to both charge and convict him, or his upper-level lackeys, with white collar crimes.

While. I don't LIKE that Trumpty Dumpty basically just sat there yelling "FIF," after every question it IS his right to do so. Legally it means fark all about his guilt (guilyguiltyguilty.bmp) but the court of public opinion is free to think otherwise.

/ I wanted him to stick his foot in his fat mouth and incriminate himself.
// But I guarantee there's more than enough evidence to do so.
/// If they farking care to, that is...
 
2022-08-11 8:06:08 AM  

peterquince: aoktrouble: Those of you with the legal learning I have a few questions.  This trial is not a criminal trial, true?  What ever kind of trial this is, by pleading the 5th, it means something different as in this plea is more of an admission of guilt and not a neutral answer right?  What impact does the loser not answering have on the verdict?

Lawyer here, but this isn't my area of expertise, and this info comes from a Google search to refresh my memories from civ pro class in 2008. Don't put too much stock in it.

But my understanding is that in a civil proceeding, where the defendant takes the fifth, the jury is allowed to make an adverse inference as to the subject of the question. And I *believe* the plaintiff is allowed to inform the jury that they're allowed to do so.

So in other words. James gets to tell the jury that whenever Trump refuses to answer a question, they're allowed to assume he's guilty of the issue he's dodging.

That's a pretty intense consequence when the potential outcome is to lose your business and possibly a big percentage of your net worth. My assumption is that whatever criminal charges he smells are way worse than whatever he's hiding here.


*Trump rage humping a lecturn.gif*
 
2022-08-11 8:07:46 AM  
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2022-08-11 8:10:32 AM  

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To be fair, Reagan just said "I don't remember" and "I don't recall" 88 times during the Iran-Contra trial.
 
2022-08-11 8:10:45 AM  
Yeah here's the jury instruction referencing the adverse inference. In human English it says that the jury can take the strongest possible inference against trump about the subject matter (1) if they wanna, and (2) if James presents outside evidence on that subject.

So, the jury doesn't HAFTA take the inference. And plaintiff can't just ask a random question and go "see he didn't deny it!" There has to be some other separate basis for the allegation.

New York Pattern Jury Instruction 1:76 provides:

From the assertion of the privilege you may infer, if you deem it proper to do so, that had the answers been given they would not have contradicted the opposing evidence on the issue of [identify issue] or would not have supported (the defendant's, plaintiff's) position on that issue and you may, although you are not required to, draw the strongest inference against the (plaintiff, defendant) on that question that the opposing evidence permits.
 
2022-08-11 8:18:50 AM  

gottagopee: helloyesthisisdog: peterquince: aoktrouble: Those of you with the legal learning I have a few questions.  This trial is not a criminal trial, true?  What ever kind of trial this is, by pleading the 5th, it means something different as in this plea is more of an admission of guilt and not a neutral answer right?  What impact does the loser not answering have on the verdict?

Lawyer here, but this isn't my area of expertise, and this info comes from a Google search to refresh my memories from civ pro class in 2008. Don't put too much stock in it.

But my understanding is that in a civil proceeding, where the defendant takes the fifth, the jury is allowed to make an adverse inference as to the subject of the question. And I *believe* the plaintiff is allowed to inform the jury that they're allowed to do so.

So in other words. James gets to tell the jury that whenever Trump refuses to answer a question, they're allowed to assume he's guilty of the issue he's dodging.

That's a pretty intense consequence when the potential outcome is to lose your business and possibly a big percentage of your net worth. My assumption is that whatever criminal charges he smells are way worse than whatever he's hiding here.

Well sure but also all Trump's knowledge of law comes from movies

And his lawyers are terrible


You get what you don't pay for, I guess
 
2022-08-11 8:19:27 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Dems should be saturating the airwaves:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/CpfDwx7tiLY]


They should....but they wont though.
 
2022-08-11 8:20:04 AM  

peterquince: Yeah here's the jury instruction referencing the adverse inference. In human English it says that the jury can take the strongest possible inference against trump about the subject matter (1) if they wanna, and (2) if James presents outside evidence on that subject.

So, the jury doesn't HAFTA take the inference. And plaintiff can't just ask a random question and go "see he didn't deny it!" There has to be some other separate basis for the allegation.

New York Pattern Jury Instruction 1:76 provides:

From the assertion of the privilege you may infer, if you deem it proper to do so, that had the answers been given they would not have contradicted the opposing evidence on the issue of [identify issue] or would not have supported (the defendant's, plaintiff's) position on that issue and you may, although you are not required to, draw the strongest inference against the (plaintiff, defendant) on that question that the opposing evidence permits.


Trump's public statements regarding the 5th amendment almost certainly qualify for (2)
 
2022-08-11 8:20:45 AM  
They should adopt MLB intentional walk rules and cut the day short for everyone.
 
2022-08-11 8:22:26 AM  
A-dolt-o 440 - Stop the Crock.


/apologies to Apollo 440
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2022-08-11 8:23:30 AM  
TFG:  400 times
I'm Eric:  >500 times

Will Slenderman beat Eric's record?   What about Invanka?   I imagine she's a slow talker.  She'll stretch her answers out.
 
2022-08-11 8:24:13 AM  
AG "Would you please state you name for the record."
TFG "I plead the fifth."
AG "And where do you live Mr. Fifth?"
 
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