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2022-08-10 9:17:27 PM  
Windmills do not work that way!
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2022-08-10 10:56:25 PM  
So tired of this garbage argument...

"The case ended up before the court after two Bratenahl residents opposed the project.
One described herself as a birdwatcher who learned to swim in Lake Erie before she could walk. She was concerned about the killing of birds and bats by the turbine blades."


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2022-08-10 10:58:23 PM  
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2022-08-10 10:58:33 PM  

MrKevvy: So tired of this garbage argument...

"The case ended up before the court after two Bratenahl residents opposed the project.
One described herself as a birdwatcher who learned to swim in Lake Erie before she could walk. She was concerned about the killing of birds and bats by the turbine blades."

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Ffs LAKE ERIE would be above wind turbines
 
2022-08-10 10:58:52 PM  
If we put those things along the coasts of the Great Lakes it would make our lives so much healthier.
 
2022-08-10 10:59:02 PM  
Still not enough to remove the foul odor of the Browns and their fans.
 
2022-08-10 11:03:40 PM  

Trocadero: Still not enough to remove the foul odor of the Browns and their fans.


Just leave it. These poor people suffered worse than Lions fans.
 
2022-08-10 11:18:59 PM  
Ontario has been building turbines along Lake Huron (on land) and its great, I think they actually add to the landscape, but that's just me.

I do have a friend who lives on a hobby farm next to one, and she opposed it but I chalk that up to bring a little too hippie. Maybe something about vibrations or whatever.

I obviously DNRTFA but I wonder if they considered building in-land. The install, maintenance, repair, and decommissioning costs of building in the water are astronomical.
 
2022-08-10 11:27:23 PM  

MrKevvy: So tired of this garbage argument...

"The case ended up before the court after two Bratenahl residents opposed the project.
One described herself as a birdwatcher who learned to swim in Lake Erie before she could walk. She was concerned about the killing of birds and bats by the turbine blades."

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That's why I don't use windows.
 
2022-08-10 11:34:42 PM  
THE Ohio Supreme Court?

/Just making sure it's not some phony one...
 
2022-08-10 11:39:56 PM  
Mods asleep poast birb
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2022-08-10 11:46:05 PM  
I like birds.

Have bird.

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2022-08-10 11:47:17 PM  
Oh the NIMBYs are not going to like that at all
 
2022-08-10 11:48:04 PM  
In conclusion, I love you all.

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2022-08-10 11:54:01 PM  

WastrelWay: MrKevvy: So tired of this garbage argument...

"The case ended up before the court after two Bratenahl residents opposed the project.
One described herself as a birdwatcher who learned to swim in Lake Erie before she could walk. She was concerned about the killing of birds and bats by the turbine blades."

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That's why I don't use windows.


Linux Yes?
 
2022-08-10 11:54:46 PM  

slantsix: Ontario has been building turbines along Lake Huron (on land) and its great, I think they actually add to the landscape, but that's just me.

I do have a friend who lives on a hobby farm next to one, and she opposed it but I chalk that up to bring a little too hippie. Maybe something about vibrations or whatever.

I obviously DNRTFA but I wonder if they considered building in-land. The install, maintenance, repair, and decommissioning costs of building in the water are astronomical.



You know, critiques of these projects and technologies often come from one angle. There are literally hundreds of considerations that go into these things. Every one of them is some kind of constraint. What you find is that.... along the decision tree for setting up these projects... you save more by putting them out and away from people than you lose by having to deal with the technologies.

Who pays? In the end, the NIMBYs create costs for everyone, and often for little or no increased welfare or satisfaction. They make stuff up. People just want to be curmudgeonly and keep things the way they are and let the world burn.  If I said that anti-Frakkers do it too, I would be skewered on this site. But I know it happens. Unless you believe Matt Damon, that is. And it happens with nuclear. And solar.

On the other end of the scale is corporations running roughshod over everyone else's property rights.

I don't know the answer, but it might be to take projects in groups and just tell everyone that "we have to adopt one of these six. Let's pick one and all agree to accept the burdens." And then do the one that is chosen. It will force people to look at low hanging fruit, consider alternatives, and find the constraints, whether cost, location, or impact, and get on with it. Doing things one by one just makes it too easy for the NIMBYs to align with pressure groups and snipe. Let them fight each other instead.

My main beef these days is technologies that preclude other technologies, and those which require sacrifices that people will resent, or which leave people vulnerable.
 
2022-08-11 12:18:57 AM  
Gene Masseth is reportedly inconsolable.
 
2022-08-11 12:44:31 AM  

Trocadero: Still not enough to remove the foul odor of the Browns and their fans.


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2022-08-11 12:47:36 AM  

Mr. Shabooboo: THE Ohio Supreme Court?

/Just making sure it's not some phony one...


Top tip: When the joke is funny, stop at the punchline.
 
2022-08-11 1:13:12 AM  
If they up the turbines from 6 to 350 they would be able to generate 1.21 gigawatts
 
2022-08-11 2:15:20 AM  
I'm pretty sure that burning fossil fuels for energy is a lot more harmful to the birds and bats.

/honest question: do bats actually roam 10 miles offshore?
 
2022-08-11 6:02:14 AM  
Someone needs to put their mom in Shady Pines.
 
2022-08-11 6:37:56 AM  

2fardownthread: My main beef these days is technologies that preclude other technologies, and those which require sacrifices that people will resent, or which leave people vulnerable.


Translation for anyone who doesn't understand this farknut's codespeak:

"I don't want to be told I can't burn gasoline"
 
2022-08-11 7:10:33 AM  

SomeFarkinFarmgirl: I'm pretty sure that burning fossil fuels for energy is a lot more harmful to the birds and bats.

/honest question: do bats actually roam 10 miles offshore?


I could be wrong but I don't know of any bats that do. I would think most birds would avoid the windmills as they are clearly visible.

I have bats living near my house and they fly around at dusk...they live in an old tree nearby. They seem to not stray more than 1/4 mile from home as long as there's bugs to eat.

I've been in a car that hit an owl once and have seen birds hit windows from the inside of office buildings on two occasions. It's probably a fairly common cause of death. I've also found a few dead ones from cats.

Much worse is coal and gas emissions...plus the whole "catastrophic climate change" thing. I don't think people are really wrapping their heads around that.
 
2022-08-11 7:51:15 AM  
I hate windmills over the water. Put them in farm country where it's already ugly.
 
2022-08-11 8:17:09 AM  
There are already plenty of wind turbines on land in Ohio - they haven't seen any significant issues with bird or bat deaths.  They have, of course, suffered the three major drawbacks of wind turbines:

1. Some people don't like the way they look, especially from golf courses (this is usually childhood trauma from the windmill hole at the mini golf course. How is it the blade always hits my ball! Timmy got his through, it's not fair!)
2. Sometimes, when the wind stops blowing, the tv turns off. You can't explain that.
3. Cancer, obviously. Untold numbers of people have gotten cancer because of those windmills. Un. Told.

So clearly the only solution is to build more coal, oil, gas, or nuclear plants along the lake, as those look perfectly fine with their happy little smoke/condensate clouds, their proven record of not causing any harmful health or environmental effects that I know of (please don't tell me any, I can't hear you! LA LA LA), and I have never struggled to get past one on a mini golf course.
 
2022-08-11 8:22:44 AM  
but but but wind turbine syndrome!  this is all well to do people worried about thier view.
 
2022-08-11 8:52:40 AM  

LL316: I hate windmills over the water. Put them in farm country where it's already ugly.


This is Lake Erie, it's already ugly.

Some farm country is beautiful.  Some is decidedly not.  There are many miles of windmills not far inland from the coast in TX between Corpus Christi and Harlingen.  The area is more or less desert with some scrubby trees.  It is a hot hellscape, and perfect for windmills as few live there to look at it.  Probably also perfect for solar farms.
 
2022-08-11 9:24:23 AM  

asmodeus224: but but but wind turbine syndrome!  this is all well to do people worried about thier view.


It's people in Bratenahl, not Collinwood, who filed suit. So yeah, exactly.
 
2022-08-11 10:28:07 AM  

MrKevvy: So tired of this garbage argument...

"The case ended up before the court after two Bratenahl residents opposed the project.
One described herself as a birdwatcher who learned to swim in Lake Erie before she could walk. She was concerned about the killing of birds and bats by the turbine blades."

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In reality she's just rich.
 
2022-08-11 10:31:20 AM  
I am excited for this.   More please.

Those that are opposed to it are rich twats clamoring to find a legitimate reason to be against it.
 
2022-08-11 2:23:40 PM  

slantsix: Ontario has been building turbines along Lake Huron (on land) and its great, I think they actually add to the landscape, but that's just me.

I do have a friend who lives on a hobby farm next to one, and she opposed it but I chalk that up to bring a little too hippie. Maybe something about vibrations or whatever.

I obviously DNRTFA but I wonder if they considered building in-land. The install, maintenance, repair, and decommissioning costs of building in the water are astronomical.


In land they need to buy, rent, or steal the land through eminent domain.

Off shore, the area of water within a certain range already belongs to the state.
 
2022-08-11 7:03:25 PM  
Blowing is half the battle!™

- Sofa
 
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