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(NBC News)   Take heroin, fentanyl and cocaine, drive your truck head-on through a group of motorcyclists, kill seven, and tell the cops it's your fault? That's an acquittal in "Live Free or Die" land   (nbcnews.com) divider line
    More: Asinine, Massachusetts, Truck driver, Jury, New Hampshire, Volodymyr Zhukovskyy, Vermont, United States Constitution, New England  
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2022-08-10 6:09:02 PM  
He... he did it. I remember when this happened. It was a shiatshow.  How in the hell did they fark this up?
 
2022-08-10 7:07:48 PM  

neapoi: He... he did it. I remember when this happened. It was a shiatshow.  How in the hell did they fark this up?


I mean he's white.
 
2022-08-10 7:46:49 PM  
Is it just me, or does he look like an older Kyle Rittenhouse?  😕
 
2022-08-10 7:48:48 PM  

Circle Girl: Is it just me, or does he look like an older Kyle Rittenhouse?  😕


There should be no such thing.
 
2022-08-10 7:50:14 PM  
It is possible to get a jury full of idiots
 
2022-08-10 7:50:57 PM  
I want to see if the defendant has tattoos on his elbows and knees.
 
2022-08-10 7:52:47 PM  
I remember when this shiat show happened. What a cluster fark. So I'm guessing the argument is your honor my client is a disaster, but those bikers drove right into him? And they actually did?
 
2022-08-10 7:53:07 PM  
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2022-08-10 7:54:33 PM  
I'm sure that the members of Jarheads MC will accept the verdict as justice and move on with the healing.
 
2022-08-10 7:54:43 PM  

neapoi: He... he did it. I remember when this happened. It was a shiatshow.  How in the hell did they fark this up?


The lead motorcyclist was twice the legal limit drunk, which helps create doubt in the minds of the jury.

The state also failed to prove he was impaired. Charges were dismissed as soon as the Prosecution rested.

Its not surprising honestly. Still waiting for MA RMV to be brought up on charges for not pulling the guys license prior to the crash. But that will never happen.
 
2022-08-10 7:55:04 PM  
Future Russian headline: "Ukraine is so desperate for soldiers they are taking criminals deported from other countries."
 
2022-08-10 7:55:38 PM  
One method of justice has failed. As it so much more than even seems to, now... I suspect he will find another. Riders never forget.
 
2022-08-10 7:55:50 PM  
Reading the article it seems that the entirety of the court case turned into a shiatshow of contradictions between eyewitnesses and accident reconstructionisms. Not sure how I would react if I had a bunch of conflicting information that wouldn't all point to him even with his confession.
 
2022-08-10 7:56:03 PM  

koder: neapoi: He... he did it. I remember when this happened. It was a shiatshow.  How in the hell did they fark this up?

I mean he's white.


White people also died so you have a paradox.
In this case you have a drugged up truck driver (ice involved, illegal?) V drunk motorcycle guys.  Society needs trucks to move stuff so the motorcycle guys lose.

There is a whole flowchart involved for who gets off based on various conditions.
 
2022-08-10 7:56:51 PM  

neapoi: He... he did it. I remember when this happened. It was a shiatshow.  How in the hell did they fark this up?


Bikers & eyewitnesses lied and contradicted each other, accident reconstruction unit indicated that Zukovskyy didn't cross into the oncoming lane, evidence suggests bikers hit him, not the other way around.
 
2022-08-10 7:57:09 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It is possible to get a jury full of idiots


You have no idea what the evidence was.  It only took them 3 hours so it must have been pretty good evidence
 
2022-08-10 7:57:21 PM  

ctighe2353: koder: neapoi: He... he did it. I remember when this happened. It was a shiatshow.  How in the hell did they fark this up?

I mean he's white.

White people also died so you have a paradox.
In this case you have a drugged up truck driver (ice involved, illegal?) V drunk motorcycle guys.  Society needs trucks to move stuff so the motorcycle guys lose.

There is a whole flowchart involved for who gets off based on various conditions.


I thought it was customary to convict both parties when two impaired drivers collide.
 
2022-08-10 8:02:56 PM  

ctighe2353: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It is possible to get a jury full of idiots

You have no idea what the evidence was.  It only took them 3 hours so it must have been pretty good evidence


Your mileage may vary
 
2022-08-10 8:03:19 PM  

ctighe2353: There is a whole flowchart involved for who gets off based on various conditions.


Do you have it? Um...asking for a friend.
 
2022-08-10 8:05:19 PM  
Jailed since [June 21, 2019]

Wow, someone owes this guy a huge check!
 
2022-08-10 8:05:39 PM  
If you're an illegal immigrant who crashed into 7 bikers and the jury comes back Not Guilty in 3 hours, it's safe to say there was fairly legit reasonable doubt here. Jesus, somebody really, really screwed up here.
 
2022-08-10 8:06:54 PM  

Paul Baumer: If you're an illegal immigrant who crashed into 7 bikers and the jury comes back Not Guilty in 3 hours, it's safe to say there was fairly legit reasonable doubt here. Jesus, somebody really, really screwed up here.


The lead biker?
 
2022-08-10 8:09:57 PM  
I have zero sympathy for any motorcycle gang.
 
2022-08-10 8:10:18 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It is possible to get a jury full of idiots


Have you been to New Hampshire?
 
2022-08-10 8:11:04 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: I'm sure that the members of Jarheads MC will accept the verdict as justice and move on with the healing.


Looks like he might get deported back to Ukraine. INS is taking custody of him after the trial.
 
2022-08-10 8:11:13 PM  
It may be some small consolation but I read that he's in ICE custody.

I can't believe he was found not guilty. I let out an pretty loud "what the fark"!? when I saw the verdict.
 
2022-08-10 8:13:29 PM  
The guy should still be found guilty of impaired driving, if he wasn't already, and deported if relevant. But it seems that the evidence did not show that the impaired driving caused the deaths.
 
2022-08-10 8:13:56 PM  

neapoi: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It is possible to get a jury full of idiots

Have you been to New Hampshire?


No, but I have been on juries in California
 
2022-08-10 8:16:50 PM  
I very clearly remember sitting under on overpass in  CO on my Ducati waiting for a giant storm to pass. A group of "real bikers" pulled up. All of them shiat faced. Then they pulled out a bottle of whiskey and passed it around laughing at me when I declined their offer. When the rain finally passed, it took one guy 3 tries to get back onto his Harley. He just kept on falling over. Yeah, that's why the jury acquired. Biker was trashed, biker crashed into the truck. Truck was in its lane initially.
 
2022-08-10 8:19:30 PM  
He's a f*cking murderer as all DUI's that cause death are. He should pay for his actions.
 
2022-08-10 8:20:46 PM  

jerryskid: He's a f*cking murderer as all DUI's that cause death are. He should pay for his actions.


Nope. Just because you're trashed driving doesn't make you a murderer if you didn't cause the crash. And he didn't. The biker that crashed into him was trashed.
 
2022-08-10 8:21:24 PM  

jerryskid: He's a f*cking murderer as all DUI's that cause death are. He should pay for his actions.


Again, the lead biker?

/Said as a pleasure 🏍 rider
 
2022-08-10 8:21:49 PM  
Add this to examples of what White Privilege looks like.
 
2022-08-10 8:22:17 PM  
This is the US, where there is no Justice. There's just Us
 
2022-08-10 8:23:48 PM  
Duguay also accused prosecutors of ignoring that their own accident reconstruction unit contradicted their theory that Zhukovskyy crossed into the oncoming lane. An expert hired by the defense, meanwhile, testified that the crash happened on the center line of the road and would have occurred even if the truck was in the middle of its lane because Mazza's motorcycle was heading in that direction.

Never a good look when one side's own reconstruction of the accident harms their own case, nevermind the shiatfaced biker aspect.
 
2022-08-10 8:26:54 PM  

neapoi: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It is possible to get a jury full of idiots

Have you been to New Hampshire?


I have. The balance of idiots is comparable to the rest of New England. Which is the same across the country
 
2022-08-10 8:27:22 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It is possible to get a jury full of idiots


I think that's all they do.  Every selection I've been on, they always dismissed anyone that seemed remotely intelligent.

/no, I was never picked for jury
 
2022-08-10 8:29:02 PM  
LOL, nobody likes motorcyclists. Jury basically said, "Nothing of value was lost."
 
2022-08-10 8:32:54 PM  

dennysgod: Add this to examples of what White Privilege looks like.


Is this really White Privilege? And for whom?

This was in New Hampshire. It's 93% White. I googled for the motorcycle club and every picture I saw was filled with White people. Albert Mazza, the first name victim I saw...he's White too.

If all parties are involved are White, I don't see how it is fair to call anything White privilege? If you think the defendant 'got off' because he is White, do you think the victims and their families were denied justice because they are White?
 
2022-08-10 8:33:46 PM  
Truck driver has legal US residency, at least for now. Ukrainians have temporary protected status, at least for now.

He's not going anywhere and I bet there is a line of lawyers out the door looking to get him sprung from ICE custody and pursue damages.
 
2022-08-10 8:35:00 PM  
Seems like people are upset that the initial story they believed turned out to be not so true.
 
2022-08-10 8:43:37 PM  

Bugerz: Reading the article it seems that the entirety of the court case turned into a shiatshow of contradictions between eyewitnesses and accident reconstructionisms. Not sure how I would react if I had a bunch of conflicting information that wouldn't all point to him even with his confession.


I was curious and listened to first 4 witness testimonies.

1. She was behind another car and can't clearly see the truck. Claims she could see a portion of crash after car in front of her stopped and she pulled around. Defense does a decent job of making it seem impossible for the crash to take so long she had time to pull around.
2. Car immediately behind truck - passenger was lookjng at phone and didn't see the impact
3. Car immediately behind truck - driver could see motorcycle because truck blocked view

All 3 testify that they had seen the truck weaving over the lines.

4. Driver on other side of accident - only saw aftermath in rear view mirror. Said she felt motorcycles were too closely grouped together in her opinion. Not speeding and they were in their lane when she saw them.

I kept waiting for that clear moment where someone could say the truck was over the line at the moment of impact, but it never came.

From what I've read, the first motorcyclist hit was double the BAC limit and the defense made a case that he slid into the truck's lane.
 
2022-08-10 8:44:39 PM  
I've seen a lot of overly aggressive lead bikers ride the center line before.  They seem to get it into their head that they're some kind of one man hero keeping their flock safe by driving like an ass.

Seems the safer plan would for the whole group to stay sober and ride responsibly.  Obviously truck drivers should also remain sober.
 
2022-08-10 8:46:33 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: dennysgod: Add this to examples of what White Privilege looks like.

Is this really White Privilege? And for whom?

This was in New Hampshire. It's 93% White. I googled for the motorcycle club and every picture I saw was filled with White people. Albert Mazza, the first name victim I saw...he's White too.

If all parties are involved are White, I don't see how it is fair to call anything White privilege? If you think the defendant 'got off' because he is White, do you think the victims and their families were denied justice because they are White?


Plenty of farkers scream White Priviledge at the first thing they see.  It's a form of Karenism.
 
2022-08-10 8:51:38 PM  

MythDragon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It is possible to get a jury full of idiots

I think that's all they do.  Every selection I've been on, they always dismissed anyone that seemed remotely intelligent.

/no, I was never picked for jury


That's not true because I've served on a jury and...oh :-(
 
2022-08-10 8:57:50 PM  

Paul Baumer: If you're an illegal immigrant who crashed into 7 bikers and the jury comes back Not Guilty in 3 hours, it's safe to say there was fairly legit reasonable doubt here. Jesus, somebody really, really screwed up here.


Where does it say he's an illegal immigrant?  ICE being involved doesn't necessarily mean he's illegal, they could just be reviewing his visa and whether or not to revoke it.
 
2022-08-10 9:02:15 PM  

Ker_Thwap: I've seen a lot of overly aggressive lead bikers ride the center line before.  They seem to get it into their head that they're some kind of one man hero keeping their flock safe by driving like an ass.


With their left leg sticking out into the oncoming lane.

Those people are jerks and I have no sympathy when they get hurt due to their own arrogant actions.
 
2022-08-10 9:03:23 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Fark_Guy_Rob: dennysgod: Add this to examples of what White Privilege looks like.

Is this really White Privilege? And for whom?

This was in New Hampshire. It's 93% White. I googled for the motorcycle club and every picture I saw was filled with White people. Albert Mazza, the first name victim I saw...he's White too.

If all parties are involved are White, I don't see how it is fair to call anything White privilege? If you think the defendant 'got off' because he is White, do you think the victims and their families were denied justice because they are White?

Plenty of farkers scream White Priviledge at the first thing they see.  It's a form of Karenism.


I prefer to call it a form of racism.
 
2022-08-10 9:07:15 PM  
Some people get life for selling pot. The world is a farked up mess
 
2022-08-10 9:07:55 PM  

dsmith42: JasonOfOrillia: I'm sure that the members of Jarheads MC will accept the verdict as justice and move on with the healing.

Looks like he might get deported back to Ukraine. INS is taking custody of him after the trial.


They put a hold on him when he was arrested. If he had been convicted, they'd want to be ready to deport him as soon as he was released (following serving his sentence), and they did not want him posting bail and skipping the country before or during the trial.

If he's not illegal, they'll probably let him go.

I have a hard time sympathizing with a group of trouble making man-babies who think riding Harley Noise Makers while drunk is somehow still "cool".

This guy is still a danger, admitting to being impaired while driving, regardless of the ruling, should result in a revocation of his commercial license, but I have no idea what grounds they can actually use to do that.
 
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