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2022-08-10 7:14:11 PM  
A movie without "the message"?  I'll give it a whirl
 
2022-08-10 7:14:16 PM  
Here's something I think about.

There are openly left wing shows. Nobody gets defensive about it.

If there's nothing wrong with having a right wing show, why object to having it called a right wing show? If you don't think there's anything wrong with right wing views, being labeled right wing shouldn't bother you at all.

Right?

Unless you sorta know right wing views are sh*tty, and your humanity rankles at the accusation. Because deep down, we all know American right wing views are just the worst sort of dumb and wrong and greedy and hateful. So getting called right wing feels even to a right wringer like an insult.
 
2022-08-10 7:15:26 PM  
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2022-08-10 7:15:29 PM  
It wasn't bad. It's just been done better. Shooter comes to mind.
 
2022-08-10 7:21:33 PM  
Was discussing this show last weekend and there was some confusion over whether the show was called "Terminal List" or "Terminalist".
 
2022-08-10 7:21:58 PM  
It was boring just like The Sandman. Didn't notice any woke or unwoke stuff in any one of them, because I kept going to sleep.
 
2022-08-10 7:25:08 PM  
Is it Wooooooooooke?  😄
 
2022-08-10 7:27:23 PM  
His Jurassic Movies sucked and his character on Parks was over the top stupid.
 
2022-08-10 7:35:55 PM  

scotchcrotch: His Jurassic Movies sucked and his character on Parks was over the top stupid.


Chris Pratt's problematic and his Jurassic Park movies do suck. The article's about the author/producer, though.

Gonna have to fight you about Parks and Rec. I love it in any case. Pratt's character was one of the few that matured (a bit).
 
2022-08-10 7:38:16 PM  
"The 'Daily Beast,' in particular, their review was quite mean. But they see an American flag and they get upset. Or they see someone who is competent with weapons and has a certain mindset and holds those in power accountable for their actions and they just kind of lose it a little bit," Carr said.

The novelist went on to point out how "there's no 'woke' or 'anti-woke,' but just because there's not this 'woke' stuff that's shoved into it, then it's perceived - by critics, at least - as not promoting their agenda, so they're going to hate it."


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2022-08-10 7:44:21 PM  
Twitter's got too many self-appointed replacements for Pauline Kael.
 
2022-08-10 7:47:43 PM  
The new Top Gun pulled 96% on RT and $Texas at the box office, and no one's calling it "woke".

What happened to the Party of Personal Responsibility?
 
2022-08-10 7:55:54 PM  
I haven't seen it but I gotta agree with Pratt and the article. If it is true that it takes no political side, then people are just triggered by military themes or the American flag.Too bad for them. Those things exist in the world.

As for Pratt, some idiots love to hate him on Twitter because he went to the Hillsong church & it is not accepting of LGBTQIA+.

Problem is, Pratt never went to that church. Someone started some shiat because Pratt is Christian. Wow, what a crime. He once said "God is real and wants the best for you" in an acceptance speech & some really tolerant people pilloried him for it.

I doubt I'll watch the show. It doesn't interest me, but to me, Pratt will always be the foul-mouthed, dirty-joke telling, Kim Kardashian "got cum on her back" unusable-blooper-making goofball that the people who know him say is the greatest guy, no matter what subby says in the headline.
 
2022-08-10 7:59:49 PM  

Ragin' Asian: scotchcrotch: His Jurassic Movies sucked and his character on Parks was over the top stupid.

Chris Pratt's problematic and his Jurassic Park movies do suck. The article's about the author/producer, though.

Gonna have to fight you about Parks and Rec. I love it in any case. Pratt's character was one of the few that matured (a bit).


For what it's worth, the creators of the show have always maintained that Andy was basically just Chris Pratt with the dial turned up a couple notches.
 
2022-08-10 8:00:21 PM  

Jack Sabbath: I haven't seen it but I gotta agree with Pratt and the article. If it is true that it takes no political side, then people are just triggered by military themes or the American flag.Too bad for them. Those things exist in the world.

As for Pratt, some idiots love to hate him on Twitter because he went to the Hillsong church & it is not accepting of LGBTQIA+.

Problem is, Pratt never went to that church. Someone started some shiat because Pratt is Christian. Wow, what a crime. He once said "God is real and wants the best for you" in an acceptance speech & some really tolerant people pilloried him for it.

I doubt I'll watch the show. It doesn't interest me, but to me, Pratt will always be the foul-mouthed, dirty-joke telling, Kim Kardashian "got cum on her back" unusable-blooper-making goofball that the people who know him say is the greatest guy, no matter what subby says in the headline.


Yeah, but he totally dropped the ball against Thanos in Infinity War.
 
2022-08-10 8:00:53 PM  

CarnySaur: Was discussing this show last weekend and there was some confusion over whether the show was called "Terminal List" or "Terminalist".


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2022-08-10 8:02:12 PM  

DrowningLessons: Here's something I think about.

There are openly left wing shows. Nobody gets defensive about it.

If there's nothing wrong with having a right wing show, why object to having it called a right wing show? If you don't think there's anything wrong with right wing views, being labeled right wing shouldn't bother you at all.

Right?

Unless you sorta know right wing views are sh*tty, and your humanity rankles at the accusation. Because deep down, we all know American right wing views are just the worst sort of dumb and wrong and greedy and hateful. So getting called right wing feels even to a right wringer like an insult.


Maybe it really isn't?

I haven't seen it, but I can absolutely imagine Daily Beast seeing an American flag, a gun and a member of the military and deciding that this makes a movie right wing.  They're pretty much just a culture war clickbait site for liberals now; they'd probably say it just to generate content and a few clicks.
 
2022-08-10 8:05:36 PM  
Sounds like the desperate and stupid publicity stunt Paul Feig tried to stir up for his awful Ghostbusters remake, claiming people hated it for political reasons when it was just bad.

I'll assume this is the same thing but from the right, and ignore it accordingly.
 
2022-08-10 8:08:55 PM  

Naido: DrowningLessons: Here's something I think about.

There are openly left wing shows. Nobody gets defensive about it.

If there's nothing wrong with having a right wing show, why object to having it called a right wing show? If you don't think there's anything wrong with right wing views, being labeled right wing shouldn't bother you at all.

Right?

Unless you sorta know right wing views are sh*tty, and your humanity rankles at the accusation. Because deep down, we all know American right wing views are just the worst sort of dumb and wrong and greedy and hateful. So getting called right wing feels even to a right wringer like an insult.

Maybe it really isn't?

I haven't seen it, but I can absolutely imagine Daily Beast seeing an American flag, a gun and a member of the military and deciding that this makes a movie right wing.  They're pretty much just a culture war clickbait site for liberals now; they'd probably say it just to generate content and a few clicks.


Okay, well set aside that every episode starts with a prayer and is otherwise fairly jingoistic, even if a site accuses a show of being right wing...who cares? I've been a showrunner. If someone called one of my shows left wing I would agree, but also, okay. Just proves the politics of the accuser, not really much else.

Anyway using "woke" as a pejorative is something I associate with people on the right. So if the dude is conservative and that worldview leaks out into his show and someone mentions it, why should it bother him all that much? Why is it such an accusation? I know the Daily Beast hates conservatives, but if you are one, why does the Daily Beast calling you one rankle even at all?
 
2022-08-10 8:09:27 PM  
Wouldn't* agree in the above, apologies.
 
2022-08-10 8:10:41 PM  

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2022-08-10 8:16:23 PM  

DrowningLessons: Naido: DrowningLessons: Here's something I think about.

There are openly left wing shows. Nobody gets defensive about it.

If there's nothing wrong with having a right wing show, why object to having it called a right wing show? If you don't think there's anything wrong with right wing views, being labeled right wing shouldn't bother you at all.

Right?

Unless you sorta know right wing views are sh*tty, and your humanity rankles at the accusation. Because deep down, we all know American right wing views are just the worst sort of dumb and wrong and greedy and hateful. So getting called right wing feels even to a right wringer like an insult.

Maybe it really isn't?

I haven't seen it, but I can absolutely imagine Daily Beast seeing an American flag, a gun and a member of the military and deciding that this makes a movie right wing.  They're pretty much just a culture war clickbait site for liberals now; they'd probably say it just to generate content and a few clicks.

Okay, well set aside that every episode starts with a prayer and is otherwise fairly jingoistic, even if a site accuses a show of being right wing...who cares? I've been a showrunner. If someone called one of my shows left wing I would agree, but also, okay. Just proves the politics of the accuser, not really much else.

Anyway using "woke" as a pejorative is something I associate with people on the right. So if the dude is conservative and that worldview leaks out into his show and someone mentions it, why should it bother him all that much? Why is it such an accusation? I know the Daily Beast hates conservatives, but if you are one, why does the Daily Beast calling you one rankle even at all?


He wants people to watch the show instead of dismissing it out of hand.

Or I don't know, maybe he HAS seen the undeserved absolute hatred hurled at him on Twitter & finally let out a little bit of anger.

Showed far more restraint so far than I ever could.

Having tens of millions of dollars & living his dream life probably helped build some of that initial zen, but even that has its limits.
 
2022-08-10 8:27:12 PM  
This is just the way showrunners deal with criticism any more.

Ghostbusters 2016: The movie doesn't suck.  All of you are just misogynists.

Fant4stic: The movie doesn't suck. Racists just hate that they replaced a white character with a black actor. (at least years later Trank finally admitted it was crap.)

She Hulk: The CG doesn't suck. The complaints are because of our culture's belief in its ownership of women's bodies
 
2022-08-10 8:27:47 PM  
Meh, a lone guy who is wronged and goes all beast-mode is a pretty common right wing trope.  I wouldn't call this particularly right wing, it just had weak writing and production.  I liked the fact that the antagonists were pretty right wing themselves.
 
2022-08-10 8:30:07 PM  
First they cancel Batgirl and now this????

Worst week of my life. If anyone needs me, I'll be in my safe space.
 
2022-08-10 8:30:59 PM  
Right-wing revenge fantasy? It's been done before, and better.
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2022-08-10 8:33:14 PM  
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2022-08-10 8:33:56 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Didn't notice any woke or unwoke stuff in any one of them, because I kept going to sleep.


So unwoke it dewakens the audience
 
2022-08-10 8:36:13 PM  
...they see an American flag and they get upset

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He sounds surprised.

Where's this guy been?
 
2022-08-10 8:38:58 PM  

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2022-08-10 8:48:13 PM  

Jack Sabbath: He wants people to watch the show instead of dismissing it out of hand.

Or I don't know, maybe he HAS seen the undeserved absolute hatred hurled at him on Twitter & finally let out a little bit of anger.

Showed far more restraint so far than I ever could.

Having tens of millions of dollars & living his dream life probably helped build some of that initial zen, but even that has its limits.


Eh, that entire article reads like a desperate attempt to drum up viewers for the show so that Amazon picks it up for 2nd season. The show has been out for over a month and I'm guessing most people have just moved on from it and are ignoring it at this point. Hyping up the idea that "We've had 1.6 billion minutes shown" is something that makes me question the point. Why not talk about views? Or number of episodes watched?

Most of the negative critic reviews on RT basically say that the show is boring over time, has a gritty story, and that Chris Pratt doesn't seem like he was used well in the role. Pushing the culture war idea about it is just a way to try and shove the show into the news cycles to try and attract people to watch it as an attempt to spite others, not because they were interested in the story or because the trailer grabbed them.
 
2022-08-10 9:02:10 PM  
I did end up watching the full series, kind of. And while I have no clue what the Daily Beast was going on about, I found this to be a show that was just too many episodes. It would have been much better just to make it a mini-series of like 4 or 5 episodes. In the end it was just another brainless conspiracy that centers on fantasy rather than reality.  The whole plot just was not good to begin with.
 
2022-08-10 9:10:54 PM  
The problem isn't that it's "not woke", it's that it's what Hallmark would make if they were doing violent action productions. It's painfully contrived conspiracies that can only be solved by violence enacted by rugged individuals coupled with cheesy attempts at pulling heartstrings and obnoxious levels of patriotic pageantry.

"Dad TV" is pretty accurate, it's hamfisted fantasy escapism for well-to-do suburban dudes. It's not hard to see where it would do great with that demographic while everyone else finds it nauseating.
 
2022-08-10 9:15:52 PM  
Sorry I already seen Jack reacher
 
2022-08-10 9:17:00 PM  

huma474: Eh, that entire article reads like a desperate attempt to drum up viewers for the show so that Amazon picks it up for 2nd season.


Pretty much. He's signaling to who he thinks his audience is. Most people didn't even know this show existed until he decided to come out with "we're being attacked by woke!"

It's not a genuine concern he has, it's a rallying cry.

As far as I can tell, exactly one yahoo slammed the show for being conservative ... and it was the Daily Beast, which barely counts. It's much ado about nothing and an attempt to craft a selling point for the show. "Liberals HATE it," when in truth, no one except for some fringe doofus at the DB cares much either way.
 
2022-08-10 9:19:47 PM  

Black_Lazerus: Sorry I already seen Jack reacher


And from the trailer of this one it was a much better show with a lead that felt like the right person for the job.
 
2022-08-10 9:20:31 PM  
The show's only real high point was the suspense it built up keeping you unsure if there really was a conspiracy or if he was simply suffering from a tumor induced paranoia. That to me was the most interesting but that only lasted a couple episodes. After that it just became a tedious revenge flick & poor First Blood redux.

Politically? Def right wing. They're lying if they're saying it's not.
 
2022-08-10 9:27:57 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: The show's only real high point was the suspense it built up keeping you unsure if there really was a conspiracy or if he was simply suffering from a tumor induced paranoia. That to me was the most interesting but that only lasted a couple episodes. After that it just became a tedious revenge flick & poor First Blood redux.

Politically? Def right wing. They're lying if they're saying it's not.


Not lying, advertising. Its kinda like lying, but you get paid for it.
 
2022-08-10 9:34:22 PM  

shoegaze99: huma474: Eh, that entire article reads like a desperate attempt to drum up viewers for the show so that Amazon picks it up for 2nd season.

Pretty much. He's signaling to who he thinks his audience is. Most people didn't even know this show existed until he decided to come out with "we're being attacked by woke!"

It's not a genuine concern he has, it's a rallying cry.

As far as I can tell, exactly one yahoo slammed the show for being conservative ... and it was the Daily Beast, which barely counts. It's much ado about nothing and an attempt to craft a selling point for the show. "Liberals HATE it," when in truth, no one except for some fringe doofus at the DB cares much either way.


And honestly I'd never heard about this. The fact that Amazon didn't try to push it to me even though I've watched all of Reacher and some of Jack Ryan speaks to how they think its not something that will stick around that long, typically the holy and sainted algorithm will shove things at you that are similar to thing you've seen in the past. There's not even a banner ad for it on my Amazon even though its number 1 in their top watched list right now.
 
2022-08-10 9:35:39 PM  

puckrock2000: Right-wing revenge fantasy? It's been done before, and better.
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That vampire better hide before the sun comes out and gets him.
 
2022-08-10 9:42:15 PM  
I'm a lefty and my eyes roll at the use of superficial performative patriotism.

But I will sit down and watch Red Dawn with anyone, anytime, of any day. It's a right-wing fever dream, but it's earnest and well made and every cheesy patriotic visual in that movie is earned and I just love watching it with people.

Cultural accountability and the market demand for more inclusive media aren't going to get in the way of a good story told well.

/ya boring
 
2022-08-10 9:49:39 PM  
New rule, anyone using the term woke to describe anything other than the opposite of actually being asleep is to be punched in the genitals.
 
2022-08-10 9:52:48 PM  
The trouble with "The Terminal List" novel is that it's exceptionally derivative. I was raised on base libraries and have a pretty high tolerance for dumb Tom Clancy style military thrillers, but checked out about 25 pages in when my eyes rolled back too far and I fainted.
 
2022-08-10 10:01:13 PM  
I dunno. It wasn't great, but it wasn't exactly Military Power Fantasy either. I was a story about a unit that got boned, and then gets into a conspiracy with drugs to combat PTSD and soldiers as guinea pigs. Ultimately, it's more about corruption and using Spec Ops as guinea pigs and disposable pawns. It's not Woke, and it's not exactly Power Fantasy either. It's not a great show, but it tells a story, though, it does go a little heavy handed to motivate the protagonist in a dark way early in the series. And kind of cynically.

It's just written a bit heavy, and it takes some of Chris Pratt's innate likability which he has sort of relied upon as a protagonist. It's not like Paul Odenkirk going full brutal in Nobody, but it is a departure from his usual stuff. His forays into shedding his more comedic roles have met with...less than stellar results. The Tomorrow War was grimdark. The Terminal List is equally so, and without the saving grace of having Yvonne Strahovsky. Pratt feels like he's trying to expand his experiences--and Amazon films and series are a moderate payout and give him something different to do. He's still got Marvel, Jurassic Park and the Lego movies, along with some goofy stuff coming up, but being in a not great series isn't exactly a crime.

It wasn't great, but it wasn't Power Fantasy. It just wasn't a great show. It was serviceable. It was just Not Great. Sometimes shows are just shows and not amazing. I absolutely adore Toks Olgagundoye, but The Neighbors isn't a great comedy series, but she was definitely a highlight for it. She's gone on to do some fun stuff beyond that role. Chris Pratt can have a Not Great movie and series on his resume.
 
2022-08-10 10:20:17 PM  
I've never heard of this show, this author or his books. And he looks EXACTLY as I envisioned him.
 
2022-08-10 10:46:12 PM  

hubiestubert: I dunno. It wasn't great, but it wasn't exactly Military Power Fantasy either. I was a story about a unit that got boned, and then gets into a conspiracy with drugs to combat PTSD and soldiers as guinea pigs. Ultimately, it's more about corruption and using Spec Ops as guinea pigs and disposable pawns. It's not Woke, and it's not exactly Power Fantasy either. It's not a great show, but it tells a story, though, it does go a little heavy handed to motivate the protagonist in a dark way early in the series. And kind of cynically.

It's just written a bit heavy, and it takes some of Chris Pratt's innate likability which he has sort of relied upon as a protagonist. It's not like Paul Odenkirk going full brutal in Nobody, but it is a departure from his usual stuff. His forays into shedding his more comedic roles have met with...less than stellar results. The Tomorrow War was grimdark. The Terminal List is equally so, and without the saving grace of having Yvonne Strahovsky. Pratt feels like he's trying to expand his experiences--and Amazon films and series are a moderate payout and give him something different to do. He's still got Marvel, Jurassic Park and the Lego movies, along with some goofy stuff coming up, but being in a not great series isn't exactly a crime.

It wasn't great, but it wasn't Power Fantasy. It just wasn't a great show. It was serviceable. It was just Not Great. Sometimes shows are just shows and not amazing. I absolutely adore Toks Olgagundoye, but The Neighbors isn't a great comedy series, but she was definitely a highlight for it. She's gone on to do some fun stuff beyond that role. Chris Pratt can have a Not Great movie and series on his resume.


But Chris Pratt said something a bunch of Twitter randos didn't like, so everything he does now is worse than a million SlaveryCaust 9/11s.
 
2022-08-10 10:51:33 PM  
We watched all of it.  It had ups and downs, but was entertaining.

My wife really liked it which was surprising.  As much as she never touched a gun until last year and can out shoot anyone on here, including me.

But the show isn't all about guns.  Mostly a corrupt government.  Which is why lefties get their panties in a wad.
 
2022-08-10 11:19:32 PM  

loral: But the show isn't all about guns.  Mostly a corrupt government.  Which is why lefties get their panties in a wad.


Oh yes, who can ever forget all the lefties that hated V for Vendetta because of it's corrupt government.
 
2022-08-10 11:37:58 PM  
"We didn't make it for critics," he said. "What's important to me and to Chris Pratt was that we made something that would speak to those members of the military who went down range over the last 20 years so they could sit down and say, 'These guys put in the work and made a show that speaks to me.'"

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2022-08-11 12:18:48 AM  
If you go on Fox and Friends and speak the word woke that many times to defend from accusations of right-wing bias... Well, there you go. Clearly you're not attempting to convert anyone who may have been put off by such. No normal human being is willingly going to go talk to those idiot robots about anything worth listening to.

Christ do right-wingers cry. For as much as they're 100% convinced the entertainment industry and Hollywood is against them you'd think it would be less of a shock when their shiatty movies and shows get negative reviews. You'll always have the half of the country that likes boom booms and boobies. Stick with that and move on.
 
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