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2022-08-10 1:47:59 AM  
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2022-08-10 4:03:39 AM  
That is quite bad. I can assure people that the other autonomous vehicle companies, at least those I am familiar with: Waymo, Cruise and Zoox, will not hit the dummy. You, the rider, might get pressed hard into the seatbelt and then slammed back onto the seat back and headrest, but the dummy will not be hit.
 
2022-08-10 4:19:15 AM  
The problem is that the car indiscriminately mows down children.  If it was discriminate in the process, it would be considered a feature.
 
2022-08-10 4:22:32 AM  
The kid mannequin was jaywalking.
 
2022-08-10 4:35:09 AM  
Oh come on, that mannequin was totally fake looking. You need a real kid out there for it to be a fair test. No Tesla is going to slam on the brakes for a dummy.
 
2022-08-10 5:16:05 AM  
This is a pretty important safety feature, sounds like subby hasn't even been stalked by a pack of feral children.  They'd easily bait a trap with a wall of their own if they knew your car would be forced to stop.  While you're focused on what that wall of nasty creatures are going to do the pincer packs approach from the sides and pry open the doors and haul you out with their sticky little hands.

No, its best to just plow through any walls of children, they aren't even old enough to work yet and they're both easy and actually fun to make any ways so who really cares that much about a few potential blood lusting knee-highs any ways.
 
2022-08-10 5:32:25 AM  
In before the Tesla bros and other clowns who believe autonomous vehicles "are just a few years away".  Autonomous vehicles being a "few years away" are the new "fusion energy in about 20 years".
 
2022-08-10 5:39:35 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: In before the Tesla bros and other clowns who believe autonomous vehicles "are just a few years away".  Autonomous vehicles being a "few years away" are the new "fusion energy in about 20 years".


Ah, but you ignore the obvious fact that Elon's gonna revolutionize autonomous vehicles through the power of the Blockchain!

/Chessmate!
 
2022-08-10 5:42:44 AM  
I am not a Tesla fanboi, very much the opposite.   But replies to the post in the twitter thread suggest the self driving mode wasn't activated at the time, or at least not properly.  Does anyone with knowledge of how Teslas work have an ability to fact check this?
 
2022-08-10 5:44:31 AM  
Just targeting potential buyers from young age
 
2022-08-10 5:47:29 AM  
Who doesn't want to mow down snot nosed kids?

/Father of 5
 
2022-08-10 6:19:31 AM  

Warthog: I am not a Tesla fanboi, very much the opposite.   But replies to the post in the twitter thread suggest the self driving mode wasn't activated at the time, or at least not properly.  Does anyone with knowledge of how Teslas work have an ability to fact check this?


I scrolled through lots of replies and saw one that said, 'we can't see if it's activated'.

I did see another that suggested that the Tesla know's it's not a person because it's a cardboard cut out but... Should they be nailing cardboard in the street? If I saw a huge cardboard box in the street my first instinct wouldn't be "hit it dead on".

Can you elaborate on the plural of replies?
 
2022-08-10 6:19:55 AM  

jakedata: Oh come on, that mannequin was totally fake looking. You need a real kid out there for it to be a fair test. No Tesla is going to slam on the brakes for a dummy.


Elon's got a bunch of spare kids.

It would really boost customer, investor, and regulator confidence if he used one of his for a live subject test. And if it doesn't work out, he'll make more.
 
2022-08-10 6:22:12 AM  
I thought Tesla's "self driving" was just cruise control with AI lane management steering to keep it on the road.

Oh, and a really dumb name that calls it something it isn't.

Isn't that why there's supposed to be a human at the wheel who is paying attention?
 
2022-08-10 6:26:33 AM  

bloobeary: I thought Tesla's "self driving" was just cruise control with AI lane management steering to keep it on the road.

Oh, and a really dumb name that calls it something it isn't.

Isn't that why there's supposed to be a human at the wheel who is paying attention?


"Supposed to be" will be very comforting to the people the car runs over
 
2022-08-10 6:26:46 AM  
I can't stand Tesla, but all these fully self driving cars do the same shiat.  Most farkers would be dead by the time Microsoft get this righ................blue screen
 
2022-08-10 6:28:17 AM  
Mowing Down Children DLC coming in 2023. 200/m + upgrade costs of $1000
 
2022-08-10 6:30:22 AM  
Driver was playing Carmageddon on the entertainment system.
 
2022-08-10 6:31:16 AM  
I love where he says it's the "worst commercial software" he's ever seen.  That tells me he's even more full of shiat than Elon Musk, and I didn't think that was possible.  Although it may also be the first and only commercial software he's seen, in which case he's telling the truth.
 
2022-08-10 6:33:26 AM  

Warthog: I am not a Tesla fanboi, very much the opposite.   But replies to the post in the twitter thread suggest the self driving mode wasn't activated at the time, or at least not properly.  Does anyone with knowledge of how Teslas work have an ability to fact check this?


Pretty sure the producers of that video were concerned with one thing, and one thing only: getting a big payday.
 
2022-08-10 6:34:42 AM  

Parthenogenetic: jakedata: Oh come on, that mannequin was totally fake looking. You need a real kid out there for it to be a fair test. No Tesla is going to slam on the brakes for a dummy.

Elon's got a bunch of spare kids.

It would really boost customer, investor, and regulator confidence if he used one of his for a live subject test. And if it doesn't work out, he'll make more.


Do we know for sure that he hasn't already done this?
I mean, it would explain why they're named like crash dummies.
Has somebody been keeping track of X Æ A-1 through 11?
 
2022-08-10 6:56:50 AM  

dyhchong: Warthog: I am not a Tesla fanboi, very much the opposite.   But replies to the post in the twitter thread suggest the self driving mode wasn't activated at the time, or at least not properly.  Does anyone with knowledge of how Teslas work have an ability to fact check this?

I scrolled through lots of replies and saw one that said, 'we can't see if it's activated'.

I did see another that suggested that the Tesla know's it's not a person because it's a cardboard cut out but... Should they be nailing cardboard in the street? If I saw a huge cardboard box in the street my first instinct wouldn't be "hit it dead on".

Can you elaborate on the plural of replies?


These:
Fark user imageView Full Size

The one re no blue lines

And
Fark user imageView Full Size

Claiming turned on too late

Fark user imageView Full Size

Lines supposed to be blue?

Fark user imageView Full Size

No blue steering wheel.

There's more like this.  I have no idea if a Tesla would show these things, or should.   I drive a thirsty turbocharged sport SUV and will go electric only when forced.  I think Elon is a douche.  And I want this to be real.  But I lack enough information to evaluate it.  Hence my ask.
 
2022-08-10 7:09:55 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Chief Superintendent Lookout: In before the Tesla bros and other clowns who believe autonomous vehicles "are just a few years away".  Autonomous vehicles being a "few years away" are the new "fusion energy in about 20 years".

Ah, but you ignore the obvious fact that Elon's gonna revolutionize autonomous vehicles through the power of the Blockchain!

/Chessmate!


You laugh, but... https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-wants-to-make-twitter-maximum-fun-heres-what-cathie-wood-anthony-scaramucci-and-sam-bankman-fried-are-saying-11651176869

TLDR: Elon is going to fix Twitter with blockchain.

Bankman-Fried said the ideal version of Twitter in his view is when every tweet is stored in a blockchain. "That's where they live rather than sort of guarded by Twitter," Bankman-Fried said in a panel on Wednesday.
 
2022-08-10 7:22:01 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I love where he says it's the "worst commercial software" he's ever seen.  That tells me he's even more full of shiat than Elon Musk, and I didn't think that was possible.  Although it may also be the first and only commercial software he's seen, in which case he's telling the truth.


Ah, but you didn't look far enough. See, that guy is Dan O'Dowd, founder of The Dawn Project, the organization behind this shocking expose. You may never have heard of The Dawn Project, but its primary mission is to make computers safe for humanity by demanding software that never fails and can't be hacked. This is accomplished, going by their currently active campaigns, primarily by attacking Tesla and Elon Musk, since no other major manufacturer of vehicles or other products that use software has any issues with said software and certainly there are no major airline manufacturers that would need this sort of attention based on recent performance. But one must trust that Dan O'Dowd knows exactly what he is doing, because he is, according to his own biography, "the world's leading expert in creating software that never fails and can't be hacked."

That's right, folks. The world's leading expert. Finally, someone to lead the fight.
 
2022-08-10 7:28:19 AM  
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2022-08-10 7:34:05 AM  
Well at least they were indiscriminate
 
2022-08-10 7:38:43 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Farking Clown Shoes: Chief Superintendent Lookout: In before the Tesla bros and other clowns who believe autonomous vehicles "are just a few years away".  Autonomous vehicles being a "few years away" are the new "fusion energy in about 20 years".

Ah, but you ignore the obvious fact that Elon's gonna revolutionize autonomous vehicles through the power of the Blockchain!

/Chessmate!

You laugh, but... https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-wants-to-make-twitter-maximum-fun-heres-what-cathie-wood-anthony-scaramucci-and-sam-bankman-fried-are-saying-11651176869

TLDR: Elon is going to fix Twitter with blockchain.

Bankman-Fried said the ideal version of Twitter in his view is when every tweet is stored in a blockchain. "That's where they live rather than sort of guarded by Twitter," Bankman-Fried said in a panel on Wednesday.


Hey, thanks for pointing out the exact thing I was alluding to - after I posted, I was worried people wouldn't get it.

/I keed
 
2022-08-10 7:40:10 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Rapmaster2000: Farking Clown Shoes: Chief Superintendent Lookout: In before the Tesla bros and other clowns who believe autonomous vehicles "are just a few years away".  Autonomous vehicles being a "few years away" are the new "fusion energy in about 20 years".

Ah, but you ignore the obvious fact that Elon's gonna revolutionize autonomous vehicles through the power of the Blockchain!

/Chessmate!

You laugh, but... https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-wants-to-make-twitter-maximum-fun-heres-what-cathie-wood-anthony-scaramucci-and-sam-bankman-fried-are-saying-11651176869

TLDR: Elon is going to fix Twitter with blockchain.

Bankman-Fried said the ideal version of Twitter in his view is when every tweet is stored in a blockchain. "That's where they live rather than sort of guarded by Twitter," Bankman-Fried said in a panel on Wednesday.

Hey, thanks for pointing out the exact thing I was alluding to - after I posted, I was worried people wouldn't get it.

/I keed


The funniest thing about that article is that only Anthony Scaramucci says "Let's not get ahead of ourselves.  This deal might not happen."  The Mooch is the voice of wisdom in the crypto space.
 
2022-08-10 7:40:36 AM  

Warthog: dyhchong: Warthog: I am not a Tesla fanboi, very much the opposite.   But replies to the post in the twitter thread suggest the self driving mode wasn't activated at the time, or at least not properly.  Does anyone with knowledge of how Teslas work have an ability to fact check this?

I scrolled through lots of replies and saw one that said, 'we can't see if it's activated'.

I did see another that suggested that the Tesla know's it's not a person because it's a cardboard cut out but... Should they be nailing cardboard in the street? If I saw a huge cardboard box in the street my first instinct wouldn't be "hit it dead on".

Can you elaborate on the plural of replies?

These:
[Fark user image image 337x750]
The one re no blue lines

And
[Fark user image image 337x750]
Claiming turned on too late

[Fark user image image 337x750]
Lines supposed to be blue?

[Fark user image image 337x750]
No blue steering wheel.

There's more like this.  I have no idea if a Tesla would show these things, or should.   I drive a thirsty turbocharged sport SUV and will go electric only when forced.  I think Elon is a douche.  And I want this to be real.  But I lack enough information to evaluate it.  Hence my ask.


Tesla owner here. Just based on what you posted they are probably right. The test is suspect as the standard Tesla software paints the road blue and shows a blue steering wheel when using the steering assistant features.

Now granted: I don't have the FSD beta yet. I signed up for it but likely I drive too aggressively in Dallas to get it anytime soon. But what I've seen of it, it should have the same setup.  The whole point of the FSD beta is to train the thing in the real world so they use the best drivers to babysit it to learn and avoid things like hitting kids.

I try to avoid these threads because Musk lives rent free in fark's head for some reason. As though other billionaires aren't massive douchebags.

I won't defend him because he is an asshole but the FUD about the cars is ridiculous.
 
2022-08-10 7:43:01 AM  

qorkfiend: "Supposed to be" will be very comforting to the people the car runs over


Distracted driving. It's a crime.

If you're at the wheel and are not paying attention, when you run someone over, don't blame the stupid car.
 
2022-08-10 7:45:11 AM  
I'm old - too old to trust self-driving car software thus i plan to walk or bike everywhere instead.
Now it appears I'm destined to die being run over by the technology I plan to shun.

F**k you, 21st century. F**k you very muchly!
 
2022-08-10 7:47:32 AM  

cfreak: Warthog: dyhchong: Warthog: I am not a Tesla fanboi, very much the opposite.   But replies to the post in the twitter thread suggest the self driving mode wasn't activated at the time, or at least not properly.  Does anyone with knowledge of how Teslas work have an ability to fact check this?

I scrolled through lots of replies and saw one that said, 'we can't see if it's activated'.

I did see another that suggested that the Tesla know's it's not a person because it's a cardboard cut out but... Should they be nailing cardboard in the street? If I saw a huge cardboard box in the street my first instinct wouldn't be "hit it dead on".

Can you elaborate on the plural of replies?

These:
[Fark user image image 337x750]
The one re no blue lines

And
[Fark user image image 337x750]
Claiming turned on too late

[Fark user image image 337x750]
Lines supposed to be blue?

[Fark user image image 337x750]
No blue steering wheel.

There's more like this.  I have no idea if a Tesla would show these things, or should.   I drive a thirsty turbocharged sport SUV and will go electric only when forced.  I think Elon is a douche.  And I want this to be real.  But I lack enough information to evaluate it.  Hence my ask.

Tesla owner here. Just based on what you posted they are probably right. The test is suspect as the standard Tesla software paints the road blue and shows a blue steering wheel when using the steering assistant features.

Now granted: I don't have the FSD beta yet. I signed up for it but likely I drive too aggressively in Dallas to get it anytime soon. But what I've seen of it, it should have the same setup.  The whole point of the FSD beta is to train the thing in the real world so they use the best drivers to babysit it to learn and avoid things like hitting kids.

I try to avoid these threads because Musk lives rent free in fark's head for some reason. As though other billionaires aren't massive douchebags.

I won't defend him because he is an asshole but the FUD about the cars is ridiculous.


Thanks, that makes sense.  I'm currently in Germany driving a rented Lynk & Co, a Swedish / Chinese hybrid small SUV.  It has adaptive cruise control and lane assist, and does a credible job holding a lane and dealing with traffic on the Autobahn.  But take it into an environment where there are no painted lane markings or car ahead and it's lost.  That's the thing about Teslas that I just don't believe -- that they claim the car can drive itself on any street.  There are so many variables, and so many threat vectors, i can't see it becoming fully autonomous for at least a decade.  My sole problem with the vehicles is Musk's carnival busker boasting about them.  They're fine vehicles, but by over-selling the driver assistance features to be at a place They're not he's going to get people killed.
 
2022-08-10 7:49:11 AM  

batlock666: Driver was playing Carmageddon on the entertainment system.


"I WAS IN THE WAR! I WAS IN THE WAR!"
 
2022-08-10 7:50:16 AM  
If those mannequins had just complied with the car's orders, they wouldn't have gotten hit. I'll wait to judge until the Whole Story comes out.
 
2022-08-10 7:57:12 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I love where he says it's the "worst commercial software" he's ever seen.  That tells me he's even more full of shiat than Elon Musk, and I didn't think that was possible.  Although it may also be the first and only commercial software he's seen, in which case he's telling the truth.


Guy's never tried to book an airline flight, I see.
 
2022-08-10 7:59:22 AM  

Warthog: cfreak: Warthog: dyhchong: Warthog: I am not a Tesla fanboi, very much the opposite.   But replies to the post in the twitter thread suggest the self driving mode wasn't activated at the time, or at least not properly.  Does anyone with knowledge of how Teslas work have an ability to fact check this?

I scrolled through lots of replies and saw one that said, 'we can't see if it's activated'.

I did see another that suggested that the Tesla know's it's not a person because it's a cardboard cut out but... Should they be nailing cardboard in the street? If I saw a huge cardboard box in the street my first instinct wouldn't be "hit it dead on".

Can you elaborate on the plural of replies?

These:
[Fark user image image 337x750]
The one re no blue lines

And
[Fark user image image 337x750]
Claiming turned on too late

[Fark user image image 337x750]
Lines supposed to be blue?

[Fark user image image 337x750]
No blue steering wheel.

There's more like this.  I have no idea if a Tesla would show these things, or should.   I drive a thirsty turbocharged sport SUV and will go electric only when forced.  I think Elon is a douche.  And I want this to be real.  But I lack enough information to evaluate it.  Hence my ask.

Tesla owner here. Just based on what you posted they are probably right. The test is suspect as the standard Tesla software paints the road blue and shows a blue steering wheel when using the steering assistant features.

Now granted: I don't have the FSD beta yet. I signed up for it but likely I drive too aggressively in Dallas to get it anytime soon. But what I've seen of it, it should have the same setup.  The whole point of the FSD beta is to train the thing in the real world so they use the best drivers to babysit it to learn and avoid things like hitting kids.

I try to avoid these threads because Musk lives rent free in fark's head for some reason. As though other billionaires aren't massive douchebags.

I won't defend him because he is an asshole but t ...


I believe there's a YouTube of a FSD Tesla trying to navigate a street in downtown Boston(?), and failing miserably when faced with delivery trucks, coned off construction and such.
Full Self Driving, my ass...
 
2022-08-10 7:59:28 AM  
Cars are still the problem. We need fewer of them on fewer roads or the deaths, which are at an all time high, will only keep going up. It's psychotic.
 
2022-08-10 8:01:20 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I love where he says it's the "worst commercial software" he's ever seen.  That tells me he's even more full of shiat than Elon Musk, and I didn't think that was possible.  Although it may also be the first and only commercial software he's seen, in which case he's telling the truth.


It's a for-profit research firm funded by venture capitalists that invest in aftermarket automotive parts, laser optical systems for cars, and self-driving software. I know we've got a massive hate boner for Tesla, but that seems like a teensy conflict of interest.
 
2022-08-10 8:22:53 AM  
Come to think of it, bollards are roughly child-sized as well.
 
2022-08-10 8:26:49 AM  

Warthog: cfreak: Warthog: dyhchong: Warthog: I am not a Tesla fanboi, very much the opposite.   But replies to the post in the twitter thread suggest the self driving mode wasn't activated at the time, or at least not properly.  Does anyone with knowledge of how Teslas work have an ability to fact check this?

I scrolled through lots of replies and saw one that said, 'we can't see if it's activated'.

I did see another that suggested that the Tesla know's it's not a person because it's a cardboard cut out but... Should they be nailing cardboard in the street? If I saw a huge cardboard box in the street my first instinct wouldn't be "hit it dead on".

Can you elaborate on the plural of replies?

These:
[Fark user image image 337x750]
The one re no blue lines

And
[Fark user image image 337x750]
Claiming turned on too late

[Fark user image image 337x750]
Lines supposed to be blue?

[Fark user image image 337x750]
No blue steering wheel.

There's more like this.  I have no idea if a Tesla would show these things, or should.   I drive a thirsty turbocharged sport SUV and will go electric only when forced.  I think Elon is a douche.  And I want this to be real.  But I lack enough information to evaluate it.  Hence my ask.

Tesla owner here. Just based on what you posted they are probably right. The test is suspect as the standard Tesla software paints the road blue and shows a blue steering wheel when using the steering assistant features.

Now granted: I don't have the FSD beta yet. I signed up for it but likely I drive too aggressively in Dallas to get it anytime soon. But what I've seen of it, it should have the same setup.  The whole point of the FSD beta is to train the thing in the real world so they use the best drivers to babysit it to learn and avoid things like hitting kids.

I try to avoid these threads because Musk lives rent free in fark's head for some reason. As though other billionaires aren't massive douchebags.

I won't defend him because he is an asshole but the FUD about the cars is ridiculous.

Thanks, that makes sense.  I'm currently in Germany driving a rented Lynk & Co, a Swedish / Chinese hybrid small SUV.  It has adaptive cruise control and lane assist, and does a credible job holding a lane and dealing with traffic on the Autobahn.  But take it into an environment where there are no painted lane markings or car ahead and it's lost.  That's the thing about Teslas that I just don't believe -- that they claim the car can drive itself on any street.  There are so many variables, and so many threat vectors, i can't see it becoming fully autonomous for at least a decade.  My sole problem with the vehicles is Musk's carnival busker boasting about them.  They're fine vehicles, but by over-selling the driver assistance features to be at a place They're not he's going to get people killed.


One thing I fault Musk on is that he thinks he can do everything himself and doesn't always surround himself with experts. Clearly marketing is a thing he should have a department for.

That said the standard lane keep and speed assist (auto pilot) in current Teslas is damn good.  I've tried systems on other cars and they feel like the 2016 version of the Tesla software where the current software on my car can react to speed limit signs, stop for lights and stop signs and handles bad or missing lines really well. Is it perfect? No. But the car also nags you to pay attention.

The FSD beta takes it to the next level by adding more neural network stuff and making paths around obstacles. And again it's not perfect but they are making it learn.

And whether it's Tesla, Mercedes, Waymo, Apple, or someone else: FSD is coming regardless of whose approach "wins".  None of them will be perfect, all of them will probably kills some people.

But we've collectively decided that 40k people killed by human drivers every year is fine so we will accept collateral damage in FSD systems as well. The good news is FSD systems will cause that number to go down. The bad news is the reason FSD is coming is so big companies can get rid of a lot of professional drivers. Never underestimate the ingenuity of rich people trying to save a few more dollars.
 
2022-08-10 8:32:23 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Farking Clown Shoes: Chief Superintendent Lookout: In before the Tesla bros and other clowns who believe autonomous vehicles "are just a few years away".  Autonomous vehicles being a "few years away" are the new "fusion energy in about 20 years".

Ah, but you ignore the obvious fact that Elon's gonna revolutionize autonomous vehicles through the power of the Blockchain!

/Chessmate!

You laugh, but... https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-wants-to-make-twitter-maximum-fun-heres-what-cathie-wood-anthony-scaramucci-and-sam-bankman-fried-are-saying-11651176869

TLDR: Elon is going to fix Twitter with blockchain.

Bankman-Fried said the ideal version of Twitter in his view is when every tweet is stored in a blockchain. "That's where they live rather than sort of guarded by Twitter," Bankman-Fried said in a panel on Wednesday.


Well, if every tweet was on a block chain, after a while on 6 tweets per second could be created, which would definitely improve Twitter.
 
2022-08-10 8:36:14 AM  

cfreak: Warthog: dyhchong: Warthog: I am not a Tesla fanboi, very much the opposite.   But replies to the post in the twitter thread suggest the self driving mode wasn't activated at the time, or at least not properly.  Does anyone with knowledge of how Teslas work have an ability to fact check this?

I scrolled through lots of replies and saw one that said, 'we can't see if it's activated'.

I did see another that suggested that the Tesla know's it's not a person because it's a cardboard cut out but... Should they be nailing cardboard in the street? If I saw a huge cardboard box in the street my first instinct wouldn't be "hit it dead on".

Can you elaborate on the plural of replies?

These:
[Fark user image image 337x750]
The one re no blue lines

And
[Fark user image image 337x750]
Claiming turned on too late

[Fark user image image 337x750]
Lines supposed to be blue?

[Fark user image image 337x750]
No blue steering wheel.

There's more like this.  I have no idea if a Tesla would show these things, or should.   I drive a thirsty turbocharged sport SUV and will go electric only when forced.  I think Elon is a douche.  And I want this to be real.  But I lack enough information to evaluate it.  Hence my ask.

Tesla owner here. Just based on what you posted they are probably right. The test is suspect as the standard Tesla software paints the road blue and shows a blue steering wheel when using the steering assistant features.

Now granted: I don't have the FSD beta yet. I signed up for it but likely I drive too aggressively in Dallas to get it anytime soon. But what I've seen of it, it should have the same setup.  The whole point of the FSD beta is to train the thing in the real world so they use the best drivers to babysit it to learn and avoid things like hitting kids.

I try to avoid these threads because Musk lives rent free in fark's head for some reason. As though other billionaires aren't massive douchebags.

I won't defend him because he is an asshole but the FUD about the cars is ridiculous.


When do Farkers* claim that other billionaires aren't assholes? Or do you think that other billionaires being assholes means it's ok for Musk to be an asshole?

*Not including idiot fanbois, of which the most seem to prefer Musk.
 
2022-08-10 8:40:03 AM  

Nullav: Come to think of it, bollards are roughly child-sized as well.


And now the news for bollards: No bollards were run over by a Tesla today. A human was run over, but no bollards.
 
2022-08-10 8:47:30 AM  

Flowery Twats: Warthog: cfreak: Warthog: dyhchong: Warthog: I am not a Tesla fanboi, very much the opposite.   But replies to the post in the twitter thread suggest the self driving mode wasn't activated at the time, or at least not properly.  Does anyone with knowledge of how Teslas work have an ability to fact check this?

I scrolled through lots of replies and saw one that said, 'we can't see if it's activated'.

I did see another that suggested that the Tesla know's it's not a person because it's a cardboard cut out but... Should they be nailing cardboard in the street? If I saw a huge cardboard box in the street my first instinct wouldn't be "hit it dead on".

Can you elaborate on the plural of replies?

These:
[Fark user image image 337x750]
The one re no blue lines

And
[Fark user image image 337x750]
Claiming turned on too late

[Fark user image image 337x750]
Lines supposed to be blue?

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No blue steering wheel.

There's more like this.  I have no idea if a Tesla would show these things, or should.   I drive a thirsty turbocharged sport SUV and will go electric only when forced.  I think Elon is a douche.  And I want this to be real.  But I lack enough information to evaluate it.  Hence my ask.

Tesla owner here. Just based on what you posted they are probably right. The test is suspect as the standard Tesla software paints the road blue and shows a blue steering wheel when using the steering assistant features.

Now granted: I don't have the FSD beta yet. I signed up for it but likely I drive too aggressively in Dallas to get it anytime soon. But what I've seen of it, it should have the same setup.  The whole point of the FSD beta is to train the thing in the real world so they use the best drivers to babysit it to learn and avoid things like hitting kids.

I try to avoid these threads because Musk lives rent free in fark's head for some reason. As though other billionaires aren't massive douchebags.

I won't defend him because he is an asshole but t ...

I believe there's a YouTube of a FSD Tesla trying to navigate a street in downtown Boston(?), and failing miserably when faced with delivery trucks, coned off construction and such.
Full Self Driving, my ass...


Yep, I've seen that video and would love to post it in threads for the fanbois who claim Tesla's software is "teh awesome!!!".

Robert C. Martin aka "Uncle Bob", had said it may not be 50 years until true autonomous driving is possible, and even then there are doubts.  The fanbois don't want to hear it, but there are severe limits to the chips and other hardware installed in Telsa vehicles.
 
2022-08-10 8:47:38 AM  
They skipped LIDAR to save money.  Years later, you can get LIDAR in a Cracker Jack box.
 
2022-08-10 8:58:46 AM  
Would like to know more.
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2022-08-10 9:10:06 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: cfreak: Warthog: dyhchong: Warthog: I am not a Tesla fanboi, very much the opposite.   But replies to the post in the twitter thread suggest the self driving mode wasn't activated at the time, or at least not properly.  Does anyone with knowledge of how Teslas work have an ability to fact check this?

I scrolled through lots of replies and saw one that said, 'we can't see if it's activated'.

I did see another that suggested that the Tesla know's it's not a person because it's a cardboard cut out but... Should they be nailing cardboard in the street? If I saw a huge cardboard box in the street my first instinct wouldn't be "hit it dead on".

Can you elaborate on the plural of replies?

These:
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The one re no blue lines

And
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Claiming turned on too late

[Fark user image image 337x750]
Lines supposed to be blue?

[Fark user image image 337x750]
No blue steering wheel.

There's more like this.  I have no idea if a Tesla would show these things, or should.   I drive a thirsty turbocharged sport SUV and will go electric only when forced.  I think Elon is a douche.  And I want this to be real.  But I lack enough information to evaluate it.  Hence my ask.

Tesla owner here. Just based on what you posted they are probably right. The test is suspect as the standard Tesla software paints the road blue and shows a blue steering wheel when using the steering assistant features.

Now granted: I don't have the FSD beta yet. I signed up for it but likely I drive too aggressively in Dallas to get it anytime soon. But what I've seen of it, it should have the same setup.  The whole point of the FSD beta is to train the thing in the real world so they use the best drivers to babysit it to learn and avoid things like hitting kids.

I try to avoid these threads because Musk lives rent free in fark's head for some reason. As though other billionaires aren't massive douchebags.

I won't defend him because he is an asshole but the FUD about the cars is ridiculous.

When do Farkers* claim that other billionaires aren't assholes? Or do you think that other billionaires being assholes means it's ok for Musk to be an asshole?

*Not including idiot fanbois, of which the most seem to prefer Musk.


It's not ok for anyone to be an asshole.

And sure we disparage others but there are 4 headlines on the business tab alone regarding Musk or Tesla over the past few days.  I don't see any headline for any of the other usual suspects. This doesn't count the comments anytime there's even a mention of cars.

It feels a lot like Apple vs. Android. Where the haters of Apple are far more annoying and more prevalent than fanboys. It almost always devolves into "stop liking what I don't like!"

Like I said though, I avoid these threads because I'll most likely be labeled a fanboy too. Whatever, I like the car and while Musk is a giant asshole, if I stopped buying things from assholes I'd probably have to go live in a commune off the grid somewhere.
 
2022-08-10 9:10:13 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Warthog: I am not a Tesla fanboi, very much the opposite.   But replies to the post in the twitter thread suggest the self driving mode wasn't activated at the time, or at least not properly.  Does anyone with knowledge of how Teslas work have an ability to fact check this?

Pretty sure the producers of that video were concerned with one thing, and one thing only: getting a big payday.


I did not see them asking for any money.

If the "self driving" mode is a problem, then it's only proper to ask that it should be corrected.
I think most of the problem is how it it advertised. It's "self driving", but still needs to be closely monitored by the driver.
But people are being morons, and just letting the car do it's own thing.
 
2022-08-10 9:11:54 AM  
This is why there will never be self driving vehicles. It's not the tech, but the people.
Even with humans driving people are killed every hour of every day. Why?

Computers and software work with what they have been taught and programmed. Street signs, locations, traffic signals, road markings, speed and timing. Some of the better software can try to guess what is going to happen, but not very well.
They work best with predictable situations. Humans are VERY unpredictable, which is why they kill so many of each other with their cars. 7,485 pedestrians were hit and killed by cars with other people at the wheel in 2021, a 40 year high.

If humans cannot deal with other humans unpredictability, asking a machine to do it is stupid. Consider one of the FARK threads from yesterday, where a woman drove her car through an intersection against the light at over 80 mph, killing 5 people. Could any computer algorithm predict that level of crazy? Could any human?

What are needed are dedicated roads for these vehicles and minimal human control of the vehicle.
Take the people out of the equation as much as possible both inside and outside of the vehicle.
No technology will ever overcome the stupidity of the human species.
 
2022-08-10 9:12:58 AM  
Self-driving cars will not be isolated from the environment they are in. The whole city will be networked, including all people and pets. Cars won't need to know the difference between a child and a trash can and a shrub, because it will know the difference between mapped and unidentified objects and networked and unidentified objects in motion.
 
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