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(The Hill)   In September the Senate will vote again on the $35 insulin copay law. Make them pay   (thehill.com) divider line
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2022-08-10 7:08:14 AM  
Walmart sells a brand of insulin for $26/vial. Insulin has been around long enough it should be much cheaper but there are discounted brands out there.
 
2022-08-10 7:25:53 AM  
Republicans really do seem to like hurting people.
 
2022-08-10 7:25:55 AM  
Not only do drug companies get richer with drug costs, but so does our group insurance provider, i.e gofundme, when people have to beg others to survive.

Ain't capitalism great?
 
2022-08-10 7:27:16 AM  
Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.
 
2022-08-10 7:28:18 AM  

soopey: Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.


And yet guns are cheap and readily available....
 
2022-08-10 7:30:20 AM  

soopey: Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.


Well, that obviously just means you Canadians are...poor's.  You can't afford market rate.  Hard to build an economy on never pelt ad moose chips these days.  Us Americans look down own you.


/S
//Pains me I had to denote the sarcasm
/// One more for my love of poutine
 
2022-08-10 7:30:24 AM  

Lee451: Walmart sells a brand of insulin for $26/vial. Insulin has been around long enough it should be much cheaper but there are discounted brands out there.


A lot of the faster acting/better formulations of insulin are held behind patents or otherwise aren't available as generics.

You can probably get by on Walmart insulin, but it's not the safest or best by any means.
 
2022-08-10 7:33:12 AM  

soopey: Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.


Because it's not just maple syrup and mullet lube.
 
2022-08-10 7:35:34 AM  

tolallorti: Lee451: Walmart sells a brand of insulin for $26/vial. Insulin has been around long enough it should be much cheaper but there are discounted brands out there.

A lot of the faster acting/better formulations of insulin are held behind patents or otherwise aren't available as generics.

You can probably get by on Walmart insulin, but it's not the safest or best by any means.


This. We used it for our cat.
 
2022-08-10 7:36:26 AM  
While they are at it , they should expand Medicare negotiating drug prices from 10 drugs in this current law to all drugs.
 
2022-08-10 7:36:43 AM  

soopey: Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.


The American consumer is paying for all the R&D for the world with out prices on drugs.  It is about time the rest of the world pay their fair share.  This sounds like a very easy topic for Republicans to make their own.
 
2022-08-10 7:37:45 AM  
They should bring this up every week until the election. Really rub the GQP's nose in it.
 
2022-08-10 7:39:50 AM  
Republicans? Give the Democrats a Win? Lol

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2022-08-10 7:40:23 AM  
I've noticed something. When Republicans have votes on bills that make Democrats look bad by voting against it, the bills are ceremonial and symbolic wastes of time and taxpayer money to hold. It's usually a non-binding resolution like making English the official language or declaring Jesus the basis of U.S. law. Pure partisan politics and an abuse of their power in office, using government resources and process to promote a political agenda. Meanwhile when the Democrats have votes on bills that make Republicans look bad, it's usually a coincidence and due to GOP hyper-partisanship. It is also on bills for healthcare for veterans dying from consequences of burn pits and making insulin affordable for diabetics.

Both sides are not equally bad, and this needs to be made known to all.
 
2022-08-10 7:41:27 AM  

buster_v: They should bring this up every week until the election. Really rub the GQP's nose in it.


Yeah, especially since the GQP is probably going to be stuck on yelling for the FBI and DOJ to be disbanded for daring to raid Mar-a-Lago.  The distinction between the two parties couldn't be clearer: the Democratic Party wants to try to do things to help you, the Republican Party wants to remove the final few guard rails keeping Donald Trump from ruling as dictator.
 
2022-08-10 7:42:34 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Republicans? Give the Democrats a Win? Lol

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That's a really bad pic of John Boehner.
 
2022-08-10 7:46:56 AM  

sleze: soopey: Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.

The American consumer is paying for all the R&D for the world with out prices on drugs.  It is about time the rest of the world pay their fair share.  This sounds like a very easy topic for Republicans to make their own.


Was this one a joke? Its hard to tell nowadays
 
2022-08-10 7:48:33 AM  
You know what the Republicans can do to redeem themselves here. Make insulin free. That'd be a game changer. Picture Ted Cruz going "I got your dark Brandon right here" while grabbing his rock hard and extremely malformed wang
 
2022-08-10 7:48:49 AM  
Make them pay the Tuesday after the first Monday in November. And every even numbered year in November after this.
 
2022-08-10 7:49:00 AM  

stoli n coke: soopey: Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.

Because it's not just maple syrup and mullet lube.


Mullet lube is my Gordon Lightfoot cover band name.
 
2022-08-10 7:49:31 AM  

J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: You know what the Republicans can do to redeem themselves here. Make insulin free. That'd be a game changer. Picture Ted Cruz going "I got your dark Brandon right here" while grabbing his rock hard and extremely malformed wang


Well, I guess I didn't need that breakfast after all.
 
2022-08-10 7:50:17 AM  
What I don't understand is that this is the exact same situation as the Veterans Burn Pits fiasco.  Republicans said they were all for supporting the military any way possible, then they tried to f*rk them over with the no vote on Burn Pit assistance.  Awareness was made on how incredibly stupid they were for going against such legislation and they backtracked big-time.

Same thing now.  This legislation is a no-brainer.  The ONLY reason Republicans downvoted it is because it's happening under a Democrat Presidency, House, and Senate.  They need to be reminded, hourly, just how many of their constituents use insulin and shamed into oblivion up to the next vote.
 
2022-08-10 7:50:23 AM  

gaspode: sleze: soopey: Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.

The American consumer is paying for all the R&D for the world with out prices on drugs.  It is about time the rest of the world pay their fair share.  This sounds like a very easy topic for Republicans to make their own.

Was this one a joke? Its hard to tell nowadays


Some people, like "libertarians" seem to convince themselves things like this are their deeply held, reasonable beliefs.
 
2022-08-10 7:59:46 AM  
In my day, we made our own insulin out of proteins we found around our pancreas. Now, these lazy millennials just want to have the government provide it to them with mah taxes.
 
2022-08-10 8:00:41 AM  
In reality they should push for that cost to be lower. MINIMUM WAGE in this country is $7.25 per hour. So someone working a shiat job that needs $35 insulin is over half a day into their shift before covering their medical cost. And if you're using a vial a week, that's over two days wages a month just to live.
 
2022-08-10 8:01:12 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: What I don't understand is that this is the exact same situation as the Veterans Burn Pits fiasco.  Republicans said they were all for supporting the military any way possible, then they tried to f*rk them over with the no vote on Burn Pit assistance.  Awareness was made on how incredibly stupid they were for going against such legislation and they backtracked big-time.

Same thing now.  This legislation is a no-brainer.  The ONLY reason Republicans downvoted it is because it's happening under a Democrat Presidency, House, and Senate.  They need to be reminded, hourly, just how many of their constituents use insulin and shamed into oblivion up to the next vote.


All evidence points to the fact that Republicans enjoy sticking their dicks in meat grinders. I guess I shouldn't kink shame.
 
2022-08-10 8:05:47 AM  

J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: In reality they should push for that cost to be lower. MINIMUM WAGE in this country is $7.25 per hour. So someone working a shiat job that needs $35 insulin is over half a day into their shift before covering their medical cost. And if you're using a vial a week, that's over two days wages a month just to live.


This alone is a strong argument for socialized medicine. The normal rules of supply and demand do not apply to medical care.
 
2022-08-10 8:06:23 AM  
I know (most) Democrats want to pass sweeping legislation, but these types of cut and dry bills should be their primary focus while the Senate is so split. Just bury the Republicans by showing how awful they are to the American people.
 
2022-08-10 8:10:06 AM  

stoli n coke: soopey: Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.

Because it's not just maple syrup and mullet lube.


I'm pretty sure the Walmart version is.
 
2022-08-10 8:12:09 AM  
If you want make a free-market capitalist Republican sweat, ask him to explain why Medicare and Medicaid aren't allowed to source their pharmaceuticals through a bidding process.

Republicans claim to be all about free market economics, yet one of the principles of free market economics is that buyers who place large orders from suppliers are in a good negotiating position to haggle for lower prices, because the supplier benefits from holding a contract for a huge order by being able to make long term plans and by being able to negotiate lower prices for their raw materials, again by placing large orders.
 
2022-08-10 8:12:11 AM  
I only pay $10 a vial, but that's only after my deductible is met.  Otherwise, it's over $50 a vial.  It's the only medication I have like that.  The rest are straight copay amounts, like $2 or less each.  The cost should be capped for those without insurance.
 
2022-08-10 8:17:03 AM  
Let's all remember that $35 is still stupid expensive, compared to what it should be.
 
2022-08-10 8:17:05 AM  

Weaver95: soopey: Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.

And yet guns are cheap and readily available....


So what you are saying is we should add insulin to the bullets to make injection cheaper?
 
2022-08-10 8:24:48 AM  
I spent all of 2019 putting 3 vials of ReliOn Novolin-R into my pump each month. For about 2 months, everything was going fine. Then slowly, the dosages "didn't make sense". What would normally take 8u to balance me out now took 13-16 units. Sometimes. Sometimes the 8u would be enough. This got worse around month 7-8. My basal rate (I've got 6) went from averaging 1.7u/hour to over 3.5u/hour. None of my dosages, rates, and ratios made any coherent sense by the end of the year. I had just ditched my pump by the end of the year & started doing MDI (a LOT of MDI... (Multiple Daily Injections))

I didn't die.

ReliOn insulin has its place. It's inexpensive, it's readily available, and it's great in a pinch, but you absolutely do not want to have to rely on it as your sole source of insulin.

/Type-1
//Normally use Humalog/Novolog/Apidra
\three.  since I'm on my 3rd pump
 
2022-08-10 8:50:43 AM  

Lee451: Walmart sells a brand of insulin for $26/vial. Insulin has been around long enough it should be much cheaper but there are discounted brands out there.


I'd rather die than walk into Walmart.
 
2022-08-10 8:51:46 AM  

Lee451: Walmart sells a brand of insulin for $26/vial. Insulin has been around long enough it should be much cheaper but there are discounted brands out there.


Unfortunately the newer engineered insulins are a case where the new and improved product is actually improved. Some of them will maintain glucose levels smoother for longer, sometimes up to a day. Whereas the old fashioned stuff has to be given up to several times a day.
 
2022-08-10 8:52:55 AM  

lilplatinum: Lee451: Walmart sells a brand of insulin for $26/vial. Insulin has been around long enough it should be much cheaper but there are discounted brands out there.

I'd rather die than walk into Walmart.


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2022-08-10 8:56:46 AM  
Meanwhile in the civilized world
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This is like with epi pens the government footed the bill for most of the development and the drug companies are gouging people
 
2022-08-10 9:03:29 AM  

sleze: soopey: Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.

The American consumer is paying for all the R&D for the world with out prices on drugs.  It is about time the rest of the world pay their fair share.  This sounds like a very easy topic for Republicans to make their own.


I have no idea if you're serious or not, but I can totally see someone floating that with straight face. That we're still paying off the development cost for medicine discovered in Toronto in 1921.
 
2022-08-10 9:23:52 AM  

LeftisRightisWrong: sleze: soopey: Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.

The American consumer is paying for all the R&D for the world with out prices on drugs.  It is about time the rest of the world pay their fair share.  This sounds like a very easy topic for Republicans to make their own.

I have no idea if you're serious or not, but I can totally see someone floating that with straight face. That we're still paying off the development cost for medicine discovered in Toronto in 1921.


Drug company accounting must be like Hollywood accounting, the drugs never make a profit for some reason.
 
2022-08-10 9:28:45 AM  

soopey: Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.


If you fall in the gap of having to pay for your drugs in Canada.  If you are too poor its free and if you have an employer drug plan or private plan (which most people do) they are also free.
 
2022-08-10 9:42:17 AM  

groppet: Meanwhile in the civilized world
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This is like with epi pens the government footed the bill for most of the development and the drug companies are gouging people


And with the $35 dollar cap, it's still more than twice as expensive as the highest of those examples. It's an improvement but goddamn we claim to be the leaders of the free world how about we act like it?
 
2022-08-10 9:56:54 AM  

Lee451: Walmart sells a brand of insulin for $26/vial. Insulin has been around long enough it should be much cheaper but there are discounted brands out there.


The choice of what medication one should use is between a person and their doctor (And insurance company but we'll ignore that for the moment). People should not be shunted into whatever is cheap, if it wont' work right, because Walmart is so gracious as to make a discounted brand available. This is not boner pills here - this is needed to live.
 
2022-08-10 10:02:07 AM  
I get Republicans are more than willing to trade lives for profit but they're really not thinking this through even with their twisted logic. Insulin is cheap to make. It's minor maintenance to keep your wage slave workforce producing. The costs of not doing it are high; death, disability hospitalizations, etc. This is like buying an expensive work truck and not changing the oil. It's just stupid.

Democrats should change the rhetoric a bit. Figure out how much (company paid) insurance premiums are raised due to insulin prices, how much secondary medical procedures due to insufficient insulin costs, do some quick calculations on the cost of missed work due to lack of or under treatment. Then start calling out large companies by name in purple states. Disney is paying an extra million a year because of the inflated prices, Ford and gm are paying 2 million etc. Get the other companies to turn on the drug manufacturers. If the majority of your big donors want it updated than it will weaken the drug lobby's power.

Meanwhile have the white house start floating around the idea that they'll be looking at anti trust enforcement related to the prices. Put pressure on all sides.
 
2022-08-10 10:10:51 AM  
Anything less than Universal Health Care is uncivilized.
 
2022-08-10 10:15:57 AM  

Weaver95: soopey: Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.

And yet guns are cheap and readily available....


My co-pay is $125 so it's impacting my ability to buy guns. I have good insurance. The insurance pays about $5000.
 
2022-08-10 10:23:13 AM  

SuburbanCowboy: Anything less than Universal Health Care is uncivilized.


Alternately, applying life saving services/commodities with an inelastic demand against a for profit, free market approach is really f$cking stupid.

Yes, uncivilized but primarily really f$cking stupid and very expensive.
 
2022-08-10 10:29:03 AM  

lilplatinum: Lee451: Walmart sells a brand of insulin for $26/vial. Insulin has been around long enough it should be much cheaper but there are discounted brands out there.

I'd rather die than walk into Walmart.


It's good for people watching. That "People of Walmart" site don't lie.
You'll really see the weirdest people there.
 
2022-08-10 10:34:53 AM  

LeftisRightisWrong: sleze: soopey: Insulin is literally 8 times more expensive in the United States as it is in Canada.

The American consumer is paying for all the R&D for the world with out prices on drugs.  It is about time the rest of the world pay their fair share.  This sounds like a very easy topic for Republicans to make their own.

I have no idea if you're serious or not, but I can totally see someone floating that with straight face. That we're still paying off the development cost for medicine discovered in Toronto in 1921.


It is absolutely a common argument pushed by the right wing to defend our extraordinarily high drug costs. I've been seeing it for many years. And the US does invent a lot of drugs, but it's more complicated than just claiming our high drug costs are why. One issue is that our tax dollars fund a hell of a lot of research, too, and obviously that could still happen if we control prices more. This article notes that US government funding contributed in some way to every single new drug that came to market from 2000 to 2019.

Oh, and large pharma companies had a net income of $1.9 trillion or 13.8% from 2000 to 2018, a similar percentage to other research driven companies and much higher than the S&P average of 7.7%.

This research paper, though an older one that looked at data from 1992 to 2004, found that "Higher prescription drug spending in the United States does not disproportionately privilege domestic innovation, and many countries with drug price regulation were significant contributors to pharmaceutical innovation." During George W. Bush's administration, the US government pushed other countries to have fewer drug prices controls, arguing that the US was paying for most of the development costs.

I suppose they could still argue that foreign drug companies also develop many more drugs than they would otherwise because they know they can make big money selling them in the US.
 
2022-08-10 10:37:56 AM  
Also... good. This is how you politic, Democrats. Republicans have once again done something awful. Focus on it. I only wish they made the vote closer to election day than September.
 
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