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2022-08-09 10:02:11 PM  
To declassify anything by the president requires a signature on something that has to remain in the national archives. It not just a magic phrase that can be said.
 
2022-08-09 10:05:18 PM  
I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY
 
2022-08-09 10:06:03 PM  
Trump attorney and former OAN host

The bottom of that poor barrel never stood a chance, IMHO.

/no, scrape up, stupid
 
2022-08-09 10:10:10 PM  
I DECLARE THE PEE TAPE TO BE FAKE!
 
2022-08-09 10:10:57 PM  
If they aren't classified, perhaps the Jan 6th committee could kindly give us a look at what was in those documents?
 
2022-08-09 10:14:15 PM  

eurotrader: To declassify anything by the president requires a signature on something that has to remain in the national archives. It not just a magic phrase that can be said.


Wellll... the president can sort of declassify *information* by saying it aloud publicly, essentially reading it into the record. Declassifying a document is a different story. Even if the information therein is all declassified, the document isn't declassified until the paperwork is done and the markings are updated.
 
2022-08-09 10:14:15 PM  
Whatever this is, I doubt that it is something the DOJ hasn't anticipated.
 
2022-08-09 10:16:22 PM  

incendi: the document isn't declassified until the paperwork is done and the markings are updated.


The end result of that is that even if Kash Patel's bullshiat story is true, all that happened is they received direction to declassify these documents... but never followed through and actually did that.
 
2022-08-09 11:49:10 PM  
"The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings, but that doesn't mean the information wasn't declassified," Kash Patel, a former staffer for Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) and, briefly, a Pentagon employee, told Breitbart in May.

Kinda sounds like, "Look, we TOLD you that the check is in the mail! It's not OUR fault that the mail is slow. I mean, technically, it is, but..."
 
2022-08-10 1:27:13 AM  

HighOnCraic: "The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings, but that doesn't mean the information wasn't declassified," Kash Patel, a former staffer for Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) and, briefly, a Pentagon employee, told Breitbart in May.

Kinda sounds like, "Look, we TOLD you that the check is in the mail! It's not OUR fault that the mail is slow. I mean, technically, it is, but..."


Great. Now we have secret declassification in addition to secret pardons.

Also why didn't Trump just give himself a secret pardon for all this stuff...or did he already?
 
2022-08-10 2:41:26 AM  
Regardless of whether the documents were classified or not, they were U.S. government property and TFG stole them. No organization would allow departing employees to take documents or work product home without permission regardless of whether the documents were confidential or not. They might politely ask for the documents back without involving law enforcement at first, but I'm pretty sure that if the request was ignored, the organization would pursue every legal option available to get their property back- and they most likely wouldn't wait over a year to do it.
 
2022-08-10 2:44:12 AM  

incendi: eurotrader: To declassify anything by the president requires a signature on something that has to remain in the national archives. It not just a magic phrase that can be said.

Wellll... the president can sort of declassify *information* by saying it aloud publicly, essentially reading it into the record. Declassifying a document is a different story. Even if the information therein is all declassified, the document isn't declassified until the paperwork is done and the markings are updated.


I guarantee dt neither understands or knows these things
 
2022-08-10 4:56:39 AM  

HighOnCraic: "The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings, but that doesn't mean the information wasn't declassified," Kash Patel, a former staffer for Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) and, briefly, a Pentagon employee, told Breitbart in May.

Kinda sounds like, "Look, we TOLD you that the check is in the mail! It's not OUR fault that the mail is slow. I mean, technically, it is, but..."


Kash Patel is a dickweed hack and known liar.
 
2022-08-10 6:42:19 AM  
Trump's lawyers are the kind of lawyers you get when you are notorious for lying to your lawyers and for not paying your lawyers.
 
2022-08-10 6:44:16 AM  

ralanprod: If they aren't classified, perhaps the Jan 6th committee could kindly give us a look at what was in those documents?


Don't worry. The only value they have is to the enemies of the USA.
 
2022-08-10 6:50:25 AM  
Without knowing what exactly the DOJ is doing and why, there's nothing to debate here. We don't know what the crime is, and we only have assumptions to go on.

Stands a high chance there's more in play here than simply the existence of documents. I'm going with "credible evidence of plans to use them for personal gain", because (gestures at TFG).
 
2022-08-10 6:51:41 AM  
I had a friend who worked in defense. After he died, his wife found boxes after boxes of marked CUI and classified material in his basement/office that NEVER should have been there and she reported it.  By the time they were found, there was nothing that was particularly damaging to national defense because the stuff was so old.  This guy was a career patriot and by no means a spy or anything...but if they were found while he was still alive, he'd have been in prison.

/working theory was that he was just working extra from home and was too lazy/forgot to bring shiat back to the office
//follow on investigation uncovered no money or shenanigans behind the scenes
 
2022-08-10 6:55:12 AM  

Boondock3806: Without knowing what exactly the DOJ is doing and why, there's nothing to debate here. We don't know what the crime is, and we only have assumptions to go on.

Stands a high chance there's more in play here than simply the existence of documents. I'm going with "credible evidence of plans to use them for personal gain", because (gestures at TFG).


How DARE you accuse a guy with the ethics of a honey badger, cash problems out the wazoo, and a known affinity for sucking up to enemies of the US of exploiting his access to serious shiat for personal gain.

HAVE YOU NO DECENCY, SIR!

/He was totally stocking up for when Putin could free up cash once those pesky sanctions were done!
 
2022-08-10 6:55:23 AM  
I realize he has to keep being told this, but he's not the President anymore.
 
2022-08-10 6:56:20 AM  

ralphjr: Regardless of whether the documents were classified or not, they were U.S. government property and TFG stole them. No organization would allow departing employees to take documents or work product home without permission regardless of whether the documents were confidential or not. They might politely ask for the documents back without involving law enforcement at first, but I'm pretty sure that if the request was ignored, the organization would pursue every legal option available to get their property back- and they most likely wouldn't wait over a year to do it.


And Donnie One Term is the guy who signed the law making taking those documents a felony.
 
2022-08-10 6:56:45 AM  
The #2 guy to the #1 guy at work, a Trump supporter, pointed this out to me. (Note: he brought it up on his own unsolicited.) I told him that if Trump went through the process and legally declassified them, then he has nothing to worry about. He did not seem to relived as neither are most Trump acolytes and sycophants seem to be when throwing that conclusion to the wall hoping it will stick. Reason being, they know Trump is a lazy farker, and with everything going on, it is most likely that Trump did nothing while still empowered as POTUS to declassify any of the documents. Odds are Trump's seizing of the documents was a last minute CYA grab done in haste once he realized he was actually going to have to leave office after his failed coup d'etat. I'm sure that the "cooperation" was handing back non-incriminating documents. Those seized probably are pretty damning, risking not just Trump but also his enablers in Congress. Which is the reason for the right wing meltdown. Between Alex Jones' phone and this, they know the gig is at risk of being up.
 
2022-08-10 6:57:08 AM  
Hmmm. What would a life-long, slovenly grifter, angler, and showman do with a bunch of classified documents? What could his intentions possibly be? The world may never know.
 
2022-08-10 6:57:17 AM  

incendi: eurotrader: To declassify anything by the president requires a signature on something that has to remain in the national archives. It not just a magic phrase that can be said.

Wellll... the president can sort of declassify *information* by saying it aloud publicly, essentially reading it into the record. Declassifying a document is a different story. Even if the information therein is all declassified, the document isn't declassified until the paperwork is done and the markings are updated.


Isn't that kinda what happened with the pentagon papers? It was read into the congressional record during a "committee meeting" by Mike Gravel if I recall?
 
2022-08-10 6:57:34 AM  

Skyfrog: I realize he has to keep being told this, but he's not the President anymore.


And even when he had the title, he ignored the duties, if he didn't betray them entirely.
 
2022-08-10 6:57:36 AM  

Boondock3806: Without knowing what exactly the DOJ is doing and why, there's nothing to debate here. We don't know what the crime is, and we only have assumptions to go on.

Stands a high chance there's more in play here than simply the existence of documents. I'm going with "credible evidence of plans to use them for personal gain", because (gestures at TFG).


Simply taking them from where they're supposed to be without permission is already a felony,
 
2022-08-10 6:59:18 AM  
Trump sure seems upset about being searched.
Hmm. I'm sure he's innocent tho, right? 🙄
 
2022-08-10 6:59:38 AM  

Aar1012: incendi: eurotrader: To declassify anything by the president requires a signature on something that has to remain in the national archives. It not just a magic phrase that can be said.

Wellll... the president can sort of declassify *information* by saying it aloud publicly, essentially reading it into the record. Declassifying a document is a different story. Even if the information therein is all declassified, the document isn't declassified until the paperwork is done and the markings are updated.

Isn't that kinda what happened with the pentagon papers? It was read into the congressional record during a "committee meeting" by Mike Gravel if I recall?


And, weirdly, "information" can be retroactively classified, even it it has already been published on the front page of the New York Times.

Just ask Hillary.
 
2022-08-10 6:59:44 AM  

aaronx: Whatever this is, I doubt that it is something the DOJ hasn't anticipated.


This line of defense has been trotted out ever since he left the White House and it's no less bullshiat today.
 
2022-08-10 7:00:23 AM  

stoli n coke: Boondock3806: Without knowing what exactly the DOJ is doing and why, there's nothing to debate here. We don't know what the crime is, and we only have assumptions to go on.

Stands a high chance there's more in play here than simply the existence of documents. I'm going with "credible evidence of plans to use them for personal gain", because (gestures at TFG).

Simply taking them from where they're supposed to be without permission is already a felony,


I know, but this long after the fact? Is that really the crime he's going down for? I mean, if it is, I'll take it. That just seems super odd to me.
 
2022-08-10 7:00:27 AM  
I DECLARE THESE NUDE PHOTOS OF ELEANOR ROOSEVELT TO BE MINE FOREVER!!!
 
2022-08-10 7:03:01 AM  

HighOnCraic: "The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings, but that doesn't mean the information wasn't declassified," Kash Patel, a former staffer for Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) and, briefly, a Pentagon employee, told Breitbart in May.

Kinda sounds like, "Look, we TOLD you that the check is in the mail! It's not OUR fault that the mail is slow. I mean, technically, it is, but..."


As the tacky bathroom wall hanging says "The jobs not over until the paperwork is done."
 
2022-08-10 7:07:39 AM  
Yeah, we can't trust this stupid beast with anything.

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2022-08-10 7:07:55 AM  
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2022-08-10 7:08:44 AM  

Boondock3806: stoli n coke: Boondock3806: Without knowing what exactly the DOJ is doing and why, there's nothing to debate here. We don't know what the crime is, and we only have assumptions to go on.

Stands a high chance there's more in play here than simply the existence of documents. I'm going with "credible evidence of plans to use them for personal gain", because (gestures at TFG).

Simply taking them from where they're supposed to be without permission is already a felony,

I know, but this long after the fact? Is that really the crime he's going down for? I mean, if it is, I'll take it. That just seems super odd to me.


"This long after the fact?" Some of y'all really need to up the dosage of your Ritalin.

You're trying to get a search warrant on the home of a former president. That has to go through a few more steps than getting a warrant on a crack house on skid row.

Also, taking their time allows the DOJ to say "we contacted him for more than a year, told him what was missing, and gave him repeated chances to return it." Helps their case.
 
2022-08-10 7:09:51 AM  

heavymetal: The #2 guy to the #1 guy at work,

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2022-08-10 7:10:42 AM  
They are really desperateto frame this as some measure of government overreach, that no crime was committed because as president "he could declassify anything", that this was an unjustified political hit job, that the fbi planted  all the things they found, and that republicans should "civil war" and violently oppose the J6 committee and democrats.

Exactly what the fark did Trump have that they're this desperate?
 
2022-08-10 7:12:36 AM  
I think it was the copies of Trump's physicals that show that he is not 6'3 and 239 lbs and that he is not actually the healthiest man to ever be president who will live to be 200.
 
2022-08-10 7:13:27 AM  

hardinparamedic: They are really desperateto frame this as some measure of government overreach, that no crime was committed because as president "he could declassify anything", that this was an unjustified political hit job, that the fbi planted  all the things they found, and that republicans should "civil war" and violently oppose the J6 committee and democrats.

Exactly what the fark did Trump have that they're this desperate?


Donnie isn't upset about the document boxes at all, but lost his shiat over the FBI opening his safe. Just a guess, but I'm thinking whatever he kept locked in that safe is a lot worse than some paperwork.
 
2022-08-10 7:15:04 AM  
Trump can't authorize shiat, he's a private citizen and has to follow the rules.
 
2022-08-10 7:16:08 AM  
I declare Rosenberg
 
2022-08-10 7:16:47 AM  

stoli n coke: Boondock3806: stoli n coke: Boondock3806: Without knowing what exactly the DOJ is doing and why, there's nothing to debate here. We don't know what the crime is, and we only have assumptions to go on.

Stands a high chance there's more in play here than simply the existence of documents. I'm going with "credible evidence of plans to use them for personal gain", because (gestures at TFG).

Simply taking them from where they're supposed to be without permission is already a felony,

I know, but this long after the fact? Is that really the crime he's going down for? I mean, if it is, I'll take it. That just seems super odd to me.

"This long after the fact?" Some of y'all really need to up the dosage of your Ritalin.

You're trying to get a search warrant on the home of a former president. That has to go through a few more steps than getting a warrant on a crack house on skid row.

Also, taking their time allows the DOJ to say "we contacted him for more than a year, told him what was missing, and gave him repeated chances to return it." Helps their case.


Also remember that it's not enough to say "we think a document is missing and we think it might be in this location".

They have to review all the documents that were returned (quite the chore given the classification level), pinpoint exactly which ones are missing, refer the case to DoJ, gather evidence that the docs in question are actually at MaL and not misplaced or somewhere else, present this evidence to a judge, convince the judge to issue the warrant, and set up the raid all without tipping off the Republicans.
 
2022-08-10 7:17:02 AM  
What would be hilarious is if the FBI raid was related to Epstein, and the "classified documents" angle was just a rumor.

Explains the safe.
 
2022-08-10 7:18:41 AM  
I DECLARE THAT SOAP-ON-A-ROPE IS NOW MANDITORY IN FEDERAL PRISON
 
2022-08-10 7:18:52 AM  
"The president has unilateral authority to declassify documents - anything in government. He exercised it here in full."

Difficulty:  this jacka** wasn't POTUS at the time he removed the records.
 
2022-08-10 7:19:33 AM  

Officer Barrelroll: I think it was the copies of Trump's physicals that show that he is not 6'3 and 239 lbs and that he is not actually the healthiest man to ever be president who will live to be 200.


It's Woman, Man, Person, Camera, TV cue card a staffer was holding off-frame in the interview. Potentially damaging stuff, that.
 
2022-08-10 7:20:36 AM  

Boondock3806: Without knowing what exactly the DOJ is doing and why, there's nothing to debate here. We don't know what the crime is, and we only have assumptions to go on.

Stands a high chance there's more in play here than simply the existence of documents. I'm going with "credible evidence of plans to use them for personal gain", because (gestures at TFG).


I'm thinking it's eminently likely that by the end of all of this we find out with no shred of doubt that documents relating to national security were disseminated to a foreign power that resulted in multiple fatalities of US assets. I can't imagine a reality where the orange shiatgibbon *doesn't* sell out US assets for personal profit.
 
2022-08-10 7:21:47 AM  
Isn't that cute, Donnie thinks he's still Pwesident.

Ok Mr Pwesident, you can declassify more documents right after you have a little nap.
 
2022-08-10 7:22:26 AM  

sleze: I had a friend who worked in defense. After he died, his wife found boxes after boxes of marked CUI and classified material in his basement/office that NEVER should have been there and she reported it.  By the time they were found, there was nothing that was particularly damaging to national defense because the stuff was so old.  This guy was a career patriot and by no means a spy or anything...but if they were found while he was still alive, he'd have been in prison.

/working theory was that he was just working extra from home and was too lazy/forgot to bring shiat back to the office
//follow on investigation uncovered no money or shenanigans behind the scenes


That guy was, technically, a felon. It's easy to say "but he was a patriot!", but the laws exist for a reason. Either you're against the rule of law applied to everyone or you're for anarchy. There's no reasonable middle ground.
 
2022-08-10 7:22:53 AM  
Yeah I'm sure that excuse would work with some random Shmoe the cops would pickup off the street as well. "I hear by declare I'm not drunk or didn't break in to that house..."
 
2022-08-10 7:23:41 AM  
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