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(Columbia Missourian)   Missouri's November ballot to include the most progressive marijuana legalization referendum amendment, which would also allow for automatic expunction of prior cannabis related convictions for nonviolent offenders. Show Me something, Missouri   (columbiamissourian.com) divider line
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2022-08-09 3:57:59 PM  
Voters in Missouri should be sure to vote.   These are important.
 
2022-08-09 3:58:23 PM  
Not a chance.
 
2022-08-09 4:01:34 PM  
I first read that as execution of prior cannabis related convictions for nonviolent offenders, and how sad is it that my first reaction was basically "yeah, that tracks"?
 
2022-08-09 4:06:08 PM  
That's awesome. Hope it happens. Other states should take note.
 
2022-08-09 4:18:11 PM  
It will never stand

The Missouri legislature has overturned a couple voter referendums in the past decade or so.

One of them they overturned was outlawing puppymills.
 
2022-08-09 4:18:22 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Not a chance.


Maybe. The medical referendum passed easily and did so with two more conservative options on the table and a lot of farkery from Bible thumpers. Most folks under 70 we're appalled with the MO Bad Weed program of the 1980s, the millions spent flying helicopters over every inch of rural Missouri to root out small time growers and prosecuting them, forfeiting their farms and homes. The rise of meth cook labs that followed got so bad by the late 1990s they ran PSAs talking about how many neighbors had their houses burned down when some fiend failed workplace safety and blew up the trailer behind his great aunt's barn and started a wildfire. Medical dispensaries have blossomed all over the state in the last two years, maxing out the available licenses.
 
2022-08-09 4:20:48 PM  

mybluemake: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Not a chance.

Maybe. The medical referendum passed easily and did so with two more conservative options on the table and a lot of farkery from Bible thumpers. Most folks under 70 we're appalled with the MO Bad Weed program of the 1980s, the millions spent flying helicopters over every inch of rural Missouri to root out small time growers and prosecuting them, forfeiting their farms and homes. The rise of meth cook labs that followed got so bad by the late 1990s they ran PSAs talking about how many neighbors had their houses burned down when some fiend failed workplace safety and blew up the trailer behind his great aunt's barn and started a wildfire. Medical dispensaries have blossomed all over the state in the last two years, maxing out the available licenses.


Yeah, but freeing blah people? That runs counter to the very existence of Misery.

FARK William Quantril.
 
2022-08-09 5:37:06 PM  
Expunction?
 
2022-08-09 6:11:26 PM  
The legislature will take a page from South Dakota's book and ignore the will of the people.
 
2022-08-09 6:11:35 PM  

Cafe Threads: Expunction?


Same as expungement. Some jurisdictions use one word some the other.
 
2022-08-09 6:12:47 PM  
This morning I booked a trip to Hawaii and was sad to discover it's a medical only state. That really surprised me...get with the times, Hawaii, I need my gummies!
 
2022-08-09 6:12:51 PM  

feckingmorons: Voters in Missouri should be sure to vote.   These are important.


Indeed. It's up to the right minded voting public to defeat the proliferation of this deadly devil narcotic. Don't be fooled by those tax windfalls, is it worth the souls of your children, Missouri?
 
2022-08-09 6:12:56 PM  

Cafe Threads: Expunction?


I came in here to mock Subby for that absurd, obviously made-up word, but in a rare display of sense for me, I googled it first:

"Expunction" means deleting the entire complaint from central registry; it is not the destruction of the local case record. When ordered by an administrative law judge after administrative hearing or rehearing, or circuit court order.
 
2022-08-09 6:13:38 PM  
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2022-08-09 6:16:37 PM  
Southern Missouri in the Ozarks region had some wicked weed. It grew pretty nice down there. As a Californian I was pleasantly surprised. Should be an easy vote as MAGAts and sane people both are fond of the weed in those parts.

/ But of course MAGAts will vote to own the Libs so convince them Democrats are against legal weed and bingo.
 
2022-08-09 6:17:51 PM  
I'm in MO but I'm too lazy to get my medical card. there's literally a video call kiosk at my local head shop when I can get a script but apparently i'd rather drive 20 minutes to IL every other week where I can by recreational.

I still get flower from my guy, but I love going to the dispensary for disposable vapes and edibles and some occasional high end nugs
 
2022-08-09 6:18:21 PM  
legalize it nationally

legal to grow here jan 1. already building my soil
 
2022-08-09 6:18:23 PM  
Is this a plot to make sure Libertarians show up to vote?
 
2022-08-09 6:18:23 PM  

feckingmorons: Voters in Missouri should be sure to vote.   These are important.


Oh, so this is what motivates you? Not the whole preservation of Democracy or a woman's bodily autonomy?
 
2022-08-09 6:20:07 PM  
Meanwhile in Virginia, the new MAGA governor is looking to reduce the amount you can legally possess and refuses to reduce sentences for inmates convicted for crimes which are now legal.
 
2022-08-09 6:22:19 PM  
Is this one of those things where 85% of the voting populace can vote "yes" and the legislation can still go "no"?
 
2022-08-09 6:25:19 PM  
As a non-user in a legal State, the more the better. But, how about getting enough pro-repeal* congress-critters elected and settle this at the Federal level?

*Difficulty: probably Democrats and your granny will be spinning in her grave.
 
2022-08-09 6:27:36 PM  

freddyV: It will never stand

The Missouri legislature has overturned a couple voter referendums in the past decade or so.

One of them they overturned was outlawing puppymills.


Exactly. Voters will vote overwhelmingly to legalize it but the Legislature will just overturn it because "tHe VoTeRs DiDn'T kNoW wHaT tHeY wErE vOtInG fOr!!!!111!!!"
 
2022-08-09 6:28:20 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Not a chance.


Well, probably not much of a chance.... or if it is voted in state will ignore it completely... or they'll ignore pieces of it... blah blah blah.... we've seen it before in Floriduh for voting...
 
2022-08-09 6:28:31 PM  
I'm too lazy to look but what else is on this Nov ballot? Because something like this could drive turnout and lead to interesting results in other races.
 
2022-08-09 6:29:22 PM  

fruit flies like a banana: I'm too lazy to look but what else is on this Nov ballot? Because something like this could drive turnout and lead to interesting results in other races.


US Senate race, plus a few lesser statewide races (auditor, etc.)
 
2022-08-09 6:30:51 PM  

Hickory-smoked: feckingmorons: Voters in Missouri should be sure to vote.   These are important.

Oh, so this is what motivates you? Not the whole preservation of Democracy or a woman's bodily autonomy?


That's all on women.  They vote. And clearly they don't as a block. So, meh. Vote. Or suffer. Pick one. And stop hoping the GOP will ever grow up.
 
2022-08-09 6:32:58 PM  

natazha: As a non-user in a legal State, the more the better. But, how about getting enough pro-repeal* congress-critters elected and settle this at the Federal level?

*Difficulty: probably Democrats and your granny will be spinning in her grave.


It'll be on the ballot in Arkansas, too. My mom turns 80 about a month later. I'm assuming she'll vote for recreational weed there. She voted for medical. She doesn't have a card but as a rural living person she's seen what meth and opioids did to a generation there, and what weed didn't do and hasn't done.
 
2022-08-09 6:34:15 PM  

waxbeans: That's all on women.


Dude....

No.
 
2022-08-09 6:36:56 PM  

CrazyCurt: / But of course MAGAts will vote to own the Libs so convince them Democrats are against legal weed and bingo.


Nah, if Ozark mountain folk are anything like Appalachian mountain folk- and they are- they love them some weed more than they care about politics.

And they'll all go into that voting booth, and they'll vote for it, and they'll walk out, and they will shut the hell up about it, and never talk about it again.

See also: abortion rights in Kansas. Different reasoning, similar result.
 
2022-08-09 6:39:22 PM  
Whether this ballot measure passes or fails, Missouri will still have Josh Hawley as one of its senators.  Too bad all the time and energy that is going into getting weed legalization passed there isn't going to an effort to recall Hawley.
 
2022-08-09 6:40:36 PM  
Voters will approve it but the governor will veto it?

/isn't that how these thing go in deep inbRed States?
 
2022-08-09 6:40:49 PM  

lilbjorn: Is this a plot to make sure Libertarians show up to vote?


I don't think so. They've been trying to collect signatures for the longest time to get this on the ballot. At first it didn't look like they had enough valid signatures but the latest announcement confirms they do.

They're pretty committed to the cause. They asked for my signature three times in three separate occasions, including one time in a Target parking lot.
 
2022-08-09 6:46:24 PM  
MO republi-cons are known for ignoring voter ballot initiatives by refusing to fund them, effectively killing those initiatives.
 
2022-08-09 6:47:21 PM  
Voters: "We want..."
Republicans: "Not so fast, you little shiats."
 
2022-08-09 6:53:04 PM  

tirob: Whether this ballot measure passes or fails, Missouri will still have Josh Hawley as one of its senators.  Too bad all the time and energy that is going into getting weed legalization passed there isn't going to an effort to recall Hawley.


There hasn't been a Senator expelled since the civil war. With enough pressure you can maybe force them to resign. I don't see that realistically  happening to Hawley though. Our system sucks.
 
2022-08-09 7:00:05 PM  

CrazyCurt: Southern Missouri in the Ozarks region had some wicked weed. It grew pretty nice down there. As a Californian I was pleasantly surprised. Should be an easy vote as MAGAts and sane people both are fond of the weed in those parts.

/ But of course MAGAts will vote to own the Libs so convince them Democrats are against legal weed and bingo.


As someone who use to go that route, really do the medical unless they've farked up the fee structure. My guy(s) didn't have bad weed or prices but the commercially grown medical stuff is dirt cheap down here in FL and there's no taxes.
 
2022-08-09 7:05:07 PM  

fruit flies like a banana: tirob: Whether this ballot measure passes or fails, Missouri will still have Josh Hawley as one of its senators.  Too bad all the time and energy that is going into getting weed legalization passed there isn't going to an effort to recall Hawley.

There hasn't been a Senator expelled since the civil war. With enough pressure you can maybe force them to resign. I don't see that realistically  happening to Hawley though. Our system sucks.


And to make matters worse, they'll probably elect Eric Schmitt who will be another Trump ass-kisser like Hawley.
 
2022-08-09 7:06:35 PM  
The only thing Jeff City loves more than being blowhard dickbags is money, so I don't think it's a slam dunk in either direction. If someone can convince them decriminalization is a form of deregulation they might just go for it, they'd deregulate their sick old mother's nursing home if given half a chance.
 
2022-08-09 7:09:32 PM  

Cafe Threads: waxbeans: That's all on women.

Dude....

No.


Sorry it isn't my job to make up for the ladies that vote GOP.  If they would stop, we could actually have a nice nation.
 
2022-08-09 7:18:27 PM  
Let black people out of prison...in Missouri? Good luck with that.
 
2022-08-09 7:19:02 PM  

gnarlywizzard: I'm in MO but I'm too lazy to get my medical card. there's literally a video call kiosk at my local head shop when I can get a script but apparently i'd rather drive 20 minutes to IL every other week where I can by recreational.

I still get flower from my guy, but I love going to the dispensary for disposable vapes and edibles and some occasional high end nugs


Other side of the state here. Got my card and it's nice, but everything being 2x+ more expensive than CO means folks still mule a bunch back when they go there on vacation.
 
2022-08-09 7:20:24 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Cafe Threads: Expunction?

I came in here to mock Subby for that absurd, obviously made-up word, but in a rare display of sense for me, I googled it first:

"Expunction" means deleting the entire complaint from central registry; it is not the destruction of the local case record. When ordered by an administrative law judge after administrative hearing or rehearing, or circuit court order.


I googled too, since I'd only ever heard expungement before.  Thanks, legalese-speaking Subby, for a new vocabulary word!

/and for the reminder that I really need to swing by the courthouse next time I'm in my home town and ask about getting stupid things I did in my teens expun-something-ed.
 
2022-08-09 7:26:13 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Voters will approve it but the governor will veto it?

/isn't that how these thing go in deep inbRed States?


And yet they'll still vote R after being biatch-slapped.
 
2022-08-09 7:28:02 PM  
Hi. Just recently fled the state.

It very literally doesn't matter if these great referendums pass. Republicans have an unbreakable lock on the legislature, and courts. They blatantly ignored referendums in the past several elections. They will ignore these too.
 
2022-08-09 7:31:58 PM  

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2022-08-09 7:38:10 PM  
Isnt it required for a voter initiatve constitution ammendment to have signatures from all 5 Co gressional districts... but Missouri only has 4 now?

I recall the state Supreme Court throwing something out based on that...
 
2022-08-09 7:56:15 PM  
For those who don't know, this is the Republicans big business friendly weed ballot.

It caps growers and gives first rights to current medical growers and keeps new growers out for 18 months. It continues a state approved and corrupted monopoly.

The legislature actually wanted one on the ballot that was more free market.
 
2022-08-09 8:05:00 PM  
Considering we going to end up with Hawley and Eric Schmitt as our Senators and Gov Fudd in charge we need all the weed we can get.

// I actually think this will pass.  I live in STL but grew up in rural Missouri.  So many people smoke weed here.  How else can anyone deal with living in MO.
 
2022-08-09 8:38:34 PM  
I grew up in Missouri and have lived here most of my life with some breaks for education and military service.  I (and several associates) worked our way through college selling weed.  We sold quality, fair weights, and low prices.  We figured that if we screwed anybody or made too much money, karma would bite us in the arse.  A full ounce of not bad weed was $12-15. That was fifty years ago when getting busted in Missouri for almost any quantity of weed would land you in the penitentiary.  There is a Columbia, MO attorney named Dan Viets who has made his law practice about weed from those days to present.  He has played a large role in marijuana affairs here and is a steady, sane influence with lawmakers of both parties.  I've never had a conversation with Dan but I imagine he is one of the chief engineers of relative sanity of Missouri pot laws.  Missouri Republicans are losing their previous united front.  Our legislature and government are very Republican but they are rather suddenly no longer getting along.  They accomplished nearly nothing in this past legislative session which is good compared to the years when they do accomplish something.  A large percentage of Republicans are horrified by Eric Grietens and our farking idiot US Senator Hawley.  They disagree about various other Missouri issues too.  They are still in full support of Trump and other horrible Republican positions.  They do seem OK with legalizing pot due to good tax revenue thereby enabling them to further reduce taxes on their favored people and businesses.
 
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