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(Law and Crime)   But if I'm representing someone who's guilty, I'd want to sit back and claim it's all political   (lawandcrime.com) divider line
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2757 clicks; posted to Politics » on 09 Aug 2022 at 9:54 PM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-08-09 5:04:06 PM  
Trump's intent was to start his own trial in the court of public opinion with the supposition he is innocent. Thus any evidence to the contrary should be considered fake and/or planted just to bring him down.

IANAL, so I don't know what federal jury selection looks like but I can imagine his plaintive squeals about "deep state dems" having it out for him may land on enough fascist ears to make conviction difficult, if not impossible. And that's assuming he's actually going to be charged.

I'd like to think that between the shiat he had in his safe and the dump of Alex Jones's phone there's more than enough info there to make most conderpative politicians VERY nervous about incoming charges. Not just for Donnie2Poops but for them as well.
 
2022-08-09 5:21:27 PM  
Uncle Sam takes his classified documents very seriously. Somebody is getting charged but it's highly unlikely it will be Trump. He's always quite careful to make sure someone else is holding the goods.
 
2022-08-09 5:43:21 PM  
When law enforcement wants to enter someone's home, judges are "extra cautious" before signing off on such requests, the Forth Worth, Texas-based law professor went on to explain.

Listen, Texas-based law professor, we all want to believe this today, so we're going to.  But tomorrow we're all going back to believing this is bullshiat.
 
2022-08-09 7:04:57 PM  
Trump should get severely punished, but he won't.  The problem with that is his rabid followers are itching to spill liberal blood if they can.  Trump getting arrested and arraigned might push them over the edge.  However that being said, most Trumpers are big talking wimps.   It's not like 1/6 when they had the mob dynamic.   Do you think Trumpers will blame antifa if a few of them get crazy and start gunning people down?
 
2022-08-09 9:01:28 PM  
"Nothing like this has ever happened to a President of the United States before,"

Yeah, but you went there. You relied on it. You assumed we wouldn't have the balls to.  And you were wrong.  You should have resigned when you had the chance and you might have gotten the Nixon deal. Too bad.
 
2022-08-09 9:56:50 PM  
Y'know, when the discussion revolves around *if* a former president can be arrested, perhaps that's a sign of a horrible, criminal president.
 
2022-08-09 9:59:08 PM  
Has anyone heard from the Council of Eeyores or are they still insisting that Garland won't ever do anything?
 
2022-08-09 10:04:21 PM  
Claiming innocence, eh? That's exactly the kind of thing a guilty person would do!
 
2022-08-09 10:07:05 PM  

Shaggy_C: Claiming innocence, eh? That's exactly the kind of thing a guilty person would do!


You know what....you're absolutely correct. Donny loves to confess to crimes on National Television. Perhaps he'll agree to an interview to "set the record straight".
 
2022-08-09 10:11:49 PM  
Once a government begins to weaponize its judicial system against political opponents, it is difficult to ever recover.

*cough* Supreme Court *cough*
 
2022-08-09 10:12:30 PM  
As already mentioned, it's not his home, it's a hotel.
 
2022-08-09 10:12:40 PM  
"Nothing like this has ever happened to a President of the United States before," Trump himself noted

Good thing you aren't the President then, eh?
 
2022-08-09 10:14:48 PM  

Naido: When law enforcement wants to enter someone's home, judges are "extra cautious" before signing off on such requests, the Forth Worth, Texas-based law professor went on to explain.

Listen, Texas-based law professor, we all want to believe this today, so we're going to.  But tomorrow we're all going back to believing this is bullshiat.


He left out the most important part:

"Someone who is white and wealthy."
 
2022-08-09 10:15:34 PM  

fastfxr: As already mentioned, it's not his home, it's a hotel.


Hotel rooms, while occupied, are homes.  At least that's my understanding.  Not only am INAL, but I'm in a different country.  Same root legal system, though.
 
2022-08-09 10:15:39 PM  

edmo: Uncle Sam takes his classified documents very seriously. Somebody is getting charged but it's highly unlikely it will be Trump. He's always quite careful to make sure someone else is holding the goods.


The ones in his personal safe?
 
2022-08-09 10:16:54 PM  

iheartscotch: Shaggy_C: Claiming innocence, eh? That's exactly the kind of thing a guilty person would do!

You know what....you're absolutely correct. Donny loves to confess to crimes on National Television. Perhaps he'll agree to an interview to "set the record straight".


Ah, yes, the Prince Andrew approach. I bet his lawyers would love that!
 
2022-08-09 10:21:16 PM  

Shaggy_C: iheartscotch: Shaggy_C: Claiming innocence, eh? That's exactly the kind of thing a guilty person would do!

You know what....you're absolutely correct. Donny loves to confess to crimes on National Television. Perhaps he'll agree to an interview to "set the record straight".

Ah, yes, the Prince Andrew approach. I bet his lawyers would love that!


Honestly? I don't think that he can help himself. Get that orange F-er a microphone, a camera and a shiaty half warm fast food burger and I bet that he'd confess to everything.
 
2022-08-09 10:27:56 PM  

koder: "Nothing like this has ever happened to a President of the United States before,"

Yeah, but you went there. You relied on it. You assumed we wouldn't have the balls to.  And you were wrong.  You should have resigned when you had the chance and you might have gotten the Nixon deal. Too bad.


It's true, though. The FBI has never had to raid a former President who lives in an omelette bar before.
 
2022-08-09 10:35:57 PM  

Jake Havechek: Trump should get severely punished, but he won't.  The problem with that is his rabid followers are itching to spill liberal blood if they can.  Trump getting arrested and arraigned might push them over the edge.  However that being said, most Trumpers are big talking wimps.   It's not like 1/6 when they had the mob dynamic.   Do you think Trumpers will blame antifa if a few of them get crazy and start gunning people down?


They are big talking wimps.
The Mike Tyson technique of changing someone's plans proves quite effective as a stimulus in these situations.

Just look at how many trumpnuts have changed their opinion of don the con since being introduced to the federal penal system.
 
2022-08-09 10:41:01 PM  

iheartscotch: Has anyone heard from the Council of Eeyores or are they still insisting that Garland won't ever do anything?


Alternatively, mr. Scotch;

Were it not for the continued hue and cry of the masses, I think it is safe to assume justice would have been swept under the rug.

The eyesores to which you refer have provided their share.

There are more than just bricks. Some of us must also be mortar.
 
2022-08-09 11:10:35 PM  
The raid against President Trump occurred for one reason and one reason only - to prevent his return to the White House in 2024. But the even bigger transgression here is the attack on the American people and our very Constitution. Once a government begins to weaponize its judicial system against political opponents, it is difficult to ever recover.

Every accusation is a confession, but at this point they're just copying and pasting.
 
2022-08-09 11:12:39 PM  
I think subby's quote from the article truly is the money shot, this one is a close second, and quite explanatory:

"If [Trump's team] really wanted to contest it, there's a way to do that even before charges are filed," Pate continued. "In federal court, you can file a motion with the district judge where the warrant was issued and request to have the documents returned. That would be very interesting but [Trump's team] may not want to do that because there would be a hearing where the government would then be required to present evidence as to how they got the warrant - how he allegedly violated the law - they might not want to do that because then the facts would be all out in the public and it would be hard to say it's all political."

So like every. other. legal case Trump's been involved in, the plan is to delay delay delay, and hope the midterms go his way, then the general.
 
2022-08-09 11:13:10 PM  

edmo: Uncle Sam takes his classified documents very seriously. Somebody is getting charged but it's highly unlikely it will be Trump. He's always quite careful to make sure someone else is holding the goods.


The shiatgibbon had the goods in his own house

His
Own
House
 
2022-08-09 11:13:43 PM  

fastfxr: As already mentioned, it's not his home, it's a hotel.


It's not even a hotel. It's a country club that is zoned such that no individual is supposed to stay there overnight more than 21 nights per year. That is just another law that TFG seems to think does not apply to him.
 
2022-08-09 11:20:07 PM  

Naido: When law enforcement wants to enter someone's home, judges are "extra cautious" before signing off on such requests, the Forth Worth, Texas-based law professor went on to explain.

Listen, Texas-based law professor, we all want to believe this today, so we're going to.  But tomorrow we're all going back to believing this is bullshiat.


Yup. Wish Breonna Taylor was here to call BS.
 
2022-08-09 11:20:40 PM  

Siskabush: edmo: Uncle Sam takes his classified documents very seriously. Somebody is getting charged but it's highly unlikely it will be Trump. He's always quite careful to make sure someone else is holding the goods.

The shiatgibbon had the goods in his own house

His
Own
House


Then he will blame the exhumed corpse of Marjorie Merriweather Post.

Hey I wonder how many documents fit in Ivana's coffin.
 
2022-08-09 11:27:18 PM  

1funguy: iheartscotch: Has anyone heard from the Council of Eeyores or are they still insisting that Garland won't ever do anything?

Alternatively, mr. Scotch;

Were it not for the continued hue and cry of the masses, I think it is safe to assume justice would have been swept under the rug.

The eyesores to which you refer have provided their share.

There are more than just bricks. Some of us must also be mortar.


Not to discount the efforts put forward by such....noble *cough* and notable *cough*...personages as the Council of Eeyores...but it would have been titanically, pants shiatingly dumb to let Donny walk away... because he was always just going to try again
 
2022-08-09 11:43:22 PM  

1funguy: iheartscotch: Has anyone heard from the Council of Eeyores or are they still insisting that Garland won't ever do anything?

Alternatively, mr. Scotch;

Were it not for the continued hue and cry of the masses, I think it is safe to assume justice would have been swept under the rug.

The eyesores to which you refer have provided their share.

There are more than just bricks. Some of us must also be mortar.


I somewhat doubt that 16 fark accounts run by 3 guys biatching endlessly about Democrats and posting the fat kid from goodburger meme 20k times is what pushed the DOJ into action, but it's been a bunch of *hopefully* good news in the politics tab lately, so sure, good jobs all around!
 
2022-08-09 11:56:21 PM  

iheartscotch: Has anyone heard from the Council of Eeyores or are they still insisting that Garland won't ever do anything?


If anything he is standing by his word when he said the DOJ would follow the facts and the law.

I have doubts that they can get a jury that would actually convict. There's going to be one Trumper that will never vote to convict on that panel. But I hope Garland follows this as far as the facts and the law leads them.
 
2022-08-10 12:13:20 AM  

1funguy: iheartscotch: Has anyone heard from the Council of Eeyores or are they still insisting that Garland won't ever do anything?

Alternatively, mr. Scotch;

Were it not for the continued hue and cry of the masses, I think it is safe to assume justice would have been swept under the rug.

The eyesores to which you refer have provided their share.

There are more than just bricks. Some of us must also be mortar.


Yeah go ahead and take credit or whatever. The crowd that preached patience and told you the wheels of justice were wrong or whatever.
 
2022-08-10 12:28:54 AM  
Hmm. I like that law blog in general. I think they're kinda wrong, kinda. Obviously the GOP's response to any raid on a Trump was planned months ago, and today's kayfabe is just following the playbook the RNC (on one hand) and the Trump Tower NYC war room (on the other hand) developed. We shouldn't read anything into it, more than rote teleprompterism.
 
2022-08-10 12:35:49 AM  

sammyk: I have doubts that they can get a jury that would actually convict. There's going to be one Trumper that will never vote to convict on that panel. But I hope Garland follows this as far as the facts and the law leads them.


Depends on where you have the trial. South of the Manson-Nixon line? Impossible to convict.

A Washington DC or New York City jury pool? Fetch a rope.
 
2022-08-10 1:37:45 AM  
More proof that politicians are above the law, right? fark that. You commit a crime, you are indicted. I don't care what political position you hold or have held.
It's ridiculous that evidently half the country doesn't hold this belief. Or maybe they do and they only believe in it when it's the other team.
This c
 
2022-08-10 5:08:23 AM  

iheartscotch: 1funguy: iheartscotch: Has anyone heard from the Council of Eeyores or are they still insisting that Garland won't ever do anything?

Alternatively, mr. Scotch;

Were it not for the continued hue and cry of the masses, I think it is safe to assume justice would have been swept under the rug.

The eyesores to which you refer have provided their share.

There are more than just bricks. Some of us must also be mortar.

Not to discount the efforts put forward by such....noble *cough* and notable *cough*...personages as the Council of Eeyores...but it would have been titanically, pants shiatingly dumb to let Donny walk away... because he was always just going to try again


Always does.
But many different attitudes...not just one like the republicans "All For Us Only And Always!"
That is hive minded, and not conducive to open thinking. Just because some people are jaded doesn't render them useless.
 
2022-08-10 5:11:40 AM  

LurkLongAndProsper: 1funguy: iheartscotch: Has anyone heard from the Council of Eeyores or are they still insisting that Garland won't ever do anything?

Alternatively, mr. Scotch;

Were it not for the continued hue and cry of the masses, I think it is safe to assume justice would have been swept under the rug.

The eyesores to which you refer have provided their share.

There are more than just bricks. Some of us must also be mortar.

I somewhat doubt that 16 fark accounts run by 3 guys biatching endlessly about Democrats and posting the fat kid from goodburger meme 20k times is what pushed the DOJ into action, but it's been a bunch of *hopefully* good news in the politics tab lately, so sure, good jobs all around!


Yes! I'm glad we didn't all just say "oh well, they're still playing the rich, white people game." and forget about it.

Oh, how I long for investigative journalism in the mainstream.
 
2022-08-10 5:16:52 AM  

sammyk: 1funguy: iheartscotch: Has anyone heard from the Council of Eeyores or are they still insisting that Garland won't ever do anything?

Alternatively, mr. Scotch;

Were it not for the continued hue and cry of the masses, I think it is safe to assume justice would have been swept under the rug.

The eyesores to which you refer have provided their share.

There are more than just bricks. Some of us must also be mortar.

Yeah go ahead and take credit or whatever. The crowd that preached patience and told you the wheels of justice were wrong or whatever.


Oh no!
By all means...all of the credit clearly belongs to you, and whatever banner you March under should be worshiped and praised along with you!

Hail, holy sammyk ! Let all honor be yours!

(Sorry, it does begin to sound like praying after awhile, doesn't it..?)

I think you see the point.
 
2022-08-10 5:18:11 AM  

edmo: Uncle Sam takes his classified documents very seriously. Somebody is getting charged but it's highly unlikely it will be Trump. He's always quite careful to make sure someone else is holding the goods.


It's not someone else's house that raided, so failing to indict Trump will blow up in their faces and benefit Trump.

I think Democrats figure that however this goes it benefits them, even without an indictment.
A bold strategy if you live in Bolivia.
 
2022-08-10 6:25:49 AM  

1funguy: iheartscotch: Has anyone heard from the Council of Eeyores or are they still insisting that Garland won't ever do anything?

Alternatively, mr. Scotch;

Were it not for the continued hue and cry of the masses, I think it is safe to assume justice would have been swept under the rug.

The eyesores to which you refer have provided their share.

There are more than just bricks. Some of us must also be mortar.

So the Eeyores did their part, and now they are throwing in the trowel.
 
2022-08-10 7:31:53 AM  

koder: "Nothing like this has ever happened to a President of the United States before,"


Hmmm...the subpoena for the White House tapes during Nixon II came pretty close. And it didn't turn out well for Trick Dick.

Look, I get that TFG is an ex-president (we can argue about whether he should have even been a president later) but he's currently a private citizen with no security clearance. We as a country tend to offer a certain amount of respect to ex-presidents (with some notable exceptions), but it usually doesn't go as far as allowing them to blatantly violate the law. And presidential records need to go to the National Archives. By law. So...if he's holding out, maybe the government isn't all that wrong in wanting its property returned?
 
2022-08-10 7:45:05 AM  

Flowery Twats: koder: "Nothing like this has ever happened to a President of the United States before,"

Hmmm...the subpoena for the White House tapes during Nixon II came pretty close. And it didn't turn out well for Trick Dick.

Look, I get that TFG is an ex-president (we can argue about whether he should have even been a president later) but he's currently a private citizen with no security clearance. We as a country tend to offer a certain amount of respect to ex-presidents (with some notable exceptions), but it usually doesn't go as far as allowing them to blatantly violate the law. And presidential records need to go to the National Archives. By law. So...if he's holding out, maybe the government isn't all that wrong in wanting its property returned?


Trump isn't exactly a member of the ex-president's club because he's an asshole.  That is also unprecedented.  They don't want a dickhead like Trump who behaves like a toddler around.
 
2022-08-10 8:29:01 AM  

Phaedrus the Vague: 1funguy: iheartscotch: Has anyone heard from the Council of Eeyores or are they still insisting that Garland won't ever do anything?

Alternatively, mr. Scotch;

Were it not for the continued hue and cry of the masses, I think it is safe to assume justice would have been swept under the rug.

The eyesores to which you refer have provided their share.

There are more than just bricks. Some of us must also be mortar.
So the Eeyores did their part, and now they are throwing in the trowel.


Would that be a bad thing? You wouldn't do your own rhinoplasty, but you might do your own taxes.

What up widdat?

It's all they're comfortable with..?
then they're done.

Contract their remaining obligation to the fbi and doj and let the pros handle it.
 
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