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(Ars Technica)   Windows 11 is so good at encrypting your data that not even your own computer can read it anymore   (arstechnica.com) divider line
    More: Fail, X86, Cryptography, Personal computer, Advanced Encryption Standard, Microsoft Windows, Transport Layer Security, Windows Server, Linux  
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2022-08-09 4:38:31 PM  
I just ran into this issue on a bunch of Acer A515-56-76JIs. The fastest fix I found was to reload the image and immediately turn off Bitlocker.

I realized it was a Windows issue because those machines are absolutely perfect while they're running Ubuntu.
 
2022-08-09 4:40:47 PM  
Can't even fix it with a 5 dollar hammer.
 
2022-08-09 4:51:04 PM  
The sheer number of times Windows Update has shipped code that destroys user data in recent years is pretty astonishing.  I know they've done it for at least the last four years in a row.

This is a direct result of Microsoft firing the people who used to test Windows on real hardware and using their customers as guinea pigs instead.


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2022-08-09 5:01:09 PM  

BullBearMS: The sheer number of times Windows Update has shipped code that destroys user data in recent years is pretty astonishing.  I know they've done it for at least the last four years in a row.

This is a direct result of Microsoft firing the people who used to test Windows on real hardware and using their customers as guinea pigs instead.


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On the bright side, that OS I had to pay a couple hundred for on a couple machines, and which also padded the price of a couple more machines was apparently free, going by MS' approach to it.
 
2022-08-09 5:17:06 PM  
If you're running Windows 11 now you're a beta user. You may not want to be but that's just a fact. And if you're running Windows Home 10 or 11 you're also a beta user. That's how MS develops its products.
 
2022-08-09 5:40:23 PM  
If you got to run Windows 11 then good luck with that. I'll be over here running Linux Mint.
 
2022-08-09 5:58:46 PM  
Not sure if anybody can remember the 90's with disc manager software to get over the LBA limit....same problem.

/uses Windows 11 on the main software dev system
//seems to work quite well
 
2022-08-09 6:19:09 PM  

BullBearMS: The sheer number of times Windows Update has shipped code that destroys user data in recent years is pretty astonishing.  I know they've done it for at least the last four years in a row.

This is a direct result of Microsoft firing the people who used to test Windows on real hardware and using their customers as guinea pigs instead.


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When did they ever do that?

And how many people does Canonical pay to test Ubuntu?  And how many machines have they ruined with updates?  Does even Red Hat have that type of testing?

Most of that has a lot more to do with Microsoft arrogance and control needs, compounded by similar attitudes in (Microsoft trained) IT departments.  Anyone sending out "forced updates" likely sees any bricked PCs as an opportunity to sell more Windows licenses and Office subscriptions.

/have been using Linux on the Desktop for a long time
//long enough to have joked that Windows certainly wasn't ready for the internet, while Linux was fine on the Desktop
///the last bit had an unspoken "for sufficiently skilled users".  You can drop that now, but gaming isn't quite there yet (Steam is charging hard, but that last 10% will likely be killer).
 
2022-08-09 8:18:30 PM  

Nimbull: If you got to run Windows 11 then good luck with that. I'll be over here running Linux Mint.


Is this the year of Linux on the desktop??
 
2022-08-09 8:46:57 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Nimbull: If you got to run Windows 11 then good luck with that. I'll be over here running Linux Mint.

Is this the year of Linux on the desktop??


Been that way for me since Windows 11 was announced and no local accounts were in the cards. So a couple years now at this point for me.
 
2022-08-09 9:38:06 PM  

Nimbull: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Nimbull: If you got to run Windows 11 then good luck with that. I'll be over here running Linux Mint.

Is this the year of Linux on the desktop??

Been that way for me since Windows 11 was announced and no local accounts were in the cards. So a couple years now at this point for me.


Been half that way for me for a long time, too. I'm stuck with it at work, but at this point the most interaction I get with Windows is on systems I just can't be bothered with, or in a VM when I need it and WINE doesn't cut it. Never been big on evangelizing about an OS, but I've put myself largely in a position to spectate while I use something else.

/Debian can just be whatever I want it to be, so that's been the most of it for me since '06 or so.
 
2022-08-09 9:56:29 PM  
The hardware TPMs that can be used for encryption are flakey.  They don't do encryption correctly all the time.  If they encrypt just one wrong disk block the wrong way, that data is gone and there is a chance it won't be detected and it may result in a cascade of lost data.

That is one thing ZFS got right, checksums all the way combined with good ECC once it is in RAM.  Intel still doesn't support ECC on consumer grade stuff and AMD only supports it on the memory side and not all the way to the registers like they should have done.   I get ECC errors logged when there are solar storms which means other people are losing bits.
 
2022-08-10 1:40:47 AM  
 
2022-08-10 2:55:46 AM  

BullBearMS: DON.MAC: The hardware TPMs that can be used for encryption are flakey.

The problem here was Microsoft's code, not the hardware.


Why not both?
The hardware gets overloaded and times out by design but if you don't process the results correctly, you may assume it is still doing its thing but it is return garbage.  It is bad to stuff that garbage on the disk or in memory and the thing has to be retried.  That slows things down and sometimes a bunch.  Which is what they said their fix does.
 
2022-08-10 3:11:14 AM  

DON.MAC: BullBearMS: DON.MAC: The hardware TPMs that can be used for encryption are flakey.

The problem here was Microsoft's code, not the hardware.

Why not both?
The hardware gets overloaded and times out by design but if you don't process the results correctly, you may assume it is still doing its thing but it is return garbage.  It is bad to stuff that garbage on the disk or in memory and the thing has to be retried.  That slows things down and sometimes a bunch.  Which is what they said their fix does.


Because they have admitted themselves that the issue was in the version of their encryption software written to use Intel's new(ish) AVX-512 instructions.

That's not a hardware issue. That's a software issue compounded by inadequate testing.
 
2022-08-10 6:19:57 PM  
LOL Windows 11
 
2022-08-10 6:51:17 PM  
Quick reminder:

October 14th, 2025 is the end of life date for Windows 10. You have plenty of time to jump ship. Let others work out the bugs for you.
 
2022-08-10 7:44:15 PM  

AgentKGB: Quick reminder:

October 14th, 2025 is the end of life date for Windows 10. You have plenty of time to jump ship. Let others work out the bugs for you.


Or be obstinate and not upgrade ever because fark that noise.  Maybe someone who doesn't have an adult learning disability will make Windows 12
 
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