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(CNN)   Russia has been having an incredibly hard time detecting attacks from Ukranians. Hmmmm... I wonde... Oh, THAT'S why. Well played, Raytheon   (cnn.com) divider line
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2022-08-09 1:06:59 PM  
Look we're basically already fighting this war. Can we not just stomp Russia into the ground and be done with it? We have no problem diving into unjustifiable wars and this one seems pretty justifiable.
 
2022-08-09 1:09:14 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Can we not just stomp Russia into the ground and be done with it?


I think the issue here is that we would *all* be done with it if the US is in open war with Russia.

I just cannot deal with nuclear war right now. I have concert tickets for October.
 
2022-08-09 1:12:00 PM  
Love seeing Russia finding out, but hate rooting for Raytheon. Is there any way we can award a missile contract to Ben & Jerry's or something? Those boys are clever, I'm sure they can hack something together.
 
2022-08-09 1:12:58 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: Karma Chameleon: Can we not just stomp Russia into the ground and be done with it?

I think the issue here is that we would *all* be done with it if the US is in open war with Russia.

I just cannot deal with nuclear war right now. I have concert tickets for October.


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2022-08-09 1:14:41 PM  
Russia now in HARMS way...
 
2022-08-09 1:15:10 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Look we're basically already fighting this war. Can we not just stomp Russia into the ground and be done with it? We have no problem diving into unjustifiable wars and this one seems pretty justifiable.


I say go for it. We're overdue for a hard reset.
 
2022-08-09 1:15:47 PM  
So, the Russians will deploy their anti radar radar missiles.  Then, the Ukrainians will deploy anti-radar radar radar missiles.  From there, it just gets silly.
 
2022-08-09 1:16:34 PM  

Algebrat: Love seeing Russia finding out, but hate rooting for Raytheon. Is there any way we can award a missile contract to Ben & Jerry's or something? Those boys are clever, I'm sure they can hack something together.


Ben & Jerry's sold out to Unilever, they might actually be making polymers and lubricants for missile parts.
 
2022-08-09 1:17:02 PM  
This war is great for war profiteers and Raytheon's marketing group is having a breeze with the next ad campaign.
 
2022-08-09 1:17:52 PM  
The more I read about stuff like this the more I'm thinking sending all these things over to Ukraine is a way to actually test out some of these things as well as deal with any surplus that may be reaching it's end of life. I honestly don't mind if my tin foil hat thoughts were accurate since it's for a good cause of pounding orc invaders from what is effectively a mob run country in to the ground.
 
2022-08-09 1:18:02 PM  
If I buy a car for fifteen times what it's worth, then donate it to someone in need, are you going to say "well played, General Motors?"
 
2022-08-09 1:18:17 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: Karma Chameleon: Can we not just stomp Russia into the ground and be done with it?

I think the issue here is that we would *all* be done with it if the US is in open war with Russia.

I just cannot deal with nuclear war right now. I have concert tickets for October.


Fair point, but can we all just dream about just stomping them and being done with it?
 
2022-08-09 1:19:33 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Look we're basically already fighting this war. Can we not just stomp Russia into the ground and be done with it? We have no problem diving into unjustifiable wars and this one seems pretty justifiable.


We could, but Biden (and others) are afraid of starting World War III with missiles flying and everybody dying in nuclear fire.
 
2022-08-09 1:19:45 PM  

quo vadimus: If I buy a car for fifteen times what it's worth, then donate it to someone in need, are you going to say "well played, General Motors?"


Depends on how many congress critters you bribe. Lockheed was the champion of building individual parts of a project in every single congressional district of the House Arms Committee.
 
2022-08-09 1:20:56 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: So, the Russians will deploy their anti radar radar missiles.  Then, the Ukrainians will deploy anti-radar radar radar missiles.  From there, it just gets silly.


I think you mean anti radar missile missile.
 
2022-08-09 1:21:08 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: So, the Russians will deploy their anti radar radar missiles.  Then, the Ukrainians will deploy anti-radar radar radar missiles.  From there, it just gets silly.


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2022-08-09 1:22:27 PM  
HARM, MOAB, Avenger, Hellfire, we know how to name our death devices... one thing we still do well.
 
2022-08-09 1:22:35 PM  
Now we are praising Raytheon? This place sucks.
 
2022-08-09 1:26:11 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: This war is great for war profiteers and Raytheon's marketing group is having a breeze with the next ad campaign.


There was a rumor that Northrup Grumman's space program (including the ISS resupply contract) was in danger thanks to Russian attacks on their Ukrainian suppliers (fuel tanks made in Ukraine).  Presumably untrue (you can't be certain of *anything* during a war), you have to wonder if they might increase shipments to make sure that never happens.
 
2022-08-09 1:29:52 PM  
missile sent was the AGM-88 High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM).

So, is more time spent designing the missile or coming up with the clever name?
 
2022-08-09 1:32:59 PM  
Now consider which platform these are supposed to be launched from..
 
2022-08-09 1:33:47 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: Harry Freakstorm: This war is great for war profiteers and Raytheon's marketing group is having a breeze with the next ad campaign.

There was a rumor that Northrup Grumman's space program (including the ISS resupply contract) was in danger thanks to Russian attacks on their Ukrainian suppliers (fuel tanks made in Ukraine).  Presumably untrue (you can't be certain of *anything* during a war), you have to wonder if they might increase shipments to make sure that never happens.


US Aerospace companies get some parts from Ukrainian manufacturers but nothing that can't be produced elseware but when you get new equipment it all has to be retested ect ect.    Might delay production or launches but wont stop anything outright.
 
2022-08-09 1:34:05 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: I have concert tickets for October.


Who ya seeing?
 
2022-08-09 1:36:21 PM  
I'm not all up to date on my military equipment - anti-ballistic-missiles - what is the likelihood that if Russia launches (any) matter of Nuclear attack that it could be intercepted (or that it just explodes in the silo, or submarine given their current track record)
 
2022-08-09 1:39:36 PM  
Radar-evading missiles? Huh, didn't see that coming....
 
2022-08-09 1:41:59 PM  

stuhayes2010: missile sent was the AGM-88 High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM).

So, is more time spent designing the missile or coming up with the clever name?


Military has a hard-on for acronyms.
 
2022-08-09 1:42:44 PM  

disaster bastard: Bob_Laublaw: I have concert tickets for October.

Who ya seeing?


Olivia Newton-John. Been waiting for YEARS!
 
2022-08-09 1:44:00 PM  

markhwt: Now we are praising Raytheon? This place sucks.


Yeah, that's too bad. I made a career working for Raytheon and am now collecting my well-earned pension, thank you very much. Saw some incredible places, met some incredible people and worked on some very incredible hardware. I have nothing but good things to say about Raytheon.
 
2022-08-09 1:45:02 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: Karma Chameleon: Can we not just stomp Russia into the ground and be done with it?

I think the issue here is that we would *all* be done with it if the US is in open war with Russia.

I just cannot deal with nuclear war right now. I have concert tickets for October.


Speak for yourself. Just turned 50 this past week. Wife got me...

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And...

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I'm ready to die happy.
 
2022-08-09 1:46:33 PM  

markhwt: Now we are praising Raytheon? This place sucks.


Defense contractors are like lawyers: everyone hates them until they need one.
 
2022-08-09 1:48:18 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Bob_Laublaw: Karma Chameleon: Can we not just stomp Russia into the ground and be done with it?

I think the issue here is that we would *all* be done with it if the US is in open war with Russia.

I just cannot deal with nuclear war right now. I have concert tickets for October.

Speak for yourself. Just turned 50 this past week. Wife got me...

[Fark user image 850x540]


And...

[Fark user image 580x460]

I'm ready to die happy.


I used to have the full Voltron one I collected at flea markets. Wish I took better care of it but boy did I play the hell out of it as a kid and had fun.
 
2022-08-09 1:49:30 PM  

stamped human bacon: markhwt: Now we are praising Raytheon? This place sucks.

Yeah, that's too bad. I made a career working for Raytheon and am now collecting my well-earned pension, thank you very much. Saw some incredible places, met some incredible people and worked on some very incredible hardware. I have nothing but good things to say about Raytheon.


Well as long as you got paid and they were nice to you then everything is good.
 
2022-08-09 1:50:12 PM  
When you work in a marketing department with an unlimited budget but you only sell to a handful of people, you pass the time with snarky acronyms.
 
2022-08-09 1:53:16 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Look we're basically already fighting this war. Can we not just stomp Russia into the ground and be done with it? We have no problem diving into unjustifiable wars and this one seems pretty justifiable.


Oh, come on, kid. We just spent a decade or two fighting illegitimate wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, because the actual problem was Saudi Arabia, but the Bushes had just gone to war with Kuwait to give it back to King Saud. That's America, going to war to give countries away to dictators! ...apparently, the Bushes somehow screwed over King Saud on that deal... but, hey, we went on to do nothing useful for decades in Iraq or Afghanistan.

No, look, there is a strict rule on this, and it involves not attacking countries that have metric buttloads of nuclear weapons. Sure, they may not all work but, if just one of them gets through to New York or Washington D.C. ...and as much as we all hope that Congress is in session if that occurs, it's going to be very, very bad. Very bad.

It would be much worse than very bad so, let's try to keep our merry, puckish impulses under control, and hope we just get to watch Russia turning itself into a fourth-world country. Maybe fifth! This is something we should watch from a long distance away. Nuclear weapons are only slightly comical from a very long distance away.
 
2022-08-09 1:57:21 PM  

vevolis: I'm not all up to date on my military equipment - anti-ballistic-missiles - what is the likelihood that if Russia launches (any) matter of Nuclear attack that it could be intercepted (or that it just explodes in the silo, or submarine given their current track record)


Just a missile or two?  Decent chance.  All of their missiles?  No chance.
 
2022-08-09 1:58:50 PM  

markhwt: stamped human bacon: markhwt: Now we are praising Raytheon? This place sucks.

Yeah, that's too bad. I made a career working for Raytheon and am now collecting my well-earned pension, thank you very much. Saw some incredible places, met some incredible people and worked on some very incredible hardware. I have nothing but good things to say about Raytheon.

Well as long as you got paid and they were nice to you then everything is good.


Right. Okay then. I hope you can recover from whatever trauma Raytheon has inflicted upon you.
 
2022-08-09 2:01:37 PM  
Why aren't we able to detect the Ukrainian attacks before they happen? It's like we can't see them coming? What did the Americans send ...

... wait, what's that music?

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2022-08-09 2:09:53 PM  

eKonk: Radar-evading missiles? Huh, didn't see that coming....


That's not what they are.

They are missiles that destroy enemy RADAR installations. HARM is 80s tech, but still pretty advanced. It locks on to the RADAR and remembers exactly where it is. So if the operator sees the missile coming he can't just turn it off an be safe.

The S-400 and S-500 SAM batteries are pretty effective, but once you knock-out their RADAR they are useless.
 
2022-08-09 2:12:33 PM  

PaceyWhitter: vevolis: I'm not all up to date on my military equipment - anti-ballistic-missiles - what is the likelihood that if Russia launches (any) matter of Nuclear attack that it could be intercepted (or that it just explodes in the silo, or submarine given their current track record)

Just a missile or two?  Decent chance.  All of their missiles?  No chance.


Russia has about 500 ICBMs.  My estimate is about 50 of those will launch and hit something.  10 of those will hit what they aimed at, even with multi-warheads.

It will be very bad.  Even with 5-15MT yields.  This is not something we want, and it is possible more will make it.  But the state of their systems are shockingly bad, even 15 years ago.

Now imagine the troops that don't even get paid,  and the maintenance guys under them who also don't get paid.  Most of them haven't been properly trained, either.  Which is why the things are in such bad shape when they are decommissioned.

They do not have the motivation, willpower, training, or the money to keep those things in shape at all, let alone tip-top shape.  So while I say 50 will land, good heavens, I'm betting they took really good care of ... 50, and they don't know how well they actually took care of them.  So recent revelations of reality suggest a lot less than that.

Much like the tires Of their vehicles.
 
2022-08-09 2:13:09 PM  
Do they report this because the Russians already know, or are they giving away info it would be better if the Russians didn't know?
 
2022-08-09 2:13:28 PM  

Nimbull: RoyFokker'sGhost: Bob_Laublaw: Karma Chameleon: Can we not just stomp Russia into the ground and be done with it?

I think the issue here is that we would *all* be done with it if the US is in open war with Russia.

I just cannot deal with nuclear war right now. I have concert tickets for October.

Speak for yourself. Just turned 50 this past week. Wife got me...

[Fark user image 850x540]


And...

[Fark user image 580x460]

I'm ready to die happy.

I used to have the full Voltron one I collected at flea markets. Wish I took better care of it but boy did I play the hell out of it as a kid and had fun.


The Soul of Chogokin line is seriously good stuff. Part of Bandai's premier collector line. Solid connections. Great articulation. *All* the accessories (lions came with every weapon, from the individual jaw blades and cannons to the rare stuff like the Solar Combat Spear and the Electro-whip).

It is *so* choice. I highly recommend you obtain one, should you have the means.
 
2022-08-09 2:16:14 PM  

aungen: PaceyWhitter:
But the state of their systems are shockingly bad, even 15 years ago.


And how do we know that? Given everyone believed the whole "Putin's sick" bullshiat put about by the Kremlin who's to say they're not also putting it about that their systems are underfunded and decrepit?
 
2022-08-09 2:17:59 PM  

Nimbull: like this the more I'm thinking sending all these things over to Ukraine is a way to actually test out some of these things as well as deal with any surplus that may be reaching it's end of life. I honestly don't mind if my tin foil hat thoughts were accurate since it's for a good cause of pounding orc invaders from what is effectively a mob run country


War is a great way for the ruling class to get rid of a lot of surplus -- surplus ammo, surplus aircraft, surplus artillery, surplus people,..
 
2022-08-09 2:20:15 PM  

stamped human bacon: markhwt: stamped human bacon: markhwt: Now we are praising Raytheon? This place sucks.

Yeah, that's too bad. I made a career working for Raytheon and am now collecting my well-earned pension, thank you very much. Saw some incredible places, met some incredible people and worked on some very incredible hardware. I have nothing but good things to say about Raytheon.

Well as long as you got paid and they were nice to you then everything is good.

Right. Okay then. I hope you can recover from whatever trauma Raytheon has inflicted upon you.


Enjoy your blood money retirement.
 
2022-08-09 2:22:03 PM  

saphrophyte: Now consider which platform these are supposed to be launched from..


Wait, are you suggesting that we secretly gave Ukraine F-16s and that these F-16s have been flying secret night time missions, because if that is true, and you are a Russian fighter pilot, that is critical information that the Russian Fighter pilot needs to know in order to make the best tactical approach to combat that he can.  In this case that tactical approach would be to fly to Turkey, land and defect.
 
2022-08-09 2:23:38 PM  
Farkers cheering for Raytheon... incredible. We're all made worse off if we allow this or any other conflict to manufacture consent for America's corrupt and morally bankrupt military-industrial racket.

Wild that we have members bragging about their careers at Raytheon.. I guess murdering Middle Eastern children and selling weapons to insane Emirati dictators must pay well. Still a weird flex though.
 
2022-08-09 2:26:19 PM  

winedrinkingman: saphrophyte: Now consider which platform these are supposed to be launched from..

Wait, are you suggesting that we secretly gave Ukraine F-16s and that these F-16s have been flying secret night time missions, because if that is true, and you are a Russian fighter pilot, that is critical information that the Russian Fighter pilot needs to know in order to make the best tactical approach to combat that he can.  In this case that tactical approach would be to fly to Turkey, land and defect.


Now that I am thinking about it, is there a way we could Gofundme an award package to the first Russian pilot to fly to Turkey and defect with his military aircraft?  It would have to be ran by someone we could all trust, and promoted somehow in a way that Russian fighter pilots would hear about it, but I actually like the idea of using money to promote a positive outcome in this war that does not involve some poor Russian kid dying.  Plus, once the rest of the Russian pilots realize that this is an option for them, rather or not there is any prize money, more might go for it.
 
2022-08-09 2:28:17 PM  
spoiler: it's actually a finnish sniper
 
2022-08-09 2:30:32 PM  

aungen: PaceyWhitter: vevolis: I'm not all up to date on my military equipment - anti-ballistic-missiles - what is the likelihood that if Russia launches (any) matter of Nuclear attack that it could be intercepted (or that it just explodes in the silo, or submarine given their current track record)

Just a missile or two?  Decent chance.  All of their missiles?  No chance.

Russia has about 500 ICBMs.  My estimate is about 50 of those will launch and hit something.  10 of those will hit what they aimed at, even with multi-warheads.

It will be very bad.  Even with 5-15MT yields.  This is not something we want, and it is possible more will make it.  But the state of their systems are shockingly bad, even 15 years ago.

Now imagine the troops that don't even get paid,  and the maintenance guys under them who also don't get paid.  Most of them haven't been properly trained, either.  Which is why the things are in such bad shape when they are decommissioned.

They do not have the motivation, willpower, training, or the money to keep those things in shape at all, let alone tip-top shape.  So while I say 50 will land, good heavens, I'm betting they took really good care of ... 50, and they don't know how well they actually took care of them.  So recent revelations of reality suggest a lot less than that.

Much like the tires Of their vehicles.


blame it on rio

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2022-08-09 2:44:11 PM  
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