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2022-08-09 10:09:04 AM  
(not subby)
some years back, during Obama administration,  at my neighborhood tavern, several old white male military veterans were complaining about Obamacare, and why the heck should they have to pay for contraception.
"After all, it's not like I need to worry about getting pregnant".
after approx my 3rd beer I said that I feel exactly the same about Viagra.
"After all, it's not like I have to get it up, so why must I pay for it.
 
2022-08-09 10:38:50 AM  
It's almost as if they don't understand how insurance works. You pay into a pool when you don't need services, and in exchange they cover the costs when you do. Paying for services that you don't need, helps cover the people who do, and ultimately helps your ass if you ever need them.
Of course these are the same dipshiats who complain about paying taxes while still benefitting from public services and assets. You can't fix stupid.
 
2022-08-09 10:52:59 AM  
Why am I paying these local school taxes?! I don't have any children!
 
2022-08-09 10:55:47 AM  
If this goes in front of the jackass Trumper federal judge, we are screwed
 
2022-08-09 11:08:09 AM  
Plaintiffs in the Texas case argue that the preventive care mandates violate the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Some object to paying for health insurance plans that cover contraceptives, PrEP drugs, or other preventive care services that may violate their religious beliefs. Plaintiffs also object for economic reasons, arguing that the mandate to cover preventive services raises the price of insurance coverage.

Yes.  You know how many people in my group are within 10-5 years of retirement age and horribly unhealthy because they eat shiat and don't exercise *at all*?  I shouldn't have to subsidize the tens of thousands of dollars they are costing the plan if we're going by this bullshiat.  But I guess constantly gorging yourself on Big Macs into your 60s is "freedom" or something and HIV treatments or BC is "evil".

But hey, the company changed plans to a higher deductible that the most unhealthy can afford the easiest.  Meanwhile, I'm having shell out thousands of dollars to have a heart ultrasound to see how much genetics have caught up with me.
 
2022-08-09 11:51:11 AM  
Texas' goal is to be Doctor-Free and Teacher-Free by 2030.  The US is bracing to handle the refugee problem.
 
2022-08-09 11:51:22 AM  
The doctors' group points to research showing that expanded access to preventive care and coverage, ushered in by the ACA, has led to an increase in colon cancer screenings, vaccinations, use of contraception and chronic disease screenings. There's also data to show that expanded coverage has reduced racial and ethnic disparities in preventive care.

I found another reason why these "religious" groups also don't want to fund insurance for preventive care.
 
2022-08-09 11:52:14 AM  
"Texans file lawsuit against insurance, saying they don't want to pay for services that aren't directly useful to them"

Aren't these the same assholes who always have their hands out for Federal $$$ when disaster strikes?
 
2022-08-09 11:52:40 AM  
And why am I paying into Social Security? This is bullshiat!
 
2022-08-09 11:52:56 AM  
Just secede already. No one likes you Texas. You strut around acting like your the big dog in town but you're all pussies. Your big battle cry is remember the Alamo. The thing you lost. You lose more than the French. You're an embarrassment to yourself and the rest of the United States and we'd all appreciate it if you'd either leave or sit the fark down and shut the fark up.
 
2022-08-09 11:55:00 AM  
The RFRA is a curse upon this nation.
 
2022-08-09 11:55:13 AM  
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2022-08-09 11:55:47 AM  
I'm on board with this - from now on, when you sign up for health care, you can either select "include preventive care" or "decline preventive care due to religious exemption".  The latter choice will, of course, come with a 50% higher premium due to the added healthcare costs associated with people who refuse preventive care.
 
2022-08-09 11:56:21 AM  

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2022-08-09 11:57:19 AM  
Why am I paying for subsidies to the coal and oil oligarchs? My electricity comes from wind and hydro.
Hold on a second....
 
2022-08-09 11:57:41 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: The doctors' group points to research showing that expanded access to preventive care and coverage, ushered in by the ACA, has led to an increase in colon cancer screenings, vaccinations, use of contraception and chronic disease screenings. There's also data to show that expanded coverage has reduced racial and ethnic disparities in preventive care.

I found another reason why these "religious" groups also don't want to fund insurance for preventive care.


Don't they all use Medishare? Keep hearing commercials for that
 
2022-08-09 11:57:51 AM  
It's insurance, you farking idiots. That's how it works, you morons.

No Republican deserves respect. They're all the stupidest people on the face of the earth. That goes double for the religious farkwads.
 
2022-08-09 11:57:54 AM  
That's not how insurance works, you morons. You want a la carte coverage, you're perfectly free to be personally responsible for medical expenses out of pocket.
 
2022-08-09 11:57:59 AM  
The true evil of Evangelical Christianity. Trying to prevent basic health care because you don't like who gets helped.
If they had any honor they would all commit suicide.
 
2022-08-09 11:58:14 AM  
Why do my tax dollars go to Christian groups via abstinence-only programs and private school vouchers?
 
2022-08-09 11:58:16 AM  

goodluckwiththat: (not subby)
some years back, during Obama administration,  at my neighborhood tavern, several old white male military veterans were complaining about Obamacare, and why the heck should they have to pay for contraception.
"After all, it's not like I need to worry about getting pregnant".
after approx my 3rd beer I said that I feel exactly the same about Viagra.
"After all, it's not like I have to get it up, so why must I pay for it.


Now I know Texas doesn't have the greatest education system but you'd think they'd know that it takes two people to make a baby and that dudes have just as much stake in the availability of contraception and abortion as girls do.

In fact pretty much the only demographic who can complain about having to pay for contraception is gay dudes.
 
2022-08-09 11:58:58 AM  

SpecialSnowFlake: "Texans file lawsuit against insurance, saying they don't want to pay for services that aren't directly useful to them"

Aren't these the same assholes who always have their hands out for Federal $$$ when disaster strikes?


Put their hands out, Commie?
They DEMAND money. Lots of money. Then they brag about how great they are dealing with disasters.
And demand more money.
 
2022-08-09 11:59:00 AM  

jso2897: The RFRA is a curse upon this nation.


The RFRA sucks enough for it's real effects that you don't need to pile on lawsuits that will get laughed out of court.

Unless the ACA has a few more mind bogglingly stupid carve-outs that I'm unaware of.
 
2022-08-09 12:01:31 PM  

saywhonow: Just secede already. No one likes you Texas. You strut around acting like your the big dog in town but you're all pussies. Your big battle cry is remember the Alamo. The thing you lost. You lose more than the French. You're an embarrassment to yourself and the rest of the United States and we'd all appreciate it if you'd either leave or sit the fark down and shut the fark up.


And you're the only place to fight two wars to defend slavery.
Don't mess with Texas!
Just remember to use the bucket of corncobs next to the seat, and dump some lime down the hole on your way out.
 
2022-08-09 12:02:11 PM  
They gave no comprehension of "the greater good", so let's give Texans a lesson and give Texas back to Mexico, for the greater good.
 
2022-08-09 12:02:56 PM  
Why should I pay for the fire department? My house isn't on fire.
 
2022-08-09 12:03:25 PM  
Time to repo Hoverounds from Trump supporters.
 
2022-08-09 12:03:32 PM  

dracos31: The true evil of Evangelical Christianity. Trying to prevent basic health care because you don't like who gets helped.
If they had any honor they would all commit suicide.


That's how Christian Charity works. The point is that there isn't a system with consistent standards. It's that you get to make everyone beg for help and sit in judgement over them.
 
2022-08-09 12:04:12 PM  
Hopefully someone joins the suit to void paying insurance for obese people. Totally their own fault for engaging in risky behavior, why should I have to pay for someone's poor lifestyle choices?
 
2022-08-09 12:05:01 PM  

fat boy: DarkSoulNoHope: The doctors' group points to research showing that expanded access to preventive care and coverage, ushered in by the ACA, has led to an increase in colon cancer screenings, vaccinations, use of contraception and chronic disease screenings. There's also data to show that expanded coverage has reduced racial and ethnic disparities in preventive care.

I found another reason why these "religious" groups also don't want to fund insurance for preventive care.

Don't they all use Medishare? Keep hearing commercials for that


Usually religious groups like this who are attacking private insurance are also evangelists, so even though they have their own "religious alternative" to health insurance plans, they want EVERYONE whether Christian or not to conform to their religious doctrine and will force it upon others anyway they can.
 
2022-08-09 12:06:24 PM  

Kalyco Jack: goodluckwiththat: (not subby)
some years back, during Obama administration,  at my neighborhood tavern, several old white male military veterans were complaining about Obamacare, and why the heck should they have to pay for contraception.
"After all, it's not like I need to worry about getting pregnant".
after approx my 3rd beer I said that I feel exactly the same about Viagra.
"After all, it's not like I have to get it up, so why must I pay for it.

Now I know Texas doesn't have the greatest education system but you'd think they'd know that it takes two people to make a baby and that dudes have just as much stake in the availability of contraception and abortion as girls do.

In fact pretty much the only demographic who can complain about having to pay for contraception is gay dudes.


Cuckservatives are also against child support and government aid for mothers and children.
A Real Man does a lot of farking, but if some slut spreads her legs she and her "mistakes" deserve shame and poverty. There's no reason to victimize the Man and make him wait to buy that new V8.

That is how they think. It really, really is.
 
2022-08-09 12:07:06 PM  

saywhonow: Just secede already. No one likes you Texas. You strut around acting like your the big dog in town but you're all pussies. Your big battle cry is remember the Alamo. The thing you lost. You lose more than the French. You're an embarrassment to yourself and the rest of the United States and we'd all appreciate it if you'd either leave or sit the fark down and shut the fark up.


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2022-08-09 12:07:32 PM  
Well they can always join one of those religious "insurance" groups that can deny you coverage for any reason they see fit to because jesus would deny a sick person that had an STD.
 
2022-08-09 12:08:02 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: fat boy: DarkSoulNoHope: The doctors' group points to research showing that expanded access to preventive care and coverage, ushered in by the ACA, has led to an increase in colon cancer screenings, vaccinations, use of contraception and chronic disease screenings. There's also data to show that expanded coverage has reduced racial and ethnic disparities in preventive care.

I found another reason why these "religious" groups also don't want to fund insurance for preventive care.

Don't they all use Medishare? Keep hearing commercials for that

Usually religious groups like this who are attacking private insurance are also evangelists, so even though they have their own "religious alternative" to health insurance plans, they want EVERYONE whether Christian or not to conform to their religious doctrine and will force it upon others anyway they can.


Exactly - the "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" was designed to allow people the religious freedom to force others to comply with their own arbitrary rules. Kind of like how any republican group with "patriot" in the organization name seeks to destroy the principles the country was founded on.
 
2022-08-09 12:08:08 PM  
Oh, cool. If we get to pick and choose, I don't want any of my tax money going to the Pentagon or defense contractors.
 
2022-08-09 12:08:10 PM  
So the same logic would say that any JW can veto a plan covering a blood transfusion for someone else?
 
2022-08-09 12:08:57 PM  

goodluckwiththat: (not subby)
some years back, during Obama administration,  at my neighborhood tavern, several old white male military veterans were complaining about Obamacare, and why the heck should they have to pay for contraception.
"After all, it's not like I need to worry about getting pregnant".
after approx my 3rd beer I said that I feel exactly the same about Viagra.
"After all, it's not like I have to get it up, so why must I pay for it.


Those same dumbass vets probably go to the VA for healthcare and whine about "Socialized Medicine" without seeing one bit of irony.  Same with the people who praise the military providing healthcare.

/veteran
 
2022-08-09 12:09:10 PM  
Holy shiat, they're actually arguing this.

Plaintiff John Kelley, an orthodontist who lives in Tarrant County, Texas, "has no desire to purchase health insurance that includes contraceptive coverage because his wife is past her child-bearing years," according to the complaint. "He does not want or need health insurance that covers Truvada or PrEP drugs because neither he nor any of his family members is engaged in behavior that transmits HIV," the complaint continues.
 
2022-08-09 12:10:18 PM  

bighairyguy: They gave no comprehension of "the greater good", so let's give Texans a lesson and give Texas back to Mexico, for the greater good.


I once tried that with Florida.  Offered to give Florida back to Spain.
Spain LOL'd and said they have a strict no return policy.
 
2022-08-09 12:11:03 PM  
Is someone forcing these people to purchase insurance coverage they disagree with? There is no penalty now for not having medical insurance.
 
2022-08-09 12:11:14 PM  
RWNJ media has irreversibly poisoned the entire concept of cooperation as Communism among millions of dependent morons who think they're self-sufficient.
 
2022-08-09 12:11:51 PM  
Plaintiffs in the Texas case argue that the preventive care mandates violate the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Some object to paying for health insurance plans that cover contraceptives, PrEP drugs, or other preventive care services that may violate their religious beliefs.

Fark you, Hobby Lobby.

Plaintiffs also object for economic reasons, arguing that the mandate to cover preventive services raises the price of insurance coverage.

The pregnancies, cancers, and other medical conditions that will occur without preventative services will raise the price even more. You dumb farks.
 
2022-08-09 12:12:34 PM  
Oh, thank baby Jeebus, Mud Daub is here to flail about telling us how great Texas really is.  I was worried that he overslept.
 
2022-08-09 12:13:04 PM  
They aren't paying for them. The health insurance companies don't charge for services that reduce the amount of money they have to pay for. Pregnancy is expensive and birth control is much cheaper.
 
2022-08-09 12:13:29 PM  

giantmeteor: It's almost as if they don't understand how insurance works. You pay into a pool when you don't need services, and in exchange they cover the costs when you do. Paying for services that you don't need, helps cover the people who do, and ultimately helps your ass if you ever need them.
Of course these are the same dipshiats who complain about paying taxes while still benefitting from public services and assets. You can't fix stupid.


Sounds a lot like socialism.
 
2022-08-09 12:14:15 PM  
No insurance for Texas. They can open gofundmes when they need help.
 
2022-08-09 12:14:42 PM  

giantmeteor: It's almost as if they don't understand how insurance works. You pay into a pool when you don't need services, and in exchange they cover the costs when you do. Paying for services that you don't need, helps cover the people who do, and ultimately helps your ass if you ever need them.
Of course these are the same dipshiats who complain about paying taxes while still benefitting from public services and assets. You can't fix stupid.


That's Socialism!

/ throws chair
 
2022-08-09 12:20:06 PM  
Buried in the New York Times article, this is the work of the Master Architect of Abortion Bills, Johnathan Mitchel, who's unique revisiting of the Privateer concept intrigues the sophists on the bench.

The Confederates had privateers although most of Europe abolished them in 1857, and the Hague Conference in 1907.

Here's a little tidbit there are many.  Apparently we are at war with women now and pretending to be in a different century or two.

European governments regularly issued documents known as Letters of Marque and Reprisal to legitimize privately outfitted men-of-war. In a tradition dating back to the Middle Ages, under highly regulated conditions, these documents authorized private parties to attack enemy vessels. Without the documentation, these same activities were considered acts of piracy and subject to prosecution. If a privateer captured an enemy ship (known as a prize), an admiralty prize court had to approve the seizure. Then, the proceeds from the sale of the prize and its cargo were shared among the owners and crew of the privateer according to a pre-arranged contract.
 
2022-08-09 12:21:32 PM  
Would they say the same thing about the fire department?
"Well, my house isn't on fire NOW. Why should I have to pay home insurance and town taxes?"
 
2022-08-09 12:22:25 PM  
I'm not a soldier.  Why should my taxes go towards the VA?
 
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