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(Screen Rant)   "The DCEU has announced a 10-year plan with the intention of copying Marvel's MCU, but we've been here before, and it went horribly wrong"   (screenrant.com) divider line
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2022-08-09 8:30:25 AM  
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2022-08-09 8:32:02 AM  
Will Snyder be involved?
 
2022-08-09 8:42:38 AM  
The head of Warner-Discovery sounds like a total asshole.
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2022-08-09 8:44:21 AM  

SpectroBoy: [shutupandtakemymoney.com image 624x500]


I just want my Tron movie, so MAYBE Disney can "uncancel" Uprising since that was so damn good and would have done a decent job building up to Legacy's status quo.

/If only Tomorrowland bombing didn't give the execs cold feet
//and Uprising was only canceled because the sequel to Legacy was being teased
///I fight, for the third slashie
 
2022-08-09 8:48:00 AM  
I can't help but note that Bruce Timm's name wasn't mentioned in this article, so I can assume that Warner Brothers still doesn't have someone to oversee the plan that is a comic geek.

Just put Bruce in charge of your movie universe. He can get things done, on a budget even, and finds writers who KNOW their material and can write emotional stories. He literally created DCEU's most popular character. Just give up the pride that a TV animation guy might know more than 'blockbuster' filmmakers, and let him work his magic. And maybe replace that Ezra Miller kid, he seems like he's got some stuff on his plate right now.
 
2022-08-09 8:51:57 AM  
The only part of the MCU that WB cares about copying is the profits. They're not interesting in duplicating the effort, talent or planning required to make it happen so we know how it's going to turn out
 
2022-08-09 8:52:48 AM  
Instead of Thanos the Justice League just chases Ezra Miller from crime to crime.
 
2022-08-09 8:56:20 AM  

SpectroBoy: [shutupandtakemymoney.com image 624x500]


Isn't Morbius technically a Sony movie and not part of the MCU?
 
2022-08-09 8:57:37 AM  

Glitchwerks: SpectroBoy: [shutupandtakemymoney.com image 624x500]

Isn't Morbius technically a Sony movie and not part of the MCU?


No, it's just Morbin time.
 
2022-08-09 9:02:39 AM  

Glitchwerks: SpectroBoy: [shutupandtakemymoney.com image 624x500]

Isn't Morbius technically a Sony movie and not part of the MCU?


Morbius is still Marvel and Jared is still the worst.
 
2022-08-09 9:03:56 AM  
Canceling the almost completed Batgirl is an excellent start. /s
 
2022-08-09 9:04:52 AM  

Glitchwerks: SpectroBoy: [shutupandtakemymoney.com image 624x500]

Isn't Morbius technically a Sony movie and not part of the MCU?


It's not just a technicality. There's is, in now way at all, a tie to the MCU. It's not a Marvel movie either. The closest is it's a Marvel Comics character.

As you mention, it's Sony.

Venom has a tiny reference to the MCU after the last movie, but it is unreciprocated.

Like I've wondered for years, why the hell do people hire Leto?
 
2022-08-09 9:08:21 AM  

hubiestubert: I can't help but note that Bruce Timm's name wasn't mentioned in this article, so I can assume that Warner Brothers still doesn't have someone to oversee the plan that is a comic geek.

Just put Bruce in charge of your movie universe. He can get things done, on a budget even, and finds writers who KNOW their material and can write emotional stories. He literally created DCEU's most popular character. Just give up the pride that a TV animation guy might know more than 'blockbuster' filmmakers, and let him work his magic. And maybe replace that Ezra Miller kid, he seems like he's got some stuff on his plate right now.


And Bruce has been tanking it on purpose lately. He can suck just as much as DC live action wants. If they want Batman boning  Jim Gordon's daughter he can do that too.
 
2022-08-09 9:10:27 AM  

SuperChuck: The only part of the MCU that WB cares about copying is the profits. They're not interesting in duplicating the effort, talent or planning required to make it happen so we know how it's going to turn out


They have a "plan", but as you said, it's doubtful they're going to put the creative effort or assessment into it. The MCU started small; they'll have a Justice League movie in Year 2 (DNRTFA, just guessing). Marvel recast roles several times; that Miller kid will be an albatross, and the Flash movie will tarnish everymovie, even if they try to multiverse out. The MCU got Iron Man and Cap perfect; they'll muck up Superman (again), because Superman is a hero from another age, and if you try to darken his personality, or conflict his relationship to humanity, you lose the Big Blue Boy Scout. And I am 100% certain that I still won't get to see Zatanna in fishnets in IMAX, so fark 'em.
 
2022-08-09 9:20:00 AM  

Quantumbunny: It's not just a technicality. There's is, in now way at all, a tie to the MCU. It's not a Marvel movie either. The closest is it's a Marvel Comics character. As you mention, it's Sony.



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2022-08-09 9:20:27 AM  
I'm hoping that in 10 years, all superhero movies will be nothing but a distant memory.
 
2022-08-09 9:21:36 AM  
Well, when you start with the dreck that is the DC comics universe, and you hand that to a parade of incompetent edgelords, something good has to come out eventually, right?
 
2022-08-09 9:24:51 AM  
I missed it before.
It is even tagged as a Marvel property on the movie poster.

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2022-08-09 9:25:18 AM  

WhippingBoi: I'm hoping that in 10 years, all superhero movies will be nothing but a distant memory.


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2022-08-09 9:30:06 AM  

SpectroBoy: Quantumbunny: It's not just a technicality. There's is, in now way at all, a tie to the MCU. It's not a Marvel movie either. The closest is it's a Marvel Comics character. As you mention, it's Sony.


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Sony can't make a decent movie using third-tier Spider-man characters, so its only hope is to hope that people mistake the piss it's handing out for Marvel by playing up the in-name-only connection. I absolutely positive that all Disney/Marvel wants to do is disavow as much association between what Sony does with Morbius or Silver Sable or Kraven as they're contractually able to do, and I'm equally sure that whatever Silver Sable or Black Cat or Kraven the Hunter movie Sony ends up making will be just as unwatchable as Venom and Morbius have been.
 
2022-08-09 9:35:50 AM  

SpectroBoy: I missed it before.
It is even tagged as a Marvel property on the movie poster.

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It's technically a Marvel character, but the movie is not part of the official MCU.  So it's kind of fake Marvel.

That's just how I see it.

Quantumbunny: Like I've wondered for years, why the hell do people hire Leto?


Who knows?  He's like Ezra Miller.  I just don't understand the appeal.
 
2022-08-09 9:38:24 AM  

WhippingBoi: I'm hoping that in 10 years, all superhero movies will be nothing but a distant memory.


Everything will be Issekai Superhero Zombie Western Rom-Coms directed by AI direct Michael JJ Baybrams and Adam Sandler
 
2022-08-09 9:41:46 AM  
Maybe try making like 2 good movies in a row before you roll out a ten year plan.
 
2022-08-09 9:46:45 AM  
Amazing how many people in this thread can't figure out that, colloquially, "a Marvel movie" means it was made by Marvel Studios--not that 'Marvel happens to be the owner of this IP but doesn't actually have film control over it so Sony stamps "Marvel" on it hoping to rope in the ignorant people who don't understand the difference.'
 
2022-08-09 9:57:04 AM  
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2022-08-09 9:59:35 AM  
A 10 year moratorium on all comic book/super hero shiat would be nice
 
2022-08-09 10:00:17 AM  

Karma Chameleon: A 10 year moratorium on all comic book/super hero shiat would be nice


*once The Boys finishes
 
2022-08-09 10:00:49 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Amazing how many people in this thread can't figure out that, colloquially, "a Marvel movie" means it was made by Marvel Studios--not that 'Marvel happens to be the owner of this IP but doesn't actually have film control over it so Sony stamps "Marvel" on it hoping to rope in the ignorant people who don't understand the difference.'


It gets confusing especially since some of the Sony Marvel stuff, even aside from Spider-man, is bleeding into the MCU or vice-versa. Like Venom showing up in No Way Home, or Keaton showing up in Morbius
 
2022-08-09 10:03:24 AM  

SpectroBoy: I missed it before.
It is even tagged as a Marvel property on the movie poster.

[Fark user image image 850x1275]


Marvel as in created by Marvel Comics, yes.

"Marvel" as in part of Marvel Studios or connected to the MCU stories? No.

*spoilers? *  Free Guy isn't a Marvel Property either, but it contains better representation of MCU related tropes and actors than what I have seen of Morbius.

Going back to the thread at hand. Marvel didn't have a 10 year "plan" with Iron Man.  They were winging it from the start with their new film studio.  AND they were willing to take chances on LESSER known characters to adapt and build a world around.
 
2022-08-09 10:03:56 AM  

Karma Chameleon: Karma Chameleon: A 10 year moratorium on all comic book/super hero shiat would be nice

*once The Boys finishes


What do you suppose Hollywood will make instead?
 
2022-08-09 10:09:00 AM  
I love watching Fark argue which Marvel movies are ackchyually Marvel movies.
 
2022-08-09 10:16:04 AM  
They keep talking about how Birds of Prey was a flop, but it was #3 at the box office for movies released theatrically during 2020.

I mean it is not like anything happened that year to make the box office numbers wonky past March.
 
2022-08-09 10:16:31 AM  

skyotter: I love watching Fark argue which Marvel movies are ackchyually Marvel movies.


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2022-08-09 10:17:46 AM  
No more A-List Characters. No Superman. No Wonder Woman. And especially no f*cking Batman. Dig thru DC's historic cavalcade of minor characters for something more obscure. Something people haven't already been subjected to a hundred dozen times already. Try to make the best version of that.

I still say Space Cabbie would be a great one to try out.

I see it sort of as The Last Starfighter crossed with Smokey and The Bandit.
 
2022-08-09 10:18:33 AM  

skyotter: I love watching Fark argue which Marvel movies are ackchyually Marvel movies.


The good ones, duh. So, the MCU, Blade, X2, Deadpool.
 
2022-08-09 10:25:19 AM  

bloobeary: No more A-List Characters. No Superman. No Wonder Woman. And especially no f*cking Batman. Dig thru DC's historic cavalcade of minor characters for something more obscure. Something people haven't already been subjected to a hundred dozen times already. Try to make the best version of that.

I still say Space Cabbie would be a great one to try out.

I see it sort of as The Last Starfighter crossed with Smokey and The Bandit.


Isn't Space Cabbie kind of a square? I think an anthology-type approach, focused on his different fares: three 30-minute acts, with random Lobo appearances.
 
2022-08-09 10:31:09 AM  

SpectroBoy: I missed it before.
It is even tagged as a Marvel property on the movie poster.

[Fark user image 850x1275]


Reminds me of the poster for the MST3K classic "Werewolf".

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2022-08-09 10:44:35 AM  
DC/WB doesn't need to copy Marvel, they can't be bothered to make and keep to any damn plan without abruptly shiatting themselves.

Throwing away $90M to not release Batgirl was asinine. Continually rebooting characters is stupid. Playing the Easter egg tease with Affleck in Aquaman 2 while also scrapping the JL Snyderverse is extra dumb as fark.

Just put Timm and Dini in charge and slap the corporate studio goobers upside the head. All of DC/WB's failures are entirely self inflicted by being so overly cautious to avoid risk, they dick around getting run over by the industry and miss the chances.
 
2022-08-09 10:46:23 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Amazing how many people in this thread can't figure out that, colloquially, "a Marvel movie" means it was made by Marvel Studios--not that 'Marvel happens to be the owner of this IP but doesn't actually have film control over it so Sony stamps "Marvel" on it hoping to rope in the ignorant people who don't understand the difference.'


Any movie featuring Marvel characters is a Marvel movie. And thanks to all the multiverse crossovers (and a few corporate takeovers), nearly all of them are connected to the MCU now. There's a definite quality distinction depending on which company made them, but it's silly to insist that when someone says "Marvel movie", everyone knows that really means "Marvel Studios movie". Casual viewers aren't that wrapped up in it, and they weren't sitting through No Way Home talking about how Tom Holland is the "real" Spider-Man because he was produced under the Disney deal, Maguire and Garfield weren't "real" Spider-Men because they were Sony, but maybe now that they're in a Marvel Studios movie they count as "real" after all. The nerd wankery over these movies gets a little obsessive.
 
2022-08-09 10:56:02 AM  
I want to see the DCEU succeed, but only because I want to see a series of Amalgam Universe movies and TV shows.  Supersoldier vs. Bruce Wayne, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D would be awesome.
 
2022-08-09 10:59:36 AM  

WhippingBoi: I'm hoping that in 10 years, all superhero movies will be nothing but a distant memory.


Nah, it's one of the few genres where people who both like them and hate them spend money/time to see them. It's a win-win.
 
2022-08-09 11:03:24 AM  

bloobeary: No more A-List Characters. No Superman. No Wonder Woman. And especially no f*cking Batman. Dig thru DC's historic cavalcade of minor characters for something more obscure. Something people haven't already been subjected to a hundred dozen times already. Try to make the best version of that.

I still say Space Cabbie would be a great one to try out.

I see it sort of as The Last Starfighter crossed with Smokey and The Bandit.


I want the summer of 2026 to be all about the clash of competing Space Cabbie / US Archer Space Trucker movies.
 
2022-08-09 11:03:59 AM  
Start with Booster Gold and Blue Beetle.

Then throw in Mary Marvel's twist with Darkseid (just mention the big fight).  Build up from there.  Gold can be the therapy cat.
 
2022-08-09 11:06:04 AM  

houstondragon: Throwing away $90M to not release Batgirl was asinine. Continually rebooting characters is stupid.


It's true, it's really too late for DC to do the MCU thing. It's not going to stop them of course but how many Batmen have there been? And I'm sure there will be another Superman. I might be missing someone but as far as I know, the only Avenger who was rebooted was The Hulk, unless Spider-Man counts.
 
2022-08-09 11:08:02 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: The head of Warner-Discovery sounds like a total asshole.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/BATUyrAQqZU]


holy fark is he ever revolting, his mere voice is like nails on a chalkboard
 
2022-08-09 11:10:31 AM  

EdgeRunner: NeedlesslyCanadian: Amazing how many people in this thread can't figure out that, colloquially, "a Marvel movie" means it was made by Marvel Studios--not that 'Marvel happens to be the owner of this IP but doesn't actually have film control over it so Sony stamps "Marvel" on it hoping to rope in the ignorant people who don't understand the difference.'

Any movie featuring Marvel characters is a Marvel movie. And thanks to all the multiverse crossovers (and a few corporate takeovers), nearly all of them are connected to the MCU now. There's a definite quality distinction depending on which company made them, but it's silly to insist that when someone says "Marvel movie", everyone knows that really means "Marvel Studios movie". Casual viewers aren't that wrapped up in it, and they weren't sitting through No Way Home talking about how Tom Holland is the "real" Spider-Man because he was produced under the Disney deal, Maguire and Garfield weren't "real" Spider-Men because they were Sony, but maybe now that they're in a Marvel Studios movie they count as "real" after all. The nerd wankery over these movies gets a little obsessive.


For old folks like me who read lots of comics before the first Spider-Man movie came out, any Marvel character doubts as a Marvel movie. The main MCU movies have been good but they are so BIG that the street-level Spider-man stuff gets lost in the world-ending stakes. The huge cast of characters Marvel comics built up allows for a lot of stories to grow naturally from interactions but the movies only have so many minutes to set things up. A Spider-Man D+ show that let a huge host of minor villains get some time could seed the ground for some great stuff.

All that to say, Batman is known for having the best villains. Spider-Man is known for having the most villains. I wish Sony didnt suck at building the street level world the MCU is missing.
 
2022-08-09 11:13:41 AM  

Mugato: houstondragon: Throwing away $90M to not release Batgirl was asinine. Continually rebooting characters is stupid.

It's true, it's really too late for DC to do the MCU thing. It's not going to stop them of course but how many Batmen have there been? And I'm sure there will be another Superman. I might be missing someone but as far as I know, the only Avenger who was rebooted was The Hulk, unless Spider-Man counts.


The last Batman movie made 3/4 of a billion dollars. The last Joker movie made over a billion. In comparison, movies featuring lesser known characters didn't do so well (The Suicide Squad made $169M, for example).

Batman's not going away any time soon.
 
2022-08-09 11:17:06 AM  

WhippingBoi: I'm hoping that in 10 years, all superhero movies will be nothing but a distant memory.


The oldest recoded story - the Epic of Gilgamesh - was basically a superhero story. Superhero stories aren't going anywhere.

That said, I would hope the specific superhero stories will be different 10 years from now. Sadly I think it's safe to say that at least DC is going to be rebooting and retelling Batman and Superman over and over until the farking heat death of the universe.
 
2022-08-09 11:25:18 AM  

stationalpha5: Isn't Space Cabbie kind of a square? I think an anthology-type approach, focused on his different fares: three 30-minute acts, with random Lobo appearances.


Anthology movies are weak sauce. Too unfocused. This calls for one big story to drive it home. And it needs to be an origin story. Lobo would make for a good bad guy for the piece.

Space Cabbie's background had him being a soldier as part of his origin story, so... ex soldier, highly skilled combat driver down on his luck but trying to get back on his feet. Maybe he's divorced and wants to make good for the sake of his kid. He tries and fails to land a decent job and ends up driving a beat up old cab in a bad part of town.

But, then one night, after using his expert driving skills to deliver a strange little man to the airport in record time, a new job miraculously lands in his lap, A job that turns out to be more than it seemed. He's driving a cab... for aliens, in outer space.

But, his very first job is to deliver a very special passenger to a very special location, so she can give a very important speech... and forces are conspiring to see that she doesn't make it. Now he's on a mad dash across the galaxy with hell and damnation on his tail, and he'll need to use every trick he knows to deliver his passenger on-time and unharmed.

I see a Ryan Reynolds/Chris Pratt/Paul Rudd type for the lead.
 
2022-08-09 11:25:50 AM  

mongbiohazard: WhippingBoi: I'm hoping that in 10 years, all superhero movies will be nothing but a distant memory.

The oldest recoded story - the Epic of Gilgamesh - was basically a superhero story. Superhero stories aren't going anywhere.


They're still finding tablets of nerd rage from when the Babylonians rebooted and de-canonized some of the Sumerian.
 
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