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(Wired UK)   Facebook might be forced to stop operating in Europe **Europe likes this**   (wired.co.uk) divider line
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2022-08-09 11:03:33 AM  
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2022-08-09 12:43:04 PM  
Yes I'm sure politicians are just lining up to be the ones to tell large swaths of their countries to go fark themselves.
 
2022-08-09 12:45:47 PM  
Lucky bastards.
 
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2022-08-09 12:48:57 PM  
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2022-08-09 12:52:25 PM  

SMB2811: Yes I'm sure politicians are just lining up to be the ones to tell large swaths of their countries to go fark themselves.


No, just Meta & other folks who thought that they were too big or important to follow EU regulations. Most of the Big Tech companies are already GDPR-compliant.
 
2022-08-09 12:54:13 PM  
I quit facebook when the pandemic started and I noticed all the extra vitriol and idiocy coming from it. I've found that I don't miss it at all.
 
2022-08-09 12:56:33 PM  
The folks that really need to sweat, I think, are Meta, Alphabet, and Apple. Amazon and Oracle are dealing with their non-compliance issues, Microsoft and Twitter have largely dealt with theirs.
 
2022-08-09 12:59:50 PM  
Not spiffy
While the case focuses on Meta, it has widespread ramifications, potentially impacting thousands of businesses across Europe that rely upon the services of Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and more.
 
2022-08-09 1:06:57 PM  
Jeez.  And the booze is cheaper there too.
 
2022-08-09 2:01:33 PM  
Europe does a lot of things right, but their data privacy policies going all the way back to the Right to be Forgotten, are absolutely idiotic and go a long way to explaining why outside of Stockholm and London, the EU is largely a tech startup desert. And London's not even part of the EU anymore.

To repeat for the umpteenth time: shiat you post to Facebook is not your data once you post it to n Facebook. Metadata collected about you is not your data either, it's data about you much in the same way as if I remembered bumping in to you at the porno store. You don't get to interact with people and companies in a public way and then insist that you get to control how they recall you later.
 
2022-08-09 2:30:17 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Not spiffy
While the case focuses on Meta, it has widespread ramifications, potentially impacting thousands of businesses across Europe that rely upon the services of Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and more.


My guess is that those impacts aren't due to aspects germane to those businesses' models but because those cloud services can't get their shiat straight. If that is correct I'd be pissed at those services and hoping some European focused competition would be introduced into the mix.
 
2022-08-09 2:38:53 PM  
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2022-08-09 2:42:26 PM  

Lusiphur: Europe does a lot of things right, but their data privacy policies going all the way back to the Right to be Forgotten, are absolutely idiotic and go a long way to explaining why outside of Stockholm and London, the EU is largely a tech startup desert. And London's not even part of the EU anymore.

To repeat for the umpteenth time: shiat you post to Facebook is not your data once you post it to n Facebook. Metadata collected about you is not your data either, it's data about you much in the same way as if I remembered bumping in to you at the porno store. You don't get to interact with people and companies in a public way and then insist that you get to control how they recall you later.


Okay, how about every time you set foot in public I follow you around to every place you visit? I note down how you got there, if you go inside, the path you took when you wandered around the place, what you looked at, what you picked up and put back, what you bought (if anything), how long you stayed there, who you talked to (and tried to figure out whether I think you know them or not), what clothes you were wearing, what you ate, how old I think you are, and anything else I can glean from being your shadow. Then I sell that information to anyone who will pay me for it?

In the real world that might translate into harassment or stalking really quickly, but Facebook gets to do that (and more) and get away with it because they made it really easy to post pictures of pets being cute, baby announcements, get-togethers, and infinite drivel to distract their users from figuring out how a free site is able to make enough money to cover costs.
 
2022-08-09 3:46:34 PM  

Lusiphur: Europe does a lot of things right, but their data privacy policies going all the way back to the Right to be Forgotten, are absolutely idiotic and go a long way to explaining why outside of Stockholm and London, the EU is largely a tech startup desert. And London's not even part of the EU anymore.

To repeat for the umpteenth time: shiat you post to Facebook is not your data once you post it to n Facebook. Metadata collected about you is not your data either, it's data about you much in the same way as if I remembered bumping in to you at the porno store. You don't get to interact with people and companies in a public way and then insist that you get to control how they recall you later.


The lack of the Right to be Forgotten is moronic, and largely explains why there's no tech startups in USA outside Silicon Valley.

Let me repeat for the Nth time. The EU gets to make the laws in the EU, and companies that can't deal with it goes bankrupt. Which is why anything you have is either from the EU or China.
 
2022-08-09 3:52:29 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: The lack of the Right to be Forgotten is moronic, and largely explains why there's no tech startups in USA outside Silicon Valley.


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2022-08-09 3:54:41 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Lusiphur: Europe does a lot of things right, but their data privacy policies going all the way back to the Right to be Forgotten, are absolutely idiotic and go a long way to explaining why outside of Stockholm and London, the EU is largely a tech startup desert. And London's not even part of the EU anymore.

To repeat for the umpteenth time: shiat you post to Facebook is not your data once you post it to n Facebook. Metadata collected about you is not your data either, it's data about you much in the same way as if I remembered bumping in to you at the porno store. You don't get to interact with people and companies in a public way and then insist that you get to control how they recall you later.

The lack of the Right to be Forgotten is moronic, and largely explains why there's no tech startups in USA outside Silicon Valley.

Let me repeat for the Nth time. The EU gets to make the laws in the EU, and companies that can't deal with it goes bankrupt. Which is why anything you have is either from the EU or China.


The Right to be Forgotten, as well as many of EU's digital privacy laws, would be unconstitutional in the United States (violations of the First Amendment (both the Free Speech and Free Press portions) and probably other parts of the constitution).
 
2022-08-09 3:55:34 PM  

basscomm: Lusiphur: Europe does a lot of things right, but their data privacy policies going all the way back to the Right to be Forgotten, are absolutely idiotic and go a long way to explaining why outside of Stockholm and London, the EU is largely a tech startup desert. And London's not even part of the EU anymore.

To repeat for the umpteenth time: shiat you post to Facebook is not your data once you post it to n Facebook. Metadata collected about you is not your data either, it's data about you much in the same way as if I remembered bumping in to you at the porno store. You don't get to interact with people and companies in a public way and then insist that you get to control how they recall you later.

Okay, how about every time you set foot in public I follow you around to every place you visit? I note down how you got there, if you go inside, the path you took when you wandered around the place, what you looked at, what you picked up and put back, what you bought (if anything), how long you stayed there, who you talked to (and tried to figure out whether I think you know them or not), what clothes you were wearing, what you ate, how old I think you are, and anything else I can glean from being your shadow. Then I sell that information to anyone who will pay me for it?

In the real world that might translate into harassment or stalking really quickly, but Facebook gets to do that (and more) and get away with it because they made it really easy to post pictures of pets being cute, baby announcements, get-togethers, and infinite drivel to distract their users from figuring out how a free site is able to make enough money to cover costs.


Sssh.  I'm starting a new gig economy job.  I select a person at random then hire somebody to follow them around all day and take copious notes, which I then put into a database and sell.  I haven't actually done any more than write that sentence, but Facebook will probably buy me out for $100m.  See you on the beach, suckers!
 
2022-08-09 3:57:46 PM  
While Meta may not leave Europe, it may have to make changes to how it stores and transfers data once the final decision from the Irish regulator is published, although there is no set timeline. It may also face a fine.

"My guess is that Meta is going to have to look at some form of geo-siloing if they want to continue to operate in the EU," says Calli Schroeder, global privacy counsel at the Electronic Privacy Information Center

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No shiat.
 
2022-08-09 3:59:54 PM  

Lusiphur: and go a long way to explaining why outside of Stockholm and London, the EU is largely a tech startup desert.


And Berlin. And Prague. And Bucharest.

It's very easy to find tech talent and startups in Europe.
 
2022-08-09 4:07:14 PM  

Cajnik: Lusiphur: and go a long way to explaining why outside of Stockholm and London, the EU is largely a tech startup desert.

And Berlin. And Prague. And Bucharest.

It's very easy to find tech talent and startups in Europe.


There is a cultural difference that discourages it, though.  In Silicon Valley in particular and the US in general, failure/bankruptcy doesn't taint everybody involved; they all try again on something else.  In much of the rest of the world, if your start up goes bankrupt you are damaged goods.  The whole corporate culture makes people risk averse.
 
2022-08-09 4:11:30 PM  

Geotpf: Ketchuponsteak: Lusiphur: Europe does a lot of things right, but their data privacy policies going all the way back to the Right to be Forgotten, are absolutely idiotic and go a long way to explaining why outside of Stockholm and London, the EU is largely a tech startup desert. And London's not even part of the EU anymore.

To repeat for the umpteenth time: shiat you post to Facebook is not your data once you post it to n Facebook. Metadata collected about you is not your data either, it's data about you much in the same way as if I remembered bumping in to you at the porno store. You don't get to interact with people and companies in a public way and then insist that you get to control how they recall you later.

The lack of the Right to be Forgotten is moronic, and largely explains why there's no tech startups in USA outside Silicon Valley.

Let me repeat for the Nth time. The EU gets to make the laws in the EU, and companies that can't deal with it goes bankrupt. Which is why anything you have is either from the EU or China.

The Right to be Forgotten, as well as many of EU's digital privacy laws, would be unconstitutional in the United States (violations of the First Amendment (both the Free Speech and Free Press portions) and probably other parts of the constitution).


Third parties data mining and storing data they don't own, or create, is not speech.
 
2022-08-09 4:12:53 PM  

Geotpf: Ketchuponsteak: The lack of the Right to be Forgotten is moronic, and largely explains why there's no tech startups in USA outside Silicon Valley.

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I was mocking him by being just as stupid, I thought that was obvious. ;)
 
2022-08-09 5:56:44 PM  

Cajnik: It's very easy to find tech talent and startups in Europe.


I just sit back and let them find me. They usually email me overnight telling me about hot, lonely Slovenian girls or Romanian divorcees who are DTF with no strings.

I jump right on that shiat, it only costs me .125 BTC.
 
2022-08-09 6:16:55 PM  

Lusiphur: Europe does a lot of things right, but their data privacy policies going all the way back to the Right to be Forgotten, are absolutely idiotic and go a long way to explaining why outside of Stockholm and London, the EU is largely a tech startup desert. And London's not even part of the EU anymore.

To repeat for the umpteenth time: shiat you post to Facebook is not your data once you post it to n Facebook. Metadata collected about you is not your data either, it's data about you much in the same way as if I remembered bumping in to you at the porno store. You don't get to interact with people and companies in a public way and then insist that you get to control how they recall you later.


That's the same effed up logic that says that you don't have a right to privacy outside of your house, because hey, you are in a public space.
 
2022-08-09 6:37:05 PM  
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2022-08-10 12:05:21 AM  

padraig: Lusiphur: Europe does a lot of things right, but their data privacy policies going all the way back to the Right to be Forgotten, are absolutely idiotic and go a long way to explaining why outside of Stockholm and London, the EU is largely a tech startup desert. And London's not even part of the EU anymore.

To repeat for the umpteenth time: shiat you post to Facebook is not your data once you post it to n Facebook. Metadata collected about you is not your data either, it's data about you much in the same way as if I remembered bumping in to you at the porno store. You don't get to interact with people and companies in a public way and then insist that you get to control how they recall you later.

That's the same effed up logic that says that you don't have a right to privacy outside of your house, because hey, you are in a public space.


That's exactly what federal courts have held. Or were you just lamenting that result, not denying it?
 
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