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2022-08-09 5:10:45 PM  
Hey my intel 740 is awesome o.k?
 
2022-08-09 5:22:07 PM  
The drivers for their older iGPU products have been fairly solid.  But it sounds as if their new GPU architecture is different enough that they really couldn't use their older, more mature code base.  That's going to take a while to fix.
 
2022-08-09 5:37:13 PM  
WTF?  Is this some sort of vapor launch for them to add some "forward looking future profits" that will never exist to counter an already dismal quarter.  HINT: AMD passed them in market cap.  Nvidia blew by them years ago.  I think they still have TSMC beat in profit/market cap, but not sure anymore: Covid must have been a bonanza for them.

For farkers not paying attention, Intel "gets serious about graphics" every 5-7 years.  Long enough that forces outside Intel tend to forget how bad the last try was (except for the integrated graphics push.  They more or less took over the market that way.  But any "better than absolute base level" have been a disaster.  The start of the cycle appears to have started in 1997.  And stopped after being non-competitive and a FTC suit against anti-competitive dumping tactics (because Intel).  At the time there were more companies than AMD and Nvidia to simply sue them into oblivion, so Intel picked the other means of "competing".

The previous attempt was Larrabee.  This was an "x86" based GPU.  Yes, that's about how well it worked.  Almost as Sony's alleged initial plan to use Cell as the GPU in the Playstation 3 until putting a real GPU in there to handle the graphics.  Didn't ship, but eventually they did ship some "teeny x86/big AVX" floating point accelerators that went *somewhere*.  Doubt they made a profit.

GPUs need a non-x86 architecture.  And if there's one thing Intel can be counted on to completely fark up, it is a new architecture (no, not those little microadvancements on Sandy Bridge over 10 years that Intel called "architectures", but real instruction set architectures).  Ancient farkers who remember the details of x86 (presumably through assembler programming) will be shocked to know that most Intel designs are far worse (yes, it is possible).  Itanium, i860, APX432, BiiN (billions invested in nothing) are all well backed Intel failures.  Only x86 (currently licensed from AMD in 64 bit form) and i960 ever went anywhere.
 
2022-08-09 5:51:07 PM  

Boomstickz: Hey my intel 740 is awesome o.k?


Its faster than the 3dfx Voodoo, so sure.
 
2022-08-09 5:54:37 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: WTF?  Is this some sort of vapor launch for them to add some "forward looking future profits" that will never exist to counter an already dismal quarter.  HINT: AMD passed them in market cap.  Nvidia blew by them years ago.  I think they still have TSMC beat in profit/market cap, but not sure anymore: Covid must have been a bonanza for them.

For farkers not paying attention, Intel "gets serious about graphics" every 5-7 years.  Long enough that forces outside Intel tend to forget how bad the last try was (except for the integrated graphics push.  They more or less took over the market that way.  But any "better than absolute base level" have been a disaster.  The start of the cycle appears to have started in 1997.  And stopped after being non-competitive and a FTC suit against anti-competitive dumping tactics (because Intel).  At the time there were more companies than AMD and Nvidia to simply sue them into oblivion, so Intel picked the other means of "competing".

The previous attempt was Larrabee.  This was an "x86" based GPU.  Yes, that's about how well it worked.  Almost as Sony's alleged initial plan to use Cell as the GPU in the Playstation 3 until putting a real GPU in there to handle the graphics.  Didn't ship, but eventually they did ship some "teeny x86/big AVX" floating point accelerators that went *somewhere*.  Doubt they made a profit.

GPUs need a non-x86 architecture.  And if there's one thing Intel can be counted on to completely fark up, it is a new architecture (no, not those little microadvancements on Sandy Bridge over 10 years that Intel called "architectures", but real instruction set architectures).  Ancient farkers who remember the details of x86 (presumably through assembler programming) will be shocked to know that most Intel designs are far worse (yes, it is possible).  Itanium, i860, APX432, BiiN (billions invested in nothing) are all well backed Intel failures.  Only x86 (currently licensed from AMD in 64 bit form) and i960 ever went anywhere.


I'm not sure that x86 is the core problem: FDIV is FDIV on any platform.

Plus I also don't think we have any true x86's any more. Remember how CPU's like the K5 used a Risc core and did a x86 decode on the fly.

86 is at least flexible.

I think intel aiming mid range is quite reasonable...

The big variable here is that we don't really know at this stage which direction systems architectures are going to go.

Think of it as the S3 virge/cyrix design problem.
 
2022-08-09 6:09:07 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: WTF?  Is this some sort of vapor launch for them to add some "forward looking future profits" that will never exist to counter an already dismal quarter.  HINT: AMD passed them in market cap.  Nvidia blew by them years ago.  I think they still have TSMC beat in profit/market cap, but not sure anymore: Covid must have been a bonanza for them.

For farkers not paying attention, Intel "gets serious about graphics" every 5-7 years.  Long enough that forces outside Intel tend to forget how bad the last try was (except for the integrated graphics push.  They more or less took over the market that way.  But any "better than absolute base level" have been a disaster.  The start of the cycle appears to have started in 1997.  And stopped after being non-competitive and a FTC suit against anti-competitive dumping tactics (because Intel).  At the time there were more companies than AMD and Nvidia to simply sue them into oblivion, so Intel picked the other means of "competing".

The previous attempt was Larrabee.  This was an "x86" based GPU.  Yes, that's about how well it worked.  Almost as Sony's alleged initial plan to use Cell as the GPU in the Playstation 3 until putting a real GPU in there to handle the graphics.  Didn't ship, but eventually they did ship some "teeny x86/big AVX" floating point accelerators that went *somewhere*.  Doubt they made a profit.

GPUs need a non-x86 architecture.  And if there's one thing Intel can be counted on to completely fark up, it is a new architecture (no, not those little microadvancements on Sandy Bridge over 10 years that Intel called "architectures", but real instruction set architectures).  Ancient farkers who remember the details of x86 (presumably through assembler programming) will be shocked to know that most Intel designs are far worse (yes, it is possible).  Itanium, i860, APX432, BiiN (billions invested in nothing) are all well backed Intel failures.  Only x86 (currently licensed from AMD in 64 bit form) and i960 ever went an ...


Sir, this is an Arbys.
 
2022-08-09 6:56:00 PM  
This is new hardware and it's outside Intel's area of expertise, from a company that already has issues with their fab process. I've had wildly inconsistent experiences with Intel drivers for just about everything, so I can't say I'm surprised on any level. I'm pretty sure Intel was hoping to catch the wave of high priced graphics hardware, but the market crashed and now they're releasing products that just can't compete on any level.

If that product line is abandoned, chances are pretty good that it'll go out with a fire sale and eventually it'll be a decent option for whatever *nix systems get access to open source drivers.

If you have a long memory and were a PC hardware person, Intel also made discrete graphics hardware at the tail end of the 90s. I think it lasted about six months before the project was completely scrapped, as it compared poorly to even modest non-gaming hardware of the time, like the S3 Virge  or ATI Mach64.
 
2022-08-09 7:36:51 PM  

Boomstickz: yet_another_wumpus: WTF?  Is this some sort of vapor launch for them to add some "forward looking future profits" that will never exist to counter an already dismal quarter.  HINT: AMD passed them in market cap.  Nvidia blew by them years ago.  I think they still have TSMC beat in profit/market cap, but not sure anymore: Covid must have been a bonanza for them.

For farkers not paying attention, Intel "gets serious about graphics" every 5-7 years.  Long enough that forces outside Intel tend to forget how bad the last try was (except for the integrated graphics push.  They more or less took over the market that way.  But any "better than absolute base level" have been a disaster.  The start of the cycle appears to have started in 1997.  And stopped after being non-competitive and a FTC suit against anti-competitive dumping tactics (because Intel).  At the time there were more companies than AMD and Nvidia to simply sue them into oblivion, so Intel picked the other means of "competing".

The previous attempt was Larrabee.  This was an "x86" based GPU.  Yes, that's about how well it worked.  Almost as Sony's alleged initial plan to use Cell as the GPU in the Playstation 3 until putting a real GPU in there to handle the graphics.  Didn't ship, but eventually they did ship some "teeny x86/big AVX" floating point accelerators that went *somewhere*.  Doubt they made a profit.

GPUs need a non-x86 architecture.  And if there's one thing Intel can be counted on to completely fark up, it is a new architecture (no, not those little microadvancements on Sandy Bridge over 10 years that Intel called "architectures", but real instruction set architectures).  Ancient farkers who remember the details of x86 (presumably through assembler programming) will be shocked to know that most Intel designs are far worse (yes, it is possible).  Itanium, i860, APX432, BiiN (billions invested in nothing) are all well backed Intel failures.  Only x86 (currently licensed from AMD in 64 bit form) a ...


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2022-08-09 7:48:15 PM  
Did they hired former ATI engineers to write their drivers or something?
 
2022-08-09 7:49:19 PM  
Here's a simple fact: Intel software people suck.
The only way that Intel will catch Nvidia is if the red chinese invade Taiwan.
 
2022-08-09 10:07:01 PM  

Dinjiin: The drivers for their older iGPU products have been fairly solid.  But it sounds as if their new GPU architecture is different enough that they really couldn't use their older, more mature code base.  That's going to take a while to fix.


It's not so much the drivers stability but the software on their new GPU launch has been complete and utter shiat. It's like people only tested if the buttons press and sliders slide without actually checking if they did anything. A real rush job and extremely amateurish.

The hardware and standard driver functions on their new GPUs seem to be absolutely fine.

Honestly if they had just NOT released the software part they wouldn't be getting raked over the coals. The only thing that would have been lost by not releasing the software is frustration.
 
2022-08-09 10:18:31 PM  
Totally irrelevant but it pisses me off I am in Roswell we have lost Utilities for a couple blocks of Marriott in this poor girl is handling a great but I don't see no property managers I don't see no owner I don't see nobody in upper management coming down here to back her up it's like nobody wants to work anymore they just want to sit in their offices and collect their cash and profit off of cheap labor and it farking pisses me off. They need to start of the farking bottom learn how to bus a table we need them in the labor force assholes
 
2022-08-09 10:26:19 PM  
I guess I'm overreacting her manager is backing her up a bit it's nice to see somebody wants to work mods just delete this bullshiat
 
2022-08-09 11:16:56 PM  

dyhchong: The hardware and standard driver functions on their new GPUs seem to be absolutely fine.


That's not what I've been reading.  Performance appears to be very inconsistent from program to program, especially those utilizing older versions of DirectX.  To their credit, Intel has been fixing the issues, but it sounds like they have a long list of fixes pending.

I read something over on Ars to the effect of: these GPUs are good deals if you need a mid-range card for recent DX12 titles.  But if you have many older games, look elsewhere.
 
2022-08-09 11:29:01 PM  

zepillin: Totally irrelevant but it pisses me off I am in Roswell we have lost Utilities for a couple blocks of Marriott in this poor girl is handling a great but I don't see no property managers I don't see no owner I don't see nobody in upper management coming down here to back her up it's like nobody wants to work anymore they just want to sit in their offices and collect their cash and profit off of cheap labor and it farking pisses me off. They need to start of the farking bottom learn how to bus a table we need them in the labor force assholes


O.o
 
2022-08-10 2:37:50 AM  
Just for a follow up I was talking to the tech who's working on the problem and he says back in the day engineers were running the show now it's accountants it's not so much money as it is who's running the show that is the problem with our infrastructure
 
2022-08-10 2:39:39 AM  
And the girls running the show are getting $14 an hour and they're taking benefits out of their checks and the GM sat on his ass in the house all night well these girls did an awesome job nobody wants to work anymore

Wonder where the fark they got that from
 
2022-08-10 3:19:31 AM  

zepillin: <inane drivel>


Cocaine is a Hell of a drug...
 
2022-08-10 3:40:20 AM  
Worst We've Tested: Broken Intel Arc GPU Drivers
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2022-08-10 3:46:42 AM  

Caelistis: zepillin: <inane drivel>

Cocaine is a Hell of a drug...


It's worse, they're snorting dried thermal paste.
/Computer off-gas only keeps you high for so long
 
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